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Post by alarch on Nov 6, 2019 19:17:50 GMT
Whew! Just sprinted off the pitch after 64". No probs - decent game time.
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Post by iot on Nov 6, 2019 19:38:14 GMT
A decent, 6/10 performance. Almost every time he got the ball, he did well with nice touches and good passing. However, he just wasn't involved in the game enough unfortunately - I really hate Juve's formation. They play with absolutely no width at all.
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Post by cadno on Nov 6, 2019 20:10:33 GMT
Maybe the formation works better when Cuardrado is right back and offering more width, he's been very good there I think...
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Post by pendragon on Nov 6, 2019 20:20:10 GMT
Whew! Just sprinted off the pitch after 64". No probs - decent game time. Sshhhh! Don't speak too soon Alarch! 😯 |
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Post by insertname on Nov 6, 2019 21:39:20 GMT
A decent, 6/10 performance. Almost every time he got the ball, he did well with nice touches and good passing. However, he just wasn't involved in the game enough unfortunately - I really hate Juve's formation. They play with absolutely no width at all. Isn’t that the story of most of his career though? Certainly his Welsh career: lots of fancy flicks but lacking in actual substance...although in fairness he has obviously scored a goal and that is usually substance enough in a game. Also doesn’t a lack of width mean he should have been the main conduit of the play? He should have been on the ball a lot if he was at the tip of a diamond surely? |
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Post by iot on Nov 6, 2019 21:59:56 GMT
A decent, 6/10 performance. Almost every time he got the ball, he did well with nice touches and good passing. However, he just wasn't involved in the game enough unfortunately - I really hate Juve's formation. They play with absolutely no width at all. Isn’t that the story of most of his career though? Certainly his Welsh career: lots of fancy flicks but lacking in actual substance...although in fairness he has obviously scored a goal and that is usually substance enough in a game. Also doesn’t a lack of width mean he should have been the main conduit of the play? He should have been on the ball a lot if he was at the tip of a diamond surely? No, I don't think that's the story of his career. From all the criticisms of Ramsey (and there have been lots of them from arsenal and Wales fans at certain points) I've never heard anyone say he isn't involved enough in games. The opposite in fact, even those who don't rate him as highly as they should would begrudgingly admit he never goes into hiding when things aren't going well. He had a quietish game today probably because it was his first start in a month and because of the way the game played out. No other juve player impressed either. It was extremely tight in midfield and most of the juve players occupied the same spaces |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 6, 2019 22:47:53 GMT
A decent, 6/10 performance. Almost every time he got the ball, he did well with nice touches and good passing. However, he just wasn't involved in the game enough unfortunately - I really hate Juve's formation. They play with absolutely no width at all. Their formation works better with Cuadrado at RB and Dybala in for Higuain as they both can provide width. Ronaldo probably should be playing a bit wider as well. They are quite new to that system though and I'm sure they'll improve throughout the season. |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 7, 2019 7:37:39 GMT
A decent, 6/10 performance. Almost every time he got the ball, he did well with nice touches and good passing. However, he just wasn't involved in the game enough unfortunately - I really hate Juve's formation. They play with absolutely no width at all. Isn’t that the story of most of his career though? Certainly his Welsh career: lots of fancy flicks but lacking in actual substance...although in fairness he has obviously scored a goal and that is usually substance enough in a game. Also doesn’t a lack of width mean he should have been the main conduit of the play? He should have been on the ball a lot if he was at the tip of a diamond surely? You champion Bradshaw but slag off Ramsey all the time. As I said before you appear to be a wannabe Adrian Durham. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 10, 2019 16:50:03 GMT
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Post by insertname on Nov 10, 2019 18:25:30 GMT
Isn’t that the story of most of his career though? Certainly his Welsh career: lots of fancy flicks but lacking in actual substance...although in fairness he has obviously scored a goal and that is usually substance enough in a game. Also doesn’t a lack of width mean he should have been the main conduit of the play? He should have been on the ball a lot if he was at the tip of a diamond surely? You champion Bradshaw but slag off Ramsey all the time. As I said before you appear to be a wannabe Adrian Durham. When Bradshaw let’s us down in a Key World Cup qualifier you can bet I’ll change my tune... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 10, 2019 18:51:41 GMT
On the bench tonight vs Milan.
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2019 20:27:20 GMT
I don't think juve fans are happy with sarri. In addition to not playing ramsey, he's also not playing dybala and douglas costa and he's starting the likes of bernardeschi and matuidi who juve fans don't seem to rate.
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Post by manulike on Nov 10, 2019 20:37:03 GMT
I don't think juve fans are happy with sarri. In addition to not playing ramsey, he's also not playing dybala and douglas costa and he's starting the likes of bernardeschi and matuidi who juve fans don't seem to rate. #Sarri.Out.Wenger.In ;+) |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 10, 2019 20:45:56 GMT
I don't think juve fans are happy with sarri. In addition to not playing ramsey, he's also not playing dybala and douglas costa and he's starting the likes of bernardeschi and matuidi who juve fans don't seem to rate. #Sarri.Out.Wenger.In ;+) Yeah that's just what his old bones need, someone who can't "manage" his fitness at all. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 10, 2019 21:08:47 GMT
I don't think juve fans are happy with sarri. In addition to not playing ramsey, he's also not playing dybala and douglas costa and he's starting the likes of bernardeschi and matuidi who juve fans don't seem to rate. Remember I called it. Europa league manager. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 10, 2019 21:18:01 GMT
Not coming on tonight - had three subs already ;-(
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2019 21:18:44 GMT
Fuck sakes, no ramsey tonight. He chose douglas costa and dybala as his two attacking subs - fair enough with rambo not 100% match fit. Then matuidi gets injured - perfect for ramsey where he can play in a slightly deeper midfield role, but sarri brings on Rabiot! He clearly doesn't think ramsey's suitable for that role. He made his juve debut in that no.8 role and scored a goal, but sarri complained about him not understanding his defensive duties, and he hasn't been played there since. Sarri clearly doesn't trust him to play in that deeper role which is extremely frustrating because I think that's where he's most effective.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 10, 2019 21:29:45 GMT
So he should be good for 60 mins in each game hopefully. Cmon Cymru!
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Post by richie on Nov 10, 2019 21:34:04 GMT
We dont trust Ramsey to play deeper either so you can hardly blame Sarri
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 10, 2019 21:38:36 GMT
We dont trust Ramsey to play deeper either so you can hardly blame Sarri True - but if he can play say 60/70 mins in Baku on Saturday in a attacking no 10 then gives us options - I would like to see Matt Smith in the deeper role |
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Post by alarch on Nov 10, 2019 21:40:52 GMT
So he should be good for 60 mins in each game hopefully. Cmon Cymru! That's a very optimistic assessment. |
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Post by richie on Nov 10, 2019 21:48:08 GMT
Interesting to see how Giggs plays this one on both the ramsey and bale fronts. Is an on fire Lawrence better than an undercooked bale, at least for the first 60 mins against Azerbaijan. If Ramsey cant play 90 mins do you brung him on at halftime, tough decisions, glad i dont have to make them!
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Post by hooky on Nov 10, 2019 21:54:17 GMT
How unlucky are we? Juventus buy Ramsey, then change managers and he is out in the cold. Unbelievable. Sarri will keep praising Ramsey to keep the board happy because Ramsey is costing them a fortune in wages.
A work colleague who is a big Chelsea fan is scathing of Sarri - noting him as an extremely rigid manager.
Our two best players, costing a fortune in wages but can't even get on the pitch and this happens just before 2 crucial Welsh qualifiers. Unbelievable!
Wish Juve would fail but they won't because they play in such a crap league!
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 10, 2019 22:15:47 GMT
How unlucky are we? Juventus buy Ramsey, then change managers and he is out in the cold. Unbelievable. Sarri will keep praising Ramsey to keep the board happy because Ramsey is costing them a fortune in wages. A work colleague who is a big Chelsea fan is scathing of Sarri - noting him as an extremely rigid manager. Our two best players, costing a fortune in wages but can't even get on the pitch and this happens just before 2 crucial Welsh qualifiers. Unbelievable! Wish Juve would fail but they won't because they play in such a crap league! I don't think he's out in the cold. I think Sarri is quite keen to play him in the number 10 role - in place of Bernardeschi. They're on record as saying they want to make Ramsey more durable, and I think playing him intermittently during rehabilitation is part of that process. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 10, 2019 22:56:44 GMT
How unlucky are we? Juventus buy Ramsey, then change managers and he is out in the cold. Unbelievable. Sarri will keep praising Ramsey to keep the board happy because Ramsey is costing them a fortune in wages. A work colleague who is a big Chelsea fan is scathing of Sarri - noting him as an extremely rigid manager. Our two best players, costing a fortune in wages but can't even get on the pitch and this happens just before 2 crucial Welsh qualifiers. Unbelievable! Wish Juve would fail but they won't because they play in such a crap league! I don't think he's out in the cold. I think Sarri is quite keen to play him in the number 10 role - in place of Bernardeschi. They're on record as saying they want to make Ramsey more durable, and I think playing him intermittently during rehabilitation is part of that process. 100%. Sarri has built a new system around incorporating Rambo into that no.10 role. |
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2019 23:11:38 GMT
We dont trust Ramsey to play deeper either so you can hardly blame Sarri He struggled against denmark in that deeper position, as he did against austria - there's no denying that. However, it all depends on who he's playing alongside. His best form for arsenal came in that deeper role. If he's part of a midfield 3, like juventus actually play, then he can absolutely play in that deeper role and he's more effective there too than when playing as a 10 |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 10, 2019 23:11:55 GMT
Fuck sakes, no ramsey tonight. He chose douglas costa and dybala as his two attacking subs - fair enough with rambo not 100% match fit. Then matuidi gets injured - perfect for ramsey where he can play in a slightly deeper midfield role, but sarri brings on Rabiot! He clearly doesn't think ramsey's suitable for that role. He made his juve debut in that no.8 role and scored a goal, but sarri complained about him not understanding his defensive duties, and he hasn't been played there since. Sarri clearly doesn't trust him to play in that deeper role which is extremely frustrating because I think that's where he's most effective. Vindication on this is a bittersweet feeling for me. Ramsey was never going to become "the man" at Juve when surrounded by the likes of Rabiot, Matuidi, Pjanic & Can, and he'll struggle to nail down no.10 whilst they've got Dybala, and that's after you factor in his numerous and everlasting fitness issues. It's an uphill battle for him to remain in contention. |
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2019 23:13:40 GMT
So he should be good for 60 mins in each game hopefully. Cmon Cymru! That's a very optimistic assessment. I don't think so, I'd be prepared to put decent money on him getting in at least 120mins in this double header. I can almost guarantee you that giggs won't take him off against azerbaijan unless we're winning |
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2019 23:17:29 GMT
How unlucky are we? Juventus buy Ramsey, then change managers and he is out in the cold. Unbelievable. Sarri will keep praising Ramsey to keep the board happy because Ramsey is costing them a fortune in wages. A work colleague who is a big Chelsea fan is scathing of Sarri - noting him as an extremely rigid manager. Our two best players, costing a fortune in wages but can't even get on the pitch and this happens just before 2 crucial Welsh qualifiers. Unbelievable! Wish Juve would fail but they won't because they play in such a crap league! melodramatic comment. He isn't out in the cold. He's very likely to play a major part this seasons, just needs to get get match sharpness and then go through an injury free period. Sarri will likely do what he did before his latest setback when ramsey was being lauded by fans, pundits and the manager alike. They will slowly give him minutes against lesser sides until they feel he's sharp and then they'll bring him in against the big boys |
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2019 23:22:00 GMT
Fuck sakes, no ramsey tonight. He chose douglas costa and dybala as his two attacking subs - fair enough with rambo not 100% match fit. Then matuidi gets injured - perfect for ramsey where he can play in a slightly deeper midfield role, but sarri brings on Rabiot! He clearly doesn't think ramsey's suitable for that role. He made his juve debut in that no.8 role and scored a goal, but sarri complained about him not understanding his defensive duties, and he hasn't been played there since. Sarri clearly doesn't trust him to play in that deeper role which is extremely frustrating because I think that's where he's most effective. Vindication on this is a bittersweet feeling for me. Ramsey was never going to become "the man" at Juve when surrounded by the likes of Rabiot, Matuidi, Pjanic & Can, and he'll struggle to nail down no.10 whilst they've got Dybala, and that's after you factor in his numerous and everlasting fitness issues. It's an uphill battle for him to remain in contention. oh my word - delusions of grandeur... I'm sorry to say this to you, but you haven't been vindicated. Believe it or not, but Juve, Madrid, Barca and all the other major clubs were after him because he's regarded as a world class midfielder - when fit. They're currently building up his sharpness before he's brought into the bigger games. Let's see where we're at towards the end of the season. |
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