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Post by insertname on Oct 9, 2021 16:06:27 GMT
I still can’t get over how cool his finish was. When it landed at his feet I shouted “SHOOT”, but no, then for his second touch I shouted “SHOOT”, but no he waited until the perfect time. How composed for a player who hasn’t played a lot of football in so long. Pure class. Let’s be perfectly honest, Bale has continued to turn up each camp and is regarded as most as our best player still. But when was the last time Bale dominated a game for us? ROI at home for Giggs first game? He was vital vs Belarus, but don’t think he particularly played well in that game. Every time Ramsey puts a shirt on (unlikely for us not often enough in recent times), he usually is the best player on the pitch. So important for us, well done Rambo. Well there’s the power of a good performance- the past gets rewritten 😂 Ramsey wasn’t in contention to be considered the best player on the pitch for 3 out of our 4 Euros games. The opposition at that level will usually try and keep him quiet. By contrast the Czechs last night didn’t seem to concern themselves with dealing with any of our dangers. Good for us but a bit amateur from them imo. |
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Post by hal on Oct 9, 2021 16:10:57 GMT
I still can’t get over how cool his finish was. When it landed at his feet I shouted “SHOOT”, but no, then for his second touch I shouted “SHOOT”, but no he waited until the perfect time. How composed for a player who hasn’t played a lot of football in so long. Pure class. Let’s be perfectly honest, Bale has continued to turn up each camp and is regarded as most as our best player still. But when was the last time Bale dominated a game for us? ROI at home for Giggs first game? He was vital vs Belarus, but don’t think he particularly played well in that game. Every time Ramsey puts a shirt on (unlikely for us not often enough in recent times), he usually is the best player on the pitch. So important for us, well done Rambo. Well there’s the power of a good performance- the past gets rewritten 😂 Ramsey wasn’t in contention to be considered the best player on the pitch for 3 out of our 4 Euros games. The opposition at that level will usually try and keep him quiet. By contrast the Czechs last night didn’t seem to concern themselves with dealing with any of our dangers. Good for us but a bit amateur from them imo. Another Swansea supporter… |
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Post by insertname on Oct 9, 2021 18:01:37 GMT
Well there’s the power of a good performance- the past gets rewritten 😂 Ramsey wasn’t in contention to be considered the best player on the pitch for 3 out of our 4 Euros games. The opposition at that level will usually try and keep him quiet. By contrast the Czechs last night didn’t seem to concern themselves with dealing with any of our dangers. Good for us but a bit amateur from them imo. Another Swansea supporter… If that’s how you want to play it then fine, I was hoping you would at least try and convince me that Ramsey was better than Embolo for the Swiss, or better than Dolberg for the Danes, or Chiesa for the Italians. You know, actually back up your assertion that Ramsey is usually the best player on the pitch in internationals with some evidence. I mean I know it must seem like I’m being anti-Welsh or some such bollocks but being objective, it’s just not true is it and judging by your response it seems you know you’ve indulged in some hyperbole off the back of a good performance too. And to pre-empt the inevitable accusations of being “the fun police” this isn’t just frivolous negativity there is a serious point which is that, as per the above evidence Ramsey is not consistent in a Wales shirt. His performances, undoubtedly, are symptomatic of the teams too- if Wales are playing well then he is more likely to be more influential but trying to create a narrative that he is always a stand out player is wrong and as our recent Euros performance showed at group stage level in a tournament it’s a lot harder for him to be impactful than in a qualifier against Hungary or a Czech side that had a kamikaze approach to doing their own due diligence on our strengths. And this isn’t just me picking on Ramsey either, Bale was equally as disappointing at the Euros, in fact all our star names failed to turn up really apart from against Turkey. We shouldn’t turn a blind eye to this. |
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Post by hal on Oct 10, 2021 8:51:20 GMT
Another Swansea supporter… If that’s how you want to play it then fine, I was hoping you would at least try and convince me that Ramsey was better than Embolo for the Swiss, or better than Dolberg for the Danes, or Chiesa for the Italians. You know, actually back up your assertion that Ramsey is usually the best player on the pitch in internationals with some evidence. I mean I know it must seem like I’m being anti-Welsh or some such bollocks but being objective, it’s just not true is it and judging by your response it seems you know you’ve indulged in some hyperbole off the back of a good performance too. And to pre-empt the inevitable accusations of being “the fun police” this isn’t just frivolous negativity there is a serious point which is that, as per the above evidence Ramsey is not consistent in a Wales shirt. His performances, undoubtedly, are symptomatic of the teams too- if Wales are playing well then he is more likely to be more influential but trying to create a narrative that he is always a stand out player is wrong and as our recent Euros performance showed at group stage level in a tournament it’s a lot harder for him to be impactful than in a qualifier against Hungary or a Czech side that had a kamikaze approach to doing their own due diligence on our strengths. And this isn’t just me picking on Ramsey either, Bale was equally as disappointing at the Euros, in fact all our star names failed to turn up really apart from against Turkey. We shouldn’t turn a blind eye to this. Cheer up mate. |
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Post by iot on Oct 10, 2021 9:41:21 GMT
Another Swansea supporter… If that’s how you want to play it then fine, I was hoping you would at least try and convince me that Ramsey was better than Embolo for the Swiss, or better than Dolberg for the Danes, or Chiesa for the Italians. You know, actually back up your assertion that Ramsey is usually the best player on the pitch in internationals with some evidence. I mean I know it must seem like I’m being anti-Welsh or some such bollocks but being objective, it’s just not true is it and judging by your response it seems you know you’ve indulged in some hyperbole off the back of a good performance too. And to pre-empt the inevitable accusations of being “the fun police” this isn’t just frivolous negativity there is a serious point which is that, as per the above evidence Ramsey is not consistent in a Wales shirt. His performances, undoubtedly, are symptomatic of the teams too- if Wales are playing well then he is more likely to be more influential but trying to create a narrative that he is always a stand out player is wrong and as our recent Euros performance showed at group stage level in a tournament it’s a lot harder for him to be impactful than in a qualifier against Hungary or a Czech side that had a kamikaze approach to doing their own due diligence on our strengths. And this isn’t just me picking on Ramsey either, Bale was equally as disappointing at the Euros, in fact all our star names failed to turn up really apart from against Turkey. We shouldn’t turn a blind eye to this. Hang on, I think that's completely downplaying what he's done for us recently. No, he hasn't been the best player on the pitch every time - it would be ridiculous to expect that of any player, but he has been the best player on the pitch in a significant proportion of his appearances. If we look at the period from the last euros campaign, he's had 8 starts (4 at the euros, 1 euros qualifier, 1 WC qualifier, 1 friendly and 1 nations league game). Of those games, he's scored four goals and personally I would say he's been motm in 3 of them. You'd struggle to find any player equaling that type of return. Yes he was quiet in a few of the other games, but if I think back to the games against Italy and Denmark for example, it's difficult to see what Ramsey could have done to affect those games. He never got on the ball, neither did Bale apart from a ten min spell against Denmark, neither did Joe Allen or Brooks or Wilson when they came on, or any other player. So how much of that is down to those players, and how much of it is down to the way we had been set up? Simply put, Ramsey is our best midfielder of all time. This is despite experiencing a career-threatening leg break at the age of 19 and chronic muscle injuries ever since. Despite those issues, he is nearing the top ten list in terms of Welsh caps. So I do find it really frustrating when people constantly have a go - some on here have gone as far as to say he should retire and created what I think is absurd arguments around the unfairness of him coming into the side in place of other 'more committed' players. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 11, 2021 13:32:10 GMT
Home to Cardiff? He's from Caerphilly. Now that's some serious nitpicking considering: A. Ramsey came through Cardiff City's academy B. Ramsey grew up a Cardiff City fan C. Caerphilly is just about as close as you can be to Cardiff without being in Cardiff D. All of Cardiff City's players live in the Vale anyway, and Rambo already has a house there. Yeah I wasn't been entirely serious. There's quite a reach to your points though (although I appreciate the nice list format). I bet if you asked Rambo where he's from, he wouldn't say Cardiff. |
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Post by gimli on Oct 11, 2021 15:12:52 GMT
Now that's some serious nitpicking considering: A. Ramsey came through Cardiff City's academy B. Ramsey grew up a Cardiff City fan C. Caerphilly is just about as close as you can be to Cardiff without being in Cardiff D. All of Cardiff City's players live in the Vale anyway, and Rambo already has a house there. Yeah I wasn't been entirely serious. There's quite a reach to your points though (although I appreciate the nice list format). I bet if you asked Rambo where he's from, he wouldn't say Cardiff. I agree, he wouldn't. But I'm sure he'd say his hometown club was Cardiff City. Not that any of this matters. My initial post was very much tongue in cheek. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 12, 2021 7:50:13 GMT
Quiet last night, nowhere near the impact of the Czech game.
Looked like he wanted to drop deeper and dictate play, which isn't the best use of his ability in my opinion.
As with Wilson barely saw him in the second half. Maybe fatigue?
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Post by insertname on Oct 12, 2021 13:37:53 GMT
Quiet last night, nowhere near the impact of the Czech game. Looked like he wanted to drop deeper and dictate play, which isn't the best use of his ability in my opinion. As with Wilson barely saw him in the second half. Maybe fatigue? Without wanting to labour the point, last night backs up what I was saying about inconsistency. For someone of his level you would expect better against Estonia and shows how he can struggle when against our more limited opponents don’t give him the time and space like the Czechs did. That being said he wasn’t anonymous and did still put in some incisive passes on occasion which we didn’t make the most of. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Oct 12, 2021 20:03:52 GMT
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Post by insertname on Oct 12, 2021 20:09:12 GMT
BBC gossip column says he plans to fight for his place at Juventus |
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Post by rico on Oct 20, 2021 20:57:57 GMT
Juventus couldn't score until Rambo was subbed on tonight. The boy is magic.
In all seriousness though, apart from a few touches in the build up to the goal his main contribution was giving Zenit a freekick in the 94th minute on the edge of the Juve box. Juve fans seem to hate him after his comment about Juventus' training methods not suiting him. Time for a move in January - where would suit him?
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Post by llan123 on Oct 20, 2021 22:18:00 GMT
He has a massive contract at Juve, there's next to no chance he leaves in January.
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Post by turkpower on Oct 21, 2021 11:19:10 GMT
He has a massive contract at Juve, there's next to no chance he leaves in January. Newcastle could match it |
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Post by insertname on Oct 21, 2021 11:53:59 GMT
He has a massive contract at Juve, there's next to no chance he leaves in January. Newcastle could match it Problem is they could match a lot of player’s wages, many offering better value and a bigger reputation than Ramsey who hasn’t set the world alight at Juventus and has been injured fairly regularly. Newcastle will be looking to make a number of marquee signings to flex their muscle, it’s not out of the realms of possibility but I’d be really surprised if their show of intent to rival PSG and Man City is to sign Ramsey. Far more likely is that his contract will expire and he will be picked up on a free by a team of more modest means that is trying to steal a champions league spot off of one of the “big 4”. |
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Post by underwood on Oct 21, 2021 12:03:45 GMT
I would be more than happy if both he & Bale just played a series of 20 minute cameos over the next 3 weeks, just enough to maintain fitness, but at the same time avoiding muscle injury.
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Post by iot on Oct 21, 2021 12:39:07 GMT
Problem is they could match a lot of player’s wages, many offering better value and a bigger reputation than Ramsey who hasn’t set the world alight at Juventus and has been injured fairly regularly. Newcastle will be looking to make a number of marquee signings to flex their muscle, it’s not out of the realms of possibility but I’d be really surprised if their show of intent to rival PSG and Man City is to sign Ramsey. Far more likely is that his contract will expire and he will be picked up on a free by a team of more modest means that is trying to steal a champions league spot off of one of the “big 4”. I don't agree. Even if they can offer unlimited cash, most of the star players won't want to commit to a long term project at Newcastle where it will take a good few years to transition from barely surviving in the PL to title challengers. Just look at Man City, they made one big name signing in Robinho when the new owners came in, but that was because he was having issues at Madrid. Other than that, Hughes brought in the likes of Craig Bellamy and Shay Given i.e. very good premier league players but hardly superstars. They gradually got up tyhe table, and with that bigger players became more interested. I imagine it will be similar with Newcastle. They won't sign Neymar, Mbappe, or Haaland in the next window, it will be a good couple of levels down from that |
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Post by insertname on Oct 21, 2021 14:19:16 GMT
Problem is they could match a lot of player’s wages, many offering better value and a bigger reputation than Ramsey who hasn’t set the world alight at Juventus and has been injured fairly regularly. Newcastle will be looking to make a number of marquee signings to flex their muscle, it’s not out of the realms of possibility but I’d be really surprised if their show of intent to rival PSG and Man City is to sign Ramsey. Far more likely is that his contract will expire and he will be picked up on a free by a team of more modest means that is trying to steal a champions league spot off of one of the “big 4”. I don't agree. Even if they can offer unlimited cash, most of the star players won't want to commit to a long term project at Newcastle where it will take a good few years to transition from barely surviving in the PL to title challengers. Just look at Man City, they made one big name signing in Robinho when the new owners came in, but that was because he was having issues at Madrid. Other than that, Hughes brought in the likes of Craig Bellamy and Shay Given i.e. very good premier league players but hardly superstars. They gradually got up tyhe table, and with that bigger players became more interested. I imagine it will be similar with Newcastle. They won't sign Neymar, Mbappe, or Haaland in the next window, it will be a good couple of levels down from that Yeah I think there is a lot of accuracy in that. They certainly won’t find players clamouring to move to the north east until they look like they will actually win something so it will be a very iterative process. My point is about the value for money though- it’s hard to argue, imo, that they could still get better value for money for Ramsey’s wages even with Newcastle currently carrying the status of an unfashionable town trying to inject itself amongst the big boys overnight. The issue with regards to Ramsey is that not only is he one of the worlds top earners, he hasn’t really justified it at Juventus and to compound that he has been injured a lot as well. I’d be very very very surprised if any club were to consider matching his wages. It would only make “sense” if there was an emotional element. Ie Vincent Tan brings him back to Cardiff and writes off the cash as a gift to the people of Cardiff. There is no emotional logic in a move to Newcastle. He isn’t a marketable name to sell shirts by the bucket load to offset costs either, not being English or a player for a high profile National team. So it’s really hard, imo, to see why anyone without an emotional investment or some sort of marketability would offer him a contract that keeps him amongst the world’s best paid players. If he were to take a substantial hair cut on his wages then I could see him potentially moving to Newcastle and them being interested…whether he would play every week if fit I’m not sure as again with their buying power you would imagine they would have a fairly competitive squad even if not one full of the top names. |
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Post by derynglas on Oct 21, 2021 14:23:31 GMT
Personally I would prefer it if none of our players went to Newcastle.
Theres been a lot of discussion on social media about the takeover by
the Saudis. The fact is their chairman is the head of state of the Saudi state
which we all know a bit about the human rights abuses and involvement in the
situation in Yemen.It may be similar to the situation with Man City and the UAE
but this is another level IMO.
The other clubs seem far from happy with the decision of the EPL to allow this.
Its a new low in investment in football and some think it could damage the brand.
I suppose this isnt the place to discuss the ins and outs of all this.
From our perspective my hunch is Ramsay wont want to be involved in this project,
and he certainly doesnt need the money.
I dont think any of our players will be seen as good enough by the new regime
or they may be put off by their injury records.
In pure footballing terms I dont think it would be a good move for any of them to
go there as they wont be given much of a chance to play in the long term.
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Post by cynonvalley on Oct 24, 2021 20:40:59 GMT
Played 12 minutes since the international break.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 25, 2021 7:51:48 GMT
Played 12 minutes since the international break. happy with that - keep him fit! |
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Post by cadno on Oct 27, 2021 18:34:58 GMT
On the bench again and didn't come on.
Juve lost :-)
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Post by insertname on Oct 27, 2021 21:10:03 GMT
On the bench again and didn't come on. Juve lost :-) Being slightly mischievous one starts to wonder if it’s coincidence that his redundancy under Allegri is why he was able to play for Wales in the last double header 🤔 Certainly seems like he’s surplus to requirements as this season wears on…. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 2, 2021 21:42:28 GMT
Not on the bench tonight for their game against Zenit.
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Post by dai on Nov 2, 2021 21:52:16 GMT
He's being pushed out by the looks of it. Think it spoke volumes when he turned up for us last month despite being declared 'injured' in the lead up.
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 2, 2021 21:59:18 GMT
Would West Ham take a punt on him I wonder.
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Post by iot on Nov 2, 2021 21:59:21 GMT
No, he actually pulled himself out of the squad for their last couple of games, complaining about muscle fatigue again: 'Ramsey played a starring role in Wales' 2-2 draw with Czech Republic last month while he also helped his side grind out a 1-0 win over Estonia in Tallinn. However, he was omitted from Juventus' matchday squad for their 2-1 defeat to Verona last time out due to what was described by the Italian outfit as muscle fatigue. "He's learning as he's getting into his 30s to manage his body, he can't do what he did in his early 20s," said Page when asked about Ramsey. "He's identified that there was quite a bit of muscle fatigue and he took himself out of it which is sensible. www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gareth-bale-aaron-ramsey-included-22029524Clearly saving himself for us, what a legend. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 6, 2021 16:11:43 GMT
Back in the Juve squad. Hopefully he keeps that bench lovely and warm all game.
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Post by cynonvalley on Nov 8, 2021 21:39:14 GMT
Will be out of there soon if Juve get their way.
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 9, 2021 13:51:18 GMT
Looking to terminate his contract come January. Wonder if Moyes fancies a punt in the Jan window 😁
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