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Post by turkpower on Jan 21, 2022 9:23:13 GMT
In talks with Palace
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 21, 2022 11:25:26 GMT
Palace have pulled out of talks apparently. Shame. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jan 21, 2022 11:27:49 GMT
Palace have pulled out of talks apparently. Shame. Patrick: How much do you want a week? Aaron: £400k .............. Aaron: Patrick? Are you still there? Hello? Can you hear me? |
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Post by gimli on Jan 21, 2022 12:12:14 GMT
Heard a rumour that he'd turned down a move to Sevilla? Hope that's not true because that would have been a great move.
I can definitely understand why he's not keen on any of the PL teams after him though. Who'd want to leave Turin for Burnley or Wolverhampton? Unfortunately I don't think he's going to get many better offers. Crystal Palace would have been OK I suppose. I'm still holding out hope that he gets a loan to another Serie A or La Liga team though. Preferably a Serie A team so he can show Juve what they've been missing by refusing to play him.
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Post by insertname on Jan 21, 2022 12:52:00 GMT
It’s starting to sound like he won’t give up the wage. Kind of serves Juve right in a way, the player is entitled to hold these clubs to their ridiculous contracts and make them repent at leisure….but it probably won’t do his reputation any good for any club that wants him in the future if he’s turning down clubs left and right centre in order to stay at a club where he’s been frozen out. Sevilla are in the hunt for the la liga title too, he’s mental if he’s turned down an opportunity like that.
Ah well, at least he can’t get injured staying where he is.
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Post by cynonvalley on Jan 21, 2022 15:59:58 GMT
Heard a rumour that he'd turned down a move to Sevilla? Hope that's not true because that would have been a great move. I can definitely understand why he's not keen on any of the PL teams after him though. Who'd want to leave Turin for Burnley or Wolverhampton? Unfortunately I don't think he's going to get many better offers. Crystal Palace would have been OK I suppose. I'm still holding out hope that he gets a loan to another Serie A or La Liga team though. Preferably a Serie A team so he can show Juve what they've been missing by refusing to play him. Turned down a couple of Spanish clubs apparently. Not sure what the other one was. |
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Post by insertname on Jan 21, 2022 16:49:32 GMT
To go with the rumours of all the rejected offers there is an Italian news source claiming that Ramsey’s agent will trouser some sort of 2.8 million loyalty bonus if Ramsey stays at the club (presumably to the end of his contract). If that’s true then it just shows how far removed football is from real world. Agent bonuses for their client not leaving- unreal.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 21, 2022 18:12:23 GMT
To go with the rumours of all the rejected offers there is an Italian news source claiming that Ramsey’s agent will trouser some sort of 2.8 million loyalty bonus if Ramsey stays at the club (presumably to the end of his contract). If that’s true then it just shows how far removed football is from real world. Agent bonuses for their client not leaving- unreal. Agents are parasites, but you've really got to look at the clubs as well for how stupid they are in signing these contracts. There's a lot of anger directed at people like Ramsey and Bale for taking the money they do, but it's not like they're forcing clubs to offer them silly amounts |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jan 21, 2022 18:48:42 GMT
To go with the rumours of all the rejected offers there is an Italian news source claiming that Ramsey’s agent will trouser some sort of 2.8 million loyalty bonus if Ramsey stays at the club (presumably to the end of his contract). If that’s true then it just shows how far removed football is from real world. Agent bonuses for their client not leaving- unreal. Agents are parasites, but you've really got to look at the clubs as well for how stupid they are in signing these contracts. There's a lot of anger directed at people like Ramsey and Bale for taking the money they do, but it's not like they're forcing clubs to offer them silly amounts A lot of people don't understand how a contract of employment works. |
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Post by insertname on Jan 21, 2022 20:09:51 GMT
To go with the rumours of all the rejected offers there is an Italian news source claiming that Ramsey’s agent will trouser some sort of 2.8 million loyalty bonus if Ramsey stays at the club (presumably to the end of his contract). If that’s true then it just shows how far removed football is from real world. Agent bonuses for their client not leaving- unreal. Agents are parasites, but you've really got to look at the clubs as well for how stupid they are in signing these contracts. There's a lot of anger directed at people like Ramsey and Bale for taking the money they do, but it's not like they're forcing clubs to offer them silly amounts Oh I’ve been very critical of Juve since they signed him because of how they’ve contributed to the issue of inflated contracts in football. I said it a few posts above in fact- you can’t blame the player for taking the money and it’s about time these clubs got held to their word for their imprudent financial dealings rather than being able to just freeze the player out so he pisses off early and gets them off the hook. I just find it bizarre that the model seems to be: 1) wait for top player to run contract down 2) get said player on the “cheap” on a free transfer 3) pay the money you saved on the transfer fee direct to the player either through weekly wage or signing on fee or both. It makes absolutely no sense to make a saving on the transfer fee but then pay it to the player. But saying that paying a loyalty bonus to an agent is a completely new one by me. Personally I find it sickening when you think of all the poverty out there and the people who do good, important work for an absolute pittance while millions and millions slip “down the back of the sofa” every time a contract is signed and end up in the pockets of hangers on. It’s depressing and gross but probably a topic for a separate thread! |
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Post by cynonvalley on Jan 22, 2022 14:37:10 GMT
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Post by insertname on Jan 23, 2022 3:49:06 GMT
The latest rumours are that Burnley are back in for Ramsey 😂 this time they are offering a loan til the end of the season so presumably hoping a low key short term deal would suit him, apparently Burnley will be paying very little so Juventus must be footing the bill for his wages. Seems a bit of a shit deal for Juventus because with a year left on his contract he could get injured and Juventus will be lumbered with his wage longer than they want. They would basically just be paying him to play for someone else with very little benefit to them.
The other news is that Ramsey has apparently already turned down Newcastle and was hoping to sign for Palace but Palace apparently haven’t been in touch.
Maybe Burnley are the last team left with an interest and with the window closing he’s having to take the offer in order if he wants to actually play again this season?
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Post by garynysmon on Jan 23, 2022 11:00:38 GMT
Burnley would be a great destination imo. If he's fit he's going to play, so potentially a lot of Premier League minutes between now and March.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 23, 2022 13:26:34 GMT
I don't see Burnley being a favourable destination to Newcastle? Not in the slightest
Newcastle a sleeping giant on the up. Howe is a good manager, they have decent attacking players that could work well with Ramsey
A Burnley move wouldn't excite me as I think they will be going down. I guess if it's a loan that would be fine, but not the best thing to have on your CV if you're a player as good as Ramsey
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Post by insertname on Jan 23, 2022 15:59:07 GMT
I don't see Burnley being a favourable destination to Newcastle? Not in the slightest Newcastle a sleeping giant on the up. Howe is a good manager, they have decent attacking players that could work well with Ramsey A Burnley move wouldn't excite me as I think they will be going down. I guess if it's a loan that would be fine, but not the best thing to have on your CV if you're a player as good as Ramsey If (big IF) those rumours are true then it only seems to make sense if you assume that Newcastle came in early and Ramsey was expecting a higher calibre of suitor. So Newcastle feel snubbed and that door is closed, Palace haven’t picked up the phone and it could be that Burnley have gone from being a bit of a comedy option to now being a serious proposal on the basis of them being his last chance to play football this season. The idea of a loan is probably attractive as it allows him a way out at the end of the season. It then comes down to how much he wants to play football. His place in the Wales team is assured so he’s probably in a fairly comfortable position where he could just opt to stay at Juventus and still walk into the Wales team for the play offs. |
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Post by derynglas on Jan 23, 2022 16:16:55 GMT
With Burnley having just drawn at Arsenal and having 3 games in hand on Newcastle
theyv probably got as good a chance of staying up although Newcastle migh do some
more business in this window.
Burnley wouldnt be a bad move at all long term even if they go down whereas Newcastle
will no doubt spend big either way in the the summer making it more difficult for
Rambo to get game time after that ,off course hes been an elite player all his career still is IMO
but injuries have hampered him greatly.
I dont want him at Newcastle because of the owners as well but thats another story.
Id be quite happy if he stayed at Juve,his inactivity hasnt impacted negatively
on his recent performances for us and may even have helped.
Burnley would be fine i think,it all depends on Rambo and how much he wants to
play and how frustrated he is hardly playing at club level.
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Post by cynonvalley on Jan 23, 2022 16:17:13 GMT
Don't want him to go to Burnley...
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Post by dai on Jan 23, 2022 16:56:35 GMT
I know it's disappointing from a Welsh and player perspective, however is anyone surprised that only teams like Newcastle and Burnley are in? Also, Newcastle wouldn't if it were not for their new found money.
Unfortunately he's had a very poor 2 seasons, blighted by injury. (I don't know how well he's played overall for Juve) Coupled that with age, and it's not surprising at all he's not gathering much interest.
A team like Burnley will have to do unfortunately.
I think if he was English he'd have more options though.
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Post by cadno on Jan 23, 2022 17:31:52 GMT
If he wants to play for a team that keeps a lot of possession Burnley isn't the right club for him, unless they're trying to go in a different direction.
Looks like Newcastle have kept the least possession on average this season 37% then Burnley 39% .
One of his biggest strengths is his running off the ball and into the box, so possession might not be that important I guess, as long as he gets good service. Tbf Dwight McNeill has a class delivery on his left foot, he'd find Rambos runs with a good pass!
Palace makes sense in terms of a football club though. They're London based, Viera(ex arsenal) and Osian Roberts coaching, play tidy football, talented players etc. No idea if they can afford his wages and all that though.
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Post by insertname on Jan 23, 2022 18:50:55 GMT
I know it's disappointing from a Welsh and player perspective, however is anyone surprised that only teams like Newcastle and Burnley are in? Also, Newcastle wouldn't if it were not for their new found money. Unfortunately he's had a very poor 2 seasons, blighted by injury. (I don't know how well he's played overall for Juve) Coupled that with age, and it's not surprising at all he's not gathering much interest. A team like Burnley will have to do unfortunately. I think if he was English he'd have more options though. I’ve got some thoughts on this that links with the discussion on youth players from the Osian thread, I might start a new thread about it. Basically seems to me Welsh players are struggling to be taken seriously at the moment. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 23, 2022 20:39:43 GMT
If he wants to play for a team that keeps a lot of possession Burnley isn't the right club for him, unless they're trying to go in a different direction. Looks like Newcastle have kept the least possession on average this season 37% then Burnley 39% . One of his biggest strengths is his running off the ball and into the box, so possession might not be that important I guess, as long as he gets good service. Tbf Dwight McNeill has a class delivery on his left foot, he'd find Rambos runs with a good pass! Palace makes sense in terms of a football club though. They're London based, Viera(ex arsenal) and Osian Roberts coaching, play tidy football, talented players etc. No idea if they can afford his wages and all that though. Surely if Burnley can then Palace can? |
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Post by cadno on Jan 23, 2022 21:38:02 GMT
If he wants to play for a team that keeps a lot of possession Burnley isn't the right club for him, unless they're trying to go in a different direction. Looks like Newcastle have kept the least possession on average this season 37% then Burnley 39% . One of his biggest strengths is his running off the ball and into the box, so possession might not be that important I guess, as long as he gets good service. Tbf Dwight McNeill has a class delivery on his left foot, he'd find Rambos runs with a good pass! Palace makes sense in terms of a football club though. They're London based, Viera(ex arsenal) and Osian Roberts coaching, play tidy football, talented players etc. No idea if they can afford his wages and all that though. Surely if Burnley can then Palace can? Yes agree, looks like Palace have pulled out ? |
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Post by gimli on Jan 24, 2022 10:47:26 GMT
Villa are apparently favourites to sign him at the moment. Not sure if it's based on anything solid though.
But this would be a great move imo. Not sure exactly where he'd fit into their line up, but that to me is a good thing. We don't really want him starting week in week out, just enough to keep match fit. Being a super sub suits us perfectly. Being managed by one of the best midfielders of his generation can only be a good thing too (not that Rambo really has anything to learn at this stage, but it can't hurt).
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Post by insertname on Jan 24, 2022 12:05:04 GMT
Villa are apparently favourites to sign him at the moment. Not sure if it's based on anything solid though. But this would be a great move imo. Not sure exactly where he'd fit into their line up, but that to me is a good thing. We don't really want him starting week in week out, just enough to keep match fit. Being a super sub suits us perfectly. Being managed by one of the best midfielders of his generation can only be a good thing too (not that Rambo really has anything to learn at this stage, but it can't hurt). Isn’t he the same sort of player as Buendía and Coutinho though? |
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Post by gimli on Jan 24, 2022 13:33:00 GMT
Villa are apparently favourites to sign him at the moment. Not sure if it's based on anything solid though. But this would be a great move imo. Not sure exactly where he'd fit into their line up, but that to me is a good thing. We don't really want him starting week in week out, just enough to keep match fit. Being a super sub suits us perfectly. Being managed by one of the best midfielders of his generation can only be a good thing too (not that Rambo really has anything to learn at this stage, but it can't hurt). Isn’t he the same sort of player as Buendía and Coutinho though? Can't say I watch a lot of Villa, but judging by Flashscore, Buendia and Coutinho play the wide forward roles in a 4-3-3. Rambo's more likely to be in competition with John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey in midfield. Incidentally, if he did join Villa, what would he have on the back of his shirt? The other Aaron Ramsey, amazingly, also shares the same middle name (James) as ours according to Wikipedia, so neither 'Ramsey', 'A. Ramsey' nor 'A.J. Ramsey' works. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 24, 2022 13:38:37 GMT
Isn’t he the same sort of player as Buendía and Coutinho though? Can't say I watch a lot of Villa, but judging by Flashscore, Buendia and Coutinho play the wide forward roles in a 4-3-3. Rambo's more likely to be in competition with John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey in midfield. Incidentally, if he did join Villa, what would he have on the back of his shirt? The other Aaron Ramsey, amazingly, also shares the same middle name (James) as ours according to Wikipedia, so neither 'Ramsey', 'A. Ramsey' nor 'A.J. Ramsey' works. Yes that is a recent development, and would indicate Ramsey would be lined up for one of the number 8 roles that McGinn and Ramsey occupy. If he shared time with those two it would be a good thing for us, but I think he'd play all the big games for sure. Villa are definitely on the up so I like it as a move! Re: the shirt thing - the answer is obvious isn't it? RAMBO |
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Post by manulike on Jan 24, 2022 18:46:11 GMT
#There is only one Ramsey
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Post by insertname on Jan 24, 2022 23:05:54 GMT
Isn’t he the same sort of player as Buendía and Coutinho though? Can't say I watch a lot of Villa, but judging by Flashscore, Buendia and Coutinho play the wide forward roles in a 4-3-3. Rambo's more likely to be in competition with John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey in midfield. Incidentally, if he did join Villa, what would he have on the back of his shirt? The other Aaron Ramsey, amazingly, also shares the same middle name (James) as ours according to Wikipedia, so neither 'Ramsey', 'A. Ramsey' nor 'A.J. Ramsey' works. Ah interesting, I had those two down as attacking midfielder behind the striker types…and I was under the impression the purpose of 2 wide players in a front 3 were to perform a wing forward role but if you’re right then managers obviously seem to be putting all manner of players with no pace in those positions these days! Well hopefully it works out then, it’s obviously a much better move than Burnley for all manner of reasons, I wonder how much he would play but that’s not necessarily a bad thing with his injury record. Some football but not no football is optimum going into March. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jan 26, 2022 10:11:35 GMT
No idea why some are so snobbish about Burnley tbh. A tidy Premier League club doing things the right way.
At the end of the day Ramsey isn't getting any younger and has hardly played in Italy. His options are going to be limited.
If he goes to Newcastle the liklihood is he'll lose his place in 6 months if they stay up and start signing even better and more expensive players. At least somewhere like Burney he'd be loved and become a focal point.
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Post by insertname on Jan 26, 2022 12:32:24 GMT
I see Aston Villa are in advanced talks to sign Bentancur from Juventus according to the BBC. I think somewhere the media have heard “Aston Villa are talking to a Juventus midfielder” and assumed it was Ramsey. Would be unusual for them to take two midfielders at once from the same club. I’m starting to lean towards him still being a Juventus player until at least the summer.
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