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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 12:27:19 GMT
If Inter Milan show interest, and if Manchester United and Arsenal were after him he is a great player whatever people think of him right now, form is temporary
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Post by abwales on Nov 4, 2012 13:37:16 GMT
I stick to my comment. He has been crap. He'll stay at Arsenal for as long as they want him and for some reason they seem to be playing him despite his mediocre performances so I don't see him moving any time soon. Why Wenger picks him over Walcott or Oxlade-Chamberlain on the right is beyond me. He hasn't improved at all since he came back, his best performances since the injury came right at the beginning of his comeback. He hasn't even reached the level he was at before the injury and its been 2 years. He doesn't even look half the player he was before and he was 2 years younger.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 14:46:44 GMT
I stick to my comment. He has been crap. He'll stay at Arsenal for as long as they want him and for some reason they seem to be playing him despite his mediocre performances so I don't see him moving any time soon. Why Wenger picks him over Walcott or Oxlade-Chamberlain on the right is beyond me. He hasn't improved at all since he came back, his best performances since the injury came right at the beginning of his comeback. He hasn't even reached the level he was at before the injury and its been 2 years. He doesn't even look half the player he was before and he was 2 years younger. i think you may be talking bollocks www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0Sy8TA6tA |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Nov 4, 2012 15:13:52 GMT
Good vid
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Post by abwales on Nov 4, 2012 15:14:30 GMT
I stick to my comment. He has been crap. He'll stay at Arsenal for as long as they want him and for some reason they seem to be playing him despite his mediocre performances so I don't see him moving any time soon. Why Wenger picks him over Walcott or Oxlade-Chamberlain on the right is beyond me. He hasn't improved at all since he came back, his best performances since the injury came right at the beginning of his comeback. He hasn't even reached the level he was at before the injury and its been 2 years. He doesn't even look half the player he was before and he was 2 years younger. i think you may be talking bollocks www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0Sy8TA6tAThat game is in the 5% of good performances and by a mile his best performance this season. I think if Walcott or Chamberlain played every game instead of him on the right they would've been overall better than he has been. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 4, 2012 15:52:18 GMT
Chamberlain is well overated!! And Walcott runs round like a headless chicken, Ramsey hasnt been as bad as people make out this season, its true he may not reach the standards we all expected of him before his injury but he will go on to be a fine fine player for whatever club he ends up at and for Wales!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 16:31:18 GMT
People who think Ramsey should go to a 'lower prem or upper championship side' completely underestimate his level of ability. Maybe he's not showing it enough at the moment, but I would put that down to a lack of confidence rather than a lack of ability. He's 21 years old and must have played in 20+ champions league games already. There's probably not many players younger than him with more CL appearances around at the moment. If a top Bundesliga or Serie A club come in for him he should seriously consider it. I don't think anybody doubts his ability, after his injury he played very well against England which proved that its not the injury that has done for him. He had some great moments against Scotland, but just never had an end product to all the turns and runs he went on. He is just woefully out of form and has not performed consistently for a while. That is why he should go and play somewhere with less pressure where he can be the main man-- who this is depends on how highly regarded he is and this is where we all no doubt differ in opinion, some will say he could still walk into a top 4 prem side, my take is that I can see lower order prem sides being interested, but for me playing in a promotion chasing side in the championship would be far easier and a better environment to get his form back than playing in a side that scraps about in the lower reaches of the prem. I am not suggesting he go to such a side, sign a 10 year deal and live out his playing career there. A short term deal that would suit all parties in a successful side and put him the shop window, if he can get back to his best he will be bought by a top club. Of course he could go and play abroad but given how very few British players take that course of action for whatever reason I would be very surprised if that was the route he took, not saying it would be the wrong course of action, just that I can't see it. Wasn't Bale supposed to be playing for Inter Milan by now according to some on here? These moves just don't seem to happen for British players. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 4, 2012 16:49:31 GMT
Bale will be at Man utd, Man City, Barca or Real Madrid in the next 2-3 years IMO
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Post by Tim P on Nov 4, 2012 16:52:40 GMT
Bale leaves the epl this summer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 17:59:58 GMT
Bale leaves the epl this summer. You have been predicting this at the end of the last 3 seasons! ;D I suspect you will get it right eventually, not the end of this season though. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 4, 2012 19:58:56 GMT
That game is in the 5% of good performances and by a mile his best performance this season. I think if Walcott or Chamberlain played every game instead of him on the right they would've been overall better than he has been. You're talking bollocks pal. I reckon Ramsey has probably played in around 95 games since coming back from injury ( 44 for Arsenal last season, about 12 this, about 12 the season before. Around 15 on loan at Forest and Cardiff and around 12 Wales games) which means you think he's only had 4 or 5 good games amongst that lot?? (roughly 5%).... Here are some excellent Ramsey games I can think of, just off the top of my head: For Arsenal vs Man City this season, vs Chelsea and West Brom last season, vs Man Utd the season before, for Wales vs England, Switzerland and Bulgaria, for Cardiff vs Swansea, so that's already around 8% or 9%.... And I didn't look any games up, that was purely from memory. I'll repeat: Arsenal finished 3rd last season and reached the last 16 of the champions league! |
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Post by abwales on Nov 4, 2012 20:40:34 GMT
Sorry for not doing the math. Maybe it's just been 90% he's been shit in then. At the end of the day he has been bloody crap for the vast majority of games. Before the injury, he played really well almost every single game he played, we wouldn't be talking about Bale anywhere near as much as we are now if he didn't get injured, we'd be talking about him moving to Spain. Since his injury his touch has completely gone, he has barely any pace now, his finishing has got shit and its incredibly sad to see. Like Ffwtbol tweeted Saturday, we all used to enjoy watching Ramsey, now we watch through our fingers.
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 4, 2012 21:02:12 GMT
At the end of the day he has been bloody crap for the vast majority of games
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NO, HE HASN'T! How can he have been 'bloody crap' to have been a regular player for a team who finished 3rd in the premier league and reached the last 16 of the champions league? I'll admit that he's been disappointing in a lot of games, but 'bloody crap' is unfair hyperbole. I watched Arsenal vs QPR and Man Utd (last 2 league games) and players with big reputations like Carzola and Podolski were no better than Ramsey. When Walcott came on (with about 40 mins still to go) Arsenal were still utter shite on Saturday.
And yes, I do know what ffwtbol is getting at. But that's why I think he should move. He must be aware that he's become scapegoat number 1 for frustrated gooner wankers, and it's badly affecting his confidence. I'd love to see him at somewhere like Borrisia Dortmund or AC Milan. The problem is that theres so much TV mony in the EPL that he'd probably earn more at Fulham playing in front of 18,000 fans than Dortmund playing in front of 80,000...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2012 21:30:00 GMT
At the end of the day he has been bloody crap for the vast majority of games --------- NO, HE HASN'T! How can he have been 'bloody crap' to have been a regular player for a team who finished 3rd in the premier league and reached the last 16 of the champions league? I'll admit that he's been disappointing in a lot of games, but 'bloody crap' is unfair hyperbole. I watched Arsenal vs QPR and Man Utd (last 2 league games) and players with big reputations like Carzola and Podolski were no better than Ramsey. When Walcott came on (with about 40 mins still to go) Arsenal were still utter shite on Saturday. And yes, I do know what ffwtbol is getting at. But that's why I think he should move. He must be aware that he's become scapegoat number 1 for frustrated gooner wankers, and it's badly affecting his confidence. I'd love to see him at somewhere like Borrisia Dortmund or AC Milan. The problem is that theres so much TV mony in the EPL that he'd probably earn more at Fulham playing in front of 18,000 fans than Dortmund playing in front of 80,000... In all honesty could you see clubs like Milan or Dortmund buying him at this point in time? And lets be fair if it wasn't for players like Cazorla Arsenal wouldn't even have the points that they do have this season, if it was down to Ramsey to carry the team they would be down there with QPR and Southampton thats why the Arsenal fans are on Ramsey's back as opposed to others who have had the occasional off day. The extent of the criticism is harsh as he is blatantly trying and not sitting back and just picking up a wage, but as a supporter its frustrating to see . How often do we do it for Wales giving the likes of Crofts grief? Crofts is a tryer but that doesn't stop us having a pop if hes playing crap does it? Its the same for the Arsenal fans except because its a Welsh player we all get arsey about it when we are no different. Thats the way it goes with football supporters. Everyone has the right to criticise the players and thats only going to increase with the size of the club and fanbase. He needs a new start where he can rebuild his reputation somewhere else, the further away from the spotlight the better where expectations are lower. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 4, 2012 23:29:31 GMT
From Ramsey's wiki page:
On 19 October 2011, he scored a dramatic last minute winner against Olympique Marseille in an important group stage match of the UEFA Champions League. On 23 October 2011, he produced a chipped ball over the Stoke City defence to assist Gervinho for the first goal in a 3–1 win for the Gunners. On 5 November 2011, he aided Arsenal to open the score against West Brom in a Premier League in the Emirates Stadium with an exquisite pass that allowed Theo Walcott to shoot. The ball was then parried by the West Brom goalkeeper Ben Foster and tapped in the back of the net by Robin van Persie. He scored the equaliser on 11 February 2012 in a 2–1 win away to Sunderland.
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Ramsey was a substitute for Arsenal's first four league games but impressed each time he came on. On 15 September he replaced Francis Coquelin before hitting the post in the build up to Arsenal's 5th goal in a 6–1 win. He got his first start of the season on 23 September during the match against title contend rival and the defending champion Manchester City FC, impressing at the right flank role for the whole game. On 3 October Ramsey scored a chip shot with his right foot in a 3–1 win against Olympiakos in a Champions League group stage match.
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so that's at least 10 Arsenal games where he clearly wasn't 'crap'. And I don't think Forest or Cardiff lost a single game he started when he went on loan there. Oh,and I forgot the team GB nonsense, so thats another 5 games, which makes it up to 100. And he quite obviously wasn't 'crap' in 90 of them, so maybe you want to revise that 90% now too?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 0:32:55 GMT
Quoting from a wiki page is like comping together a video of a players best bits for youtube. I think you would be better off putting that post on an Arsenal board and let them critique it- I would be very interested in the responses that you get. Usually there is no smoke without fire when it comes to player performances and whilst it is usually exaggerated I'm not sure that so many Arsenal fans could be that wrong. If his performances for Arsenal are anything like they have been for Wales of late then I have to say I'm not surprised that Arsenal fans are venting their frustration.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 0:47:46 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 5, 2012 10:12:53 GMT
Yes RD, I'm fully aware of what lots of Arsenal fans think of Ramsey. Which is why I'm suggesting he should move. Trendys Liverpool idea is an interesting one. When is Ramsey's Arsenal contract up? |
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Post by abwales on Nov 5, 2012 15:29:19 GMT
He signed a new contract in summer 2010. You'd have to think it was for 4/5 years. It wouldn't surprise me if he signs a new one soon. I'm not sure whether he has to leave to get back to what he was. It was this system he shined in before the injury and although he's playing on the right now, its not like he had a lack of games in the middle to shine. I don't think fan criticism is enough at the moment to affect his quality on the pitch.
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Post by scoop76 on Nov 5, 2012 16:19:35 GMT
Anyone who's on Twitter will know that a percentage of Arsenal fans have been on Ramsey's back for the last 18 months - even during matches when Ramsey has played well. Other players have been given far more leeway.
Wenger played Ramsey out of position again on Saturday - a winger he most definitely is not.
I think another loan spell - to another Premier League club - might do Ramsey good. Or Wenger could try plying him in a more central role again.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2012 18:32:31 GMT
The people who are on his back are the morons who are all over social media and sports pages with comments sections like the BBC and he is going to get that at whatever club he goes to so he needs to develop a thick skin.
The fans on the forums seem to be a bit more knowledgeable and whilst critical, do so in a constructive way (bar the odd moron). The thread I linked to above is a case in point- 19 pages worth and there is a lot of sympathy for Ramsey on there.
It is telling though that their criticism revolves around the same things we see for Wales: wants too much time on the ball, slows the play down at crucial times, tries lots of flicks that don't come off, plays well against teams who sit back but can't cope against teams who play a high line and pressurise. You can't really argue against that as the evidence is there for all to see that its fair criticism.
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 5, 2012 19:21:06 GMT
The people who are on his back are the morons who are all over social media and sports pages with comments sections like the BBC and he is going to get that at whatever club he goes to so he needs to develop a thick skin. The fans on the forums seem to be a bit more knowledgeable and whilst critical, do so in a constructive way (bar the odd moron). The thread I linked to above is a case in point- 19 pages worth and there is a lot of sympathy for Ramsey on there. It is telling though that their criticism revolves around the same things we see for Wales: wants too much time on the ball, slows the play down at crucial times, tries lots of flicks that don't come off, plays well against teams who sit back but can't cope against teams who play a high line and pressurise. You can't really argue against that as the evidence is there for all to see that its fair criticism. You'd have read much worse about Bale on a Spurs message board three years ago... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 19:26:51 GMT
Not in squad against Schalke tonight - walcott starts on right side of front three - apparently has a groin strain. Wilshere starts in the middle.
Let's hope they lose really badly and see what the gooner ramsey haters have to say then.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2012 21:08:20 GMT
Not in squad against Schalke tonight - walcott starts on right side of front three - apparently has a groin strain. Wilshere starts in the middle. Let's hope they lose really badly and see what the gooner ramsey haters have to say then. They have been given more ammunition at the moment! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 9:55:45 GMT
Not in squad against Schalke tonight - walcott starts on right side of front three - apparently has a groin strain. Wilshere starts in the middle. Let's hope they lose really badly and see what the gooner ramsey haters have to say then. They have been given more ammunition at the moment! Looking at the arsenal mania last night made me laugh - it appears the fabled and much anticipated Arteta, Cazorla and Wilshere were absolutely steamrollered last night with Wilshere completely running out of steam halfway through the second half. Anyone see the game? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 10:23:11 GMT
as a postscript to that most of them have Wilshere's cock so far down their mouths I just can't wait for him to fail miserably. Even when he gets sent off against MU no one bats an eyelid.
rambo - get the fuck out of there.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 7, 2012 12:05:28 GMT
as a postscript to that most of them have Wilshere's cock so far down their mouths I just can't wait for him to fail miserably. Even when he gets sent off against MU no one bats an eyelid. rambo - get the fuck out of there. Spot on!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 12:40:15 GMT
as a postscript to that most of them have Wilshere's cock so far down their mouths I just can't wait for him to fail miserably. Even when he gets sent off against MU no one bats an eyelid. rambo - get the fuck out of there. Absolutely. From what I've seen of him while playing and from interviews he seems like an horrible bastard - it was him who said to Ramsey they'd smash us four nil in Wembley last September wasn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 17:16:03 GMT
as a postscript to that most of them have Wilshere's cock so far down their mouths I just can't wait for him to fail miserably. Even when he gets sent off against MU no one bats an eyelid. rambo - get the fuck out of there. If you have a read of that Arsenal forum they gave Wilshere some stick for getting sent off against United- and to say Arteta is 'fabled' in their opinion is wide of the mark too, they think hes only sightly better than Ramsey and plays too many sideways passes! |
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Post by llannerch on Nov 9, 2012 12:25:55 GMT
The way Arsenal fans have treated some of their own players marks them out as a bunch of whingeing, consumerist, arrogant 'fans'
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