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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 13:23:34 GMT
Not so much hate as pity. You clearly have a thing about Ramsey. It's perfectly valid to question his form - but you go too far - to the point of character assassination. Why? I have no idea what your agenda is, but you clearly have a problem, and I suggest you seek help with it. Spot on Alarch. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 13:33:32 GMT
But I agree on his loss of confidence. He needs an environment, whether on loan or permanent, to get back to what he did so well i.e. excellent close control, composed on the ball, great distribution, the ability to deliver a killer pass, and chipping in with the occasional goal. I don't see any reason why all of the above cannot return - as he proved already that he has all this in his locker. His problems at the moment are entirely in his head - he has the ability and fitness for sure. Exactly. It's crying for a Rodgers, Hughton, or Lambert to rescue him. The sort of managers who get the best from players who perhaps have gone through tough times. If not like it's already been mentioned on here, when or if Cardiff get Promotion in May, then a return there would be good and he would reunite with Bellars again he'd be kept on his toes.  |
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Post by abwales on Dec 5, 2012 16:12:16 GMT
If its me your suggesting that has a problem with Ramsey, I don't. I'm just honest. Everything I've posted has been completely true.
How can people complain about Arsenal fans making him the scapegoat for them losing last night? He was abysmal. He slows the ball down, he passes back all the time, he missed the great chance in the first half and then gifted them a goal, he is incredibly frustrating - I can't think of a more frustrating player to watch. He sums up Arsenal at the moment, and that's why the fans look at him and get annoyed. I can't blame them. I wish people would stop kidding themselves.
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Post by SwanseaLad on Dec 5, 2012 16:48:52 GMT
All those wanker Arsenal fans getting on his back must be doing wonders for his confidence.
They don't understand the concept of supporting their team and players.
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Post by flynnfan on Dec 5, 2012 18:56:41 GMT
I think Cardiff should pitch in a bid for him when they get promoted in 6 months time. Could possibly be the best thing for him. It would be interesting to see if he could play alongside Whittingham in the EPL, cos they are now playing in similar positions. They played well in the same midfield before though (FA cup QF vs 'Boro in 2008 springs to mind) |
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Post by powyscardiff on Dec 6, 2012 10:10:25 GMT
He played a bigger part in them losing than most Arsenal players did tonight. I think some of the comments are very harsh, but anyone who says he hasn't been shit are deluded. I've tended not to visit this thread and post because when it comes to Ramsey there are only negative things to say, but here goes - he's crap, when Shawcross snapped his leg its almost like all the talent leaked out. He has no pace, his finishing is abysmal, he has no creativity anymore and his passing is a shambles. He wouldn't even get into the QPR side playing the way he has done, maybe even worse teams. He shouldn't even be starting for Wales. I'd take almost every attacking midfielder over him at the moment. There's always a chance he'll get it back and age is on his side, but I've lost hope. I'm sure I'll get a bit of hate for this post, so I wont return to this thread. First time I've logged in for a while and this thread and this post is a reminder of why I don't. It's embarrassing to read! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 11:03:27 GMT
Aaron Ramsey is a quality, quality player. He's 21 years old, he's had over 80 caps for one of the top Premier League teams, he's captained his country, scored 5 goals in 25 games for Wales, HE'S 21!! Remember at the start of the season when he played RM aginst Manchester City and everyone was bigging him up saying how great he was? some Arsenal fans said it was his best performance for them ever! (clearly they haven't supported Arsenal for that long) - Aaron Ramsey against Scotland was very good I thought, he gave absolutely everything, brought a positive vibe to our side, skinned Fletcher, got through on goal...yes he missed the chip but at least he had the confidence to try it, he did so with Arsenal the week or two before and scored, beauty. I'm not worried about this young talented player at all, he does have a lot of off-games but that will only improve, Aaron Ramsey will be back - and with whoever he will be with in 2-3 years time he'll be a top class midfielder, one of the best. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 11:15:27 GMT
I think Cardiff should pitch in a bid for him when they get promoted in 6 months time. Could possibly be the best thing for him. It would be interesting to see if he could play alongside Whittingham in the EPL, cos they are now playing in similar positions. They played well in the same midfield before though (FA cup QF vs 'Boro in 2008 springs to mind) Soon see. But I hope a transfer or loan away from Arsenal is sorted in January. |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 6, 2012 13:16:46 GMT
Aaron Ramsey is a quality, quality player. He's 21 years old, h e's had over 80 caps for one of the top Premier League teams..... I stopped reading after this bit..... |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 6, 2012 13:17:12 GMT
All those wanker Arsenal fans getting on his back must be doing wonders for his confidence. They don't understand the concept of supporting their team and players. Like 75% of fans then? |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 6, 2012 13:19:59 GMT
Just because the criticism of Ramsey seems harsh doess't mean that he isn't poor from time to time and shouldn't be labelled as such when he is. From the admittedly little of the Olympiakos game I watched he was poor, but so was the rest of team in the second half. The biggest problem was how deep they were defending, thus inviting the opposition onto them. Ramsey was helpless defensively speaking. When he had the ball though he was too loose and seemed to go into his shell and lose confidence in trying attacking balls
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Post by llannerch on Dec 6, 2012 13:23:19 GMT
Aaron Ramsey has admitted he was disappointed to be replaced by Ashley Williams as captain. "Obviously I was disappointed to lose the captaincy, I was very proud to be captain of my country. The new manager came in and tried to keep things the same, but it wasn't working so he felt he wanted to do it his way and change the captain. He's the manager and you just have to accept his decision. It was a great privilege to be captain and I'd love to do it again in the future." - Aaron Ramsey. Hmmm, that's disingenuous of Ramsey. Coleman wanted a change? That was all? Ramsey needs to be more honest with himself. Though maybe he his and it's hardly as if he would say cite his failings publicly. I said it elsewhere, he isn't vocal or articulate enough to be a top captain....yet. The only other quality you want in a captain is to be a regular pick. Well he has that going for him but so do several others. |
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Post by alarch on Dec 6, 2012 15:11:57 GMT
That's why I've championed Allen's cause. He is vocal, confident, and playing in the best position to influence proceedings. And a regular Premier League starter.
He should be made captain at the earliest opportunity - it's a complete no-brainer.
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Post by idiot on Dec 6, 2012 15:50:57 GMT
I see little evidence of a loss of pace. He's never had pace to lose. But I agree on his loss of confidence. He needs an environment, whether on loan or permanent, to get back to what he did so well i.e. excellent close control, composed on the ball, great distribution, the ability to deliver a killer pass, and chipping in with the occasional goal. I don't see any reason why all of the above cannot return - as he proved already that he has all this in his locker. His problems at the moment are entirely in his head - he has the ability and fitness for sure. These Ramsey knocking posts are in the same division as "Gareth Bale has no pace" posts - although it will take some doing to knock the latter off top spot. youre right about the pace,what i should have said was he seems to have lost the burst into the box,arriving on the end of moves,much like rosicky did for arsenals goal on tuesday night,but i think that comes with confidence as he has shown it in glimpses with regards to how many 'caps' he has for arsenal then that isnt and shouldnt be used as a measuring stick,look at someone like titus bramble how many 'caps' has he picked up over the years,he often has me trying to figure out how he's made a career out of football |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 6, 2012 19:43:55 GMT
That's why I've championed Allen's cause. He is vocal, confident, and playing in the best position to influence proceedings. And a regular Premier League starter. He should be made captain at the earliest opportunity - it's a complete no-brainer. He should be in the running for sure. I'm happy with Ash. Different folks, different strokes.... |
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Post by foxmulder on Dec 11, 2012 21:25:24 GMT
Ramsey should leave and go anywhere (except Man Utd). I don't think I've ever seen his confidence so low and he isn't receiving any support.
He hasn't had the best game against Bradford tonight, but Wilshere, Vermalen, Gervinho have had shockers... yet Ramsey is the one trending - once again Piers Morgan leading the witch hunt.
Where is the Ramsey that demolished Scotland? (pre-injury) Where is the Ramsey that demolished England? (post-injury).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 12:12:59 GMT
Front page of telegraph today: 'Arsenal have never been worse under Wenger' accompanied by two pictures - one of wenger next to one of ramsey on his knees. www.telegraph.co.uk/# |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 13:49:23 GMT
Ramsey should leave and go anywhere (except Man Utd). I don't think I've ever seen his confidence so low and he isn't receiving any support. Agreed. Check out the Tweet sent to Ramsey's account [from like fifteen hours back] from this lovely Arsenal supporter. THAT'S the amount of support he's getting. twitter.com/JoshSear |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 16:33:12 GMT
Front page of telegraph today: 'Arsenal have never been worse under Wenger' accompanied by two pictures - one of wenger next to one of ramsey on his knees. www.telegraph.co.uk/#<righteous indignation > How very dare they!! </righteous indignation > |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 13, 2012 13:50:42 GMT
Ramsey should leave and go anywhere (except Man Utd). I don't think I've ever seen his confidence so low and he isn't receiving any support. Why not Man United? |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 13, 2012 15:53:15 GMT
Would be the ideal replacement for Paul Scholes long term IMO
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 13, 2012 16:01:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 17:53:24 GMT
Ramsey should leave and go anywhere (except Man Utd). I don't think I've ever seen his confidence so low and he isn't receiving any support. Why not Man United? Agreed. Taggart would get the best from him. But would he be interested if Ramsey was available again with him turning them down four years back? I'm not that sure he would. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 13, 2012 18:40:27 GMT
Ramsey set to sign a new contract at Arsenal according to talksport!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 18:53:16 GMT
Ramsey set to sign a new contract at Arsenal according to talksport! was that on ' the daily arsenal'? |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 13, 2012 18:55:34 GMT
Yes they mentioned it briefly on there pal not sure how true it is mind
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Post by welshorp on Dec 14, 2012 8:19:33 GMT
I think he will stay there as he wants to prove the arsenal fans wrong. All he needs is a match winner and a couple of good performances and they will move on to someone else
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Post by Tim P on Dec 14, 2012 13:24:00 GMT
One thing I'd be interested to know is exactly what role Wenger has in mind for him; I'd be concerned if Wenger wasn't entirely sure.
Can anyone on here say with absolute certainty what his best role is?
I'd always imagined him as a Hoddle-esque classy midfielder, dictating the play - although from a slightly more forward position than say Joe Allen.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 14, 2012 14:23:10 GMT
I would agree TP he is an advanced playmaker without doubt
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Post by flynnfan on Dec 18, 2012 20:08:11 GMT
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