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Post by flynnfan on Sept 7, 2013 11:08:29 GMT
I actually felt sorry for Ramsey last night. Can't imagine how you could 'get up' for the Serbia game after that. Make him captain in Ashley Williams' absence? He was superb, as was Joniesta. The two big plus points from last night. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 11:14:15 GMT
He was superb, as was Joniesta Speedy recovery to Jonathan Williams who was running midfield until he had to be replaced. |
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 9, 2013 22:22:13 GMT
Ramsey vs Macedonia. Don't think it's his every touch but hey. www.youtube.com/watch?v=srKbmtJifPMThose who were calling for him to be dropped not all that long ago should line up next to the fickle Arsenal fans. Our best central midfielder by far. I think we need to forget ideas of him being a 'deep lying playmaker' however. He's all about box to box, and frankly he's our second most important attacking threat after Bale. |
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Post by abwales on Sept 9, 2013 22:42:30 GMT
I don't regret saying he should be dropped. He didn't deserve a place in the team. He was fucking awful for a long time.
He's gone on longer spells of good form than this too so I can't say I'm confident he's 100% over the injury.
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 9, 2013 22:49:33 GMT
I don't regret saying he should be dropped. He didn't deserve a place in the team. He was fucking awful for a long time. It's true he had a dodgy patch and it would have been right to drop him had we had other great midfielders knocking at the door. It's the same with James Collins right now - there might be some issues with his attitude but given the paucity of options the priority has to be to get him playing again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 22:49:35 GMT
He is quality, has been in top class form since the Scotland away game. What a performance.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 10, 2013 8:26:55 GMT
I don't regret saying he should be dropped. He didn't deserve a place in the team. He was fucking awful for a long time. He's gone on longer spells of good form than this too so I can't say I'm confident he's 100% over the injury. You should not have regrets in my view but credit where credit is due perhaps? His recent performances are indeed the most positive thing about the Welsh team at the moment. |
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Post by alarch on Sept 10, 2013 8:49:02 GMT
There are some on this board (you know who you are!) who went a lot further than suggesting that Ramsey should be dropped. If there's one thing I hate, it's when people write players off altogether. By all means criticise their current form, but at least show a bit of humility and recognise that things can change. If the turnaround in Ramsey's form doesn't prove that beyond doubt to all and sundry then some are beyond redemption.
Bear the above comments in mind when commenting on Joe Allen, who, like Ramsey is a class act. He will undoubtedly come good again, probably sooner rather than later.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 10, 2013 10:15:28 GMT
I'm more worried about Allen than I ever was about Ramsey.
I can't see him getting much of a chance at Liverpool this season and hope that he isn't happy to be a bench warmer.
In saying that he is a class act (not as good as Ramsey IMO) and I'm sure he will come through as well.
We have to remember that Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Williams, Collison, Robson-Kanu, King, Ledley are all still relatively young and open to improvement and those midfield options are what gives me hope for the next 10 years
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Post by Tim P on Sept 10, 2013 10:38:02 GMT
I'm more worried about Allen than I ever was about Ramsey. I can't see him getting much of a chance at Liverpool this season and hope that he isn't happy to be a bench warmer. In saying that he is a class act (not as good as Ramsey IMO) and I'm sure he will come through as well. We have to remember that Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Williams, Collison, Robson-Kanu, King, Ledley are all still relatively young and open to improvement and those midfield options are what gives me hope for the next 10 years As soon as Allen is fit he will be back in liverpool's fist team - Brentan Rogers sees him as integral to his project. |
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Post by alarch on Sept 10, 2013 10:49:12 GMT
I think the truth on Allen is between the two positions stated above. I think he's not quite first choice ahead of Lucas, but he's not far off. Over the course of a season, as long as he's fit he will get significant game time. Ramsey is ahead of Allen right now, but I don't think there's much to choose between them. Ramsey is more versatile, and has goals in him, whereas Allen has more terrier-like qualities and better at the deep-lying role. The really good thing is that I believe they can complement each other very well. I think the deep-lying combo of Allen and Ramsey (the latter being given the greater license to get forward), with Joniesta further ahead is mouth-watering. Shame about Bale!
It's so, so frustrating, we have the talent, we just aren't able to put it on the pitch with any sort of regularity.
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Post by Tim P on Sept 10, 2013 13:21:11 GMT
I think the truth on Allen is between the two positions stated above. I think he's not quite first choice ahead of Lucas, but he's not far off. Over the course of a season, as long as he's fit he will get significant game time. Ramsey is ahead of Allen right now, but I don't think there's much to choose between them. Ramsey is more versatile, and has goals in him, whereas Allen has more terrier-like qualities and better at the deep-lying role. The really good thing is that I believe they can complement each other very well. I think the deep-lying combo of Allen and Ramsey (the latter being given the greater license to get forward), with Joniesta further ahead is mouth-watering. Shame about Bale! It's so, so frustrating, we have the talent, we just aren't able to put it on the pitch with any sort of regularity. My liverpool supporting friend believes that once Allen is fit, the idea is to play him with Lucas and Gerrard, thus freeing up Suarez, Coutinho and Sturridge. Henderson, despite the media hype / re-birth narrative, is still considered by Rogers as a square peg in a round hole. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 14, 2013 15:42:44 GMT
Another two goals for Arsenal this afternoon.
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Post by hookd on Sept 14, 2013 16:09:57 GMT
Another two goals for Arsenal this afternoon. With this guy, Bale and a squad of largely premiership players - Wales should not be bottom of their group. Coleman and his bunch of amateur back-up mates must go. We should not lose back to back matches to Serbia 9-1. Serbia may be decent but our selection/tactics/coaching were responsible for the size of the defeats. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 14, 2013 22:34:20 GMT
I'll probabaly be accused of playing the victim here BUT... I can't believe the lack of MOTD focus on Ramsey following those two superb goals today. Imagine it had been Wilshere?...
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Post by hookd on Sept 14, 2013 23:14:52 GMT
I'll probabaly be accused of playing the victim here BUT... I can't believe the lack of MOTD focus on Ramsey following those two superb goals today. Imagine it had been Wilshere?... Who cares? It was the same with Bale. After he destroyed Maicon, I think even his manager said he still had some way to go to be as good as Ashley Cole! Ramsey will get so consistent with his excellence that he'll eventually be considered amongst the best of British. Unfortunately for England, Wilshire does not seem to have goals in him - and that is a big part of the criteria for any attack midfielder to be considered a great player. We always knew Ramsey had goals in him; it was probably the low confidence from those personal attacks from Arsenal fans that explain his disappointing record post injury. Now he is back - let's enjoy it and who cares what the press say! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2013 0:24:41 GMT
I think Ramsey and Wilshere should just have a fight in the emirates car park, the loser never gets talked about again and the winner gets a double page spread of recognition in a tabloid of their choice every day until they retire.
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Post by abwales on Sept 15, 2013 8:44:55 GMT
Really excited about what he can achieve this season. I criticised him when he was terrible because he was terrible but I also said some silly things. His success will be sweeter now because of all that we and he has gone through with the injury. Most of us rated him higher than Bale when they were younger. Lets see how far he can go!
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Post by welshiron on Sept 16, 2013 9:06:10 GMT
I personally never rated Ramsey as even when he wasn't playing well he was still looking for the ball and not hiding. I did think he may have to leave Arsenal on loan for a while but now he is showing why he is going to be just as important for us as Bale
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Post by dai on Sept 16, 2013 9:35:36 GMT
Been tracking Ramsey's progress since he moved from Cardiff, had an amazing u21's career for Wales. I've always thought he'd turn out to be a class act - even though last year, he shouldn't have started a few games for us! A fantastic turn around for him. The abuse he got from Arsenal fans was sickening though, there were some really nasty sh*t being said on arsenal-mania.com/forum/. Can't stand the Wilshire brown nosing though, of course im going to be biased towards Ramsey, but Wilshire is seriously over rated. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 16, 2013 10:21:40 GMT
Hi Dai, don't agree that Ramsey shouldn't have started given the alternatives, even out of form he is better than who would of replaced him. Also, the fact that he was still getting picked must of helped his confidence when at his lowest ebb. If we had dropped him for a league 1 player/ championship imagine what that would of done to hime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2013 17:23:52 GMT
Personally I think (at that time) Collison was a better alternative and I still stand by that. That game against Scotland Ramsey was terrible- can't excuse it, everything he did let him and us down. Don't see how you can keep someone on who is having that much of a mare just because they might come up with something vital. He wasn't just off form, he was awful.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 8:34:27 GMT
Storm - form is temporary, class is permanent. You slagged him off too much just like the Arsenal brigade did.
The daily mail (!) today says
"It is hard to think of a better central midfielder in Europe than the man who wears the Arsenal No 16 shirt.
Xavi Hernandez, Andres Iniesta, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Andrea Pirlo are up there. So is Ramsey. The kid from Caerphilly is mesmerising. He has even marginalised the £42.5million signing Mesut Ozil, carrying the hopes of this team in the Champions League and in the Barclays Premier League."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 8:50:55 GMT
As an aside to this I don't think the optimists on this board can be accused of over-rating our players. We just seem to over-rate the present manager.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 19, 2013 10:59:22 GMT
Here are some footballers on Ramsey: 'If I go to sleep I will wake up and find him in my place' - Cesc Fabregas “People talk about Arsenal going into the transfer market. But you won’t get a player as good as Ramsey for less than £30million.” - Gary Neville "Aaron Ramsey is the focal point and to build a team round him will be the future of Welsh football. I saw it straight off as soon as he come on in the Cup final really, just his balance and his touch and his confidence of 'give me the ball and I'll make something happen'- Ryan Giggs "He is a one-off, he's a special player. I just thank God he's Welsh, he is out of this world" - Craig Bellamy. Here are the views of a non-footballer: sabotagetimes.com/football/piers-morgan-who-the-f-appointed-you-the-arsenal-fan-mouthpiece |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 12:01:46 GMT
Storm - form is temporary, class is permanent. You slagged him off too much just like the Arsenal brigade did. The daily mail (!) today says "It is hard to think of a better central midfielder in Europe than the man who wears the Arsenal No 16 shirt. Xavi Hernandez, Andres Iniesta, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Andrea Pirlo are up there. So is Ramsey. The kid from Caerphilly is mesmerising. He has even marginalised the £42.5million signing Mesut Ozil, carrying the hopes of this team in the Champions League and in the Barclays Premier League." I don't think I ever questioned his ability, just that you should not play out of form players if you can at all help it. Picking players on form is usually a sound practice and the only exception I can make to that is if you have Lionel Messi, Ronaldo, or Bale available to you and that is obviously because they are that damn good. Ramsey is not in that class...yet. Although should he carry on this form is it too much to contemplate that we could have two of the worlds most expensive players in our side? |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 19, 2013 12:14:11 GMT
Compared to what else we have available he is that class, he will be as important to us over the next 10 yrs as Bale is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 21:26:55 GMT
If he has Allen, Bale, Bellamy around him when Macedonia comes around soon, he can dictate tempo from midfield again.
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