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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 14, 2015 20:53:49 GMT
Me Four! If the second point is true then potentially there will be 2500 non members with tickets? Is this right? Potentially, but in my case as an example I want to guarantee 2 tickets next to each other with both of us on same points so would rather this if possible? |
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Post by ianrush79 on Dec 14, 2015 21:41:17 GMT
The silence from the FAW on this issue is deafening
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 14, 2015 21:59:13 GMT
I got tickets for belgium away so consider i have an excellent chance of tickets, indeed i will be in some shock if this proves not to be the case. The allocations at the 3 stadiums means that, in theory, the 2500 who got tickets for belgium will apply again removing anything from 2500 to 5000. And thats within the allocation. I stand to be corrected on my assumption but can't see what has changed? I was able to buy Belgium tickets from the first day of sales but didn't go. I've had at least 3 consecutive memberships, more than 3 consecutive TTs, done England & Scotland away. Therefore I imagine I am further up the cue than somebody with one membership, one TT & Belgium away? Of course I could be wrong. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 14, 2015 22:07:06 GMT
The silence from the FAW on this issue is deafening We have over a month to edit our applications. I'd rather the FAW take their time and give us clear information on the issue rather than rush into it and confuse everybody. |
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Post by pengedragon on Dec 14, 2015 22:31:55 GMT
Didn't realise you could edit the application, that's why I was waiting. So you can change things once it's in?
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Post by yanto on Dec 14, 2015 22:37:20 GMT
The silence from the FAW on this issue is deafening We have over a month to edit our applications. I'd rather the FAW take their time and give us clear information on the issue rather than rush into it and confuse everybody. Ehem...confuse everybody? Have you been reading these threads....... |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 14, 2015 22:37:57 GMT
I'm under that assumption from what's been said so far.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 14, 2015 22:40:54 GMT
We have over a month to edit our applications. I'd rather the FAW take their time and give us clear information on the issue rather than rush into it and confuse everybody. Ehem...confuse everybody? Have you been reading these threads....... Yeah. I've pretty much got a grasp of everything up to now. The only thing I'd like some clearance on is whether buying 2 tickets will give you less of a chance of getting tickets than buying 1. We have over a month to put our applications in though and I'm pretty sure you can edit them once they are in (don't hold me to that) so have a little patience. Do you think the FAW is holding back information for the lols? |
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 15, 2015 0:58:03 GMT
Partly posted my mistake
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 15, 2015 1:01:07 GMT
Wasn't the reasoning for two per member so that under 18s (who are not able to get credit cards?) could get tickets?
With this in mind, maybe two ticket applications will only be fully successful if the member has bought child tickets previously? If no child ticket but good loyalty, just one?
Does this mean as well that credit card names need to match the name of the UEFA ticket account holder?
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Post by terminallyrhyl on Dec 15, 2015 9:43:12 GMT
Wasn't the reasoning for two per member so that under 18s (who are not able to get credit cards?) could get tickets? With this in mind, maybe two ticket applications will only be fully successful if the member has bought child tickets previously? If no child ticket but good loyalty, just one? Does this mean as well that credit card names need to match the name of the UEFA ticket account holder?
Now that would be a fair system but I don't think the FAW's input will go as far as checking credit card names as not everybody has a credit card so will need to use somebody else's.
In principle though, I think your suggestion re the second ticket being for kids as intended is a good one although following the letter of the law if that second ticket is invalid then both will be rejected - you can't split an application.
My experience of these guest tickets in the past (for finals, etc) is that often the +1 gets dragged along on a holiday and doesn't contribute to the atmosphere, etc.
Would much rather 5000 committed members cheering on the team than potential tourists.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Dec 15, 2015 10:10:41 GMT
Wasn't the reasoning for two per member so that under 18s (who are not able to get credit cards?) could get tickets? With this in mind, maybe two ticket applications will only be fully successful if the member has bought child tickets previously? If no child ticket but good loyalty, just one? Does this mean as well that credit card names need to match the name of the UEFA ticket account holder?
Now that would be a fair system but I don't think the FAW's input will go as far as checking credit card names as not everybody has a credit card so will need to use somebody else's.
In principle though, I think your suggestion re the second ticket being for kids as intended is a good one although following the letter of the law if that second ticket is invalid then both will be rejected - you can't split an application.
My experience of these guest tickets in the past (for finals, etc) is that often the +1 gets dragged along on a holiday and doesn't contribute to the atmosphere, etc.
Would much rather 5000 committed members cheering on the team than potential tourists.
I don't think many people would disagree with you, the important thing is that PEOPLE KNOW THE DEAL WHEN THEY APPLY. At the moment its all guesswork as to whether it is best to apply for two tickets or one which is ludicrous. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 15, 2015 10:40:25 GMT
Now that would be a fair system but I don't think the FAW's input will go as far as checking credit card names as not everybody has a credit card so will need to use somebody else's.
In principle though, I think your suggestion re the second ticket being for kids as intended is a good one although following the letter of the law if that second ticket is invalid then both will be rejected - you can't split an application.
My experience of these guest tickets in the past (for finals, etc) is that often the +1 gets dragged along on a holiday and doesn't contribute to the atmosphere, etc.
Would much rather 5000 committed members cheering on the team than potential tourists.
I don't think many people would disagree with you, the important thing is that PEOPLE KNOW THE DEAL WHEN THEY APPLY. At the moment its all guesswork as to whether it is best to apply for two tickets or one which is ludicrous. Agreed. All I want to know is as 2 gold members with a decent number of points do we apply on one membership number for 2 tickets or 2 singles |
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Post by yanto on Dec 15, 2015 10:44:13 GMT
Just spoken to lucy at faw and the impression i was left with is that its a complete lottery. I would say that the only safe fans will be those who went to bosnia the rest of us are in a big mix particularly as she referred to friendlies also being considered. The second ticket rule is going to seriously fuck alot of us and will be hard to stomach if people give tickets to very occasional followers. Not much loyality there.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Dec 15, 2015 11:15:39 GMT
Just spoken to lucy at faw and the impression i was left with is that its a complete lottery. I would say that the only safe fans will be those who went to bosnia the rest of us are in a big mix particularly as she referred to friendlies also being considered. The second ticket rule is going to seriously fuck alot of us and will be hard to stomach if people give tickets to very occasional followers. Not much loyality there. It does seem pretty ridiculous that for all the talk of 'points' etc over the last couple of years, they do seem to basically make it up as they go along. |
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Post by Gary Williams on Dec 15, 2015 11:17:55 GMT
I Think FYT will be done purely by loyalty as this is fixed amount of tickets that has to work for every stadium and a small ballot if there is a tie in loyalty near end of allocation
As for single tickets this amount varies and i think there will be some loyalty but much larger ballots as each game will have different alllocations in all catogeries and dependant on each stadium
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Post by Gary Williams on Dec 15, 2015 11:24:55 GMT
Also when confirmation emails go out saying you have tickets this is depends on card working and if you didint get you may still get dependent any of the confirmed ones having card issues i think this is the worst unfair clause more than the two tickets
two tickets
firstly most people will either be buying for someone who has loyalty or partner or kids so when people say 2500 people who have never been is unrealistic could be a few but not as many as people think
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Post by toshfan on Dec 15, 2015 11:36:03 GMT
I disagreed with them. I do understand, and share, concerns about the potential of someone getting a second ticket (despite having no points) over someone who does not get a first ticket yet accumulated points, especially away from home.
I responded to the above tweet. I just do not think that people buying tickets and not turning up at games as was common as the concern expressed suggests. There would surely have been more empty seats in Cyprus & Belgium. I was not at the Bosnia game. Were there spare seats there amongst our allocated seats?
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Post by Gary Williams on Dec 15, 2015 11:47:36 GMT
I diagree aswell toshfan
When people say final are neutral and not away are talking rubbish
example chelsea make champions league final at neutral venue who do you think they prioritize amongest they season ticket holders the ones who travel away and the same for wales if they dont as this Conservative suggests then away travel is finished as far as i am concerned as i have attended aways for years including all this campaign and the amsterdam friendly and homes which are away for me like north wales fans as i live in london. As for people buying tickets and not travelling is small and only time i saw this happening this campaign was in israel and it wasnt to benefit for finals it was more to do with bosnia game
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Post by Gary Williams on Dec 15, 2015 11:49:36 GMT
bosnia game actually away was over crowded as they had let people in with tickets for the home end and as for other game there where empty seats in cyprus as we didnt sell all our tickets for it as for belgium didnt see any empty seats
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Post by toshfan on Dec 15, 2015 12:29:58 GMT
Yes, for me 'neutral' is essentially away. And there has been clarity that to follow Wales Away a Gold Membership is required. I do not judge any fellow supporters but I do think that Tory Football are fighting the wrong battle here.
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Post by pengedragon on Dec 15, 2015 12:42:06 GMT
completely agree i'm afraid, if its not a home game its an away game. we have a 6k allocation - that's an away game
i'm far from sure of getting a ticket but i have a membership because i've been away before, and i'll get one for the next campaign because i'll go away again
i have every sympathy for genuine fans but not for those who have never been away before and never will again who somehow now think they are entitled because they went to the home games, that cant be how it works
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Post by Gary Williams on Dec 15, 2015 12:51:15 GMT
I am with others i do have sympathy with fans who have only gone to homes
but the reason we are in this postion is UEFA fear of not selling tickets to unfancied fixtures thats why they sold most tickets before fixtures where even know and limited allocations to just 16 percent
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Post by jamaro on Dec 15, 2015 14:10:59 GMT
I got tickets for belgium away so consider i have an excellent chance of tickets, indeed i will be in some shock if this proves not to be the case. The allocations at the 3 stadiums means that, in theory, the 2500 who got tickets for belgium will apply again removing anything from 2500 to 5000. And thats within the allocation. I stand to be corrected on my assumption but can't see what has changed? Do we know how many applied for Belgium in total? I also got tickets for this game and would love to think I am in the 2500 for the Euro applications. |
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Post by gar2612 on Dec 15, 2015 14:15:26 GMT
When you go to a watch a home game from North Wales it's like an away game as many of the away games take less time to get to Cardiff from North Wales and if you drive back home the same night you don't even get the opportunity to have a few drinks. Most fans go to watch Wales away to support the team - some though go primarily for a holiday. There are always more fans wanting to go away when it's a holiday venue (Cyprus) or a hop across the channel (Belgium). When Wales are not doing as well then there are far less wanting to travel,
I haven't been to an away game for the last 2 campaigns but have not missed a competitive home game since 1976. Should I now be excluded from getting a ticket because I have been unable to attend away games for personal reasons?
I agree it is a Lottery and it would be totally wrong for the Second ticket to be allocated to someone who hasn't been supporting Wales regularly in the past.
If I manage to get a ticket I will be giving the second ticket to my brother who has also supported Wales for every home game for the last 40 years.
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 15, 2015 16:05:46 GMT
completely agree i'm afraid, if its not a home game its an away game. we have a 6k allocation - that's an away game i'm far from sure of getting a ticket but i have a membership because i've been away before, and i'll get one for the next campaign because i'll go away again i have every sympathy for genuine fans but not for those who have never been away before and never will again who somehow now think they are entitled because they went to the home games, that cant be how it works You can't have this attitude, not everybody can go away. This is a tournament & different, I did one away in both 2012 & 2014 campaigns. Does it make me less of a fan than somebody who went to Belgium 2014 away? Your theory then is somebody was a gold member for 2014-16 and ONLY went to Andorra away is more entitled to a ticket than somebody who did Belgium, Israel & Andorra home? Unlikely I know.. but they've been away... |
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Post by pengedragon on Dec 15, 2015 16:21:17 GMT
My theory is anybody who wasn't a member for this campaign shouldn't be jumping up and down shouting about entitlement when the system is in place and has been for a while
I'm really not into all this one fan is better than another crap, hope we all get sorted. I'm more concerned with the likes of the British lions fan demanding tickets from Gullivers that I saw on another thread
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Post by ianrush79 on Dec 15, 2015 16:33:57 GMT
In my mind it should all be based on priority criteria based on points for all home/away games in this campaign. 2 points for an away game and 1 for a home. This leaves a maximum of 15 points for this qualifying campaign.
Tickets then distributed based on this points scale. It goes without saying that the pre-req is that you need to be a gold member. Surely it's the fairest (and should be simplest) way of distributing tickets
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Post by cymroircarn on Dec 15, 2015 16:38:54 GMT
In my mind it should all be based on priority criteria based on points for all home/away games in this campaign. 2 points for an away game and 1 for a home. This leaves a maximum of 15 points for this qualifying campaign. Tickets then distributed based on this points scale. It goes without saying that the pre-req is that you need to be a gold member. Surely it's the fairest (and should be simplest) way of distributing tickets Luckily the FAW do it over a number of campaigns |
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Post by terminallyrhyl on Dec 15, 2015 16:40:01 GMT
I'd just give one point a game, regardless of home or away.
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