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Post by sleepy on May 26, 2016 11:40:40 GMT
I'm not so sure we can't sell at least 40k for Moldova.
If we beat England, and make it to say the QF, then the Wales football team is going to be big news and a big draw. I think it would be very possible to get 40k+, if we keep tickets at £20/£5.
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Post by leggybach on May 26, 2016 11:51:03 GMT
Can't see us hitting 40k for any game due to the days they're on and the perceived quality of opposition in the next group, unfortunately.
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Post by alarch on May 26, 2016 12:20:26 GMT
If we reach the quarters, or go further we will sell out the MS no problem, even allowing for the awkward fixture dates. If we can sell out against Azerbaijan having not qualified for decades then I'm sure we can sell out against Moldova on the back of a successful tournament. I'm surprised that anyone can think otherwise to be honest.
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Post by cymroircarn on May 26, 2016 12:30:09 GMT
If we reach the quarters, or go further we will sell out the MS no problem, even allowing for the awkward fixture dates. If we can sell out against Azerbaijan having not qualified for decades then I'm sure we can sell out against Moldova on the back of a successful tournament. I'm surprised that anyone can think otherwise to be honest. Azerbeijan was on a Saturday, you still had the Millenium stadium effect (only open for 4 years at the time I believe?) and we were on a good run of form. Tickets were also £10 each. The form is back, there are some Saturday dates but most people have been to the stadium now and tickets whilst being reasonably priced are not as cheap as they were. We struggled to get over 20k for NI as a send off for the team. Where are the other 50k going to come from for a similar opposition on a week night? |
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Post by sleepy on May 26, 2016 12:32:33 GMT
If we reach the quarters, or go further we will sell out the MS no problem, even allowing for the awkward fixture dates. If we can sell out against Azerbaijan having not qualified for decades then I'm sure we can sell out against Moldova on the back of a successful tournament. I'm surprised that anyone can think otherwise to be honest. Azerbeijan was on a Saturday, you still had the Millenium stadium effect (only open for 4 years at the time I believe?) and we were on a good run of form. Tickets were also £10 each. The form is back, there are some Saturday dates but most people have been to the stadium now and tickets whilst being reasonably priced are not as cheap as they were. We struggled to get over 20k for NI as a send off for the team. Where are the other 50k going to come from for a similar opposition on a week night? If we do well at the Euros, I don't think we'll have a problem selling 40k+ for anyone on any night of the week. |
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Post by alarch on May 26, 2016 12:41:57 GMT
It's worth remembering that the Moldova game is on Monday the 5th of September. I guess this is the first day back at school for many kids. I can see kids being given leeway to attend this match which they would not otherwise.
20K for a friendly against unexciting opposition, featuring a much weakened, Bale-less team, was quite a good showing, so I don't see that as much of an argument.
But the big factor here is us doing well in the Euros. If we do well we will be big time and no mistake - in the same way the support for ROI was transformed by their tournament exploits.
I almost get the feeling that some on here have a sneaky desire for us to do badly in the Euros so that we end up staying at the CCS. Just saying...
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Post by manulike on May 26, 2016 12:49:00 GMT
Monday, September 5: (h) v Moldova
Thursday, October 6: (a) v Austria
Sunday, October 9: (h) v Georgia
Saturday, November 12: (h) v Serbia 2017
Friday, March 24: (a) v Republic of Ireland
Sunday, June 11: (a) v Serbia
Saturday, September 2: (h) v Austria
Tuesday, September 5: (a) v Moldova
Friday, October 6: (a) v Georgia
Monday, October 9: (h) v Republic of Ireland
Can imagine a Monday night v. Moldova struggling to get 20k, even if we win the Euros...
A Sunday v. Georgia - maybe filling the CCS.
The only real possibility of us getting a 40k crowd is the Austria game on a Saturday. Maybe even filling the egg after beating Ireland and Serbia away ;-)
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Post by cymroircarn on May 26, 2016 13:07:31 GMT
It's worth remembering that the Moldova game is on Monday the 5th of September. I guess this is the first day back at school for many kids. I can see kids being given leeway to attend this match which they would not otherwise. 20K for a friendly against unexciting opposition, featuring a much weakened, Bale-less team, was quite a good showing, so I don't see that as much of an argument. But the big factor here is us doing well in the Euros. If we do well we will be big time and no mistake - in the same way the support for ROI was transformed by their tournament exploits. I almost get the feeling that some on here have a sneaky desire for us to do badly in the Euros so that we end up staying at the CCS. Just saying... No one has suggested that at all! A number of us have bad memories from the Millenium. We have a built a good rapport with the players in the CCS. More importantly the players and Coleman prefer to play there. The pitch at the Millenium is also questionable. Why do you wish to go against the wishes of the team and move back to the Millenium? |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 26, 2016 13:11:43 GMT
The FAW should have a good idea by the number of members.
Whilst the Millenium should be an option, it should only really be considered when we have outgrown the CCS
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Post by manulike on May 26, 2016 13:13:06 GMT
Personally, I always thought that £20 tickets of choice in the CCS are amazing value and i always promoted this to my colleagues and mates, who often tagged along for the 'experience'.
I would much prefer to pay £30 and stay in CCS, than move to the egg and pay silly money and be in an almost empty stadium ... And I live and work less than 10 minutes walk away from the egg...
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Post by alarch on May 26, 2016 13:23:28 GMT
No one has suggested that at all! A number of us have bad memories from the Millenium. We have a built a good rapport with the players in the CCS. More importantly the players and Coleman prefer to play there. The pitch at the Millenium is also questionable. Why do you wish to go against the wishes of the team and move back to the Millenium? Of course I'm being a tad provocative here. I don't mind going against received wisdom - especially when it flies in the face of the evidence. "A number of us have bad memories from the Millenium" includes myself - and I'm as against going back to playing in a half-empty stadium as anyone. What I am in favour of is playing in full stadia, whether that be the CCS, the MS or Park Avenue. It just seems to me that some people on here are so emotional about this that reason plays no part in their thinking. I mean seriously - if anyone thinks we will struggle to get 20K against Moldova on the back of a successful tournament they should make an appointment with the nearest shrink pronto. And that tired old pitch argument. You do realise that the Champions League xxxxing final is going to be played on that pitch? I can understand that people are distrustful of a return to the MS (notwithstanding the fantastic experience of the Italy match), but lets keep this real. |
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Post by toshfan on May 26, 2016 13:23:34 GMT
#NoreturntoMillennium #NomovetoPrincipality
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Post by cymroircarn on May 26, 2016 13:38:04 GMT
No one has suggested that at all! A number of us have bad memories from the Millenium. We have a built a good rapport with the players in the CCS. More importantly the players and Coleman prefer to play there. The pitch at the Millenium is also questionable. Why do you wish to go against the wishes of the team and move back to the Millenium? Of course I'm being a tad provocative here. I don't mind going against received wisdom - especially when it flies in the face of the evidence. "A number of us have bad memories from the Millenium" includes myself - and I'm as against going back to playing in a half-empty stadium as anyone. What I am in favour of is playing in full stadia, whether that be the CCS, the MS or Park Avenue. It just seems to me that some people on here are so emotional about this that reason plays no part in their thinking. I mean seriously - if anyone thinks we will struggle to get 20K against Moldova on the back of a successful tournament they should make an appointment with the nearest shrink pronto. And that tired old pitch argument. You do realise that the Champions League xxxxing final is going to be played on that pitch? I can understand that people are distrustful of a return to the MS (notwithstanding the fantastic experience of the Italy match), but lets keep this real. We are keeping it real. You are basing your argument on ifs, buts and maybes. I have already stated it should be considered, but only when we outgrow the CCS. I would rather 34k in a full CCS than 35k in the Millenium Hopefully Swansea and/or Cardiff will progress so they can develop their stadiums to 40k+ The jump from 34k to 74k is huge |
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Post by umcb14 on May 26, 2016 14:07:12 GMT
Monday, September 5: (h) v Moldova Thursday, October 6: (a) v Austria Sunday, October 9: (h) v Georgia Saturday, November 12: (h) v Serbia 2017 Friday, March 24: (a) v Republic of Ireland Sunday, June 11: (a) v Serbia Saturday, September 2: (h) v Austria Tuesday, September 5: (a) v Moldova Friday, October 6: (a) v Georgia Monday, October 9: (h) v Republic of Ireland Can imagine a Monday night v. Moldova struggling to get 20k, even if we win the Euros...A Sunday v. Georgia - maybe filling the CCS. The only real possibility of us getting a 40k crowd is the Austria game on a Saturday. Maybe even filling the egg after beating Ireland and Serbia away ;-) I've seen some statements in my time but that tops the lot. Yes we've done well in the CCS and it has been a special atmosphere there, but what if the demand calls for a move back? I've seen 'legacy' being mentioned quite a lot but how is that going to be possible if we stop people from seeing the games, and doing that because we've become used to the CCS and apparently professional football players can't cope with playing in a different stadium, and not a different one which is smaller and worse, but in fact one of the biggest in European football? If the demand isn't there, then of course there's no reason to move, but why not wait until after the Euros to make a decision? That seems logical to me, but then logic has clearly gone out of the window here. |
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Post by manulike on May 26, 2016 14:18:17 GMT
I agree with you fully, umcb14 and also accept the harsh critic from alarch If we can get 40k people into the egg for even half of our games, I am all for those added 4k of fans being able to get in! |
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Post by toshfan on May 26, 2016 14:42:22 GMT
but what if the demand calls for a move back? I've seen 'legacy' being mentioned quite a lot but how is that going to be possible if we stop people from seeing the games, and doing that because we've become used to the CCS and apparently professional football players can't cope with playing in a different stadium, and not a different one which is smaller and worse, but in fact one of the biggest in European football? If the demand isn't there, then of course there's no reason to move, but why not wait until after the Euros to make a decision? That seems logical to me, but then logic has clearly gone out of the window here. I have always conceded that the weakness of remaining at the CCS is for when demand exceeds supply. One fan, especially a young fan, missing out on games such as the 1-0 against Belgium is one too many. But this factor is outweighed by so many others. From a football point of view, a move would be a disaster. Some of these were considered here: apostlewelshfootie.proboards.com/thread/3745/home-friendly-argentina-millennium |
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Post by alarch on May 26, 2016 16:05:25 GMT
We are keeping it real. You are basing your argument on ifs, buts and maybes. I have already stated it should be considered, but only when we outgrow the CCS. I would rather 34k in a full CCS than 35k in the Millenium Hopefully Swansea and/or Cardiff will progress so they can develop their stadiums to 40k+ The jump from 34k to 74k is huge I too would rather 34K in a full CCS than 35K in the Millennium. In fact, I'd rather 34K in a full CCS than 55K in the Millennium. The question here is at what point do we "outgrow" the CCS? The judgement would certainly need to be evidence-based rather than based on conjecture. One way perhaps would be to clarify that post-Euros that members would be given priority with regard to tickets in the new campaign. If this led to a big surge in membership, following success at the Euros, that would be a pretty surefire sign that the interest was there to justify a switch to the MS for the Moldova match at least. I believe that, in so far as it's possible within UEFA rules, we should make the decision as to where to play games on a game by game basis. As for the views of the players and management team - they clearly would and should carry a lot of weight. However, it would need to be clarified what, if any, objections they would have to playing at the MS. If it was just a concern about playing in an empty stadium then that issue could and should be addressed prior to a move. If it was just a matter of superstition I'm afraid that just doesn't stack up as a valid reason for denying the FAW the resources that would come with a full stadium at the Millennium, nor the denied opportunity to tens of thousands to follow their country. |
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Post by cadno on May 26, 2016 19:22:21 GMT
Watched Wales vs Belgium 1993 on S4C last night, it was at the old Arms park - Crap atmosphere!
The egg stadium is unsustainable and has a rubbish atmosphere compared to the CCS.
The pitch looks like it's improved though..
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Post by cymroircarn on May 26, 2016 21:48:36 GMT
We are keeping it real. You are basing your argument on ifs, buts and maybes. I have already stated it should be considered, but only when we outgrow the CCS. I would rather 34k in a full CCS than 35k in the Millenium Hopefully Swansea and/or Cardiff will progress so they can develop their stadiums to 40k+ The jump from 34k to 74k is huge I too would rather 34K in a full CCS than 35K in the Millennium. In fact, I'd rather 34K in a full CCS than 55K in the Millennium. The question here is at what point do we "outgrow" the CCS? The judgement would certainly need to be evidence-based rather than based on conjecture. One way perhaps would be to clarify that post-Euros that members would be given priority with regard to tickets in the new campaign. If this led to a big surge in membership, following success at the Euros, that would be a pretty surefire sign that the interest was there to justify a switch to the MS for the Moldova match at least. I believe that, in so far as it's possible within UEFA rules, we should make the decision as to where to play games on a game by game basis. As for the views of the players and management team - they clearly would and should carry a lot of weight. However, it would need to be clarified what, if any, objections they would have to playing at the MS. If it was just a concern about playing in an empty stadium then that issue could and should be addressed prior to a move. If it was just a matter of superstition I'm afraid that just doesn't stack up as a valid reason for denying the FAW the resources that would come with a full stadium at the Millennium, nor the denied opportunity to tens of thousands to follow their country. Haven't you more or less repeated what I said? |
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Post by marsvolta on May 27, 2016 11:33:02 GMT
Watched Wales vs Belgium 1993 on S4C last night, it was at the old Arms park - Crap atmosphere! The egg stadium is unsustainable and has a rubbish atmosphere compared to the CCS. The pitch looks like it's improved though.. I was at that game, wasn't a crap atmosphere at all. Maybe it didn't sound good on s4c the other night but it was definately a good atmos on the night. |
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Post by jbt95 on May 27, 2016 11:40:26 GMT
We can not use the MS/PS in November, not worth going there anyway.
There is no reason why we can't sell out all our games at the CCS provided we do well and are in with a shout right until the end of the WCQ campaign.
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Post by toshfan on May 27, 2016 11:42:20 GMT
Watched Wales vs Belgium 1993 on S4C last night, it was at the old Arms park - Crap atmosphere! The egg stadium is unsustainable and has a rubbish atmosphere compared to the CCS. The pitch looks like it's improved though.. I was at that game, wasn't a crap atmosphere at all. Maybe it didn't sound good on s4c the other night but it was definately a good atmos on the night. Surely not as special as the 1-0 at the CCS though? |
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Post by marsvolta on May 27, 2016 12:20:55 GMT
I was at that game, wasn't a crap atmosphere at all. Maybe it didn't sound good on s4c the other night but it was definately a good atmos on the night. Surely not as special as the 1-0 at the CCS though? Ah no. Ha ha. Tho I bet that the TV didn't portray that as well as being there either |
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Post by bdintokyo on May 27, 2016 13:38:09 GMT
I was at that game, wasn't a crap atmosphere at all. Maybe it didn't sound good on s4c the other night but it was definately a good atmos on the night. Surely not as special as the 1-0 at the CCS though? I know you're being flippant, but an unfair comparison. Belgium 93 were decent but not brilliant, unlike the Belgium of 2015; and the 93 game didn't put us in touching distance of the finals. It was a cracking atmosphere If you were there, however, as most Arms Park nights were in the Yorath years. Remember that the football capacity was around 38,000, not much larger than CCS, so it always felt as if everyone there really gave a damn. The problem with the Millennium (as opposed to the Arms Park), was that it became full with daytrippers. Of course the hope would be that those daytrippers would become regulars, and I appreciate the argument that we should develop legacy by letting as many people as possible see games, but my fear would be that we'd end up with those sterile atmospheres of the post Euro 2004 hangover period. Personally I'd like to see a glamour friendly or two at the Millennium, but keep qualifiers at CCS for the time being. |
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Post by Tim P on May 27, 2016 15:00:51 GMT
I agree with you fully, umcb14 and also accept the harsh critic from alarch If we can get 40k people into the egg for even half of our games, I am all for those added 4k of fans being able to get in! Really? At the expense of the atmosphere, the players' wishes, the management's wishes, and possibly the results? What happens if we lose a couple of games and go back down to 20,000? Honestly, this stadium issue is almost dead in the water now. People will always bring it up in the media because it's an easy 1000 word article to generate a bit of traffic, that's it. |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 27, 2016 18:18:44 GMT
I agree with you fully, umcb14 and also accept the harsh critic from alarch If we can get 40k people into the egg for even half of our games, I am all for those added 4k of fans being able to get in! Really? At the expense of the atmosphere, the players' wishes, the management's wishes, and possibly the results? What happens if we lose a couple of games and go back down to 20,000? Honestly, this stadium issue is almost dead in the water now. People will always bring it up in the media because it's an easy 1000 word article to generate a bit of traffic, that's it. I'm with Tim P on this Anyway, won't the November games clash with the autumn internationals? |
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Post by manulike on May 27, 2016 18:29:36 GMT
Still, is it not all about carrying on the momentum from the previous success into a new successful campaign?
We need to carry as many new fans on-board as we can. All those Jonny Come Lately lads that missed out on FAW allocation - they should have the opportunity to see us. Surely?
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Post by cadno on May 27, 2016 18:49:54 GMT
Watched Wales vs Belgium 1993 on S4C last night, it was at the old Arms park - Crap atmosphere! The egg stadium is unsustainable and has a rubbish atmosphere compared to the CCS. The pitch looks like it's improved though.. I was at that game, wasn't a crap atmosphere at all. Maybe it didn't sound good on s4c the other night but it was definately a good atmos on the night. Fair enough, how did it compare to Wales-Belgium last June? |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 27, 2016 19:38:27 GMT
Still, is it not all about carrying on the momentum from the previous success into a new successful campaign? We need to carry as many new fans on-board as we can. All those Jonny Come Lately lads that missed out on FAW allocation - they should have the opportunity to see us. Surely? Let's see what the take up is like on the membership first. That should give an indication of how much interstates there is in international football |
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Post by manulike on May 27, 2016 22:02:50 GMT
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