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Post by iot on Aug 16, 2018 22:57:56 GMT
Goodness sake Ampadu is not too young at all! Bale was 17! Ramsey, Gunter 18 etc. Youth football is pointless past U16 imo, once you can be a pro you are old enough to play senior games provided you are good enough! If Giggs does it carefully, we could have another very good crop of 20 odd capped players in a few years time (ready for the WC qualifiers) with the likes of Bale, Allen, Ramsey still about alongside them not too far into their 30s at all. I don't have any problem with Ampadu starting because of his age. If he was just 15 but starting games for Chelsea, I'd want him to play. However, he hasn't featured in their squad for either the premier league game or in the community shield to date, and he's unlikely to get any senior football before ireland. I don't think we need to be in the position of asking a 17 year old who hasn't played senior football in over a month, and hasn't played competitively for more than half a year, to start this game for us. |
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Post by pendragon on Aug 17, 2018 20:38:08 GMT
I'd play him against Ireland, I'd also play Brooks if he plays for Bournemouth in the league again before the international break, we can't ignore Premier League players based on age/experience etc Those are my thoughts too. If they're good enough for the Premier League, where they encounter some of the toughest opposition in Britain and Europe, they are surely good enough to start - or at the very least - sub for us. |
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Post by iot on Aug 18, 2018 9:08:36 GMT
I'd play him against Ireland, I'd also play Brooks if he plays for Bournemouth in the league again before the international break, we can't ignore Premier League players based on age/experience etc Those are my thoughts too. If they're good enough for the Premier League, where they encounter some of the toughest opposition in Britain and Europe, they are surely good enough to start - or at the very least - sub for us. But Ampadu hasn't featured in their premier league squad? |
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Post by pendragon on Aug 18, 2018 10:56:58 GMT
Those are my thoughts too. If they're good enough for the Premier League, where they encounter some of the toughest opposition in Britain and Europe, they are surely good enough to start - or at the very least - sub for us. But Ampadu hasn't featured in their premier league squad? No. He did feature against Arsenal in their 1-1 draw (which Arsenal went onto win on penalties). He is starting to feature in the first team. Woodburn was seldom, if ever used in Liverpool's first team yet it proved to be a good decision to bring him on against Austria during last year's qualifiers. If Brooks gets a promising first team experience turn this season, I reckon he should also at least feature in a sub position. This is one of these things that fans are never going to agree on unfortunately. |
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Post by iot on Aug 18, 2018 15:57:51 GMT
But Ampadu hasn't featured in their premier league squad? No. He did feature against Arsenal in their 1-1 draw (which Arsenal went onto win on penalties). He is starting to feature in the first team. Woodburn was seldom, if ever used in Liverpool's first team yet it proved to be a good decision to bring him on against Austria during last year's qualifiers. If Brooks gets a promising first team experience turn this season, I reckon he should also at least feature in a sub position. This is one of these things that fans are never going to agree on unfortunately. I know he featured heavily in the preseason games, but he hasn't featured at all in Chelsea's competitive games so he isn't starting to feature in their first team. It looks like he's their fourth choice CB behind rudiger, david luiz and christensen as those three have been ahead of him in each squad for their three competitive games to date. When he moved to chelsea I think everyone expected him to be in the youth team for a couple of years before going out on loan, so he's way ahead of where everyone expected him to be and I think we all believe it's only a matter of time before he's a top premier league player. However, he's not regarded as a first team player by Chelsea yet so it's a long way from being a no-brainer to start with him against Ireland when, as I said, he won't have played competitive football in over 6 months. |
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Post by mortillsy on Aug 18, 2018 16:39:48 GMT
I’d 100% start him. He’s better that what we have already!
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Post by conwy10 on Aug 18, 2018 18:45:25 GMT
Goodness sake Ampadu is not too young at all! Bale was 17! Ramsey, Gunter 18 etc. Youth football is pointless past U16 imo, once you can be a pro you are old enough to play senior games provided you are good enough! If Giggs does it carefully, we could have another very good crop of 20 odd capped players in a few years time (ready for the WC qualifiers) with the likes of Bale, Allen, Ramsey still about alongside them not too far into their 30s at all. I think it’s easier to cap youngsters when we’ve got nothing to lose which was the case with Bale, Ramsey, Gunter, Hennessey and a whole host of others. Now we have a decent team and some promising youngsters. However saying that I’d definitely get him, Brooks and Mepham involved at some point. Probably start Mepham and Ampadu, bring Brooks off the bench. |
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Post by pendragon on Aug 18, 2018 19:38:07 GMT
No. He did feature against Arsenal in their 1-1 draw (which Arsenal went onto win on penalties). He is starting to feature in the first team. Woodburn was seldom, if ever used in Liverpool's first team yet it proved to be a good decision to bring him on against Austria during last year's qualifiers. If Brooks gets a promising first team experience turn this season, I reckon he should also at least feature in a sub position. This is one of these things that fans are never going to agree on unfortunately. I know he featured heavily in the preseason games, but he hasn't featured at all in Chelsea's competitive games so he isn't starting to feature in their first team. It looks like he's their fourth choice CB behind rudiger, david luiz and christensen as those three have been ahead of him in each squad for their three competitive games to date. When he moved to chelsea I think everyone expected him to be in the youth team for a couple of years before going out on loan, so he's way ahead of where everyone expected him to be and I think we all believe it's only a matter of time before he's a top premier league player. However, he's not regarded as a first team player by Chelsea yet so it's a long way from being a no-brainer to start with him against Ireland when, as I said, he won't have played competitive football in over 6 months. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that he hasn't appeared in any competitive fixtures for Chelsea. He's featured in an EFL Cup game, two International Championship Cup games (that has included Fabregas, Alonso, Zappacosta and Willian), and one Premier League game last season. That is quite a testament to the faith that Conté (and now Sarri) has placed in him. At what point do we feature him? When we've given the likes of Woodburn (who I don't think had ever featured in the Liverpool senior team prior to last autumn) the opportunity? Since then, Declan John and Chris Mepham have featured for us. I don't really see the issue with offering Ampadu a sub position to be honest. |
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Post by iot on Aug 18, 2018 22:31:25 GMT
I know he featured heavily in the preseason games, but he hasn't featured at all in Chelsea's competitive games so he isn't starting to feature in their first team. It looks like he's their fourth choice CB behind rudiger, david luiz and christensen as those three have been ahead of him in each squad for their three competitive games to date. When he moved to chelsea I think everyone expected him to be in the youth team for a couple of years before going out on loan, so he's way ahead of where everyone expected him to be and I think we all believe it's only a matter of time before he's a top premier league player. However, he's not regarded as a first team player by Chelsea yet so it's a long way from being a no-brainer to start with him against Ireland when, as I said, he won't have played competitive football in over 6 months. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that he hasn't appeared in any competitive fixtures for Chelsea. He's featured in an EFL Cup game, two International Championship Cup games (that has included Fabregas, Alonso, Zappacosta and Willian), and one Premier League game last season. That is quite a testament to the faith that Conté (and now Sarri) has placed in him. At what point do we feature him? When we've given the likes of Woodburn (who I don't think had ever featured in the Liverpool senior team prior to last autumn) the opportunity? Since then, Declan John and Chris Mepham have featured for us. I don't really see the issue with offering Ampadu a sub position to be honest. Sorry, I think you misread my post. I'm aware he has played some competitive games for Chelsea earlier last season - what I said was he hasn't played competitively in the last 6 months. I would definitely include ampadu on the bench and have never suggested otherwise, but I just think a lot of people are getting ahead of themselves by suggesting he should be a cert to start the match against the Irish. Woodburn hasn't started for us competitively yet and, even if he had, that wouldn't be a suitable comparison because of the completely different positions they play in. I would definitely start mepham against Ireland because he is a first team starter and has been getting rave reviews almost week in week out since he broke into their first team halfway through last season. Brentford have also rejected bids of around £15m for him which shows how highly they rate him. |
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Post by iot on Sept 3, 2018 16:42:33 GMT
So glad to see him with the squad. I probably never had to worry, but the whole Declan Rice business did make me sweat a bit. I'll be amazed if both he and Brooks aren't tied down to us following this double header.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 17:23:21 GMT
He probably should have started the last time we played ROI.
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Post by underwood on Sept 3, 2018 18:04:33 GMT
So glad to see him with the squad. I probably never had to worry, but the whole Declan Rice business did make me sweat a bit. I'll be amazed if both he and Brooks aren't tied down to us following this double header. If Sunday turns into a farce, Matt Smith, Tyler Roberts, Brooks & Ampadu will all have caps. |
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 4, 2018 1:20:47 GMT
So glad to see him with the squad. I probably never had to worry, but the whole Declan Rice business did make me sweat a bit. I'll be amazed if both he and Brooks aren't tied down to us following this double header. If Sunday turns into a farce, Matt Smith, Tyler Roberts, Brooks & Ampadu will all have caps. I've been following the Rice story with great interest. I've watched every on the ball debate about it as all the points that get made are important for us to listen to...... Crazily though no one has mentioned that was have a Rice 6 years down the line in Dummett. I wonder how it affects our squad. |
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Post by manulike on Sept 4, 2018 22:02:11 GMT
So glad to see him with the squad. I probably never had to worry, but the whole Declan Rice business did make me sweat a bit. I'll be amazed if both he and Brooks aren't tied down to us following this double header. If Sunday turns into a farce, Matt Smith, Tyler Roberts, Brooks & Ampadu will all have caps. If we end up playing a pub team on Sunday, I hope to God that Matt and Dai are spared, as those chavs will make mince meat out of them ;-(
I am sure Ampadu and Meps can take care of themselves, though ;-)
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Post by haruki on Sept 5, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
If Sunday turns into a farce, Matt Smith, Tyler Roberts, Brooks & Ampadu will all have caps. If we end up playing a pub team on Sunday, I hope to God that Matt and Dai are spared, as those chavs will make mince meat out of them ;-(
I am sure Ampadu and Meps can take care of themselves, though ;-)
It depends how much the Declan Rice situation has put a bit of fear into the Welsh Fa and Giggs. Clearly England are trying to counter react to English born players representing other home nations. I would expect to see Ampadu, Brooks, Tyler, Mepham and Matt Smith all feature over the next two games |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 5, 2018 11:40:53 GMT
Ampadu will definitely get some game time this double header.
Can't wait to see him in the famous red shirt again!
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Post by pendragon on Sept 5, 2018 22:11:05 GMT
Ampadu will definitely get some game time this double header. Can't wait to see him in the famous red shirt again! .... And capped 😆 |
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Sept 6, 2018 21:14:42 GMT
This guy can’t really be 17 can he?! Absolutely bossed it. What a player we have!
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 6, 2018 21:21:36 GMT
It's scary to think he's just 17, he made grown Irish men look like boys tonight.
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Post by zenith on Sept 6, 2018 21:39:31 GMT
WOW.
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Post by rushlegend on Sept 6, 2018 22:07:04 GMT
He was even telling Ramsey (former captain) what to do at one point LOL!!!! - The guy is pure class ... and he like Brooks, Smith and Mepham are ours ... Happy next few years!!!!
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Post by pendragon on Sept 6, 2018 22:26:24 GMT
He was sublime. What a fabulous player. He and Allen ran the show!
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Post by pendragon on Sept 6, 2018 22:27:03 GMT
He was even telling Ramsey (former captain) what to do at one point LOL!!!! - The guy is pure class ... and he like Brooks, Smith and Mepham are ours ... Happy next few years!!!! Yep, 4 players, 4 caps 👍 |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 6, 2018 22:34:56 GMT
Imagine thinking there's a better player on the planet than Ethan Ampadu
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Post by zenith on Sept 6, 2018 22:36:48 GMT
Imagine thinking there's a better player on the planet than Ethan Ampadu Gareth Bale is ok I suppose but I take your point  |
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Post by larslagerback on Sept 6, 2018 22:45:07 GMT
He was even telling Ramsey (former captain) what to do at one point LOL!!!! - The guy is pure class ... and he like Brooks, Smith and Mepham are ours ... Happy next few years!!!! Yep, 4 players, 4 caps 👍 5 if you can be arsed to count Dummet. Smart move by Giggs. |
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Post by alarch on Sept 6, 2018 22:45:29 GMT
Staggering performance. So much so, that's it's hard to see him not becoming a regular first team starter already. He'll probably have his ups and downs, which most young players have, but he's already playing like David Luiz. At 17.
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Post by alarch on Sept 6, 2018 22:46:54 GMT
5 if you can be arsed to count Dummet. Smart move by Giggs. Add Tyler Roberts to that list. |
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Post by manulike on Sept 6, 2018 22:49:18 GMT
He was even telling Ramsey (former captain) what to do at one point LOL!!!! - The guy is pure class ... and he like Brooks, Smith and Mepham are ours ... Happy next few years!!!! If I remember correctly, he was the one that picked Rambo off the ground after his awful gift to the ROI for their goal ;-)
CLASS ;-)
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Post by insertname on Sept 6, 2018 22:52:46 GMT
That run and pass.
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