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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2024 13:31:02 GMT
Sheehan and Morrell are very poor players, nowhere near international class - that is why one is in the lower divisions and the other is without a club. It is very depressing as either of this standard of player is a big weakness for other countries to exploit. For people defending Sheehan - sorry he is getting on and has done sweet nothing of note and watching him against Gibralter and his negative play in good positions versus Slovakia reinforced my view on him. Probably one of the three worst players to lose given our lack of quality in defensive central midfield and the fact JJ is not getting any game time after his move to France, which looks costly for us Don't quite get the hate for Sheehan. He's nowhere near Ampadu's level, but I think he's one of those players who can look just as good against Gibraltar as he can against Turkey. There won't be anything flashy, but he'll do a functional job in helping us to play it out and break up play - that would be the full extent of his role. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 30, 2024 13:34:06 GMT
Sheehan and Morrell are very poor players, nowhere near international class - that is why one is in the lower divisions and the other is without a club. It is very depressing as either of this standard of player is a big weakness for other countries to exploit. For people defending Sheehan - sorry he is getting on and has done sweet nothing of note and watching him against Gibralter and his negative play in good positions versus Slovakia reinforced my view on him. Probably one of the three worst players to lose given our lack of quality in defensive central midfield and the fact JJ is not getting any game time after his move to France, which looks costly for us If you judge any of our players based on that Gibraltar/Slovakia double header then our whole squad isn't fit for international football. It's not fair to keep bring that up to discredit Sheehan. This is a new era with a new manager and new plans I want to see what Sheehan can do under Bellamy with Allen on the bench to see out games, that is the best we can do at the moment if Bellamy feels JJ can't play that deeper role. If you can do well in League One then you can play against the likes of Iceland & Montenegro imo, especially when surrounded with better players |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 30, 2024 14:16:36 GMT
Expected t be out for 10 weeks. Huge blow for this tournament. At least he should be ok for the wc qualifiers, which are far more important. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Sept 30, 2024 15:43:06 GMT
Nothing to do with clubs this time. I was merely saying that we always seem to either suffer from a glut of injuries or one or two major / long term injuries/illnesses. We seem to be hit hard quite regularly. Our star players have always suffered - Ramsey, Bale, Brooks, Allen, Gabbidon, Delaney. Past 10-15 years, we've seen one of our best ever players break his leg (Ramsey) , one of our most promising youngsters get repeatedly injured and then get cancer (Brooks), our greatest ever player plagued by injuries for the last 5 years of his career, a probable starting CB retiring at an early age due to cardiac issues (Lockyer), and other star players in the making like Collison retiring young due to injury issues. Add all the other injuries on top and it's quite sad. It is pretty unbelievable when you look at it. I think the point melynwy was making is that there are pretty clear parallels between this perception you have of Welsh players being abused and singled out far more than others, and Welsh players being far more injury prone than others, and that's because you "don't know of any other countries that suffer" with these issues to the extent that we do. Again, that's just because a) you understandably don't pay half as much attention to other countries' injury issues and b) it doesn't make as much impact for larger countries where they have 3 or 4 options for every position. We had 2 or 3 major injuries in the last group (Dan James and Brooks, struggling to think of other major ones), and we have a couple again now - that's just par for the course. I remember England complaining about being cursed when they had major injury scares around Beckham and Rooney going into major finals - but there was no curse, just an injury or two to key players. We've been unlucky that some of our all-timers have struggled so much, although there's obvious reasons for Bale (explosive players are almost always plagued by hamstring issues) and Ramsey (Shawcross). However, there are plenty of other countries who could say the same - look no further than our previous opponents Montenegro who've suffered with all of Jovetic's injuries. Obviously you're hardly going to think about the way Montenegro have suffered with having injury-plagued key players in the same way that we have because why would you, but we're not this massive victim like you seem to think. It's just the same challenges every other side have to cope with in football. Agree with this. I don't think overall we have any more major injuries than other nations. If you look at any other national side in the Nations league for instance and they will have a couple of players or more missing from their squads due to injury - often 1 or more long term. Its just normal in international football. Maybe with a smaller playing pool it seems to affect us more. Actually though having a few players in the squad not starting for their clubs benefits us in this respect as they are less likely to get injured. As for ampadu it could have been a lot worse - an ACL having been a concern which would have ruled him out for the season. With no operation required he'll be back after Christmas. I wasn't in favour of bringing a certain Joseph Allen back, but looking at alternative options they are pretty dire so as a short term stop gap looks like its going to have to happen - if Joe himself is keen |
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Post by gimli on Oct 1, 2024 20:21:08 GMT
Silver lining - perhaps Charlie Crew might get an opportunity in Ampadu's absence? Their other midfielder Gruev went off injured earlier this evening too, so they're very thin in midfield at the moment.
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 3, 2024 20:20:28 GMT
I thought Ampadu was invincible, and I think he did too. I wonder if he will be more measured in his play when he comes back? It's a tricky one, because a big part of his game is imposing himself on the opposition.
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Post by highbury06 on Oct 4, 2024 2:23:12 GMT
I think the point melynwy was making is that there are pretty clear parallels between this perception you have of Welsh players being abused and singled out far more than others, and Welsh players being far more injury prone than others, and that's because you "don't know of any other countries that suffer" with these issues to the extent that we do. Again, that's just because a) you understandably don't pay half as much attention to other countries' injury issues and b) it doesn't make as much impact for larger countries where they have 3 or 4 options for every position. We had 2 or 3 major injuries in the last group (Dan James and Brooks, struggling to think of other major ones), and we have a couple again now - that's just par for the course. I remember England complaining about being cursed when they had major injury scares around Beckham and Rooney going into major finals - but there was no curse, just an injury or two to key players. We've been unlucky that some of our all-timers have struggled so much, although there's obvious reasons for Bale (explosive players are almost always plagued by hamstring issues) and Ramsey (Shawcross). However, there are plenty of other countries who could say the same - look no further than our previous opponents Montenegro who've suffered with all of Jovetic's injuries. Obviously you're hardly going to think about the way Montenegro have suffered with having injury-plagued key players in the same way that we have because why would you, but we're not this massive victim like you seem to think. It's just the same challenges every other side have to cope with in football. Agree with this. I don't think overall we have any more major injuries than other nations. If you look at any other national side in the Nations league for instance and they will have a couple of players or more missing from their squads due to injury - often 1 or more long term. Its just normal in international football. Maybe with a smaller playing pool it seems to affect us more. Actually though having a few players in the squad not starting for their clubs benefits us in this respect as they are less likely to get injured. As for ampadu it could have been a lot worse - an ACL having been a concern which would have ruled him out for the season. With no operation required he'll be back after Christmas. I wasn't in favour of bringing a certain Joseph Allen back, but looking at alternative options they are pretty dire so as a short term stop gap looks like its going to have to happen - if Joe himself is keen I don't think Rambo's injury issues costed us too much. He was always there in Qs in euros 16, wc18, and he was available in the crucial matches in euro 20, wc 22, and gave us a big hand. By Q Euros 24 he was already too old and declined, wouldn't have made much difference anyway. The shawcross tackle ruined his club career much more. Bale's untimely injury in wc18 q costed us though, even though we got a draw 5 times out of 8 when he was available and opened the score for several times, so we can't blame on luck. |
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