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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 7, 2018 21:59:44 GMT
If anyone gets picked over Taylor its Dummett. There's no way Roberts deserves a spot over Richards and Taylor, who've played consistent football in the top two divisions for a few years. Mepham over Lockyer, yes. Again, what has Dan James done to deserve a place over 3 experienced players who've played consistently at high levels? Not only that, but picking him over one of those three leaves us light on central midfield cover Wilson and Bradshaw play different position and there's no way Tyler Roberts deserves a call up over Bradshaw We all want to see youngsters getting opportunities in squads, but they have to earn it first and win the spot off an experienced pro Well as far as I'm concerned at moment Dummett has retired from Wales, he hasn't made any indication this has changed, obviously a consideration if he does. I disagree on whether Roberts deserves place over Taylor tbh, Woodburn last tournament proves that we don't necessarily pick our squads in that way just based off experience as he really took the place of more experienced players with out much 1st team experience himself, arguably Roberts has done more 1st team appearances this season and James has done more or less the same as Woodburn in Prem 2 team and I'm pretty certain we wont be leaving Woodburn at home. My whole point is that the China tournament should be a mix of our best players, Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Lawrence etc and our youngsters who are knocking on the door, I think that arguably the youngsters mentioned are going to be as good if not better than the regulars I mentioned by time Euro qualifiers come around and we would be missing great opportunity. Never suggested that Bradshaw and Wilson like for like, but there others in squad who could play in Bradshaw's position if it came to it, what I said about Tyler Roberts, Wilson and Bradshaw competing was based off who is more in form now that Roberts and Wilson now at new clubs with a lot more possibility of 1st team action If the tournament in China is being seen as just a money spinner, it still stands to reason that the players I mentioned who could be replaced are not technically crowd pullers on world scale. they want to see Bale, Ramsey, Allen Ben Woodburn is widely regarded as one of the hottest prospects in world football. With all due respect, Roberts has played against Wolves and Notts County whilst Dan James hasn't even played 90 minutes of pro football. Fringe players like Bodin and Bradshaw deserve a shot in China more than the youngsters do as they've put in the hard yards in professional football and have been patient Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, Mepham have all earned call-ups. I think the China is a nice way to have a look at the likes of Bradshaw and Bodin. In my view James, after the starting XI, is behind; Lawrence, Brooks, Woodburn, Watkins, Hedges, Bodin, Wilson. Even Gwion Edwards could stake a claim to being higher on the list |
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Post by alarch on Feb 8, 2018 12:17:39 GMT
Ben Woodburn is widely regarded as one of the hottest prospects in world football. With all due respect, Roberts has played against Wolves and Notts County whilst Dan James hasn't even played 90 minutes of pro football. Fringe players like Bodin and Bradshaw deserve a shot in China more than the youngsters do as they've put in the hard yards in professional football and have been patient Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, Mepham have all earned call-ups. I think the China is a nice way to have a look at the likes of Bradshaw and Bodin. In my view James, after the starting XI, is behind; Lawrence, Brooks, Woodburn, Watkins, Hedges, Bodin, Wilson. Even Gwion Edwards could stake a claim to being higher on the list I tend to agree with this assessment, but things can change quickly. I suspect there will be a fair few players dropping out of the China Cup - so who knows what sort of squad we will end up with. Roberts has the stronger claim of the two Swansea players, but he will need to prove himself against better opposition to earn the right to a squad place without relying on drop-outs. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 13:43:44 GMT
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Post by joseywales37 on Feb 8, 2018 14:46:23 GMT
Well as far as I'm concerned at moment Dummett has retired from Wales, he hasn't made any indication this has changed, obviously a consideration if he does. I disagree on whether Roberts deserves place over Taylor tbh, Woodburn last tournament proves that we don't necessarily pick our squads in that way just based off experience as he really took the place of more experienced players with out much 1st team experience himself, arguably Roberts has done more 1st team appearances this season and James has done more or less the same as Woodburn in Prem 2 team and I'm pretty certain we wont be leaving Woodburn at home. My whole point is that the China tournament should be a mix of our best players, Bale, Ramsey, Allen, Lawrence etc and our youngsters who are knocking on the door, I think that arguably the youngsters mentioned are going to be as good if not better than the regulars I mentioned by time Euro qualifiers come around and we would be missing great opportunity. Never suggested that Bradshaw and Wilson like for like, but there others in squad who could play in Bradshaw's position if it came to it, what I said about Tyler Roberts, Wilson and Bradshaw competing was based off who is more in form now that Roberts and Wilson now at new clubs with a lot more possibility of 1st team action If the tournament in China is being seen as just a money spinner, it still stands to reason that the players I mentioned who could be replaced are not technically crowd pullers on world scale. they want to see Bale, Ramsey, Allen Ben Woodburn is widely regarded as one of the hottest prospects in world football. With all due respect, Roberts has played against Wolves and Notts County whilst Dan James hasn't even played 90 minutes of pro football. Fringe players like Bodin and Bradshaw deserve a shot in China more than the youngsters do as they've put in the hard yards in professional football and have been patient Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, Mepham have all earned call-ups. I think the China is a nice way to have a look at the likes of Bradshaw and Bodin. In my view James, after the starting XI, is behind; Lawrence, Brooks, Woodburn, Watkins, Hedges, Bodin, Wilson. Even Gwion Edwards could stake a claim to being higher on the list Roberts also played against Newcastle recently too and again did very well, the general feeling about him with a lot of Swans fans I talk to is that he is actually the preferred option to Naughton and should be a regular Prem squad member. As for Ben Woodburn/Dan James, I know how highly he is regarded, but he only really made one or 2 first team appearances before every one was calling for first team, and rightly so imo , Ampadu had played more regular 1st team football yet Woodburn with less experience got his chance 1st. That's all I am saying by this is that sometimes, even though there are some players who been playing first team football longer, there just some players who can come along and just jump straight in in their place just simply because they got that x factor about them. If Swansea were not in relegation fight for last 2 seasons with managers too scared to give youngsters a chance, I think we might have seen him in first team more. Swans mess up imo where they failed to blood some youngsters sooner in cup games or giving them 10 minute run out elsewhere. I have watched Dan James play quite a lot over last year or 2 against varying levels of opposition and I can honestly say every game he has more or less been best player, the only time I can say that he was not was against Porto reserves where a guy called Varela stole the show, but he was still Swans livewire. I agree he behind Lawrence, Woodburn, Brooks and Wilson, but think ability wise he is arguably better or as good as the rest mentioned, obviously 1st team experience they have upper hand. |
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Post by welshiron on Feb 8, 2018 15:50:05 GMT
What happened at Shrewsbury?
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Post by welshiron on Feb 8, 2018 16:19:43 GMT
Comparing him to Woodburn is a stretch, just look at the players ahead of Woodburn
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Post by ae15 on Feb 8, 2018 16:45:07 GMT
What happened at Shrewsbury? Think he was deemed not strong enough and sent back. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Feb 8, 2018 17:08:52 GMT
What happened at Shrewsbury? Ive heard conflicting things about what happened there, really don't think its about ability though, not from what ive seen, would be very surprised. A lot of the Swans fans I know want him in place of Routledge in squad. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 8, 2018 17:22:54 GMT
Ben Woodburn is widely regarded as one of the hottest prospects in world football. With all due respect, Roberts has played against Wolves and Notts County whilst Dan James hasn't even played 90 minutes of pro football. Fringe players like Bodin and Bradshaw deserve a shot in China more than the youngsters do as they've put in the hard yards in professional football and have been patient Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, Mepham have all earned call-ups. I think the China is a nice way to have a look at the likes of Bradshaw and Bodin. In my view James, after the starting XI, is behind; Lawrence, Brooks, Woodburn, Watkins, Hedges, Bodin, Wilson. Even Gwion Edwards could stake a claim to being higher on the list Roberts also played against Newcastle recently too and again did very well, the general feeling about him with a lot of Swans fans I talk to is that he is actually the preferred option to Naughton and should be a regular Prem squad member. As for Ben Woodburn/Dan James, I know how highly he is regarded, but he only really made one or 2 first team appearances before every one was calling for first team, and rightly so imo , Ampadu had played more regular 1st team football yet Woodburn with less experience got his chance 1st. That's all I am saying by this is that sometimes, even though there are some players who been playing first team football longer, there just some players who can come along and just jump straight in in their place just simply because they got that x factor about them. If Swansea were not in relegation fight for last 2 seasons with managers too scared to give youngsters a chance, I think we might have seen him in first team more. Swans mess up imo where they failed to blood some youngsters sooner in cup games or giving them 10 minute run out elsewhere. I have watched Dan James play quite a lot over last year or 2 against varying levels of opposition and I can honestly say every game he has more or less been best player, the only time I can say that he was not was against Porto reserves where a guy called Varela stole the show, but he was still Swans livewire. I agree he behind Lawrence, Woodburn, Brooks and Wilson, but think ability wise he is arguably better or as good as the rest mentioned, obviously 1st team experience they have upper hand. Comparing James to Woodburn is a massive stretch and is not at all valid in my opinion Dan James got sent back from Shrewsbury because he wasn't deemed good enough. If a League 1 side didn't think he was good enough for them, then how on earth is he better than Watkins (Norwich - Champ), Hedges (Barnsley - Champ), Bodin (Preston - Champ) and Gwion Edwards (Peterborough - League 1)? One cameo against a League 2 side isn't enough for a call up. If he were good enough for the Wales squad and better than those four, why weren't there sides clamouring for him to join on loan? |
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Post by joseywales37 on Feb 8, 2018 17:29:27 GMT
Comparing him to Woodburn is a stretch, just look at the players ahead of Woodburn I was comparing the situation more than the talent, but I'm not going to lie I think Dan James not that far off talent wise. I just wonder if he was in Liverpool or Man Utd academy, would he be more highly regarded ?. I think sometimes it quite difficult for a lot of people to take in (myself included) that the Swans academy is now one of the best at least in Britain, arguably out performing Southampton and West Ham, Man Utd at the moment and not far behind Liverpool. I really do believe that any youngster that gets a sniff at first team action these days in Prem/Championship level, whether that's in cup competitions or not, must have a little bit of something about them that the coaches like. And as it stands at the moment Dan is mostly recognised as the top prospect at the academy. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Feb 8, 2018 17:44:09 GMT
Comparing him to Woodburn is a stretch, just look at the players ahead of Woodburn Think I mis understood what you were saying , yeh Liverpool have better players than Swans to compete with agreed, but then like I said its all relative as the Swans have gone through managers more worried about relegation battles than blooding youngsters, and they have shot themselves in foot with this and the policy of which youngsters they loan out , when and who to, they really haven't been on top of that. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Feb 8, 2018 17:55:20 GMT
Roberts also played against Newcastle recently too and again did very well, the general feeling about him with a lot of Swans fans I talk to is that he is actually the preferred option to Naughton and should be a regular Prem squad member. As for Ben Woodburn/Dan James, I know how highly he is regarded, but he only really made one or 2 first team appearances before every one was calling for first team, and rightly so imo , Ampadu had played more regular 1st team football yet Woodburn with less experience got his chance 1st. That's all I am saying by this is that sometimes, even though there are some players who been playing first team football longer, there just some players who can come along and just jump straight in in their place just simply because they got that x factor about them. If Swansea were not in relegation fight for last 2 seasons with managers too scared to give youngsters a chance, I think we might have seen him in first team more. Swans mess up imo where they failed to blood some youngsters sooner in cup games or giving them 10 minute run out elsewhere. I have watched Dan James play quite a lot over last year or 2 against varying levels of opposition and I can honestly say every game he has more or less been best player, the only time I can say that he was not was against Porto reserves where a guy called Varela stole the show, but he was still Swans livewire. I agree he behind Lawrence, Woodburn, Brooks and Wilson, but think ability wise he is arguably better or as good as the rest mentioned, obviously 1st team experience they have upper hand. Comparing James to Woodburn is a massive stretch and is not at all valid in my opinion Dan James got sent back from Shrewsbury because he wasn't deemed good enough. If a League 1 side didn't think he was good enough for them, then how on earth is he better than Watkins (Norwich - Champ), Hedges (Barnsley - Champ), Bodin (Preston - Champ) and Gwion Edwards (Peterborough - League 1)? One cameo against a League 2 side isn't enough for a call up. If he were good enough for the Wales squad and better than those four, why weren't there sides clamouring for him to join on loan? Like I said, ive conflicting reports about the Shrewsbury thing, but I know what I have seen in front of me, I go to watch Swans u23s as often as I can and I talk to others that go and they mostly say its a mistake he not in first team squad more often. Connor Roberts reportedly didn't have good time at Boro, but has played in Prem and FA cup since |
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Post by welshiron on Feb 12, 2018 11:07:40 GMT
Unfortunately both him and Roberts predictably dropped from the match day squad.
Mind you, cant really criticise a manager with the results he is getting
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 14:28:23 GMT
How did Dan get on against Brum? Any Swans fans see?
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Post by iot on Aug 20, 2018 14:40:12 GMT
I was surprised to see him come on before Montero considering the impact montero had in the first game. He's very lightweight and it showed. He struggled to get involved in the game and was knocked off the ball quite easily a couple of times. Hopefully that doesn't deter Potter from giving him more opportunities
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Post by alarch on Aug 20, 2018 20:05:17 GMT
He was disappointing to be honest, although he was involved in a couple of short interpassing movements that carried some goal threat. His decision making was poor. Still it's early days for his career.
Gwion Edwards is the one to watch right now - on fire for Ipswich.
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 1, 2018 16:04:55 GMT
Surprise of the day, Dan James starts for Swansea.
Live on Sky.
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Post by manulike on Sept 1, 2018 20:06:44 GMT
Surprise of the day, Dan James starts for Swansea. Live on Sky. Again, he was very lively and made great runs. Seems to have a great burst of pace. Admittedly, he is lacking the final touch - but at least he gets himself into the right positions.
A great prospect, and obviously, Potter seems to like what he sees as well ;-)
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Post by welshiron on Sept 20, 2018 9:53:19 GMT
Good news on Dan James, not seen a lot of him but he Obviously has some talent. Will hopefully get some more games before the January transfer window
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Post by manulike on Sept 20, 2018 11:00:44 GMT
Good news on Dan James, not seen a lot of him but he Obviously has some talent. Will hopefully get some more games before the January transfer window Saw him three times this season. Really good feet and nice communication skills. Certainly gets himself into great positions, but still lacking that killer instinct in front of goal. That will come with confidence and experience. Hopefully. |
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Post by zenith on Oct 23, 2018 21:36:46 GMT
Dan James had another good game this evening. Another good winger in the pipeline, we are spoiled for choice!
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Post by alarch on Oct 23, 2018 22:03:47 GMT
James' driving runs at the heart of the opposition defence gives us an option we don't have without Bale in the side. Lawrence and Wilson also have this capability - but James is electrifying. Add some composure and he will be one hell of a player.
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Post by iot on Oct 27, 2018 16:08:31 GMT
The bbc matvh report was very complimentary about his performance today, saying he beat his man at will and won the penalty for the first goal, and made a good cross to assist the second. It did also say hiwever that he was wasteful with the chances he created for himself. If he can get that sorted, he could be right jn there with wilson, lawrence and woodburn compeing for a spot.
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Post by manulike on Oct 27, 2018 19:09:16 GMT
The bbc matvh report was very complimentary about his performance today, saying he beat his man at will and won the penalty for the first goal, and made a good cross to assist the second. It did also say however that he was wasteful with the chances he created for himself. If he can get that sorted, he could be right jn there with wilson, lawrence and woodburn competing for a spot. On Call Rob, most punters were singing his praises including Gabbidon. Yes. They did mention that he should have scored two or even three goals... Doesn't surprise me, as I saw him three times this season, and he got into excellent positions in each and every game at least twice and was wasteful.
He will only get better. And so will Woodburn ;-)
... now ... if we can only find a couple of natural midfielders ...
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 27, 2018 19:25:45 GMT
The bbc matvh report was very complimentary about his performance today, saying he beat his man at will and won the penalty for the first goal, and made a good cross to assist the second. It did also say however that he was wasteful with the chances he created for himself. If he can get that sorted, he could be right jn there with wilson, lawrence and woodburn competing for a spot.
... now ... if we can only find a couple of natural midfielders ...
THS X1000. Maybe a couple more strikers too. We're becoming far too winger-oriented. Huws & Joniesta look increasingly unlikely to feature for us again because they don't play, and we need more midfielders in the Rambo/Allen moulds. Smith is a good start but we need more than one option - Louis Thompson and Nathan Broadhead maybe? |
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Post by rob on Oct 28, 2018 10:08:38 GMT
Ampadu surely can play Ramsey or Allen role. Skilful enough.
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Post by manulike on Nov 3, 2018 15:57:08 GMT
Having another superb match today.
A few excellent runs down the left as well as a couple of half-decent shots.
Had the assist for McBurnie's goal.
If only he could add that elusive finishing touch to his game, he is certainly a Premiership prospect.
Would be surprised if he doesn't get called up - would be disappointed if he doesn't play v Albania.
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Post by zenith on Nov 3, 2018 18:40:24 GMT
Having another superb match today. A few excellent runs down the left as well as a couple of half-decent shots. Had the assist for McBurnie's goal. If only he could add that elusive finishing touch to his game, he is certainly a Premiership prospect. Would be surprised if he doesn't get called up - would be disappointed if he doesn't play v Albania. It will be very interesting to see if Ben Woodburn gets called up. If he misses out, I’d imagine James should get the call. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 24, 2018 15:44:50 GMT
Pulls a goal back for Swansea.
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Post by manulike on Jan 15, 2019 23:07:52 GMT
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