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Post by nwcherries on Apr 18, 2019 11:14:23 GMT
I'm not really sure why this discussion is occurring in this forum. Given my club allegiance this could be mis-intepreted as a typical example of the tedious rivalry between Swansea and Cardiff. But it really isn't. I just can't see what Cardiff are contributing to Welsh football now, or any time soon. If there are plans afoot to invest more in the academy to bring it up to Category One status, then Cardiff retaining their Premier League status really would matter from a Welsh perspective. As things stand Cardiff aren't really a Welsh club as far as the playing side is concerned in any meaningful way. Such a shame given that Cardiff, when Sam Hamman was in charge, contributed a lot to the Welsh ecosystem: Ramsey, Collins and Earnshaw being the examples that spring immediately to mind. Does the Welshness of the club feature at all in the owners' thinking? Its a good point, considering that we had more Welsh players starting in our win vs Brighton than Cardiff did in theirs. Even though they're in a lower League, there's a lot more Welsh talent in the Swansea side to admire than there is in the Cardiff side. From a neutral perspective at least. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Apr 18, 2019 11:42:11 GMT
I'm not really sure why this discussion is occurring in this forum. Given my club allegiance this could be mis-intepreted as a typical example of the tedious rivalry between Swansea and Cardiff. But it really isn't. I just can't see what Cardiff are contributing to Welsh football now, or any time soon. If there are plans afoot to invest more in the academy to bring it up to Category One status, then Cardiff retaining their Premier League status really would matter from a Welsh perspective. As things stand Cardiff aren't really a Welsh club as far as the playing side is concerned in any meaningful way. Such a shame given that Cardiff, when Sam Hamman was in charge, contributed a lot to the Welsh ecosystem: Ramsey, Collins and Earnshaw being the examples that spring immediately to mind. Does the Welshness of the club feature at all in the owners' thinking? Its a good point, considering that we had more Welsh players starting in our win vs Brighton than Cardiff did in theirs. Even though they're in a lower League, there's a lot more Welsh talent in the Swansea side to admire than there is in the Cardiff side. From a neutral perspective at least. The Bournemouth Welsh players have been brought in rather than come through the system. You could potentially buy a few more and then will have more than Swansea :-) What my opinion is, as bad as the American ownership has been for Swansea from a league perspective, their reluctance to spend has forced Potters hand to use some of the younger players. Warnock on the other hand has turned to seasoned pros and as far as I can recall has never really turned to youngsters in any previous management roles? Swansea also have a very good Academy as displayed by their recent history but before then it was Cardiff who had a glut in the Welsh team (Ledley, Blake, Ramsey, Gunter etc) If Cardiff were in Swansea’s position and had a Potter type manager who would blood youngsters maybe we would see more of the likes of Coxe, Harris, Humphreys and Spence? Bellamy was being tipped to be the next manager and his record with the Cardiff youth has been good but his progress to the main job has ar best stalled until these allegations are resolved. I would love to see a Potter/Howe style manager at Cardiff once Warnock decides to give up the reins. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 18, 2019 15:18:48 GMT
I'm not really sure why this discussion is occurring in this forum. Given my club allegiance this could be mis-intepreted as a typical example of the tedious rivalry between Swansea and Cardiff. But it really isn't. I just can't see what Cardiff are contributing to Welsh football now, or any time soon. If there are plans afoot to invest more in the academy to bring it up to Category One status, then Cardiff retaining their Premier League status really would matter from a Welsh perspective. As things stand Cardiff aren't really a Welsh club as far as the playing side is concerned in any meaningful way. Such a shame given that Cardiff, when Sam Hamman was in charge, contributed a lot to the Welsh ecosystem: Ramsey, Collins and Earnshaw being the examples that spring immediately to mind. Does the Welshness of the club feature at all in the owners' thinking? Which discussion do you mean? |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Apr 18, 2019 18:24:00 GMT
Neil Warnock does not give young players opportunities in the premiership league.
Notable names he gave debuts to when he was manager at Palace first time were Clyne,Bostock and Moses and that was in the championship..
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Post by underwood on Apr 18, 2019 21:39:17 GMT
This iis a Welsh Footbsll Forum first & foremost & it is well-informed & well-meaning. However, a lot of people who post on here are also Cardiff City fans, as has been the case in the 40 years of me following the national side. The majority of fans from one club who follow Wales are from Cardiff. I don't think this is going to change any time soon.
You can either accept this fact (incidentally it doesn't threaten you), or stay in denial.
Either way, do you think it is better that Cardiff City remain in the Premier League & have the future resources available to develop local Welsh talent through their academy, of that they get relegated to the Championship & are forced to lay off staff, including those related to young player development?
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Post by barry on Apr 20, 2019 16:02:51 GMT
Brighton draw away with Wolves.
Cardiff now need at least 4 more pts.
Both have tough fixtures.
Brighton
Spuds (A)
Newcastle (H)
Arsenal (A)
Citeh (H)
Cardiff
Liverpool (H)
Fulham (A)
Palace (H)
Manure (A)
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Post by welshiron on Apr 20, 2019 16:13:28 GMT
This iis a Welsh Footbsll Forum first & foremost & it is well-informed & well-meaning. However, a lot of people who post on here are also Cardiff City fans, as has been the case in the 40 years of me following the national side. The majority of fans from one club who follow Wales are from Cardiff. I don't think this is going to change any time soon. You can either accept this fact (incidentally it doesn't threaten you), or stay in denial. Either way, do you think it is better that Cardiff City remain in the Premier League & have the future resources available to develop local Welsh talent through their academy, of that they get relegated to the Championship & are forced to lay off staff, including those related to young player development? Not sure the academy is worthwhile at the moment When was last time a youth player played for the first team There are pros and cons to each scenario. |
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Post by alarch on Apr 20, 2019 18:04:02 GMT
As far as Welsh football is concerned the academy is everything, and a club that is aspiring to remain in the Premier League should be aspiring to Category One status. If Cardiff retain their Premier League status I guess that it's more likely that they will look to strengthen their academy - but I haven't heard anything to suggest that this is an ambition for the club? Is there any long term plan? Or is Vincent Tan still focussed on the Far East?
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 20, 2019 22:21:33 GMT
There were rumours that we were investing in it last season and before that when Trollope came in as manager, it'll probably get looked at again in the summer
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Post by manulike on Apr 20, 2019 22:25:04 GMT
Brighton draw away with Wolves. Cardiff now need at least 4 more pts. Both have tough fixtures. Brighton Spuds (A) Newcastle (H) Arsenal (A) Citeh (H) Cardiff Liverpool (H) Fulham (A) Palace (H) Manure (A) Assuming that BHA are more than likely to pick up another point at least v Newcastle, I think 5 points is minimal (and optimistic). Knowing the spuds, they will probably pick up another point there...
More realistically, six points v CP and Fulham is better. That way, if BHA pick up 3 points v Newcastle, City can still fight their final day's battle v United, and a point there is do-able
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Post by manulike on Apr 23, 2019 19:57:58 GMT
Do the spuds have the bottle to win this bleeping game ...
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 23, 2019 20:34:35 GMT
Do the spuds have the bottle to win this bleeping game ... Yes they do...GET IN THERE! |
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Post by manulike on Apr 23, 2019 20:37:53 GMT
Do the spuds have the bottle to win this bleeping game ... Yes they do...GET IN THERE! GAME ON. Must have been Davies the Jack what made the difference ;-)
Saturday will be massive. Come on you Geordies ;-)
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Post by manulike on Apr 24, 2019 20:42:23 GMT
The only good thing about the Arsenal losing twice, will be how essential it will be for them to beat BHA in May when they meet at the Emirates.
Also, United losing twice may well make it impossible for them to get into the top 4 - and by the time they host City at Old Trafford they will be with a caretaker manager and with nothing to play for ;-)
#BLUEBIRDS.FLY.AGAIN
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Post by nwcherries on Apr 25, 2019 9:35:08 GMT
Makes a nice change for both ends of the table to have things going on still. Certainly wouldn't count Cardiff out at this stage.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 27, 2019 9:56:42 GMT
Do or die today. I think we'll scrape a narrow win and keep it alive. I'm going for 2-1 to City. |
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Post by manulike on Apr 27, 2019 16:03:41 GMT
Very disappointing today from the bluebirds.
Total lack of ambition and absolutely no urgency.
Only had 20% possession up until they went 1-0 down in the 80' minute.
For those of you that taped it - JUST FAST FORWARD TO 80'.
From then on, the Diff were a totally different side. Had SEVEN shots on target and could have easily scored 3 just in extra time.
TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE ;-(((
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Post by manulike on Apr 27, 2019 16:50:29 GMT
For those that are not fans of Dummett ... his cross for the assist to make it 0-1
EDIT Dummett with at least 4 essential clearances, but not enough to secure a win ;-(
Now, the biggest hope is for Chelsea to beat United tomorrow, that will effectively take United out of the top 4 picture.
That said, if City play like they did today, they are not even going to beat CP, let alone United away ;-(
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Post by fiveattheback on May 31, 2019 14:55:41 GMT
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Post by dai on Nov 11, 2019 17:22:13 GMT
Is this good for Vaulks and Richards? Good for youth development? Vaulks perhaps not as Warnock signed him....
Please merge with a Cardiff thread if there is one, but I couldnt find it.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 11, 2019 17:36:34 GMT
Has to be good news for welsh football
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 11, 2019 18:09:15 GMT
Good news for the club in general, I'd imagine?
I wouldn't expect the next Cardiff manager to promote Welsh players or any impose any semblance of a footballing philosophy, however. More of the same.
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Post by insertname on Nov 11, 2019 18:13:37 GMT
You can have my club's manager, he loves banging it down the channels and trying to hit the big lad up front- would be a good fit for Cardiff.
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Post by gimli on Nov 11, 2019 18:14:11 GMT
The best thing that could happen now from a Welsh perspective would be for Bellamy to get the job. He's been vocal about his belief in ability of the youngsters at the club, so I'd expect him to integrate the likes of Cameron Coxe, James Waite and Sion Spence into the first team squad if he got the job.
Sadly that whole bullying scandal might mean that that ship has sailed.
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 11, 2019 18:36:51 GMT
The best thing that could happen now from a Welsh perspective would be for Bellamy to get the job. He's been vocal about his belief in ability of the youngsters at the club, so I'd expect him to integrate the likes of Cameron Coxe, James Waite and Sion Spence into the first team squad if he got the job. Sadly that whole bullying scandal might mean that that ship has sailed. From what I’ve heard he’s not been all that at Anderlecht More likely to be Flynn (young and local) or a Chris Houghton type |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 11, 2019 18:45:30 GMT
The best thing that could happen now from a Welsh perspective would be for Bellamy to get the job. He's been vocal about his belief in ability of the youngsters at the club, so I'd expect him to integrate the likes of Cameron Coxe, James Waite and Sion Spence into the first team squad if he got the job. Sadly that whole bullying scandal might mean that that ship has sailed. From what I’ve heard he’s not been all that at Anderlecht More likely to be Flynn (young and local) or a Chris Houghton type Cardiff have Pulis/O'Neill/Holloway written all over them. Brexitball. Nathan Jones is also available if they fancy sinking further? |
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Post by gimli on Nov 11, 2019 18:56:59 GMT
The best thing that could happen now from a Welsh perspective would be for Bellamy to get the job. He's been vocal about his belief in ability of the youngsters at the club, so I'd expect him to integrate the likes of Cameron Coxe, James Waite and Sion Spence into the first team squad if he got the job. Sadly that whole bullying scandal might mean that that ship has sailed. From what I’ve heard he’s not been all that at Anderlecht I can't claim to have watched any Anderlecht U21 matches, but from what I can see he's won 6 and lost 1 since being in charge, so can't be doing too badly. Obviously, I'm guessing Anderlecht have one of the best U21s squads in Belgium, so probably can't read too much into the record. What I do know is that there was a massive dip in the form and style of play of the Cardiff U18s after he left last season. Ultimately, we'll never know if he's any good until he's given a chance to manage someone's first team. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 11, 2019 19:25:45 GMT
From what I’ve heard he’s not been all that at Anderlecht More likely to be Flynn (young and local) or a Chris Houghton type Cardiff have Pulis/O'Neill/Holloway written all over them. Brexitball. Nathan Jones is also available if they fancy sinking further? Crikey Ian Holloway is never in the same category as Pulis  he put together one of the best footballing sides Bristol Rovers have ever had, his Blackpool side was not too shabby either. A busted flush nowadays though. I’d be very concerned if I was a Cardiff fan and he turned up. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 11, 2019 19:28:04 GMT
Neil Harris is 1/3 apparently
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Nov 11, 2019 19:58:26 GMT
Good news for Cardiff City.
I did mention in the Ashley Williams thread i thought Warnock was on the way out.
I remember when he was given the sack at Palace after playing Southampton we were absolutely woeful and clueless a bit like what i saw in Cardiff,s display yesterday.
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he put together one of the best footballing sides Bristol Rovers have ever had, his Blackpool side was not too shabby either.