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Post by hooky on Jul 18, 2020 20:10:45 GMT
May the best team win and that will probably be Cardiff.
I don't like Cardiff's style but they are far more likely to get promoted than Swansea. They can in theory frustrate Brentford and Fulham. I think the attackers of those teams would overwelm Swansea
Its also probably better for Welsh football if Swansea stay in the Championship as they will continue to rely on their acadamey. The only ones who would benefit from a promotion are their American owners. Rondon and perhaps Roberts will be sold and the likes of carbango will get more chances.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 18, 2020 21:59:06 GMT
Obviously glad for Cardiff, but I just feel it would be better for Welsh football if swansea were promoted. Swansea's in such a shaky financial situation, a year or two in the prem, if done rightly, could really solidify them financially. I can also see far more Welsh players playing in the prem for swansea than cardiff As a Cardiff fan I'd rather Cardiff obviously. But I do prefer Swansea's system of playing more Welsh players, and financial security will help with that. I do think there's more chance of Welsh players getting time in the Championship for them though, Rushesha & Cullen unlikely to play in the Premier League. Cardiff definitely to be bringing more through the academy though, and I'd like to see them sign a few more Welsh players too |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 18, 2020 22:39:28 GMT
May the best team win and that will probably be Cardiff. I don't like Cardiff's style but they are far more likely to get promoted than Swansea. They can in theory frustrate Brentford and Fulham. I think the attackers of those teams would overwelm Swansea Its also probably better for Welsh football if Swansea stay in the Championship as they will continue to rely on their acadamey. The only ones who would benefit from a promotion are their American owners. Rondon and perhaps Roberts will be sold and the likes of carbango will get more chances. Cardiff play decent football under Harris |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 23:20:17 GMT
Obviously glad for Cardiff, but I just feel it would be better for Welsh football if swansea were promoted. Swansea's in such a shaky financial situation, a year or two in the prem, if done rightly, could really solidify them financially. I can also see far more Welsh players playing in the prem for swansea than cardiff Swansea's finances aren't shaky in the same way many clubs' are. There's no massive debt that needs to be serviced/repaid, it's a straightforward case of too many PL contracts on the books and only EFL money coming in. Given how the owners spent money in that last PL season (Bony and Ayew obscene contracts) I wouldn't count on promotion solidifying much. Desperation makes for some poor decisions. We'd probably see more Welsh players in the PL with Swansea but we're also likely to see more Welsh players coming through at Swansea if they're in the Championship. Good few big names out of contract this summer, with a raft of Welsh youngsters next in line for squad places. Get promoted and those opportunities disappear. Dan James, Connor Roberts and Joe Rodon had to be very patient (as did McBurnie, Byers and Grimes). Would Cullen, Evans, Cooper or Rushesha get chances in the PL? |
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 19, 2020 8:56:26 GMT
May the best team win and that will probably be Cardiff. I don't like Cardiff's style but they are far more likely to get promoted than Swansea. They can in theory frustrate Brentford and Fulham. I think the attackers of those teams would overwelm Swansea Its also probably better for Welsh football if Swansea stay in the Championship as they will continue to rely on their acadamey. The only ones who would benefit from a promotion are their American owners. Rondon and perhaps Roberts will be sold and the likes of carbango will get more chances. Cardiff play decent football under Harris  |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 19, 2020 9:40:32 GMT
Cardiff play decent football under Harris 13 goals since coming back from lockdown, 12 from open play. Its not possession football but its enjoyable to watch |
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Post by barry on Jul 19, 2020 9:46:26 GMT
Only a point needed for Cardiff at home against a poor Hull who have essentially just been relegated due to their goal difference. I think Cardiff will get 6th - and then who knows how it will go for them, they seem to be on a good run which is always important for playoffs Wigwam only have one more point than Hull once their 12 points are deducted so Hull could finish above them and Luton. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 19, 2020 9:50:46 GMT
Only a point needed for Cardiff at home against a poor Hull who have essentially just been relegated due to their goal difference. I think Cardiff will get 6th - and then who knows how it will go for them, they seem to be on a good run which is always important for playoffs Wigwam only have one more point than Hull once their 12 points are deducted so Hull could finish above them and Luton. Wigan have Fulham away too, who are still in with a chance of automatic promotion. |
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Post by iot on Jul 19, 2020 12:26:08 GMT
Obviously glad for Cardiff, but I just feel it would be better for Welsh football if swansea were promoted. Swansea's in such a shaky financial situation, a year or two in the prem, if done rightly, could really solidify them financially. I can also see far more Welsh players playing in the prem for swansea than cardiff Swansea's finances aren't shaky in the same way many clubs' are. There's no massive debt that needs to be serviced/repaid, it's a straightforward case of too many PL contracts on the books and only EFL money coming in. Given how the owners spent money in that last PL season (Bony and Ayew obscene contracts) I wouldn't count on promotion solidifying much. Desperation makes for some poor decisions. We'd probably see more Welsh players in the PL with Swansea but we're also likely to see more Welsh players coming through at Swansea if they're in the Championship. Good few big names out of contract this summer, with a raft of Welsh youngsters next in line for squad places. Get promoted and those opportunities disappear. Dan James, Connor Roberts and Joe Rodon had to be very patient (as did McBurnie, Byers and Grimes). Would Cullen, Evans, Cooper or Rushesha get chances in the PL? "Given how the owners spent money in that last PL season (Bony and Ayew obscene contracts) I wouldn't count on promotion solidifying much. Desperation makes for some poor decisions." That's what I meant by "if done rightly". Take Norwich as an example - from my understanding they spent very little on new players over the summer and yet they will have received £100m+ from the season in the prem. Going forward, they're costs shouldn't be significantly higher and they should have significantly more funds in the bank. Cardiff were fairly similar last season where they only spent around 30mil for their prem season, and I'm assuming they're much stronger for it this season (financially) than they were the season they went up. The mismanagement at Swansea is well-documented, but it isn't inevitable that clubs have to spend huge amounts once they're promoted, leaving them exposed when they come back down. If you have a more realistic outlook, such as those examples above, then you should be able to improve your financial position significantly from just a year or two in the prem. Burnley's probably another good example - they came back down after one season in the prem having not spent much at all, but were then in a much stronger position to push again and build more sustainably to the point where they are now an established prem side. The polar opposite is Aston Villa's approach this season where they spent £100mil+ and are surely screwed next season. The point I'm making is that there's a number of ways to do it, and if done well, clubs should be stronger when they come down from the prem than they were when they went up. Going back to my original comment, it was based on this article: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inevitable-swansea-citys-house-cards-18075073As I understand it, Swansea are still in an incredibly precarious position due to their extremely high wages-to-turnover ratio, which is why I'd prefer them to get promoted in order to readdress that. You'd like to think that having gone through the horrors of dealing with bleak finances over the last couple of years, they would approach a second chapter in the premier league completely differently. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 22, 2020 21:21:40 GMT
A professional job leave Cardiff 5th. 14th when Harris took over
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Post by manulike on Jul 23, 2020 19:25:06 GMT
A professional job leave Cardiff 5th. 14th when Harris took over Ar William is wot made da difference ;-) |
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Post by evans1282 on Jul 27, 2020 18:57:16 GMT
Probably years late with this ,but look up Scott Parker McDonald's advert on YouTube,Isn't he wearing a Swansea away shirt😁
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Post by iot on Jul 27, 2020 20:37:54 GMT
Fuck sakes, what a complete non-performance. They offered absolutely nothing, so disappointing
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Post by dai on Jul 27, 2020 20:38:42 GMT
Cardiff have been absolutely terrible this second half, absolutely zero effort. Such a weird blase performance. .
If it was a choice between the two Welsh teams, I’d prefer to see Swansea go up. Much better brand of football.
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Post by wirralwelsh on Jul 27, 2020 21:17:36 GMT
Even Cardiff fans have got to admit they have absolutely nothing to offer the Premier league.
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Post by dai on Jul 30, 2020 20:59:18 GMT
Surprisingly good effort from Cardiff tonight. Shame Tomlin went off injured, he was making a difference and I was fancying them for the win before he did his hamstring in.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 30, 2020 20:59:27 GMT
They were fantastic tonight. Should have taken it to extra time
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Post by gimli on Aug 26, 2020 14:59:18 GMT
Could mean nothing, could mean something, but a few Welsh youngsters (as well as Kieffer and Vaulks) played for Cardiff's first team in a friendly against Newport yesterday:
Ben Margetson, full back (son of one-cap-wonder Martyn Margetson)
Kieron Evans, winger
Sam Bowen, centre mid (son of two-cap-wonder Jason Bowen)
James Waite, attacking mid/forward
Mark Harris, striker
Moore played a beautiful one-two with Harris to score:
As I said, it could mean nothing at all and just be a case of using them to pad out the squad a bit for the friendly, but Harris has said he wants to create a pathway from the U23s to the first team, and these young players (along with some non-Welsh ones) have apparently been with the firsts since training restarted last week.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 1, 2020 12:53:12 GMT
Ben Margetson, Sam Bowen and Kieron Evans all featured in today's 2-1 victory over Cheltenham. Kieffer Moore and Will Valks obviously with the Wales squad whilst Mark Harris and George Ratcliffe are with the under 21s
They fared pretty well to be fair alongside a few other youngsters
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 1, 2020 12:55:06 GMT
Could mean nothing, could mean something, but a few Welsh youngsters (as well as Kieffer and Vaulks) played for Cardiff's first team in a friendly against Newport yesterday: Ben Margetson, full back (son of one-cap-wonder Martyn Margetson) Kieron Evans, winger Sam Bowen, centre mid (son of two-cap-wonder Jason Bowen) James Waite, attacking mid/forward Mark Harris, striker Moore played a beautiful one-two with Harris to score: As I said, it could mean nothing at all and just be a case of using them to pad out the squad a bit for the friendly, but Harris has said he wants to create a pathway from the U23s to the first team, and these young players (along with some non-Welsh ones) have apparently been with the firsts since training restarted last week. Money's probably thin on the ground at the moment so they won't want to be spending money on backups I imagine, hopefully the academy will finally fulfil this function The Wales Online journalist Glen Williams said on Twitter earlier this week that the club are quietly confident about the current crop of youngsters, probably bollocks though |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 9, 2020 16:28:47 GMT
Mendez-Laing sacked, more chances for youngsters? Club don't seem to be wanting another winger after bringing in Ojo
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Post by manulike on Sept 12, 2020 13:25:08 GMT
The best duo since Batman and Robin about to start for the bluebirds ;-)
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 6, 2020 9:11:27 GMT
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Post by iot on Oct 6, 2020 9:53:05 GMT
There's probably some truth in that, given that none of their youngsters have looked close to doing anything special since then. But it begs the question, what's happened to Cardiff's academy over the years? Why isn't it churning out decent players anymore? |
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Post by alarch on Oct 6, 2020 9:57:20 GMT
Is it really true though? Until you give players the chance you never know. Even then, players may struggle on loan at first and still turn out well - Daniel James being the obvious example. Connor Roberts barely got a chance on loan at Middlesbrough, and he's done alright. Warnock's attitude is the main problem hear, reflected in his derogatory "All this pretty pass, pass, pass" comments. Dinosaur.
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Post by gimli on Oct 6, 2020 10:07:00 GMT
When Warnock says the academy players are "not good enough", he means "they don't conform to my prehistoric style of football". There's been a massive disconnect between the Academy and the first team for years, with the first team playing hoofball while the Academy players are playing a possession-based game. There's no doubt the Academy has been failing for the past decade, but I don't think that's due to the quality of the players. There's a systematic issue that means talented 16/17/18 year olds never get a chance to step up, so stagnate in the U23s until they're released aged 21 or 22, having wasted crucial years in their development. Cameron Coxe being the most recent example, and Tommy O'Sullivan before him. Bellamy said that when he was here he was banging on Warnock's door telling him that certain youth players were good enough to be given a chance in the first team but Warnock was having none of it, preferring to stick with ageing journeymen on inflated contracts So from a Welsh perspective, I'm very glad Sion Spence decided to leave and sign for Palace. He might actually get a chance there. Neil Harris does appear to be trying to bridge the gap between Academy and first team, with a few of the youngsters regularly training with the first team now, and Mark Harris being officially promoted. Neil also appointed his buddy Steve Morison as U23 manager so the teams are more closely linked now, and he actually goes to watch U23 matches – something Warnock never did – so I'm cautiously hopeful. However, he's still yet to give any of them chance in a league game, and he's almost been here a year now, so we'll see... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 6, 2020 10:17:41 GMT
I think like you say there is a stylistic difference between the teams which has been a problem. As a Cardiff fan I personally do feel a bit disconnected from the club with the lack of youth players playing for us & the lack of Welsh players in general. I appreciate the signings of Vaulks & Moore but I feel we need that youth involvement/pathway to really develop the identity of what we are as a team. I look over at Swansea & I'm jealous of the way local lads like Rodon & Roberts are involved. Cabango choosing the Swans over his hometown highlights the problem for me
I think trust is a big thing too. Sometimes you have to be willing to play a youth player & let him make a few mistakes to improve him and get him up to speed. Here's hoping Harris is the one to bring the change through!
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 6, 2020 15:57:18 GMT
There's probably some truth in that, given that none of their youngsters have looked close to doing anything special since then. But it begs the question, what's happened to Cardiff's academy over the years? Why isn't it churning out decent players anymore? The two best recent players, Spence and Matondo, have left Cardiff. The talent was clearly there, the opportunities weren't. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 6, 2020 20:24:32 GMT
There's probably some truth in that, given that none of their youngsters have looked close to doing anything special since then. But it begs the question, what's happened to Cardiff's academy over the years? Why isn't it churning out decent players anymore? The two best recent players, Spence and Matondo, have left Cardiff. The talent was clearly there, the opportunities weren't. Elite Player Performance Plan. Essentially non-PL clubs have to surrender their academy players to the big boys when they come calling. If Cardiff/Swansea etc. sponsored/funded teams in the Cymru Leagues & operated them as feeder teams, they could in theory bypass this bollocks and start turning profit for themselves by shipping their best prospects to Barry Town, Port Talbot etc. with buy-back or first refusal clauses. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 8, 2020 9:53:05 GMT
Is it really true though? Until you give players the chance you never know. Even then, players may struggle on loan at first and still turn out well - Daniel James being the obvious example. Connor Roberts barely got a chance on loan at Middlesbrough, and he's done alright. Warnock's attitude is the main problem hear, reflected in his derogatory "All this pretty pass, pass, pass" comments. Dinosaur. Even the Swans didn't really give Connor Roberts a chance in the Prem, let alone Dan James! |
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