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Post by bracklablue72 on Jun 30, 2018 9:45:47 GMT
So now Cardiff should just sign Welsh players as a token gesture, just so we have a few Welsh boys in the squad? If they aren't deemed good enough, or don't fit the system, then so be it. I'd much rather focus on developing Welsh players than just signing them, developing youngsters makes perfect sense from the point of the national team and having local pride, signing Welsh players just because they're Welsh is pure folly and you know it Truthfully, I'd rather see Brooks at Bournemouth than at Cardiff at present, the same goes for a lot of the young Welsh players. I'd rather they learned a more expansive style than we play, which would be of far greater benefit to the national team than watching the ball soar over their heads for 90 minutes at Cardiff Yet more excuses. Fans of any other club in the league next season would be outraged if no one from their country played for them, but it's clearly not an issue at all for you. Looking at the last round of fixtures in the EPL, here are the number of players from each club's country in their first team: Arsenal - 1 Bournemouth - 4 Brighton - 3 Burnley - 6 Chelsea - 2 Crystal Palace - 3 Everton - 5 Huddersfield - 3 Leicester - 5 Liverpool - 3 Man City - 3 Man U - 3 Newcastle - 3 Southampton - 5 Spurs - 4 Stoke - 3 Swansea - 1 Watford - 2 WBA - 4 West Ham - 2 And you're happy next season that Cardiff will be the only team with a 0? Excuses?? He summed it up admirably ffs The academy is THE most important thing and getting to the Premier will now ensure it’s future and hopefully cat. 1 status, meaning more quality Welsh boys coming through in the future. We’d all have loved Harry Wilson, Brooks, Ampadu, Woodburn coming on loan ( we may yet get one of them!) but getting a team capable of competing and possibly staying up is THE most important thing for club and country! Unless you’d like us to take Cotterill, Nyatanga and Easter??? Or maybe risk financial meltdown and go for Ramsay? |
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Post by underwood on Jun 30, 2018 10:46:14 GMT
It’s time to let this one go now boys. If Cardiff City are still a Premier League club in 10 years time then there will be more young Welsh professional footballers of better quality about in 2028 than there are now.
It was better when we qualified for tournaments & we spent the summer focused on what was happening on the pitch, rather than bickering about conjecture.
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 30, 2018 11:38:03 GMT
To be fair to Cardiff, people on here should have at least some allegiances to a Welsh team in England. Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham should be ashamed of how many Welsh players are getting opportunities in their teams so it’s not just Cardiff. I feel ashamed of the club I support. I’m not to sure how many Newport have.
I don’t mean sign Steve Morison I mean bring through the next generation.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 30, 2018 13:16:43 GMT
Yet more excuses. Fans of any other club in the league next season would be outraged if no one from their country played for them, but it's clearly not an issue at all for you. Looking at the last round of fixtures in the EPL, here are the number of players from each club's country in their first team: Arsenal - 1 Bournemouth - 4 Brighton - 3 Burnley - 6 Chelsea - 2 Crystal Palace - 3 Everton - 5 Huddersfield - 3 Leicester - 5 Liverpool - 3 Man City - 3 Man U - 3 Newcastle - 3 Southampton - 5 Spurs - 4 Stoke - 3 Swansea - 1 Watford - 2 WBA - 4 West Ham - 2 And you're happy next season that Cardiff will be the only team with a 0? Excuses?? He summed it up admirably ffs The academy is THE most important thing and getting to the Premier will now ensure it’s future and hopefully cat. 1 status, meaning more quality Welsh boys coming through in the future. We’d all have loved Harry Wilson, Brooks, Ampadu, Woodburn coming on loan ( we may yet get one of them!) but getting a team capable of competing and possibly staying up is THE most important thing for club and country! Unless you’d like us to take Cotterill, Nyatanga and Easter??? Or maybe risk financial meltdown and go for Ramsay? You do go to extremes I Listed a dozen players within Cardiff budget and you could add others like vokes to that list You bang on about the academy but there is no a ademy player to be seen atCardiff |
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Post by welshiron on Jun 30, 2018 13:19:05 GMT
Local parents will continue to go elsewhere as they can see no pathway to the first team especially whilst Warnock is there
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Post by bracklablue72 on Jul 1, 2018 8:22:39 GMT
Excuses?? He summed it up admirably ffs The academy is THE most important thing and getting to the Premier will now ensure it’s future and hopefully cat. 1 status, meaning more quality Welsh boys coming through in the future. We’d all have loved Harry Wilson, Brooks, Ampadu, Woodburn coming on loan ( we may yet get one of them!) but getting a team capable of competing and possibly staying up is THE most important thing for club and country! Unless you’d like us to take Cotterill, Nyatanga and Easter??? Or maybe risk financial meltdown and go for Ramsay? You do go to extremes I Listed a dozen players within Cardiff budget and you could add others like vokes to that list You bang on about the academy but there is no a ademy player to be seen atCardiff Ok there is no reasoning with you.... enjoy your day 👍 |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 10:23:38 GMT
What would you like to reason about
Please tell me the benefits of Cardiff to Welsh football at the moment
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Post by alternativewales on Jul 1, 2018 10:25:23 GMT
Local parents will continue to go elsewhere as they can see no pathway to the first team especially whilst Warnock is there Not a Cardiff fan, but Cardiff fans shall not give a toss if there aren't any youngsters in the side and they stay up Welshiron! Warnock has done a brilliant job there to united the club and get the fans on the side. Bastard  Who are the two players West Ham have produced currently? Rice and Oxford? Not exactly a conveyor belt of talent.... |
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Post by alternativewales on Jul 1, 2018 10:29:03 GMT
Wales is bigger than canton and one would be nice. So now Cardiff should just sign Welsh players as a token gesture, just so we have a few Welsh boys in the squad? If they aren't deemed good enough, or don't fit the system, then so be it. I'd much rather focus on developing Welsh players than just signing them, developing youngsters makes perfect sense from the point of the national team and having local pride, signing Welsh players just because they're Welsh is pure folly and you know it Truthfully, I'd rather see Brooks at Bournemouth than at Cardiff at present, the same goes for a lot of the young Welsh players. I'd rather they learned a more expansive style than we play, which would be of far greater benefit to the national team than watching the ball soar over their heads for 90 minutes at Cardiff Bang on! |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 11:33:12 GMT
Local parents will continue to go elsewhere as they can see no pathway to the first team especially whilst Warnock is there Not a Cardiff fan, but Cardiff fans shall not give a toss if there aren't any youngsters in the side and they stay up Welshiron! Warnock has done a brilliant job there to united the club and get the fans on the side. Bastard Who are the two players West Ham have produced currently? Rice and Oxford? Not exactly a conveyor belt of talent.... Not relevant but don't think you would win an argument comparing the west ham and Cardiff acadamies |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 11:33:51 GMT
So now Cardiff should just sign Welsh players as a token gesture, just so we have a few Welsh boys in the squad? If they aren't deemed good enough, or don't fit the system, then so be it. I'd much rather focus on developing Welsh players than just signing them, developing youngsters makes perfect sense from the point of the national team and having local pride, signing Welsh players just because they're Welsh is pure folly and you know it Truthfully, I'd rather see Brooks at Bournemouth than at Cardiff at present, the same goes for a lot of the young Welsh players. I'd rather they learned a more expansive style than we play, which would be of far greater benefit to the national team than watching the ball soar over their heads for 90 minutes at Cardiff Bang on! I do actually agree that any young talent is wise to stay away from a Warnock team |
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Post by bracklablue72 on Jul 1, 2018 11:51:24 GMT
I do actually agree that any young talent is wise to stay away from a Warnock team The hatred for your capital is oozing out of you.. benefits of us being in premier league: more local kids play football, maybe at the expense of rugby?, Academy gets Category 1 status and becomes efficient at ensuring the next Bale and Bellamy don’t end up in academies hundreds of miles away... better pathways to first team in future, more local talent filtering down from CCFC and playing in lower leagues if they don’t make it with CCFC....more professional football players in South East Wales, greater pool of talent for the national side.......you still don’t get it? Na, you’re fuelled by hatred my friend 😘 |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 12:30:42 GMT
No hatred here, but your reasons are just based on hope especially if it is only a 1 season stay.
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 12:32:17 GMT
You cant fit any more players into your acadamiesthey are full at all age groups.
Where is this influx of talent going to come from, possibly abroad?
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Post by bracklablue72 on Jul 1, 2018 13:51:09 GMT
You cant fit any more players into your acadamiesthey are full at all age groups. Where is this influx of talent going to come from, possibly abroad? So you’re advocating getting youngsters from abroad now?? Wtf? The aim is surely to leave no stones unturned in South Wales and provide the best youngsters with the best opportunuty to progress to first team and national side... the premier league will allow that to happen with more investment in the academy, the premier league would not have been possible without Warnock doing it his way on a very tight budget. I’m happy with that and I don’t know any City fans who aren’t happy with that ... everyone wins from what’s happening at Cardiff , the recent under investment in the academy will end.... I’ve got to reiterate ... we HAVE brought Welsh players into the club in the last couple of seasons... Huws, Lawrence, Richards, we’re in a good position to really push on and to focus on u18, u16 now |
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Post by cymru98 on Jul 1, 2018 14:29:00 GMT
Darcey Blake, James Collins, Rob Earnshaw, Chris Gunter, Declan John, Joe Ledley, Adam Matthews, Aaron Ramsey... I know its not many but wouldn't exactly say Cardiff haven't done much for Welsh Football..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 15:42:29 GMT
Football clubs are run by extremely rich businessmen.
They are not run on sentimentality
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 16:02:37 GMT
Have a good feeling that Cardiff will make investment in getting their academy up to category one. But they may wait and see how they do in the PL. I do think cat one is a tad over the top with the amount of specifications they demand to get the top status and a lot of those requirements do seem like pissing money away. So Cardiff can't be blamed too much for their situation given their debt levels. But I'd like to see more quality coaches brought into the club for the youngsters as there doesn't appear to be enough improvement once players with potential reach their late teens.
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 16:10:54 GMT
Football clubs are run by extremely rich businessmen. They are not run on sentimentality Not in Merthyr, they are run on the never never, go bust, get begging bowl out and repeat |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 1, 2018 16:11:36 GMT
You cant fit any more players into your acadamiesthey are full at all age groups. Where is this influx of talent going to come from, possibly abroad? So you’re advocating getting youngsters from abroad now?? Wtf? The aim is surely to leave no stones unturned in South Wales and provide the best youngsters with the best opportunuty to progress to first team and national side... the premier league will allow that to happen with more investment in the academy, the premier league would not have been possible without Warnock doing it his way on a very tight budget. I’m happy with that and I don’t know any City fans who aren’t happy with that ... everyone wins from what’s happening at Cardiff , the recent under investment in the academy will end.... I’ve got to reiterate ... we HAVE brought Welsh players into the club in the last couple of seasons... Huws, Lawrence, Richards, we’re in a good position to really push on and to focus on u18, u16 now No lol |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 1, 2018 16:21:37 GMT
You cant fit any more players into your acadamiesthey are full at all age groups. Where is this influx of talent going to come from, possibly abroad? So you’re advocating getting youngsters from abroad now?? Wtf? The aim is surely to leave no stones unturned in South Wales and provide the best youngsters with the best opportunuty to progress to first team and national side... the premier league will allow that to happen with more investment in the academy, the premier league would not have been possible without Warnock doing it his way on a very tight budget. I’m happy with that and I don’t know any City fans who aren’t happy with that ... everyone wins from what’s happening at Cardiff , the recent under investment in the academy will end.... I’ve got to reiterate ... we HAVE brought Welsh players into the club in the last couple of seasons... Huws, Lawrence, Richards, we’re in a good position to really push on and to focus on u18, u16 now What for? To sell them? |
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Post by bracklablue72 on Jul 1, 2018 16:47:54 GMT
So you’re advocating getting youngsters from abroad now?? Wtf? The aim is surely to leave no stones unturned in South Wales and provide the best youngsters with the best opportunuty to progress to first team and national side... the premier league will allow that to happen with more investment in the academy, the premier league would not have been possible without Warnock doing it his way on a very tight budget. I’m happy with that and I don’t know any City fans who aren’t happy with that ... everyone wins from what’s happening at Cardiff , the recent under investment in the academy will end.... I’ve got to reiterate ... we HAVE brought Welsh players into the club in the last couple of seasons... Huws, Lawrence, Richards, we’re in a good position to really push on and to focus on u18, u16 now What for? To sell them? If they get sold to a bigger club the system will have worked surely? The club get money , the player betters himself , continues to develop |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 1, 2018 16:57:23 GMT
If they get sold to a bigger club the system will have worked surely? The club get money , the player betters himself , continues to develop And the selling club doesn't get the full value for their player. Selling club is stitched up again! |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 1, 2018 17:15:18 GMT
If they get sold to a bigger club the system will have worked surely? The club get money , the player betters himself , continues to develop And the selling club doesn't get the full value for their player. Selling club is stitched up again! *cough* Matondo *cough* |
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Post by bracklablue72 on Jul 1, 2018 18:34:08 GMT
And the selling club doesn't get the full value for their player. Selling club is stitched up again! *cough* Matondo *cough* Well that’s just the way it is, the big money clubs call the shots, but I guess that given the initial gripe was that Cardiff aren’t doing enough for the National cause, we’ll at least ( hopefully ) be churning a few more future internationals ... the point you make is valid but that is a much wider debate concerning the haves and have nots in the football world and whether it’s ethical to poach youngsters of academy age from smaller clubs academies |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jul 1, 2018 18:57:32 GMT
Palace have still not got a category 1 academy and we have been in the premiership since 2013-14, it takes a lot of investment and time.
But Warnock to be fair when he was at Palace would get the talented youngsters with the first team squad.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 1, 2018 19:01:15 GMT
Palace have still not got a category 1 academy and we have been in the premiership since 2013-14, it takes a lot of investment and time. But Warnock to be fair when he was at Palace would get the talented youngsters with the first team squad. Unfortunately different teams and different times. |
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Post by Gary Williams on Jul 2, 2018 8:36:33 GMT
We have one Welsh international
Jazz Richard's
Hopefully in time will improve
Remember current internationals have played for city
Ramsey
Gunter
John
Lawrence
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Post by manulike on Jul 5, 2018 21:35:25 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 5, 2018 22:21:10 GMT
Have to agree we found away trip to CCS was better than game. great day out in the city before and after game |
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Who are the two players West Ham have produced currently? Rice and Oxford? Not exactly a conveyor belt of talent....
