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Post by notpropaganda on Sept 7, 2018 10:45:22 GMT
Hugely disappointing display last night, absolutely destroyed by a very good Welsh side. However the calls for MON to go are misjudged, given the paucity of our panel it’s hard to imagine any manager reinvigorating a team and panel in decline.Fans should remember that despite having only a marginally better panel for the World Cup qualifiers we were the only 4th ranked team in the European groups to progress to the playoffs - a huge achievement in itself. Given the cyclical nature of football particularly for small countries , something Welsh fans must be aware of , we can only hope that some talent will emerge in the relatively short term to enable us to add to our total of qualifications for 3 European championships & 3 World Cups. Best of luck to Wales v Denmark. How on earth can you say that. I'm genuinely baffled. His dinosaur tactics cost us top of the WC group, the playoff, and will have us bottom of this Nations League group. Like the amount of things that went our way in the last qualifying group, we will never get an opportunity that good again. Between injuries to the likes of Bale, suspensions to star Serbian players for the first away match, Allen going off in Cardiff when he was bossing it, Austria being woeful, rivals taking points off eachother - we had it in our hands and MON's dinosaur tactics sucked the life and momentum out of us. Look at the record since we won in Vienna - it is absolutely atrocious with our worst performances coming in Dublin! I'll happily give credit where it's due and he has given us some brilliant performances and big big results. Magic nights. But the buck stops with him. Limited players didn't lose us top spot in the group, limited players didn't give Eriksen the freedom of Lansdowne Road, limited players didn't sub off all your central midfielders for wingers at HALF TIME against Denmark. That's all on MON, he makes the calls and in a huge match, a HOME PLAYOFF - win the match and you're in the World Cup - he fucked up. Majorly. From last night, it seems he's learned fuck all. Everyone knows Irish football is in trouble with very little coming through in the immediate future. That's not really the problem, the problem is the lack of obvious tactics on show, the lack of organisation, players saying they don't know if they're in the team until an hour before kick off, no work on set-pieces in training, and most of all the lack of fight. The players just don't look like they believe in him any more, and who can blame them? The bare minimum is get organised, be hard to beat. We're not gonna pass anyone off the park but look at what Northern Ireland are managing with a limited bunch. MON is constantly playing the poor mouth saying how bad all the players are - what a great man manager. Get him out now ffs, this is feeling more poisonous than the last days of Trap. |
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Post by notpropaganda on Sept 7, 2018 10:46:03 GMT
Sorry to the Welsh lads for overtaking your forum on that.
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Post by notpropaganda on Sept 7, 2018 10:48:18 GMT
Personally thought Coleman was poor last night. Many Irish fans last year saying he was as vital for Ireland as Bale is to Wales. Well they were both back last night so I will go with what I saw with my own eyes Obviously he's not on Bale's level talent wise but he's as important to us in terms of being a talisman. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Sept 7, 2018 10:55:36 GMT
Sorry to the Welsh lads for overtaking your forum on that. The contrary - we love to hear the opinions of others, whether its about Wales or the opposition. It would appear Ireland are at a low point in terms of quality available at the moment. Its cyclical, it will change, Ireland have had some great players in the past and im sure they will again. Its a very average team at the moment (from the outside looking in) so im not sure if MON was out, would it change much? Do you have the players to play a more attractive style? Playing Jon Walters up front sums up everything for me (a serviceable striker at best). |
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2018 11:33:07 GMT
To the person in front of me that I fell on during the 3-0 celebrations, I apologise. I did get a nice big gash on my leg for my troubles though. I doubt you’re the only one. The Canton was bouncing at times last night, loved it. I was sat in Corporate (delusions of grandeur, me 😁). I was far too rowdy to be there lol. Recall glazing over at Canton and wished I'd sat there instead. Atmosphere there seemed to be absolutely buzzing 😀 |
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Post by notpropaganda on Sept 7, 2018 11:33:49 GMT
Sorry to the Welsh lads for overtaking your forum on that. The contrary - we love to hear the opinions of others, whether its about Wales or the opposition. It would appear Ireland are at a low point in terms of quality available at the moment. Its cyclical, it will change, Ireland have had some great players in the past and im sure they will again. Its a very average team at the moment (from the outside looking in) so im not sure if MON was out, would it change much? Do you have the players to play a more attractive style? Playing Jon Walters up front sums up everything for me (a serviceable striker at best). Cheers. The thing is, we know we're average. The problem as I see it is that since the Austria home match in June last year, we don't even look like we're playing any kind of style. Players don't seem to know their roles. Look at the Danish home match - I don't think any manager could stand over those subs and that second half yet MON tried to justify himself for it. And the frustration is, we've played some great stuff under MON. The high point was definitely the Euros, specifically against France. But that was 2 years ago now. There are no players being excluded that you would say have to get in and he's ignoring, in fairness to him he is quite proactive in getting form players into the squad. But the problem is once they're here, these players seem unable to get a pass and play another one five yards. We are missing good, solid players that would raise the standard. You would say that our starting XI, if all fully fit, we wouldn't be scared of going to Cardiff and would be hopeful of a result. But even if everyone was fit, under the current management I would be expecting maybe 35% possession and clinging on for dear life. Even though McCarthy, Brady, Hendrick are all good players, playing to a good standard - they seem incapable of holding onto the ball in an Ireland shirt. At some point you have to ask what they are being told to do from management? Look at any of MON's former players and ask them what his style is. All of them say he doesn't work on tactics really, he doesn't have set-piece ideas, he doesn't give specific instructions to players - they don't even know if they're in the team until a couple hours before kick off. This obviously worked for years because MON managed to a decent level, but the game has moved on and he is stuck in the early 00's. Players look completely lost out there. There is only so much that pure headless will to win and passion for Ireland like McClean has will get you. I'll bang on about it til the cows come home but Denmark at home was the nail in the coffin for me. To do what he did is unforgivable at this level. He lost the plot with his subs and didn't seem to have any instructions for how the players should line up even with those crazy subs. James McClean was playing defensive midfield at one stage. He horribly exposed Christie and Ward at full back, two honest but limited players that will give their all for you but you can't isolate. He brought on 2 light, creative players and took off central midfielders. There is a video on youtube of the "masterclass" Eriksen gave, but when you watch it there are no Irish players within 15 yards of him at any point. This is one of the best players in the Premier League - what's your plan for him MON? "Go out and give it a lash" isn't good enough. It's a nightmare at the minute. I still can't believe he was given a 2 year contract. The amount of money he is on as well is disgusting. Same for Roy Keane. Irish football is in a mess in terms of governance but we used to be able to point to the team and say they will leave it all on the pitch. I don't blame the players though. They're all honest lads doing what they can. Managements job is to set them up in a way that helps them as much as possible. He is failing them miserably at the minute. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 7, 2018 11:43:42 GMT
Great journey down
Got to the stadium at 4.45 so had a couple of hours of drinking in cardiff.
Downside got back into wrexham at 1.50 so back in the house at 2.50 but its what comes with the territory.
Met some great people and will probably do the coach again for the denmark game.
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Post by dai on Sept 7, 2018 11:51:56 GMT
The contrary - we love to hear the opinions of others, whether its about Wales or the opposition. It would appear Ireland are at a low point in terms of quality available at the moment. Its cyclical, it will change, Ireland have had some great players in the past and im sure they will again. Its a very average team at the moment (from the outside looking in) so im not sure if MON was out, would it change much? Do you have the players to play a more attractive style? Playing Jon Walters up front sums up everything for me (a serviceable striker at best). Cheers. The thing is, we know we're average. The problem as I see it is that since the Austria home match in June last year, we don't even look like we're playing any kind of style. Players don't seem to know their roles. Look at the Danish home match - I don't think any manager could stand over those subs and that second half yet MON tried to justify himself for it. And the frustration is, we've played some great stuff under MON. The high point was definitely the Euros, specifically against France. But that was 2 years ago now. There are no players being excluded that you would say have to get in and he's ignoring, in fairness to him he is quite proactive in getting form players into the squad. But the problem is once they're here, these players seem unable to get a pass and play another one five yards. We are missing good, solid players that would raise the standard. You would say that our starting XI, if all fully fit, we wouldn't be scared of going to Cardiff and would be hopeful of a result. But even if everyone was fit, under the current management I would be expecting maybe 35% possession and clinging on for dear life. Even though McCarthy, Brady, Hendrick are all good players, playing to a good standard - they seem incapable of holding onto the ball in an Ireland shirt. At some point you have to ask what they are being told to do from management? Look at any of MON's former players and ask them what his style is. All of them say he doesn't work on tactics really, he doesn't have set-piece ideas, he doesn't give specific instructions to players - they don't even know if they're in the team until a couple hours before kick off. This obviously worked for years because MON managed to a decent level, but the game has moved on and he is stuck in the early 00's. Players look completely lost out there. There is only so much that pure headless will to win and passion for Ireland like McClean has will get you.I'll bang on about it til the cows come home but Denmark at home was the nail in the coffin for me. To do what he did is unforgivable at this level. He lost the plot with his subs and didn't seem to have any instructions for how the players should line up even with those crazy subs. James McClean was playing defensive midfield at one stage. He horribly exposed Christie and Ward at full back, two honest but limited players that will give their all for you but you can't isolate. He brought on 2 light, creative players and took off central midfielders. There is a video on youtube of the "masterclass" Eriksen gave, but when you watch it there are no Irish players within 15 yards of him at any point. This is one of the best players in the Premier League - what's your plan for him MON? "Go out and give it a lash" isn't good enough. It's a nightmare at the minute. I still can't believe he was given a 2 year contract. The amount of money he is on as well is disgusting. Same for Roy Keane. Irish football is in a mess in terms of governance but we used to be able to point to the team and say they will leave it all on the pitch. I don't blame the players though. They're all honest lads doing what they can. Managements job is to set them up in a way that helps them as much as possible. He is failing them miserably at the minute. On the set pieces, there was a bit of uproar before the match when MON said you don't practice set pieces. Is that true? Was that just a bit of gamesmanship before the match? I thought some of the Irish set pieces were decent, and obviously had been rehearsed at some point in training. Regarding Mcclean, you play better without him as well. |
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Post by notpropaganda on Sept 7, 2018 12:00:21 GMT
On the set pieces, there was a bit of uproar before the match when MON said you don't practice set pieces. Is that true? Was that just a bit of gamesmanship before the match? I thought some of the Irish set pieces were decent, and obviously had been rehearsed at some point in training. Regarding Mcclean, you play better without him as well. He's never worked on set-pieces in the past. He may have changed tack on that as Duffy is our biggest asset and seeing how England used set-pieces so effectively in the WC might have had an impact. But no, before that he would never have bothered working on pretty much anything from the sounds of it. McClean plays great for us in all honesty, he can be headless and make the wrong choice at times but he has to start when fit. Not a likeable player for opposition fans I'm sure but he improves the team. |
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2018 12:05:36 GMT
Strangely enough, I actually thought Ireland played better last night than they did against Denmark ten months ago, or against us the month earlier.
The passing, pace and energy was better (possession was 36% last night, compared to around 15% against us last October).
What was missing in spades was organisation and discipline. It was a team that was crumbling apart, weighed down by lack of strategy, multiple injuries and other woes.
They started pressing in the last ten minutes of the first half and the middle of the second.
There were some shades of promise here and there, most notably from Seamus Coleman, and to a lesser degree, Cyrus Christie.
They also had a few shots on goal. It was just that we had more, which was reflected in the end result.
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2018 13:33:40 GMT
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Post by saints19 on Sept 7, 2018 15:14:16 GMT
Last night was a great attacking performance, some of the passing was sheer class. However, I'm not getting carried away just yet. The defence looks suspect. Last night we had midfielders bombing forward, leaving acres of space between them and the back four, we had defenders not communicating and all going for the same ball, we had, frankly, chaos at times. Good chaos going forward, but by definition, bad chaos from a defensive point of view.
It seems like Giggs is going to play this way, so we can but observe and see how it works out. Over a qualifying campaign, my gut feeling is that you need to be solid at the back as that is how we've achieved success as a small nation in the past. In our successful EURO 2016 campaign we kept clean sheets in most of our games and ground out wins by scoring one or two more than the opposition. So far under Giggs, we've smashed mediocre/poor teams, but the two games against better teams we've drawn 0-0 with Mexico when the Mexicans had at least one golden opportunity to score, and lost 1-0 in a game to Uruguay that should have been around 4-1 or even more.
Denmark will be a proper test of this and whether it works out, I wonder if Giggs will change things around or do the same again? I hope we at least start the game more pragmatically, no problem with us going for it in the latter stages if we need a goal.
All I'm saying is don't get carried away with the size of the wins. Size of win is irrelevant in a qualification campaign - you get 3 points for a 1-0 win and 3 points for a 5-1 win.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 7, 2018 15:26:13 GMT
To be honest, from my point of view, the calls for O'Neill to go are understandable only in light of the last two hammerings. When you look at the bigger picture and the last qualifying campaign in full, it's hard to fathom. Getting (no offence) that bunch of sloggers to a World Cup play off was an incredible feat. The way he plays isn't pretty but the cupboard is bare in terms of playing talent. IMO there are two ways to go, either back O'Neill and try and grind results out short term and hope something comes through, or do the full scale write-off of Irish chances and start again with a new, cheaper, possibly domestically-based manager. This second method is no guarantee of success either.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 7, 2018 15:39:11 GMT
In a 3 team group goal difference could be vital.
Does anyone know if it goes on head to head or overall goal differ3nce
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Post by saints19 on Sept 7, 2018 15:45:02 GMT
Head to head is applied before overall goal difference.
However, my post is referring to the main qualification process more than the NL, as the NL may be quite difficult to qualify through having to negotiate a semi and a final play-off.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 15:50:20 GMT
Anyone know the official attendance? Just over 25k if I remember correctly Which I though was a very poor attendance.
We had circa 1500 v 3000 last time but again this was known in advance.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 7, 2018 16:00:55 GMT
Just over 25k if I remember correctly Which I though was a very poor attendance.
We had circa 1500 v 3000 last time but again this was known in advance.
A combination of the game being on a Thursday, the same fixture being played just under a year ago, a few not being keen on Giggs and a lack of interest in the nations league would explain the attendance, but doesn't excuse it. I agree, it was rather poor. 4 points from the next 2, and we'll fill the ground for the Denmark game however. |
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Post by irelandfan on Sept 7, 2018 16:05:16 GMT
"If wales dont beat us Thursday then something seriously wrong" You have a full strength defence, your first choice keeper, and will have scrappers over the rest of the park. We have historically struggled against those type of sides, so my money would be on a draw. It won't be any easier for us to score in this game than it was last time, and we never looked like scoring in that game! The only difference this time is that we have Bale playing, but unless we get a piece of magic from him, I think we'll really struggle to score. If giggs plays an attacking game plan instead of the way Coleman setup last year and can see yous winning by a few Moral amoung irish fans is at an all time low and dont think anuone can be confident of us getting a result Wish i could say i didnt see last nights result coming but me and so many others could was obvious to know what was gping to happen and its only getting worse for us Bar the 90 minutes of football i had good few days in Cardiff its good city for a game with bars etc close together and had a laugh with a few welsh fans in them after the game last night |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 16:07:35 GMT
I agree with some of your points. Some parts of that game (before the first goal and after our final goal), we did concede possession a few times and I remember thinking that the Danes would have punished us for that. But I did put it down to inexperience, youth and towards the end, fatigue. Giggs admitted himself that there were mistakes and I'm sure he'll work on them. In the grand scheme of things, these mistakes were very minor and only worth mentioning in the context of preparations for the next game. Cannot fault them at all for tonight's display. They exceeded my expectations and more. The performance tonight has given me faith that a victory over the Danes is achievable. I expected us to get a tanking and was not really surprised at result.
Additionally I feel Wales had a point to prove as their world cup campaign was a dismal disaster, in part I believe because of a cockiness / over confidence at Euro16's performance. ROI coming to Cardiff and beating them rubbed salt into it.
Wales played better than expected but they couldn't have played worse than last year, with lots of good ball movement and Bale's goal was a great one to have seen. I genuinely wanted to see him play last year.
Randolph conceding at inside again and again was a disaster and worrying plus our inability to close players down. We were way too open at the back and confidence was not there.
What was more troubling is our continued inability to hold onto the ball once we have in plus Cyrus Christies belief that he can somehow cross the ball. Not seen him do it yet.
The internals before this game for the team were not good and think that is down to MON/RK. Their job is to build confidence among the players.
Personal belief is that RK made a comment to a number of players based on where they were born. Maybe right, maybe wrong but the unwillingness to actually address this is what goves cause for concern. He may believe it was in jest but as someone who knows many born in UK who are Irish it is not something people take lightly. Could be wrong and maybe I am finding something to fit the story.
At the moment their is a distinct lack of belief within the team, not helped by the internals.
I could be wrong but expect Declan Rice to come back on board as have always believed it was brought about by WMU pressure on him.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 7, 2018 16:09:39 GMT
We smashed Ireland last night. I'm definitely getting carried away sorry.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 16:10:59 GMT
To the person in front of me that I fell on during the 3-0 celebrations, I apologise. I did get a nice big gash on my leg for my troubles though. I doubt you’re the only one. The Canton was bouncing at times last night, loved it. Is that the singing section ............................ were there a lot missing last night from it.
it was quiet majority of game.
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Post by ae15 on Sept 7, 2018 16:14:09 GMT
I can see the appeal, but I think that's very much a fan's team which managers would never go for. Whilst it does manage to get in all our best players, it lacks balance and lacks a focal point in my opinion. I can't see that front four working, they would all want to pick up similar positions on the edge of the box / down the channels. While Vokes and HRK are far poorer players, we need one of them instead of either Brooks or Lawrence to provide a different dynamic - someone who Bale, Rambo and co can play off. In my view, Robson-Kanu is the only player who has been able to do that role for us, but it looks like Giggs doesn't fancy him. Vokes has always been a square peg in a round hole in this side, he has rarely got the best out of Ramsey and Bale. Our best attacking performances (barring Russia, in which they were a side of self-destruction), have come with Hal up front. Vokes is a very good option to have on the bench if we need to change things up but, with him, the team is far less balanced in my opinion, as his attributes fit a completely different style of play. We have so many bright attacking talents at the moment, and playing Vokes (or playing a back 5 for that matter) would massively reduce our potential going forwards. With Ampadu in the side, Allen has a much greater freedom to roam in the areas between their midfield and defence, something he has being doing excellently in recent seasons. Ledley has been often a sacrificial passenger in the side, used as a necessary extra defensive midfielder despite his deficiencies on the ball. He was very good in that role going into, and at, the Euros. But over the course of the WC qualifiers his passing ability seemingly faded, and in the Mexico game he looked completely off the pace too. Allen has had to restrict himself to simply a link between defence and attack as Ledley hasn't had the ability to play this role. This resulted in the opposing team being able to drop an extra midfielder into the space that Ramsey and Bale needed more freedom in. I honestly believe a free Allen would mean we could create so many more chances than we have over the last few years. With regards to Mepham v Williams, I don't think for a second Ash won't start in the Ireland game, nor would I blame Giggs for that decision. It may be that Ash comes good again this season and becomes a rock at the back for Stoke. But given the way he's played in the last year or so, and the apparent drop in his physical abilties, I can't see it personally. He's going to be 34 next week, I can't see him being anywhere near the level of Mepham by the time of Euro 2020. Maybe give him the Nations League games to see if he still has it, but I fully expect to see Mepham in the friendlies. Not one to blow my own trumpet, but I think the potential of last night's performance was evident from a while off. Allen would never have got into the space to play that pass into Lawrence had he had to carry Ledley in the team. Ampadu has made himself undroppable with his performance last night. Bravo Giggsy! |
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Post by ae15 on Sept 7, 2018 16:17:43 GMT
I agree with some of your points. Some parts of that game (before the first goal and after our final goal), we did concede possession a few times and I remember thinking that the Danes would have punished us for that. But I did put it down to inexperience, youth and towards the end, fatigue. Giggs admitted himself that there were mistakes and I'm sure he'll work on them. In the grand scheme of things, these mistakes were very minor and only worth mentioning in the context of preparations for the next game. Cannot fault them at all for tonight's display. They exceeded my expectations and more. The performance tonight has given me faith that a victory over the Danes is achievable. I expected us to get a tanking and was not really surprised at result.
Additionally I feel Wales had a point to prove as their world cup campaign was a dismal disaster, in part I believe because of a cockiness / over confidence at Euro16's performance. ROI coming to Cardiff and beating them rubbed salt into it.
Wales played better than expected but they couldn't have played worse than last year, with lots of good ball movement and Bale's goal was a great one to have seen. I genuinely wanted to see him play last year.
Randolph conceding at inside again and again was a disaster and worrying plus our inability to close players down. We were way too open at the back and confidence was not there.
What was more troubling is our continued inability to hold onto the ball once we have in plus Cyrus Christies belief that he can somehow cross the ball. Not seen him do it yet.
The internals before this game for the team were not good and think that is down to MON/RK. Their job is to build confidence among the players.
Personal belief is that RK made a comment to a number of players based on where they were born. Maybe right, maybe wrong but the unwillingness to actually address this is what goves cause for concern. He may believe it was in jest but as someone who knows many born in UK who are Irish it is not something people take lightly. Could be wrong and maybe I am finding something to fit the story.
At the moment their is a distinct lack of belief within the team, not helped by the internals.
I could be wrong but expect Declan Rice to come back on board as have always believed it was brought about by WMU pressure on him.
Some might criticise that, but I think you're bang on. There was a detrimental belief that was we took the lead in a game, we'd go onto win it. No ruthlessness against Moldova (when goal difference mattered), Georgia and Serbia where we should have comfortably won. Last night we were ruthless, and we could have still scored many more. |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 16:40:57 GMT
I just went on the YBIG forum to have a look what they thought of the game and one of them referred to us as 'english rats' lol oh dear me. think we touched a nerve on the emerald isle last night. One idiot. Stop looking for some salty tears from Irish fans, this nonsense happened after the match last year too. 95% of both sets of fans get on well with eachother, you get twats in every fan group. We were awful and I expected to lose by at least 2 but the lack of fight from us was really disappointing. Wales can only play what's in front of them and you did a great job, played some lovely stuff, job done. Best of luck against the Danes and see you in October. Met one of those muppets as walked back to where parked beside Asda.
Started to scream and shout at me about Poppies and James McClean. His 2 mates abandoned him quickly and 2 cops there acted including one saying to him, "McClean wasn't playing you ignorant muppet"........................... seemingly he wanted to back chat but got a shove from cops telling to keep walking or watch games on telly in the future.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Sept 7, 2018 16:48:23 GMT
Just over 25k if I remember correctly Which I though was a very poor attendance.
We had circa 1500 v 3000 last time but again this was known in advance.
Do you reckon the Irish fans will boycott the return fixture in Dublin if the management stays the same? Does this mean Wales will have a bigger away allocation? |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 16:50:49 GMT
Sorry to the Welsh lads for overtaking your forum on that. The contrary - we love to hear the opinions of others, whether its about Wales or the opposition. It would appear Ireland are at a low point in terms of quality available at the moment. Its cyclical, it will change, Ireland have had some great players in the past and im sure they will again. Its a very average team at the moment (from the outside looking in) so im not sure if MON was out, would it change much? Do you have the players to play a more attractive style? Playing Jon Walters up front sums up everything for me (a serviceable striker at best). Leicester were an average side couple of years ago.
It is making the most of what you have and currently management duo don't seem to be able to do that.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 16:55:20 GMT
The contrary - we love to hear the opinions of others, whether its about Wales or the opposition. It would appear Ireland are at a low point in terms of quality available at the moment. Its cyclical, it will change, Ireland have had some great players in the past and im sure they will again. Its a very average team at the moment (from the outside looking in) so im not sure if MON was out, would it change much? Do you have the players to play a more attractive style? Playing Jon Walters up front sums up everything for me (a serviceable striker at best). Leicester were an average side couple of years ago.
It is making the most of what you have and currently management duo don't seem to be able to do that.
No but would expect there to be comfortably more than the 25k in CCFC likely 40k
No I do not expect the Wales allocation to go up.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 16:59:21 GMT
To be honest, from my point of view, the calls for O'Neill to go are understandable only in light of the last two hammerings. When you look at the bigger picture and the last qualifying campaign in full, it's hard to fathom. Getting (no offence) that bunch of sloggers to a World Cup play off was an incredible feat. The way he plays isn't pretty but the cupboard is bare in terms of playing talent. IMO there are two ways to go, either back O'Neill and try and grind results out short term and hope something comes through, or do the full scale write-off of Irish chances and start again with a new, cheaper, possibly domestically-based manager. This second method is no guarantee of success either. It is how you play people and set them up that is important.
Fitness is not an international managers problem as they are fit.
You should be playing set up, set pieces and getting players to understand each other.
I understood again Denmark as he gambled but defensive mistakes are what cost us......
I think he has good players but NOT a team, previously we always had a Team and not always the best players.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Sept 7, 2018 17:00:20 GMT
I just went on the YBIG forum to have a look what they thought of the game and one of them referred to us as 'english rats' lol oh dear me. think we touched a nerve on the emerald isle last night. They were also calling us little englanders lol They were even questioning how many non welsh born players we had in the team bizarrely similar behaviour to the English/press they seem to despise while also supporting an english football club no doubt. |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2018 17:04:03 GMT
I just went on the YBIG forum to have a look what they thought of the game and one of them referred to us as 'english rats' lol oh dear me. think we touched a nerve on the emerald isle last night. They were also calling us little englanders lol They were even questioning how many non welsh born players we had in the team bizarrely similar behaviour to the English/press they seem to despise while also supporting an english football club no doubt. No worse than the abuse on here last year. |
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