Jack Vale

[erasedcitizen]

[saturn9]

Best of luck to the young man, hope he gets a dozen or so there. And hopefully come January a L1/2 club comes in for him

[dai]

National League? Bit underwhelming isn't it?

[erasedcitizen]

Sept 10, 2021 7:16:53 GMT dai said:

National League? Bit underwhelming isn't it?

Kieffer was loaned out from a non-league club at 24. If Jack has the drive and can keep his injuries away he'll make it.

[talyfan]

He'll get good minutes under his belt there hopefully. Good grounding as well for him.

Needs to play mens footy and conference is still a good standard for a young striker. Get a few goals there under his belt will put him in fine stead.

[gimli]

Sept 10, 2021 7:16:53 GMT dai said:

National League? Bit underwhelming isn't it?

Wasn't it the only option since the window has already closed for league clubs?

As mentioned above, hopefully he gets a decent amount of games (and goals) over the next couple of months and earns a better loan for himself in January.

[jimexotic]

Sept 10, 2021 7:16:53 GMT dai said:

National League? Bit underwhelming isn't it?

It is and it's easy for people to look at the likes of Vardy and Moore and get optimistic but for every Vardy or Moore there are 100 Janaai Gordon's. That said, hopefully he'll get games and, crucially, get goals. We need to move away from this strikers who don't score goals thing. I know we were partially spoiled in the past with some of the strikers we've had in the past but for the last 15 years there's been more Simon Church's (38 caps, 3 goals) than Bellamy's or Rush's, a lot more, a ridiculous amount more and it's only having a genuinely World Class talent like Bale saving and inspiring us on many occasions that's papered over this to a degree. If Jack Vale is scoring goals in that division, gets confidence and goes on to do it a higher level then we could be on to a winner but if he falls into that 1 in 4 at League One level that isn't going to cut it, especially when Bale and Ramsey aren't there.

[iot]

Sept 10, 2021 9:24:24 GMT jimexotic said:

Sept 10, 2021 7:16:53 GMT dai said:

National League? Bit underwhelming isn't it?

It is and it's easy for people to look at the likes of Vardy and Moore and get optimistic but for every Vardy or Moore there are 100 Janaai Gordon's. That said, hopefully he'll get games and, crucially, get goals. We need to move away from this strikers who don't score goals thing. I know we were partially spoiled in the past with some of the strikers we've had in the past but for the last 15 years there's been more Simon Church's (38 caps, 3 goals) than Bellamy's or Rush's, a lot more, a ridiculous amount more and it's only having a genuinely World Class talent like Bale saving and inspiring us on many occasions that's papered over this to a degree. If Jack Vale is scoring goals in that division, gets confidence and goes on to do it a higher level then we could be on to a winner but if he falls into that 1 in 4 at League One level that isn't going to cut it, especially when Bale and Ramsey aren't there.

Of course it's nice to have a good goalscorer in your CF, but it's not the be all and end all. In modern football, the role of the CF can be different - it certainly was when we had HRK whose role was primarily to bring the best out of our other attacking talents and that worked well. France won the world cup with, unless I'm mistaken, Giroud playing every game and not scoring a goal. There are countless examples of teams playing systems where their goal scoring threat is out wide or in attacking midfield areas, and their CF is primarily there to provide a focal point. 

If it's a decision between playing a poacher who's banging them in at the lower league level (but might not be able to replicate it in internationals) and isn't particularly good in creating room and chances for Bale/Rambo/Wilson, or going for someone like Mark Harris who's good at that but doesn't score himself, it's probably better to go for the latter. We need to avoid thinking about this in a simplistic way, we should look at it more holistically. 

[robwrecsam]

Harris came to Wrexham in the national league. Didn’t play as much as he should have but he seems to have improved. jack should get some good game time at Halifax

[superunknown]

Worth noting Brooks had a loan move to Halifax too. Game time the most important thing at this stage.

[fiveattheback]

Regular football in non league is better than bench warming in the EFL

[garynysmon]

He's a product of the TNS youth academy.

www.tnsfc.co.uk/2019/10/17/catching-up-with-jack-vale-following-his-wales-u-21-debut/

[jimexotic]

The Halifax manager sounds like he's going to be using him which is good. It sounds silly but I often worry about players going out on loan levels lower and not playing and it shattering their confidence, seen it so many times over the years.

www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/football/fc-halifax-town-shaymen-boss-wild-over-the-moon-as-striker-vale-joins-on-loan-3377856

[talyfan]

On the bench fro Blackburn this evening along with Ryan Hedges

[manulike]

JACK IS BACK!

On for last 8 minutes, and teaming up with our Ryan!

#DreamTeam

[iot]

Only preseason obviously, but Vale has been doing brilliantly at Blackburn. 2 goals and 2 assists in 3 games so far, and being talked up to start the first game of the season for them. Could definitely do with a decent striker coming through!

[manulike]

#TeamJack

[walesgolfmadrid]

Blackburn fan I know very confident he'll be a first teamer for them next season.

They've signed practically no-one (only one permanent signing last season as well) and quite a few have left (Rothwell to Bournemouth, Lenihan to Boro) so looks like they'll be turning to youth players next season, and Vale's probably at the top of the list to come through.

[saturn9]

Starts today v QPR. Looking forward to JimExotic scouring of local press for post match ratings for this season already😉

[manulike]

Great to see him start and he played 65'.
To be fair, didn't do much...

Ryan Hedges had an excellent game. Really involved in everything and got the only assist of the game.

George Thomas came on after 65' for QPR - the first time I saw him since his cameo in Dublin back in 2018 ...

[allezlesrouges]

Very encouraging. If he's a regular starter then all of a sudden we have a proper number 9 playing at Championship level

[iot]

Jul 30, 2022 19:06:18 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Very encouraging. If he's a regular starter then all of a sudden we have a proper number 9 playing at Championship level

Way too early to get excited. He had a great pre-season, but a very mediocre loan spell in the conference second half of last season where he failed to score a league goal. He got taken off after 60mins today after a quiet performance, so still lots for him to prove

[evans1282]

Jul 30, 2022 19:22:29 GMT iot said:

Jul 30, 2022 19:06:18 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Very encouraging. If he's a regular starter then all of a sudden we have a proper number 9 playing at Championship level

Way too early to get excited. He had a great pre-season, but a very mediocre loan spell in the conference second half of last season where he failed to score a league goal. He got taken off after 60mins today after a quiet performance, so still lots for him to prove

Getting excited is kinda what fans do,do I think we should draft him into the WC squad,of course not,I remember watching g his hat trick for the u21's and "getting excited",he's young and potential is for me something to get excited about.I remember Harry Wilson getting sent back early from his first loan at Crewe,didn't stop me being excited.I see it as the big difference between Wales supporters on the whole and other countries, we support our developing players because we know how quickly the pathway can open.Sure sometimes that potential fades,but we font forget them,the previously mentioned Harry Wilson a case in point.

[iot]

Jul 30, 2022 23:59:47 GMT evans1282 said:

Jul 30, 2022 19:22:29 GMT iot said:

Way too early to get excited. He had a great pre-season, but a very mediocre loan spell in the conference second half of last season where he failed to score a league goal. He got taken off after 60mins today after a quiet performance, so still lots for him to prove

Getting excited is kinda what fans do,do I think we should draft him into the WC squad,of course not,I remember watching g his hat trick for the u21's and "getting excited",he's young and potential is for me something to get excited about.I remember Harry Wilson getting sent back early from his first loan at Crewe,didn't stop me being excited.I see it as the big difference between Wales supporters on the whole and other countries, we support our developing players because we know how quickly the pathway can open.Sure sometimes that potential fades,but we font forget them,the previously mentioned Harry Wilson a case in point.

Each to their own. I personally find it frustrating when players are hyped up too early (something we're always happy to criticize another certain fanbase for by the way) with almost the expectation that the only way is up, and leading to a lot of disappointment. It also leads to unfair expectations - we've had recent examples where people have had a real go at Page for not selecting the likes of Jephcott, accusing him of having a closed shop, as though selecting Jepchott should have been a no brainer. For anyone interested on his actual development, he's scored 1 in 12 for our u21s, scored 10 in 39 for Plymouth last season and was on the bench in their opening game yesterday.

It's not like I'm being a 'Debbie Downer' for saying it's perhaps a little premature to get over excited about a player because he's had one championship appearance, which sounds like a pretty mediocre one to boot. 

[bale-droed]

Ched Evans came off the Bench in the championship. Red card after 8 minutes

WHY doesn’t page call him up!!!!!!!?? Contributed as much as Vale yesterday

[insertname]

Jul 31, 2022 19:07:33 GMT iot said:

Jul 30, 2022 23:59:47 GMT evans1282 said:

Getting excited is kinda what fans do,do I think we should draft him into the WC squad,of course not,I remember watching g his hat trick for the u21's and "getting excited",he's young and potential is for me something to get excited about.I remember Harry Wilson getting sent back early from his first loan at Crewe,didn't stop me being excited.I see it as the big difference between Wales supporters on the whole and other countries, we support our developing players because we know how quickly the pathway can open.Sure sometimes that potential fades,but we font forget them,the previously mentioned Harry Wilson a case in point.

Each to their own. I personally find it frustrating when players are hyped up too early (something we're always happy to criticize another certain fanbase for by the way) with almost the expectation that the only way is up, and leading to a lot of disappointment. It also leads to unfair expectations - we've had recent examples where people have had a real go at Page for not selecting the likes of Jephcott, accusing him of having a closed shop, as though selecting Jepchott should have been a no brainer. For anyone interested on his actual development, he's scored 1 in 12 for our u21s, scored 10 in 39 for Plymouth last season and was on the bench in their opening game yesterday.

It's not like I'm being a 'Debbie Downer' for saying it's perhaps a little premature to get over excited about a player because he's had one championship appearance, which sounds like a pretty mediocre one to boot. 

Spot on, if England fans were going overboard about an 18 year old this forum would have something to say about it.

At the end of the day we all know that there are plenty of kids who crop up, have a five minute spell where they might score a goal for the seniors and then never be heard from again so it really is a fool’s errand to big any youth player up. The failure rate is just too high.

[insertname]

Jul 31, 2022 19:27:32 GMT bale-droed said:

Ched Evans came off the Bench in the championship. Red card after 8 minutes

WHY doesn’t page call him up!!!!!!!?? Contributed as much as Vale yesterday

I know you’re being flippant but, personal life aside, CHED was very lucky to have been bought by Preston, really don’t think the latter stages of his career will be played at a high level.

[bale-droed]

Jul 31, 2022 19:30:09 GMT insertname said:

Jul 31, 2022 19:27:32 GMT bale-droed said:

Ched Evans came off the Bench in the championship. Red card after 8 minutes

WHY doesn’t page call him up!!!!!!!?? Contributed as much as Vale yesterday

I know you’re being flippant but, personal life aside, CHED was very lucky to have been bought by Preston, really don’t think the latter stages of his career will be played at a high level.

You know where he should go? Wrexham. Just down the road and according to salary report he earns 4.4k a week at Preston which again according to rumours is Mullins wages at Wrexham. Ched could score loads in conference/league 2.

[insertname]

Jul 31, 2022 19:37:02 GMT bale-droed said:

Jul 31, 2022 19:30:09 GMT insertname said:

I know you’re being flippant but, personal life aside, CHED was very lucky to have been bought by Preston, really don’t think the latter stages of his career will be played at a high level.

You know where he should go? Wrexham. Just down the road and according to salary report he earns 4.4k a week at Preston which again according to rumours is Mullins wages at Wrexham. Ched could score loads in conference/league 2.

I could see that happening actually. I don’t think he’s a championship striker at all but he might be too good for the conference so if Wrexham stumped up then they could be in business.

Saying that they didn’t seem to have any problems scoring last season. The problem is in the dug out and their defence, that’s where the owners need to spend.

[evans1282]

Jul 31, 2022 19:07:33 GMT iot said:

Jul 30, 2022 23:59:47 GMT evans1282 said:

Getting excited is kinda what fans do,do I think we should draft him into the WC squad,of course not,I remember watching g his hat trick for the u21's and "getting excited",he's young and potential is for me something to get excited about.I remember Harry Wilson getting sent back early from his first loan at Crewe,didn't stop me being excited.I see it as the big difference between Wales supporters on the whole and other countries, we support our developing players because we know how quickly the pathway can open.Sure sometimes that potential fades,but we font forget them,the previously mentioned Harry Wilson a case in point.

Each to their own. I personally find it frustrating when players are hyped up too early (something we're always happy to criticize another certain fanbase for by the way) with almost the expectation that the only way is up, and leading to a lot of disappointment. It also leads to unfair expectations - we've had recent examples where people have had a real go at Page for not selecting the likes of Jephcott, accusing him of having a closed shop, as though selecting Jepchott should have been a no brainer. For anyone interested on his actual development, he's scored 1 in 12 for our u21s, scored 10 in 39 for Plymouth last season and was on the bench in their opening game yesterday.

It's not like I'm being a 'Debbie Downer' for saying it's perhaps a little premature to get over excited about a player because he's had one championship appearance, which sounds like a pretty mediocre one to boot. 

As you say each to their own ,but I would say I don't get excited by all up and coming players and funnily enough,Jephcott is one that has yet to engage me when I've seen him.play.