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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 7, 2019 9:42:14 GMT
I believe it's 5 days til the squad is announced. Who's in everyone's 23? Here's mine (taking into account injuries)
GK: Hennessey, Ward, Davies
DEF: C.Roberts, Gunter, Williams, Mepham, Dummett, J. Lawrence, Lockyer, Davies, Taylor
MID: Ampadu, Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Vaulks
ATT: Wilson, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T. Lawrence, T. Roberts
My extras for the squad would be; Vokes, Woodburn, John and James. I would also have Chester over Lockyer if fit and available.
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Post by superunknown on Mar 7, 2019 11:24:41 GMT
Hard to argue with that. Depending on what type of formation we go with, I think I'd have Dan James over Lockyer. Apart from that, pretty much in agreement. Some exciting names in that squad.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 7, 2019 11:36:08 GMT
Hard to argue with that. Depending on what type of formation we go with, I think I'd have Dan James over Lockyer. Apart from that, pretty much in agreement. Some exciting names in that squad. Yeah it’s quite tempting to make it a top heavy squad with some of the names. I’m actually most excited to see if Vaulks gets picked. With King and Ledley out surely there is no one other than Vaulks who can step in? Assuming Lee Evans is still on the list of outcasts.
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Post by dai on Mar 7, 2019 11:42:55 GMT
I believe it's 5 days til the squad is announced. Who's in everyone's 23? Here's mine (taking into account injuries) GK: Hennessey, Ward, Davies DEF: C.Roberts, Gunter, Williams, Mepham, Dummett, J. Lawrence, Lockyer, Davies, Taylor MID: Ampadu, Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Vaulks ATT: Wilson, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T. Lawrence, T. Roberts My extras for the squad would be; Vokes, Woodburn, John and James. I would also have Chester over Lockyer if fit and available. I'd personally have D James over T Roberts. It's a bit scary how lightweight we are in midfield right now.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 7, 2019 12:10:25 GMT
I believe it's 5 days til the squad is announced. Who's in everyone's 23? Here's mine (taking into account injuries) GK: Hennessey, Ward, Davies DEF: C.Roberts, Gunter, Williams, Mepham, Dummett, J. Lawrence, Lockyer, Davies, Taylor MID: Ampadu, Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Vaulks ATT: Wilson, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T. Lawrence, T. Roberts My extras for the squad would be; Vokes, Woodburn, John and James. I would also have Chester over Lockyer if fit and available. I'd personally have D James over T Roberts. It's a bit scary how lightweight we are in midfield right now. Without T. Roberts though we wouldn't have any strikers in the squad. That's why he edges it for me. We are short in centre mid, we'll just have to hope for no injuries.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 7, 2019 12:30:26 GMT
Hennessey, Ward, Davies
C.Roberts, Gunter, Williams, Mepham, J.Lawrence, Rodon, Davies, Hughes
Ampadu, Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Vaulks
Wilson, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T.Roberts, James, Vokes
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 7, 2019 13:25:36 GMT
Hennessey, Ward, Davies C.Roberts, Gunter, Williams, Mepham, J.Lawrence, Rodon, Davies, Hughes Ampadu, Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Vaulks Wilson, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T.Roberts, James, Vokes Is Rodon fit/playing?
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Post by welshiron on Mar 7, 2019 13:36:35 GMT
Think the squad will initially be more like 28 players
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Post by alarch on Mar 7, 2019 16:14:53 GMT
It will be interesting to see how Vaulks fares - but it's very hard to make a case for a player playing for a Championship/League One club that plays route one football. Perhaps there's more to his game than his club pedigree suggests, but I can't see the haste in bringing him into the international fold. Jonny Williams - playing regularly for Charlton - would be a much safer selection, with the capability of playing wide in the middle or front three of a 4-3-3, which is Giggs' most likely formation.
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Post by cadno on Mar 7, 2019 19:21:50 GMT
Hennessey, Davies, Ward .
Gunter, Roberts, Mepham, Lockyer, A.Williams, Davies, Taylor .
Ampadu, Ramsey, J.Lawrence, Allen, Smith, J.Williams.
Bale, Vokes, Brooks, D.James, Wilson, T.Lawrence, T.Roberts
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 7, 2019 19:38:54 GMT
Hennessey, Davies, Ward . Gunter, Roberts, Mepham, Lockyer, A.Williams, Davies, Taylor . Ampadu, Ramsey, J.Lawrence, Allen, Smith, J.Williams. Bale, Vokes, Brooks, D.James, Wilson, T.Lawrence, T.Roberts Swap Williams with Matondo and I'd agree. It makes sense to go top heavy with the amount of talent we have there, and a few of those forward lads can play at the front of a midfield 3 if needed with Ramsey dropping deeper. Vokes isn't in the best of form scoring wise, but bringing him on gives us the option to get some balls in the box for him to hopefully get on the end on as a plan Z. My starting XI for Slovakia would be: Hennessey Roberts Mepham Williams Davies Allen Ampadu Brooks Ramsey Wilson Bale
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Post by cadno on Mar 7, 2019 19:59:08 GMT
Hennessey, Davies, Ward . Gunter, Roberts, Mepham, Lockyer, A.Williams, Davies, Taylor . Ampadu, Ramsey, J.Lawrence, Allen, Smith, J.Williams. Bale, Vokes, Brooks, D.James, Wilson, T.Lawrence, T.Roberts Swap Williams with Matondo and I'd agree. It makes sense to go top heavy with the amount of talent we have there, and a few of those forward lads can play at the front of a midfield 3 if needed with Ramsey dropping deeper. Vokes isn't in the best of form scoring wise, but bringing him on gives us the option to get some balls in the box for him to hopefully get on the end on as a plan Z. My starting XI for Slovakia would be: Hennessey Roberts Mepham Williams Davies Allen Ampadu Brooks Ramsey Wilson Bale We deffo need Vokes, we haven't really got anyone else like him! I agree with that team. Or I'd go 3-4-3 box ... Ramsey brooks Bale rotating up top. Hennessey Mepham Ash Ampadu Roberts Smith Allen Davies Brooks Bale Ramsey
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 7, 2019 20:22:37 GMT
Swap Williams with Matondo and I'd agree. It makes sense to go top heavy with the amount of talent we have there, and a few of those forward lads can play at the front of a midfield 3 if needed with Ramsey dropping deeper. Vokes isn't in the best of form scoring wise, but bringing him on gives us the option to get some balls in the box for him to hopefully get on the end on as a plan Z. My starting XI for Slovakia would be: Hennessey Roberts Mepham Williams Davies Allen Ampadu Brooks Ramsey Wilson Bale We deffo need Vokes, we haven't really got anyone else like him! I agree with that team. Or I'd go 3-4-3 box ... Ramsey brooks Bale rotating up top. Hennessey Mepham Ash Ampadu Roberts Smith Allen Davies Brooks Bale Ramsey I think this team has a lot of potential. I really like it. Especially away from home!
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 8, 2019 7:57:22 GMT
Unfortunately and it pains me to say it, i think I've finally given up on Johnny Williams. He's 25 now and has played hardly any games. A few decent games at L1 is not enough to warrant a place in my humble opinion and a lot of other players are way ahead of him now.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 8, 2019 11:06:13 GMT
It will be interesting to see how Vaulks fares - but it's very hard to make a case for a player playing for a Championship/League One club that plays route one football. Perhaps there's more to his game than his club pedigree suggests, but I can't see the haste in bringing him into the international fold. Jonny Williams - playing regularly for Charlton - would be a much safer selection, with the capability of playing wide in the middle or front three of a 4-3-3, which is Giggs' most likely formation. Every side needs a more defensive midfielder, Williams can't do that. Vaulks deserves a chance to show what he can do
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Post by welshiron on Mar 8, 2019 11:43:46 GMT
It will be interesting to see how Vaulks fares - but it's very hard to make a case for a player playing for a Championship/League One club that plays route one football. Perhaps there's more to his game than his club pedigree suggests, but I can't see the haste in bringing him into the international fold. Jonny Williams - playing regularly for Charlton - would be a much safer selection, with the capability of playing wide in the middle or front three of a 4-3-3, which is Giggs' most likely formation. Every side needs a more defensive midfielder, Williams can't do that. Vaulks deserves a chance to show what he can do Not sure he merits a chance. He is 25 and Rotheram has been his pinnacle Hoped we were beyond those days and have Allen, Ampadu and Smith and possibly Ledley later in qualifying.
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Post by dai on Mar 8, 2019 12:18:25 GMT
Every side needs a more defensive midfielder, Williams can't do that. Vaulks deserves a chance to show what he can do Not sure he merits a chance. He is 25 and Rotheram has been his pinnacle
Hoped we were beyond those days and have Allen, Ampadu and Smith and possibly Ledley later in qualifying. Fair point, but what happens if we get a few more injuries in midfield? We need to have back up, and those backups need some experience. We don't seem to have anyone coming through so people like Vaulks need to be tested. Doesn't James Lawrence play DM as well?
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 8, 2019 12:33:22 GMT
Every side needs a more defensive midfielder, Williams can't do that. Vaulks deserves a chance to show what he can do Not sure he merits a chance. He is 25 and Rotheram has been his pinnacle Hoped we were beyond those days and have Allen, Ampadu and Smith and possibly Ledley later in qualifying. Never seen him play (or even heard of him til last week) and I’m normally in the ‘make our playing pool as big a possible to give us more options’ camp but I agree that I thought we were past the days of lower league journeymen. Happy to give him a chance but the others Anglos we’ve capped lately like Smith, Ampadu, Brooks, Woodburn, Matondo, etc seem to be different class with the top 6 Premier League clubs
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 8, 2019 12:53:36 GMT
There’s always Welsh born n bred Lee Evans playing at the same level.
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Post by dai on Mar 8, 2019 13:05:13 GMT
There’s always Welsh born n bred Lee Evans playing at the same level. Well exactly, but it seems Giggs doesn't like him.
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Post by Tyler75 on Mar 8, 2019 14:10:16 GMT
Daniel James been on fire recently - absolute no brainer for the squad. Vaulks? really not sure about him. Decent Championship player, but International standard?
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Post by welshiron on Mar 8, 2019 14:18:13 GMT
Not sure he merits a chance. He is 25 and Rotheram has been his pinnacle
Hoped we were beyond those days and have Allen, Ampadu and Smith and possibly Ledley later in qualifying. Fair point, but what happens if we get a few more injuries in midfield? We need to have back up, and those backups need some experience. We don't seem to have anyone coming through so people like Vaulks need to be tested. Doesn't James Lawrence play DM as well? I would rather bring through another youngster if needed.
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Post by welwyn on Mar 8, 2019 15:09:12 GMT
Thought Vokes was injured?
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Post by dai on Mar 8, 2019 15:40:16 GMT
Fair point, but what happens if we get a few more injuries in midfield? We need to have back up, and those backups need some experience. We don't seem to have anyone coming through so people like Vaulks need to be tested. Doesn't James Lawrence play DM as well? I would rather bring through another youngster if needed. I agree, but nobody's coming through in midfield.
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Post by alarch on Mar 8, 2019 15:53:31 GMT
Unfortunately and it pains me to say it, i think I've finally given up on Johnny Williams. He's 25 now and has played hardly any games. A few decent games at L1 is not enough to warrant a place in my humble opinion and a lot of other players are way ahead of him now. I think that you've "finally given up on Jonny Williams" says more about you than it does about Jonny Williams. As you say he's just 25, a month younger than Will Faulks, who is suddenly the bright new shiny thing. If Jonny Williams is included in the squad it will rightly be as a squad member, with the T & T game in mind principally. That game should be treated as a B international, with only those senior players in need of game time starting the game (notably Ashley Williams, Gunter, Taylor and Tyler Roberts). The wider question for me is what kind of approach are we going to adopt under Giggs? The games against China and the first outing against ROI augured so well, whereas the tactical approach in both games against Denmark fell well short, especially with a naïve 4-4-2 in the first game giving Denmark a free ride to boss the central areas where they're strongest. I'm guessing (or is that hoping?) that the 4-3-3 that we adopted against ROI will be the preferred formation, given how well it worked in that game, and how it probably makes best use of our playing resource. With a 4-3-3 in mind we need cover in each of these positions. We have a number of options in the wide positions up front, in any of Bale, Brooks, Wilson, Lawrence, Woodburn, James and Matondo (in roughly diminishing order) to choose from. That's a decent set of options. We struggle more with the centre forward position, with only Tyler Roberts and Vokes as genuine strikers to choose from, although Bale can obviously play centrally. We also have plenty of options as the holding, central mid in the midfield trio. Allen, Ampadu, Smith and Ledley can all play this role, although I'm not sure that Ledley has the mobility to do the job as well in a midfield three as opposed to a two with Allen alongside him. Where we struggle more is with the positions wide of the anchoring defensive mid. Ramsey is a given, and Allen is also suited to a role that marries defensive and offensive responsibilities in equal measure. But apart from these two there aren't obvious candidates - although Smith can probably to a job. This is where Jonny Williams comes into the picture as cover - as he's proved that he has the work ethic and technical ability to operate in congested midfield areas. Perhaps it's with a view to looking for cover for the likes of Ramsey, i.e. a box-to-box midifielder, that Giggs has been looking at Vaulks. He may turn out to be a late developer (Vardy, Ian Wright, Teddy Sheringham spring to mind as outstanding late developers for England), and if he was playing for Brentford I'd be very interested in seeing how he stands up to scrutiny. But with him playing for route one Rotherham (bottom of the Championship league on completed passes and pass accuracy) I wonder what it is that makes Giggs think that he has the requisite quality to play alongside Ramsey, Bale and Allen? I'll keep an open mind, but I would have been much happier had Giggs travelled a further 12 miles east last Saturday and watched Jonny Williams and Aaron Lewis perform. That would reassure me about the direction he wants to take Wales.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 9, 2019 22:41:45 GMT
We'll probably have a squad larger than 23 so there's no harm in including him in the squad imo
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Post by jonathandearth on Mar 10, 2019 11:56:15 GMT
I can't see why Vaulks ot Lockyer should be anywhere near the squad. Bristol Rovers are 19th in Division 1 - why would you want a player of that standard in the squad. Gunter doesn't deserve to be in the squad either on current form. Nor Neil Taylor. Not sure why Keiron Freeman isn't favoured - he could be a Premiership player next season Is Tom Lawrence & Rodon unfit? GK: Hennessey, Ward, Davies DEF: C.Roberts, B. Davies, Williams, Mepham, Ampadu, Dummett, J. Lawrence, Hughes, Freeman MID: Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Evans, Wilson ATT: Vokes, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T. Roberts, James Slovakia & starting line up for Trinidad & Tobago - 5 at the back for me:Hennessey
Freeman Mepham Ampadu Davies Dummett
Brooks Ramsey Allen
Roberts Bale
End the Trinidad & Tobago match with:Ward
Roberts Laurence Williams Dummett Hughes
Wilson Smith Allen
Matondo James
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Post by welshiron on Mar 10, 2019 12:40:44 GMT
Think freeman should play in the friendly also Hughes
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Post by zenith on Mar 10, 2019 12:53:45 GMT
I can't see why Vaulks ot Lockyer should be anywhere near the squad. Bristol Rovers are 19th in Division 1 - why would you want a player of that standard in the squad. Gunter doesn't deserve to be in the squad either on current form. Nor Neil Taylor. Not sure why Keiron Freeman isn't favoured - he could be a Premiership player next season Is Tom Lawrence & Rodon unfit? GK: Hennessey, Ward, Davies DEF: C.Roberts, B. Davies, Williams, Mepham, Ampadu, Dummett, J. Lawrence, Hughes, Freeman MID: Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Evans, Wilson ATT: Vokes, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T. Roberts, James Slovakia & starting line up for Trinidad & Tobago - 5 at the back for me:Hennessey
Freeman Mepham Ampadu Davies Dummett
Brooks Ramsey Allen
Roberts Bale
End the Trinidad & Tobago match with:Ward
Roberts Laurence Williams Dummett Hughes
Wilson Smith Allen
Matondo James
Freeman was absolutely dire in the Sheffield derby on Monday and was left out of the squad yesterday, says it all really. Gunter is a better backup to Roberts than Freeman is at international level.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 10, 2019 13:01:12 GMT
I can't see why Vaulks ot Lockyer should be anywhere near the squad. Bristol Rovers are 19th in Division 1 - why would you want a player of that standard in the squad. Gunter doesn't deserve to be in the squad either on current form. Nor Neil Taylor. Not sure why Keiron Freeman isn't favoured - he could be a Premiership player next season Is Tom Lawrence & Rodon unfit? GK: Hennessey, Ward, Davies DEF: C.Roberts, B. Davies, Williams, Mepham, Ampadu, Dummett, J. Lawrence, Hughes, Freeman MID: Allen, Ramsey, Smith, Evans, Wilson ATT: Vokes, Brooks, Bale, Matondo, T. Roberts, James Slovakia & starting line up for Trinidad & Tobago - 5 at the back for me:Hennessey
Freeman Mepham Ampadu Davies Dummett
Brooks Ramsey Allen
Roberts Bale
End the Trinidad & Tobago match with:Ward
Roberts Laurence Williams Dummett Hughes
Wilson Smith Allen
Matondo James
Who on earth is Hughes?
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