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Post by barry on Aug 25, 2019 19:14:54 GMT
Cooper is turning out to be a very good manager.
Very comfortable in his first club job.
Future Wales manager?
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 26, 2019 9:33:42 GMT
Cooper is turning out to be a very good manager. Very comfortable in his first club job. Future Wales manager? If he carries on like this then yes please.
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Post by barry on Aug 26, 2019 23:52:24 GMT
Cooper is turning out to be a very good manager. Very comfortable in his first club job. Future Wales manager? If he carries on like this then yes please. He can do nothing wrong at the mo. Made a seemingly strange sub at half-time to bring on a RB to play at LB who then subsequently scored to break the deadlock. Big test for him will be when the inevitable rough period arrives.
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Post by wirralwelsh on Jul 26, 2020 23:58:32 GMT
I don't get the flack Cooper gets on here. Considering they sold their two top players end of last season and he was given no money to reinvest in the squad I think he's worked wonders getting them this far. I think Swans fans were spoilt a bit by the Michu era and have unrealistic expectations about their club these days.
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Post by quetzal on Jul 27, 2020 2:20:49 GMT
I don't get the flack Cooper gets on here. Considering they sold their two top players end of last season and he was given no money to reinvest in the squad I think he's worked wonders getting them this far. I think Swans fans were spoilt a bit by the Michu era and have unrealistic expectations about their club these days. He has done wonders really. The American owners are not the best.
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 27, 2020 8:08:02 GMT
I don't get the flack Cooper gets on here. Considering they sold their two top players end of last season and he was given no money to reinvest in the squad I think he's worked wonders getting them this far. I think Swans fans were spoilt a bit by the Michu era and have unrealistic expectations about their club these days. He doesn't make many subs though, which has led to us conceding so many late goals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 10:06:11 GMT
I don't get the flack Cooper gets on here. Considering they sold their two top players end of last season and he was given no money to reinvest in the squad I think he's worked wonders getting them this far. I think Swans fans were spoilt a bit by the Michu era and have unrealistic expectations about their club these days. Let me explain it then. It's not so much about being spoiled by the Michu era, but the Potter era. We were very good in the second half of last season once the kids had time to bed in and we'd settled on a system of play. Performances were good, with results let down by the worst set piece defensive record in the division (dodgy choice of keeper). Had we found the formula earlier playoffs were there for the taking. That's what Cooper inherited. The team lost a few big players (McBurnie, James) and a few experienced ones (Fer, Olsson though both were hampered by long term injuries and outperformed by others who stayed) but gained roughly equivalent manpower in return, and kept players of the year Matt Grimes and Mike van der Hoorn. Andre Ayew ought to be a beast at Championship level given his £80k/week wage packet, and his goal return now backs that up. Last season's squad a year older and more experienced, it's not the downgrade in playing staff people seem to imagine. Potter was making do with Carthorse Baker-Richardson up front for parts of last season. 17 apps, 6 of which were starts. Cooper got Borja, and brought in two PL youth players of his choosing in Surridge and Brewster, the former of whom was unfortunately useless. The table doesn't tell the whole story. Results were exceptional in the first month of the season. Patchy performances benefiting from wasteful finishing (Bamford take a bow) but you take 5 wins in 6 games any day. But from then until the season was put on hold it was near-relegation fare. 1.1/1.2 points per game. No wins against top half ("playoff rival") sides. Beat Charlton, Boro, Luton, Wigan, Huddersfield and Cardiff when they were really struggling. That's the whole list over 31 games and 6 months of football. Any good side in form we looked poor and scraped the odd draw. QPR battered us 5-1 in the FA Cup and Brandon Cooper looked our best player, the only one who cared. Any run of form that long and consistent will have fans complaining. A blessing then that this league is full of bottlers this season. Our total of 70 points would see us finish 8th/9th most seasons. It's the lowest points total needed to qualify for the playoffs since Leicester did it with 68 in 12/13 (which is I think the lowest ever). Similarly getting relegated with 49 is harsh, usually mid-40s is safe. We got results when it's mattered post-return, but even then you have to look at how much our performances have improved since changing to the wingbacks system, which he would not have done had injuries not demanded it. There was no deviation from the 4-2-3-1 all season previous. He's a very rigid, British-style manager who sticks with what he knows even if it isn't working. Or as he would say "focusing on us". And yes, Swansea have been spoiled in that regard, with all our success coming from more inventing, continental-types I would say. If we go up fantastic, build him a ghastly statue, but this season has put me in mind of Garry Monk's spell more than anything. An erosion of footballing quality delivering short-term success on the table. Monk finished 8th in the PL and was then was sacked by Christmas, and we struggled for years after.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 10:11:45 GMT
I don't get the flack Cooper gets on here. Considering they sold their two top players end of last season and he was given no money to reinvest in the squad I think he's worked wonders getting them this far. I think Swans fans were spoilt a bit by the Michu era and have unrealistic expectations about their club these days. He has done wonders really. The American owners are not the best. They're honestly fine as football club owners go. Don't take dividends, aren't saddling the club with unmanageable debt, the chairman just has a brief to get the place sustainable and is left to get on with it. The EFL would be a healthier place if every club had the same attitude.
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Post by alarch on Jul 27, 2020 13:40:37 GMT
I don't get the flack Cooper gets on here. Considering they sold their two top players end of last season and he was given no money to reinvest in the squad I think he's worked wonders getting them this far. I think Swans fans were spoilt a bit by the Michu era and have unrealistic expectations about their club these days. Let me explain it then. It's not so much about being spoiled by the Michu era, but the Potter era. We were very good in the second half of last season once the kids had time to bed in and we'd settled on a system of play. Performances were good, with results let down by the worst set piece defensive record in the division (dodgy choice of keeper). Had we found the formula earlier playoffs were there for the taking. That's what Cooper inherited. The team lost a few big players (McBurnie, James) and a few experienced ones (Fer, Olsson though both were hampered by long term injuries and outperformed by others who stayed) but gained roughly equivalent manpower in return, and kept players of the year Matt Grimes and Mike van der Hoorn. Andre Ayew ought to be a beast at Championship level given his £80k/week wage packet, and his goal return now backs that up. Last season's squad a year older and more experienced, it's not the downgrade in playing staff people seem to imagine. Potter was making do with Carthorse Baker-Richardson up front for parts of last season. 17 apps, 6 of which were starts. Cooper got Borja, and brought in two PL youth players of his choosing in Surridge and Brewster, the former of whom was unfortunately useless. The table doesn't tell the whole story. Results were exceptional in the first month of the season. Patchy performances benefiting from wasteful finishing (Bamford take a bow) but you take 5 wins in 6 games any day. But from then until the season was put on hold it was near-relegation fare. 1.1/1.2 points per game. No wins against top half ("playoff rival") sides. Beat Charlton, Boro, Luton, Wigan, Huddersfield and Cardiff when they were really struggling. That's the whole list over 31 games and 6 months of football. Any good side in form we looked poor and scraped the odd draw. QPR battered us 5-1 in the FA Cup and Brandon Cooper looked our best player, the only one who cared. Any run of form that long and consistent will have fans complaining. A blessing then that this league is full of bottlers this season. Our total of 70 points would see us finish 8th/9th most seasons. It's the lowest points total needed to qualify for the playoffs since Leicester did it with 68 in 12/13 (which is I think the lowest ever). Similarly getting relegated with 49 is harsh, usually mid-40s is safe. We got results when it's mattered post-return, but even then you have to look at how much our performances have improved since changing to the wingbacks system, which he would not have done had injuries not demanded it. There was no deviation from the 4-2-3-1 all season previous. He's a very rigid, British-style manager who sticks with what he knows even if it isn't working. Or as he would say "focusing on us". And yes, Swansea have been spoiled in that regard, with all our success coming from more inventing, continental-types I would say. If we go up fantastic, build him a ghastly statue, but this season has put me in mind of Garry Monk's spell more than anything. An erosion of footballing quality delivering short-term success on the table. Monk finished 8th in the PL and was then was sacked by Christmas, and we struggled for years after. Excellent post, albeit a bit harsh on Surridge. To be fair to Cooper Swansea have largely played something resembling the trademark Swansea Way since the switch to wing backs, with much more reliance on short-passing triangles to build play from the back than was the case for most of the season. The fact that the change of system was forced on Cooper by adverse circumstances does make me sceptical that it will last. I can certainly understand why neutrals might consider Swansea fans a bit precious, but once you've been taught to distinguish fool's gold from the real thing... But you never know, perhaps Cooper, inexperienced as he is, has learned the Swansea Way on the job. Here's hoping.
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Post by hooky on Jan 31, 2021 14:09:35 GMT
What an amazing manager!
No money to work with. He does not moan and gets on with it. Furthermore, he not only seems to have used his previous contact with England youngsters to secure the services of many promising youngsters, but he also seems to get the best out of them / a consistently high standard. To think they are so string defensively despite losing Rodon!
I wish he were manager of Wales! If Swansea qualify automatically it will be an incredible effort from him. The American owners will take credit for it - but they were taking Swansea downhill. The ironic thing is they probably hired Cooper as a cheap option!
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 21, 2021 11:03:27 GMT
Officially appointed the manager of Forest. I’m confident he’ll get them out of trouble.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 21, 2021 13:31:08 GMT
I have a feeling that one day he may be managing us
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Post by saturn9 on Sept 21, 2021 13:51:52 GMT
Officially appointed the manager of Forest. I’m confident he’ll get them out of trouble. Wouldn't be surprised to see Rodon go out on loan in January to Forest. If, he's not getting game time under Santo by then.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 21, 2021 20:14:25 GMT
I have a feeling that one day he may be managing us Pipe dream, we won't be able to afford him. Giggs was our once in a generation, big money hire.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 6, 2021 21:55:51 GMT
One defeat in nine and a thumping win today. Doing well at Forest fair play.
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Post by insertname on Nov 7, 2021 7:06:25 GMT
One defeat in nine and a thumping win today. Doing well at Forest fair play. Like Nathan Jones, it’s safe money to back Cooper to be Wales manager at some point but not this decade, probably not the next either. Even so I like the idea that there are some quality contenders emerging even if they will want to milk their relevance at FL level before even considering the Wales job and that’s fair enough. If you looked around when Giggs was hired there were very few credible names in the reckoning. It’s just not a job that will demand the attention of a manager in demand because of the pay and the profile.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 7, 2021 11:01:07 GMT
One defeat in nine and a thumping win today. Doing well at Forest fair play. Like Nathan Jones, it’s safe money to back Cooper to be Wales manager at some point but not this decade, probably not the next either. Even so I like the idea that there are some quality contenders emerging even if they will want to milk their relevance at FL level before even considering the Wales job and that’s fair enough. If you looked around when Giggs was hired there were very few credible names in the reckoning. It’s just not a job that will demand the attention of a manager in demand because of the pay and the profile. Good points
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Post by ih65 on Nov 7, 2021 11:23:31 GMT
If / when Giggs leaves in 2022, who are the main candidates for the Wales manager position then?
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Post by iot on Nov 7, 2021 11:37:41 GMT
I doubt we have the resource to bring in anyone who's doing well at Championship level. We just can't compete with what championship clubs can offer. The likes of Steve Cooper and Nathan Jones didn't make much money as players, so I can't see them taking on the Wales job for the half salary they could get in the championship.
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Post by insertname on Nov 7, 2021 15:32:45 GMT
I doubt we have the resource to bring in anyone who's doing well at Championship level. We just can't compete with what championship clubs can offer. The likes of Steve Cooper and Nathan Jones didn't make much money as players, so I can't see them taking on the Wales job for the half salary they could get in the championship. They’ll both need Wales at some point, when their careers are on the way down but with managers in the twilight of their careers there is always the danger that their career is in decline because they employ out of date ideas. Certainly I think we can all agree that a there isn’t much to attract an up and coming manager in the championship to the Wales job, or international football in general unless it’s a high profile country or big money being offered. A hungry manager at the start of their career will want the day to day work on the training ground to work on their footballing philosophy
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Post by iot on Nov 7, 2021 18:54:52 GMT
I doubt we have the resource to bring in anyone who's doing well at Championship level. We just can't compete with what championship clubs can offer. The likes of Steve Cooper and Nathan Jones didn't make much money as players, so I can't see them taking on the Wales job for the half salary they could get in the championship. They’ll both need Wales at some point, when their careers are on the way down but with managers in the twilight of their careers there is always the danger that their career is in decline because they employ out of date ideas. Certainly I think we can all agree that a there isn’t much to attract an up and coming manager in the championship to the Wales job, or international football in general unless it’s a high profile country or big money being offered. A hungry manager at the start of their career will want the day to day work on the training ground to work on their footballing philosophy Yes that's what I meant. I don't think they'll come to us in the next few years whilst they're on the up. They might come later down the line when they're ideas start to get dated, as you say, which is no good for us
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Post by quetzal on Dec 11, 2021 16:58:50 GMT
Next Cymru manager
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 11, 2021 17:10:27 GMT
He must have enjoyed that thumping win today
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Post by saturn9 on Dec 11, 2021 18:33:03 GMT
He must have enjoyed that thumping win today I was there today. Forest a different team in the second half, swans had enough chances to get at least a point. But this tiki taka brand of football is beginning to bore the crap out of me. Brennan a menace all game, and scored.
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Post by georgetm1 on Dec 12, 2021 15:17:00 GMT
Hopefully Steve Cooper will become Wales manager one day. The way he has totally flipped Forest into a crack squad of players after how shite they were before he joined, shows me he is a manager and a half.
He would be f'ing awesome as manager for Wales one day.
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Post by welshrover on Dec 12, 2021 16:39:47 GMT
Hopefully Steve Cooper will become Wales manager one day. The way he has totally flipped Forest into a crack squad of players after how shite they were before he joined, shows me he is a manager and a half. He would be f'ing awesome as manager for Wales one day. Not taking anything away from Cooper but you do wonder though if the players had "stopped" playing for Houghton in the way Man U players did with Jose. The same group of players don't go from rubbish to really good overnight.
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Post by insertname on Dec 13, 2021 4:50:59 GMT
The interesting thing with Cooper is his previous connection to England. Just imagine he does a Graham Potter and becomes so good that he establishes himself at Prem level playing very good football on a budget: is it possible that he is then more likely to manage England than Wales? Of course at the moment it’s the stuff of fantasy but seeing how Potter has been mooted as a successor to Southgate should Southgate take a club role imo having this conversation in a few years if Cooper continues developing the way he is is a likely outcome. Also there is the added factor of him having managed some of the England players who would be in their prime by the time he would be in a position to be an eligible candidate.
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Post by paj on Dec 13, 2021 8:13:36 GMT
Cooper may make it to the prem but it won’t be by playing very good football. Organised and pragmatic yes but nothing like potter.
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Post by llan123 on Dec 13, 2021 10:41:31 GMT
Forest have been horrid for years and have so many players brought in by different managers, Cooper is doing amazingly well. Its beggars belief the Swans got rid of him at the behest of the most unrealistic fanbase. When you consider the three teams that finished above them are now in the Premier League he did a remarkable job. I was listening to Call Rob the other day and some fans now want Martin out.
Id love Cooper to manage us but I don't think we can compete with premier league teams for managers. Cooper/Potter are going to be in demand by a lot of clubs throughout their career, we don't seem to hire managers (due to salary constraints) who are in demand by both premier league or championship clubs. We aren't fishing in the same pool im afraid.
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Post by hooky on Dec 18, 2021 17:05:07 GMT
Steve Copper must be a terrible manager
Gets England U17 a World Cup
Youngsters thrive under him and trust him
Gets an under resourced Swansea team to the play offs twice in a row
Takes off Nottingham Forest and has already taken them to 7th from the relegation zone.
Fans as so precious. I don't think Forest are playing boring stuff. The difference is they have a player like Brennan Johnson who has a bit of stardust. Perhaps Cooper used the only system that would get Swansea results.
Am sure Swansea made a great decision to effectively cold shouldering Cooper. He will get to the Premiership one way or another.
The lesson is whenever you have an over achieving manager always back him!
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