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Post by insertname on May 29, 2022 17:35:37 GMT
How on Earth was that penalty for Huddersfield not given after VAR? Mental. That aside Huddersfield were pretty poor for a Championship off final. Well done to Steve Cooper, amazing turnaround he’s achieved there.
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Post by insertname on May 29, 2022 17:36:03 GMT
Incredible, just incredible. Forest captain talking about him now, Cooper's very loved by the team and the fans. Why on earth did Swansea let him go...... He wanted to leave iirc
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Post by dai on May 29, 2022 17:37:48 GMT
Incredible, just incredible. Forest captain talking about him now, Cooper's very loved by the team and the fans. Why on earth did Swansea let him go...... He wanted to leave iirc oh was it? Thought he was pushed out, or sacked. RE Penalty, yep, incredible how that wasn't given. You see softer pens all the time.
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Post by insertname on May 29, 2022 18:09:46 GMT
oh was it? Thought he was pushed out, or sacked. RE Penalty, yep, incredible how that wasn't given. You see softer pens all the time. I get the impression he wanted to manage a club that was able to display more ambition with finance than work under the constraints at Swansea. I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure at the end of the day it was Cooper’s decision to take a chance on his stock being high enough that he could do better than Swansea rather than vice versa
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Post by saturn9 on May 29, 2022 20:21:13 GMT
oh was it? Thought he was pushed out, or sacked. RE Penalty, yep, incredible how that wasn't given. You see softer pens all the time. I get the impression he wanted to manage a club that was able to display more ambition with finance than work under the constraints at Swansea. I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure at the end of the day it was Cooper’s decision to take a chance on his stock being high enough that he could do better than Swansea rather than vice versa Had a lot of time for Cooper's time at Swansea, enjoyed the football that included Ayew, a motivated Mcburnie scoring goals. Not his fault that he wasn't backed by by the owners lack of ambition/investment.
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Post by jbt95 on May 29, 2022 20:50:09 GMT
I get the impression he wanted to manage a club that was able to display more ambition with finance than work under the constraints at Swansea. I might be wrong but I’m pretty sure at the end of the day it was Cooper’s decision to take a chance on his stock being high enough that he could do better than Swansea rather than vice versa Had a lot of time for Cooper's time at Swansea, enjoyed the football that included Ayew, a motivated Mcburnie scoring goals. Not his fault that he wasn't backed by by the owners lack of ambition/investment. McBurnie was under Potter.
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Post by jbt95 on May 29, 2022 20:51:08 GMT
Happy for the guy, I think they’ll do well next season.
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Post by welshrover on May 29, 2022 21:37:44 GMT
Had a lot of time for Cooper's time at Swansea, enjoyed the football that included Ayew, a motivated Mcburnie scoring goals. Not his fault that he wasn't backed by by the owners lack of ambition/investment. McBurnie was under Potter. I think we should keep their personal life secret 🙂
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Post by stevej on May 29, 2022 22:12:53 GMT
I'm delighted for Steve Cooper and what he's achieved today. I always like to see our ex players and managers achieve success after they leave us.
However, when he left us in the summer I think it was best for all concerned. He came within 90 mins of getting us back into the premier league but realistically with the likes of ayew and guehi not returning for this season then the only way was down.
For the older swans fans like myself the football played under him was only matched or bettered in a negative sense by the John Hollins team of the late 90s. If we had won the play off final last year nobody would have complained but dropping down the championship table this season coupled with the brand of football his team mostly played, he would have been under pressure in a short period of time.
In the absence of parachute money and the premier league legacy players (ie, ayew) then a return to the 'swansea way' realistically has to be one of the best ways forward. I've enjoyed this season even taking into account a number of heavy defeats. Without being romantic about it, a distinctive style was what got us to the prem in 2011 and after last year's play off final defeat is the most realistic chance of us getting back there again.
On a personal level I have no problem is us taking 60 plus points playing good football in the championship for the foreseeable future.
Well done Steve Cooper, enjoy 👍
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Post by pclaude on May 30, 2022 8:01:54 GMT
I'm delighted for Steve Cooper and what he's achieved today. I always like to see our ex players and managers achieve success after they leave us. However, when he left us in the summer I think it was best for all concerned. He came within 90 mins of getting us back into the premier league but realistically with the likes of ayew and guehi not returning for this season then the only way was down. For the older swans fans like myself the football played under him was only matched or bettered in a negative sense by the John Hollins team of the late 90s. If we had won the play off final last year nobody would have complained but dropping down the championship table this season coupled with the brand of football his team mostly played, he would have been under pressure in a short period of time. In the absence of parachute money and the premier league legacy players (ie, ayew) then a return to the 'swansea way' realistically has to be one of the best ways forward. I've enjoyed this season even taking into account a number of heavy defeats. Without being romantic about it, a distinctive style was what got us to the prem in 2011 and after last year's play off final defeat is the most realistic chance of us getting back there again. On a personal level I have no problem is us taking 60 plus points playing good football in the championship for the foreseeable future. Well done Steve Cooper, enjoy 👍 100% this. And he never managed McBurnie at Swansea (Maybe pre season but not in the league)
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Post by babylonsinger on May 30, 2022 10:07:32 GMT
Happy for the guy, I think they’ll do well next season. I hope they do but I fear they will struggle. Johnson, Worrall and Yates the only real stars who are actually Forest players. Spence, Zinckernagel(sp), Garner and Cook all owned by other clubs. Spence and Garner being linked with moves to the top half of the PL so highly unlikely they will return. Cooper has proved reasonably savvy in recruiting previously and will need to do so again
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Post by quetzal on May 31, 2022 18:01:41 GMT
I think he’s a very good manager but I do get a sniff of ‘I support Wales in Rugby but in England in football’ about him. Or Wales was a massive 2nd to his Liverpool or Man Utd. Forgive me for being a cynic but I’m born and bred Welsh Valleys. So many of my mates like that. It’s a vibe. Hope I’m wrong
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on May 31, 2022 18:29:44 GMT
I think he’s a very good manager but I do get a sniff of ‘I support Wales in Rugby but in England in football’ about him. Or Wales was a massive 2nd to his Liverpool or Man Utd. Forgive me for being a cynic but I’m born and bred Welsh Valleys. So many of my mates like that. It’s a vibe. Hope I’m wrong I fear you may be right there. Weird attitude to have, glory hunting at international level is so strange- particularly supporting the occupier. Sickening to see all this jubilee nonesense in this country. So many people on their knees ready to lick boots. Grim. Can’t wait to belt out Viva Gareth Bale Sunday. Anyway…. Although in Steve’s situation he already has links to the England set-up so he’d have some familiarity with what that job entails. Arguably he may well be a Cymru fan as he let Brennan slip the English net mind!
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Post by 60sred on May 31, 2022 18:38:42 GMT
As a Forest supporter ive been lucky to speak to Steve on a couple of occasions. He comes across as a genuine person who i believe is proud of his welsh heritage. He took the England youth team as a way of progressing his career. I was lucky to go to the play-off final but recorded the match. If you watch when the national anthem is played Steve is not singing it. I have no problems with this and i am english . i think is ultimate job to finish is career would be to manage his national team .
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Post by CrackityJones on May 31, 2022 19:30:52 GMT
I think he’s a very good manager but I do get a sniff of ‘I support Wales in Rugby but in England in football’ about him. Or Wales was a massive 2nd to his Liverpool or Man Utd. Forgive me for being a cynic but I’m born and bred Welsh Valleys. So many of my mates like that. It’s a vibe. Hope I’m wrong Err what? Such a weird thing to make up and post on a message board.
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Post by quetzal on May 31, 2022 19:54:43 GMT
I think he’s a very good manager but I do get a sniff of ‘I support Wales in Rugby but in England in football’ about him. Or Wales was a massive 2nd to his Liverpool or Man Utd. Forgive me for being a cynic but I’m born and bred Welsh Valleys. So many of my mates like that. It’s a vibe. Hope I’m wrong Err what? Such a weird thing to make up and post on a message board. That’s what message boards are for. Hardly making it up when I said it’s just a feeling. Hope I’m wrong.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 3, 2022 19:43:35 GMT
He’s in big trouble. Hero to zero stuff
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Post by dai on Oct 3, 2022 22:06:52 GMT
Too many bad signings while going up. The fact they paid £42.5million (wtf!!!) for Gibbs-White just shows how bad their recruitment was. The guy is a complete show pony without any end product. Dennis and Awyoniy are both terrible strikers. Rather than buy or loan 3/4 VERY good players and develop younger players, they've stuffed the squad full or average players or journeymen.
I've heard rumours that some were not even Coopers' signings.
I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the morning.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 3, 2022 22:46:53 GMT
Sky have said that the Forest fans were chanting support for Cooper at the end.
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 5, 2022 18:27:55 GMT
Forest board have confirmed he is to be given more time
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Post by Dubai Reds on Oct 6, 2022 5:03:59 GMT
Forest board have confirmed he is to be given more time The dreaded Board Confidence!
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Post by aberbeeg on Dec 19, 2023 15:47:18 GMT
Sacked by Forest. Would anyone fancy him for next Cymru manager ?
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Post by morg on Dec 19, 2023 16:01:47 GMT
Sacked by Forest. Would anyone fancy him for next Cymru manager ? Nah. He wouldn't pick any Welsh players.... Don't think he'll be out of work long if he doesn't choose to be.
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Post by iot on Dec 19, 2023 16:48:19 GMT
Get the impression he's not particularly passionate about Wales and knows there will be plenty of club interest that would be willing to pay about 5 times more than us, so can't see it happening
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 19, 2023 17:48:10 GMT
Back to Swansea?
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Post by quetzal on Dec 19, 2023 18:02:06 GMT
Get the impression he's not particularly passionate about Wales and knows there will be plenty of club interest that would be willing to pay about 5 times more than us, so can't see it happening I get that vibe too. We all know people in the valleys that are massive Liverpool or Man Utd for example, and Wales would be a massive 2nd or even 3rd behind a Cardiff or Swansea. ‘I support Wales in rugby and England in football’. Come on lads we’ve all worked with one of these in South Wales. That’s my impression. Hope I’m wrong.
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Post by surge on Dec 19, 2023 18:34:14 GMT
What a bizarre story at Forest!
Ended up with a team more together than most despite the high turnover of players, lacking creativity in midfield and one striker of worth who was unfortunately injured.
Would I have him for Wales? I don't think he would come at this time of his life due to drop in money.
Does that mean he's not passionate about Wales? I don't think we can say that.
I don't think he's yet good enough to be guaranteed a premier league job but Nuno Espirito Santos is rumoured to be his replacement and Cooper is a better manager than him.
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 19, 2023 18:55:46 GMT
Can’t see him being out of a job for long
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Post by morg on Dec 19, 2023 20:13:59 GMT
Could see him at Palace maybe from start of next season.
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Post by hooky on Dec 20, 2023 19:14:57 GMT
Perhaps Cooper's weakness was being too cautious
I understand the other 2 full backs may have been more consistent and defensive minded than Neco, but that mindset clearly was not enough to produce decent results. We will never know but perhaps if Cooper valued the extra attacking threat a full back like Neco brings and backed him then the results may have been better and he may have survived. Football has moved on from preferring the defensive full back over the attacking option, as demonstrated by Liverpool which nurtured Neco. Why on earth he bought Neco in the first place if he did not trust him or value what he brought is beyond me. Look at the guys flopping for them this year who have kept their place while Neco just vanished until the last 2 games where he made a great impact - too little too late for Cooper!
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