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Post by bale-droed on Nov 16, 2018 21:20:25 GMT
How long till brooks is playing for a top four premier league side ,not long I think. Or Bayern Munich
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 16, 2018 21:21:08 GMT
Why do we do this to ourselves eh lads?
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2018 21:26:44 GMT
I"d take a point.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 16, 2018 21:34:35 GMT
Beauty of a finish from Bale, absolute shite the other end though.
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2018 21:40:39 GMT
Naïve set up from Giggs at the start for me.
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 16, 2018 21:43:33 GMT
I think we might be a year away from getting it right
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2018 21:44:45 GMT
Tyler Roberts bloody horrible game twice in a row. I just wish Chester would have put one of those two chances in. Missed a sitter in Ireland.
Not sure Bale’s free kick was going in. Watched slow motion and looked to be bang on the post or outside. Definitely not inside. Great save though
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 16, 2018 21:45:11 GMT
Reality check here though, they've got a PL-winning keeper between the sticks (and it's shown), Eriksen is a top class player, Poulsen & Delaney are regulars for Germany's best clubs and Christensen is better than anyone we've got at centre back.
We've got a bunch of eager but still naive kids trying to compliment Bale, Ramsey, Allen and an out of sorts Williams.
Fantasy to think we'd come away with anything more than a draw.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 16, 2018 21:48:05 GMT
I know they are organised but Denmark has defenders from Brentford, a player out of position who is nowhere near the first team of Chelsea and Huddersfield. We should be asking more questions. I get where you’re coming from, but we have to remember we made the Euro semifinals with defenders from Reading and West Brom. The goal of the tournament was from a guy who couldn’t get in the Reading starting lineup. International football’s a crazy thing.
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Post by hooky on Nov 16, 2018 21:49:00 GMT
Ramsey seriously a luxury we can't afford. Really disappointed. Brooks, Allen and (finally after a delay) Bale were miles out in front of the next best Wales player
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Post by alarch on Nov 16, 2018 21:49:06 GMT
We deserved a draw, but certainly not the win. Clinical finishing from Denmark and not from us was the difference.
The biggest concern from tonight is the naivety of the set-up again. We didn't press from the front, but with so many players committed forwards we allowed Denmark to dictate the middle of the park - again.
The effect of having Ramsey playing deep was to pretty much nullify him offensively, without him contributing much defensively. Allen was phenomenal (apart from one dodgy pass first half) - but we didn't set up to allow him to combine, and build triangles, often enough.
Giggs still has it all to prove.
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Nov 16, 2018 21:52:01 GMT
Not good enough for me. Please stop starting Tyler Roberts. Vokes should still be playing for us, he is our best striker. He can at least hold the ball up and win headers. Ampadu should be starting as well.
My biggest annoyance with this game was we didn’t learn anything from the away defeat against Denmark. They are not a brilliant side! Their strength is that they are so well organised and solid and hard to break through. We did nothing to challenge that, it was so easy for them. Giggs needs to start showing he has some tactical knowledge of the game.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 16, 2018 21:53:11 GMT
Denmark too savvy both fixtures there more to winning games then having decent players
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2018 21:55:01 GMT
We deserved a draw, but certainly not the win. Clinical finishing from Denmark and not from us was the difference. The biggest concern from tonight is the naivety of the set-up again. We didn't press from the front, but with so many players committed forwards we allowed Denmark to dictate the middle of the park - again. The effect of having Ramsey playing deep was to pretty much nullify him offensively, without him contributing much defensively. Allen was phenomenal (apart from one dodgy pass first half) - but we didn't set up to allow him to combine, and build triangles, often enough. Giggs still has it all to prove. I love Giggs ambition but Gareth Bale in centre midfield did feel a bit ‘square pegs’ in round holes
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Post by alarch on Nov 16, 2018 21:55:42 GMT
We should have started 4-2-3-1 with Ramsey in his normal number 10 role. A change of formation if we were chasing the game would have made sense, but to start with such a wide open formation meant we surrendered the middle of the park, and the chance to wind up some pressure.
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 16, 2018 21:56:12 GMT
Not a disaster though - Denmark will defo qualify for Euro 2020 - a play-off spot for the Nations League is guaranteed i reckon.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 16, 2018 21:57:14 GMT
Disappointed with result but a good experienced Denmark side v a young up coming Wales squad.
Ramsey quiet and thought Allen never got going till the tempers started flying. Tyler tried 2wice not effective. Lawrence.. frustrating.
Plus side Brooks c.roberts amps for aggression and for the pay back
Work in progress and enjoyed the national league .. now for euro
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2018 21:57:25 GMT
Not a disaster though - Denmark will defo qualify for Euro 2020 - a play-off spot for the Nations League is guaranteed i reckon. This
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2018 22:00:14 GMT
Set up wrong again imo.
Allen doing the job of two players, mom for me.
We need another scrapper in midfield, alas Smith.
Roberts very poor unfortunately, we looked so much better with Bale up top.
Denmark looked so much better in posession, and they pressed us until the final minute. We looked young and scared for most of the match. They were ott physical though and got away with a few bad fouls again.
Dissapointing.
Also the flare incident was a disgrace.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2018 22:02:54 GMT
Set up wrong again imo. Allen doing the job of two players, mom for me. We need another scrapper in midfield, alas Smith. Roberts very poor unfortunately, we looked so much better with Bale up top. Denmark looked so much better in posession, and they pressed us until the final minute. We looked young and scared for most of the match. They were ott physical though and got away with a few bad fouls again. Dissapointing. Also the flare incident was a disgrace. The flare incident didn’t look to bad on TV. Dealt with fast. Disgrace but could have been worse
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2018 22:05:36 GMT
Reality check here though, they've got a PL-winning keeper between the sticks (and it's shown), Eriksen is a top class player, Poulsen & Delaney are regulars for Germany's best clubs and Christensen is better than anyone we've got at centre back. We've got a bunch of eager but still naive kids trying to compliment Bale, Ramsey, Allen and an out of sorts Williams. Fantasy to think we'd come away with anything more than a draw. I don't think there's much between the sides on paper. Denmark have the edge in terms of steel and in terms of being difficult to beat. We just don't look difficult to beat at the moment. We are relying on a favourable draw to get to the Euros or a miraculous defensive improvement which I can't see Giggs achieving. IMO playing Ampadu at centre-back was not the right decision tonight.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2018 22:07:32 GMT
Set up wrong again imo. Allen doing the job of two players, mom for me. We need another scrapper in midfield, alas Smith. Roberts very poor unfortunately, we looked so much better with Bale up top. Denmark looked so much better in posession, and they pressed us until the final minute. We looked young and scared for most of the match. They were ott physical though and got away with a few bad fouls again. Dissapointing. Also the flare incident was a disgrace. Allen played a blinder, too much to ask him to do that every game. We send too many players forward sometimes and Ampadu is not ready to lay anything more than a midfield role in very carefully selected games at this point.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2018 22:09:10 GMT
We deserved a draw, but certainly not the win. Clinical finishing from Denmark and not from us was the difference. The biggest concern from tonight is the naivety of the set-up again. We didn't press from the front, but with so many players committed forwards we allowed Denmark to dictate the middle of the park - again. The effect of having Ramsey playing deep was to pretty much nullify him offensively, without him contributing much defensively. Allen was phenomenal (apart from one dodgy pass first half) - but we didn't set up to allow him to combine, and build triangles, often enough. Giggs still has it all to prove. I love Giggs ambition but Gareth Bale in centre midfield did feel a bit ‘square pegs’ in round holes Agree, I thought he should have put Bale up top and brought Tyler Roberts on later in the day. Bale looked very quiet in the first half.
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Post by alarch on Nov 16, 2018 22:14:51 GMT
I don't think Tyler Roberts was that bad - but he's not ready yet for senior international football, other than in a cameo role in friendlies. Lawrence was the biggest disappointment though - his play is so naive. Looks threatening with the ball but then invariably runs down a blind alley, not releasing the ball in time. This lead directly to the opening goal.
We had too many young inexperienced players tonight and experienced pros playing roles that were never going to get the best out of them.
After the two games against Denmark Giggs is looking a bit out of his depth. It's still early days, and he was up against a very experienced manager, but he's got to up his act.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 16, 2018 22:15:02 GMT
im not a fan of Vokes and would have like to see Harry Wilson start but the amount of crosses and aerial chances tonight would he have been a better option than Roberts its was clear he was out his depth tonight
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 22:18:11 GMT
Sitting down with a pint.
For me, football is a results business. Ireland home and away was a triumph. Denmark less so. Topping the group tonight was in our own hands and we let it fall.
Lots of promise nevertheless. Lessons to learn.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 16, 2018 22:25:35 GMT
I think my opinion of the game is really different to others. 3 missed headers should have scored, world class save from Schmeichel to stop that free kick, Brooks chance, all huge opportunities. Denmark goal was good play to slice open our defence and a poorly defended long throw. I thought we did brilliantly but we can’t switch off against good teams.
Bale and Brooks were outstanding.
I thought Lawrence was poor tonight. He’s like Bale and Brooks without the end product so it’s pointless him doing the rest. I can’t remember a cross, shot or pass he plays in a game. It’s just dribble until he gets fouled or tackled.
Tyler Roberts I thought did ok, some good link up play but he’s still learning, glad when he went off though but I’d be happy to see him against Albania.
I thought Allen did well, but I think he does better with someone who’ll do the dirty work alongside him. I’d much rather see a younger Ledley next to him than another tidy in possession player who won’t go in for a tackle. I would have put Allen alongside Bale and Brooks but I’m sure the whole point of the twin screen in midfield is to stop interplay in the heart of the pitch between strikers and midfield. Need to ask questions of Allen, Ramsey, Chester and Williams in there.
I thought Gunter did well and thoroughly deserved to equal the record. Just a shame every crossing opportunity was on his left foot.
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Post by saints19 on Nov 16, 2018 22:27:46 GMT
I don't think Tyler Roberts was that bad - but he's not ready yet for senior international football, other than in a cameo role in friendlies. Lawrence was the biggest disappointment though - his play is so naive. Looks threatening with the ball but then invariably runs down a blind alley, not releasing the ball in time. This lead directly to the opening goal. We had too many young inexperienced players tonight and experienced pros playing roles that were never going to get the best out of them. After the two games against Denmark Giggs is looking a bit out of his depth. It's still early days, and he was up against a very experienced manager, but he's got to up his act. Absolutely - not having a go at Roberts, thought he had a decent game. He's probably going to have more impact as a sub. Bale or Vokes should be the main striker for me at the moment. The one thing that keeps me somewhat optimistic is that we most likely won't have to finish above a team of the calibre of Denmark to qualify.
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Post by ausred88 on Nov 16, 2018 22:29:10 GMT
It's good to have high standards but I think Denmark are the better side. A few chances for Wales to take the lead. Kasper Schmichael is an underrated keeper. Don't really see the point in you concentrating on defending at home when a win is needed to top the group.
Giggs needs a result against a bigger team but I don't see there being anything to worry about from this game. The young guys will be a year older next yeat. Patience will pay off.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 16, 2018 22:30:43 GMT
think you must be watching a different game we played well in spells in both games. but the danes was the better team in both fixtures ,this may have been due to Giggs naivety as coach
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