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Post by manulike on Dec 2, 2018 13:29:54 GMT
Baltic Air via Riga Ukrainian via Kiev
Or Aeroflot via Moscow
The direct flight from London is expensive
Cheers, do you remember the name of that Irish journalist that gave us the fixtures early last time? Nope. But can imagine better off looking for Croatian journalists this time ;-)
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Post by oscardelta on Dec 2, 2018 13:30:45 GMT
Those who've been, what's the best way to get to Baku? Baltic Air via Riga Ukrainian via Kiev
Or Aeroflot via Moscow
The direct flight from London is expensive
Also via Tblisi or via one of Gulf cities
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 2, 2018 13:54:33 GMT
I've just had a look at Hungary's recent form and wow they are a lot worse than I thought
Losses to Kazakhstan, Scotland, Greece and Australia this year as well as draws with Belarus and Estonia, they even lost to Andorra in qualifying
They aren't a pushover but we really should be beating them home and away if we want to qualify
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 2, 2018 13:57:48 GMT
I've just had a look at Hungary's recent form and wow they are a lot worse than I thought Losses to Kazakhstan, Scotland, Greece and Australia this year as well as draws with Belarus and Estonia, they even lost to Andorra in qualifying They aren't a pushover but we really should be beating them home and away if we want to qualify Slovakia had a poor nations league as well, they lost every game except a game against a weakened, already qualified Ukraine at home. Can't see us topping Croatia but we have to be favourites to finish 2nd.
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Post by cymro on Dec 2, 2018 14:02:03 GMT
Would be embarrassing if we didn't qualify in all honesty and any stick that would come our way would be fully justified. We need to be arrogant this time round and accept that anything less than qualification with the squad we have is just unacceptable. No pressure Giggs.
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Post by pendragon on Dec 2, 2018 14:10:17 GMT
You're right Cymro. We should have adopted the same attitude the last time round too, particularly after a successful Euro campaign. No more excuses!
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Post by rioonamazy on Dec 2, 2018 14:10:39 GMT
Yes good draw really. Croatia are a NL group b team now. Slovakia relegated to group c.
You could look at it as Euro draw of pot 2 pot 3 pot 3 pot 4.
If Modric 33+ injured wales got great chance.
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Post by pendragon on Dec 2, 2018 14:17:43 GMT
Not too bad to be honest. Slovakia and Hungary can be tough nuts to crack but I'd take them over Serbia and Georgia any day of the week. Rep. Of Ireland drawn with Denmark (again) and Georgia?? Ouch. Same goes for Northern Ireland. Very, very tough groups that I don't see either team making out of. All these groups seem relatively evenly-matched to be honest. Incidentally, does anyone recall if any of the pot 3 or 4 teams in our group are guaranteed a play-off? If so, they might be more relaxed facing off against us knowing they have the insurance policy in the bag. We have to go all out to win. Neither Slovakia nor Hungary are guaranteed a play-off. Slovakia finished 3rd in League B so are probably going to get one but not absolutely certain. Hungary finished 2nd in their League C group but are unlikely to get a play-off. We have a much better chance than either of being in the play-offs. By the time the qualifiers wind down, we'll all get a pretty good idea from looking at the other groups, which teams are likely to be in the play-offs and which ones aren't. If Slovakia sense they're in with a shot, they might give us a break! Needless to say, we still have to go out there and try to win. Croatia are of a very similar calibre to Denmark. Man for man, they're better, but collectively, Denmark's organisational unit gives them the edge. If we somehow snuck a draw, that would be a good result.
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Post by eppingblue on Dec 2, 2018 14:20:03 GMT
Tricky group in my opinion. 4 teams who qualified for the last euro's all of whom will expect to qualify for these.
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Post by claretcymro on Dec 2, 2018 14:22:27 GMT
The new Ferenc Puskas Arena in Budapest is not due to be finished until late 2019 and from what we saw last week (admittedly from the outside) suggests that there is a hell of a lot of work to be done to meet that deadline.Since the old stadium was demolished Hungary have played their matches in the Groupama Stadium, the home of Ferencvaros, which has a capacity of 23700.In the last World Cup qualifying campaign the average attendance at this venue was 20400 and Hungary's group included Switzerland and Portugal.However in their last 2 Nations League matches the attendances have only been 7800 and 9200. If Wales only get the minimum 5% allocation that adds up to less than 1200 tickets and Budapest is an easy place to get to.
Croatia also easy to get to and with the 5% allocation FAW would get about 1750 tickets if the match is played in either Zagreb or Split.
Tickets certainly shouldn't be a problem in Baku as the Olympic Stadium has a capacity of almost 70K but the cost of getting to Azerbaijan will probably put many fans off. Had a quick look at prices after the draw was made and Skyscanner was coming up with around £400 on average for a return from Manchester.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 2, 2018 14:22:27 GMT
Tricky group in my opinion. 4 teams who qualified for the last euro's all of whom will expect to qualify for these. The Euros were 3 years before these games take place. A lot can change in that time and we were better than Slovakia and Hungary then.
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Post by cymro on Dec 2, 2018 14:24:30 GMT
Tricky group in my opinion. 4 teams who qualified for the last euro's all of whom will expect to qualify for these. Slovakia and Hungary have both dropped off quite a bit since then though. They'll make themselves tough to beat at home I expect but we should have more than enough to take at least 8 points from 4 games against them.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 2, 2018 14:25:56 GMT
Tricky group in my opinion. 4 teams who qualified for the last euro's all of whom will expect to qualify for these. Slovakia and Hungary have both dropped off quite a bit since then though. They'll make themselves tough to beat at home I expect but we should have more than enough to take at least 8 points from 4 games against them. If we do that, we qualify. It's that simple. I can't see us dropping any more than 2 points against Azerbaijan, really we should be winning both our games against them.
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Post by pendragon on Dec 2, 2018 14:28:08 GMT
Tricky group in my opinion. 4 teams who qualified for the last euro's all of whom will expect to qualify for these. A lot can change in football in a very short space of time. 3 years is very short/ very long time (depends how you look at it) in football. Hungary and Slovakia are no mugs but we need to go out with the mindset that we can win.
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Post by saints19 on Dec 2, 2018 14:30:55 GMT
Azerbaijan, no disrespect, should be 6 points. Hungary and Slovakia will expect to beat them home and away almost certainly.
That said, Azerbaijan are bound to nick points off someone. Do your homework and make sure it's not us, Giggs.
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Post by cymro on Dec 2, 2018 14:32:36 GMT
Slovakia and Hungary have both dropped off quite a bit since then though. They'll make themselves tough to beat at home I expect but we should have more than enough to take at least 8 points from 4 games against them. If we do that, we qualify. It's that simple. I can't see us dropping any more than 2 points against Azerbaijan, really we should be winning both our games against them. I mentioned earlier we probably only need 15 points from a possible 24 to get out of this group. Maybe not even that many. It's very simple!
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Post by Toffeeman on Dec 2, 2018 14:35:26 GMT
So are they now in a process of lockdown involved with some 'horse trading' reference who plays who first etc
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 2, 2018 14:40:21 GMT
Hopefully Azerbaijan away is in June/September, anyone who wants a ticket should be able to get one
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Post by saints19 on Dec 2, 2018 14:42:46 GMT
If we do that, we qualify. It's that simple. I can't see us dropping any more than 2 points against Azerbaijan, really we should be winning both our games against them. I mentioned earlier we probably only need 15 points from a possible 24 to get out of this group. Maybe not even that many. It's very simple! 15 may not be enough, depending on what happens in the games between us, Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia. We would all expect Azerbaijan to finish 5th and Croatia, probably, to win the group. However, Hungary, or more likely Slovakia, could take 4 points conceivably off Croatia. If that team then takes 4-6 points off the other team of those two, plus 6 from Azerbaijan, all of a sudden you're looking at 16pts+ to finish 2nd.
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Post by rushlegend on Dec 2, 2018 14:43:48 GMT
Interesting to note that apart from Azerbaijan all the other nations in the group qualified for Euro 2016.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 2, 2018 14:51:28 GMT
Hopefully Azerbaijan away is in June/September, anyone who wants a ticket should be able to get one November please. I need the time to save.
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Post by cymro on Dec 2, 2018 14:59:06 GMT
I mentioned earlier we probably only need 15 points from a possible 24 to get out of this group. Maybe not even that many. It's very simple! 15 may not be enough, depending on what happens in the games between us, Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia. We would all expect Azerbaijan to finish 5th and Croatia, probably, to win the group. However, Hungary, or more likely Slovakia, could take 4 points conceivably off Croatia. If that team then takes 4-6 points off the other team of those two, plus 6 from Azerbaijan, all of a sudden you're looking at 16pts+ to finish 2nd. The 15 points mark is based on an assumption that nobody beats Croatia, basically.
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Post by saints19 on Dec 2, 2018 15:22:48 GMT
15 may not be enough, depending on what happens in the games between us, Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia. We would all expect Azerbaijan to finish 5th and Croatia, probably, to win the group. However, Hungary, or more likely Slovakia, could take 4 points conceivably off Croatia. If that team then takes 4-6 points off the other team of those two, plus 6 from Azerbaijan, all of a sudden you're looking at 16pts+ to finish 2nd. The 15 points mark is based on an assumption that nobody beats Croatia, basically. I reckon any of the teams except Azerbaijan could beat Croatia. It's what makes the group interesting. All the teams are pretty evenly spaced out in ability in relation to each other, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th seeds all being pretty much smack bang in the middle of the range of ability of their seeding pots.
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Post by oscardelta on Dec 2, 2018 15:26:59 GMT
Think in this group 18 points as a min you will need to ensure qualification.
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Post by richierich333 on Dec 2, 2018 15:32:01 GMT
Hungary and Azerbaijan will fancy getting points at home. Azerbaijan will win/draw at least 2 home games but don't travel. Hungary will take a few points even possibly at home to Croatia/slovakia
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Post by cymro on Dec 2, 2018 15:34:42 GMT
Think in this group 18 points as a min you will need to ensure qualification. 18 would guarantee but don't think it will need to be that many. In the world cup qualifiers, Slovakia finished 2nd with 18 points in a 6 team group. Hungary managed 13 points from a 6 team group.
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Post by oscardelta on Dec 2, 2018 15:47:40 GMT
An interesting one for ROI
Switzerland, Denmark and Georgia all won their Nations league groups so if they all win their games in June WTF happens ?
Would they then be all be qualified for Euro2020 ?
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Post by saints19 on Dec 2, 2018 15:48:37 GMT
Think in this group 18 points as a min you will need to ensure qualification. 18 points would be home and away wins against Slovakia, Hungary and Azerbaijan (assuming nothing against Croatia). Yes, I reckon that'd probably do it. Minimum points needed would probably be 13 or so, maximum could be as high as 17+.
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Post by saints19 on Dec 2, 2018 15:50:16 GMT
An interesting one for ROI Switzerland, Denmark and Georgia all won their Nations league groups so if they all win their games in June WTF happens ? Would they then be all be qualified for Euro2020 ? Only the League A group-winning sides (in your case Switzerland) play Nations League matches in June, and it has nothing to do with the qualifying process for the Euros, it's about determining who wins the actual Nations League tournament.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Dec 2, 2018 16:20:22 GMT
Least competitive qualifying group for years, especially seeing what Scotland,Northern Ireland and Republic have.In fact all the groups are quite similar in standard this time, not like previous years where there been a few groups of death. it will get to a point, were its more difficult not to qualify than qualify lol
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