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Post by sleepy on Nov 21, 2018 12:55:31 GMT
Have the pots been decided now Nations League groups have finished? So are Wales defo in Pot 2? Are Germany in Pot 2 as well? Thanks Yes, all confirmed, both Wales and Germany in Pot 2. More info at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2020_qualifying
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Post by saints19 on Nov 21, 2018 13:29:39 GMT
Avoid Sweden and Serbia from Pot 3. Anything else would give us an excellent chance. Sweden are in pot 2, they won their last two NL games and got promoted to League A. Turkey have replaced them in pot 3. I wouldn't fancy them either.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 21, 2018 13:42:01 GMT
Pot 1 - Italy Pot 2 - Wales Pot 3 - not Serbia, preferably Israel, Finland or Bulgaria Pot 4 - not Georgia or Albania as we apparently can't beat them, Lithuania or Cyprus would be good Pot 5 - Azerbaijan - massive stadium and good away Pot 6 - San Marino - bring on the record goal haul I'd take that. I'd take Poland as well for Pot 1.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 21, 2018 13:42:58 GMT
Be glad when this draw is made ... my head is about to explode reading this and the national league thread... 😫😫😫 Just wait until the play-offs!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 14:15:24 GMT
Where can I see the list of teams per pot? Edit: Just seen them. Pot 1 - Indifferent, we won't beat anyone so doesn't matter. Pot 2 - N/A (We wouldn't beat anyone in this Pot FWIW) Pot 3 - Norway, Bulgaria or Israel - we'd struggle against the others. Pot 4 - Cyprus, Estonia, Lithuania - again, we'd struggle against the others. Pot 5 - Whoever Pot 6 - Whoever Looking at all those teams, I'm amazed we're in Pot 2. I'd say our current standard is Pot 3, or high Pot 4. We wouldn't give russia ukraine bosnia austria czech republic a game in pot 2?. For the rest where you say we would "struggle", I take it you mean the games would be competitive?. Then yes they would be, as nearly all of them will be. As every qualifying campaign has ever been for wales. As far as I could see, the denmark game WAS COMPETITIVE. They were neat and tidy and took their chances. You'd think we had gotten smashed by them. Last night, fair enough. Poor. The defeatist attitude is ridiculous. All it takes is two months, a few nations league games and its Armageddon. We were shouting from the roof tops after ROI. They can play like that again!
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Post by dai on Nov 21, 2018 14:49:35 GMT
Where can I see the list of teams per pot? Edit: Just seen them. Pot 1 - Indifferent, we won't beat anyone so doesn't matter. Pot 2 - N/A (We wouldn't beat anyone in this Pot FWIW) Pot 3 - Norway, Bulgaria or Israel - we'd struggle against the others. Pot 4 - Cyprus, Estonia, Lithuania - again, we'd struggle against the others. Pot 5 - Whoever Pot 6 - Whoever Looking at all those teams, I'm amazed we're in Pot 2. I'd say our current standard is Pot 3, or high Pot 4. We wouldn't give russia ukraine bosnia austria czech republic a game in pot 2?. For the rest where you say we would "struggle", I take it you mean the games would be competitive?. Then yes they would be, as nearly all of them will be. As every qualifying campaign has ever been for wales. It was never and will never be a walk in the park. If we're scared of the crap in pot 3 and 4 then we may as well call it a day. Based on the past year, no I dont think we would. The chances of actually winning a game against any of those are pretty slim. When I say struggle, I mean struggle to get points. We have only beaten a poor Irish side twice, and when faced with better opposition - Uruguay, Denmark Spain etc, we have looked pretty poor and amateurish at times. People are really underestimating just how poor we are as a team, and it looks like we're still going to have to rely on the odd moment of brilliance from certain players to win a match.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 21, 2018 16:45:39 GMT
Nothing PERSONAL and as much as I like Cardiff I am happy only to visit as a Guest for a FAW game where not playing ROI. Same applies to Denmark Knowing our luck we get a crappy draw with England. Least I know we cannot possibly place worse and new manager will be a plus............... well should be I should say.
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 21, 2018 17:14:16 GMT
Would like
Poland Russia ROI Georgia Armenia Malta
Georgia / Armenia away as Double headers
Likely
England
Wales ROI Greece Faroe Islands
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Post by llyn on Nov 21, 2018 17:55:45 GMT
Hopefully Denmark can get an easy ride so we can get their play-off place
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Post by eppingblue on Nov 21, 2018 18:36:22 GMT
Hopefully Denmark can get an easy ride so we can get their play-off place We don't get their play off place anymore than we get Bosnia, Ukraine or Russia's. We get a play off play providing no more than 7 of the 18 teams above us fail to qualify directly. To put that in some sort of perspective 21 out of the current 24 teams in the whole of league A and B qualified for euro 2016. It's very very unlikely we don't at least get a play off place. We need to qualify directly though. I couldn't bear 4 months of planning with the liklihood it could all be in vain.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 21, 2018 19:28:44 GMT
Hopefully Denmark can get an easy ride so we can get their play-off place We don't get their play off place anymore than we get Bosnia, Ukraine or Russia's. We get a play off play providing no more than 7 of the 18 teams above us fail to qualify directly. To put that in some sort of perspective 21 out of the current 24 teams in the whole of league A and B qualified for euro 2016. It's very very unlikely we don't at least get a play off place. We need to qualify directly though. I couldn't bear 4 months of planning with the liklihood it could all be in vain. True. Bear in mind also that these playoffs involve beating 2 teams in single leg back to back games. Makes it even tougher IMO.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 21, 2018 20:56:26 GMT
Poland, Israel, Lithuania, Gibraltar and San Marino would do just nicely. Brilliant away locations too! Let me know if you want any "brutally honest" advice on any of those as potential away trips :-) ;-) :-)
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 21, 2018 21:07:00 GMT
My choices
Pot 1 Croatia or Poland
Pot 2 Wales,
Pot 3 Turkey or Norway*,
Pot 4 Greece or Lithuania,
Pot 5 Gibraltar or Faroe Islands
Pot 6 Latvia or Malta,
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 21, 2018 21:21:26 GMT
Best group?
Poland WALES Israel Estonia Gibraltar San Marino
Worst group?
France/Spain WALES Serbia Romania/Montenegro Macedonia
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Post by pendragon on Nov 22, 2018 0:29:58 GMT
No way should we be looking to rely on a potential play-off place. If we do, we're not good enough to be there. They are a last resort option and nothing more.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 22, 2018 8:14:03 GMT
No way should we be looking to rely on a potential play-off place. If we do, we're not good enough to be there. They are a last resort option and nothing more. agree, its two teams go thro isnt it? if we dont make top two we will have failed, but sneaking in from back door i probably take then lol
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Post by eppingblue on Nov 22, 2018 8:37:31 GMT
No way should we be looking to rely on a potential play-off place. If we do, we're not good enough to be there. They are a last resort option and nothing more. agree, its two teams go thro isnt it? if we dont make top two we will have failed, but sneaking in from back door i probably take then lol There's a very big part of me that wouldn't want to be in these play offs. The timing is just plain cruel. Fans of 16 teams making plans even booking travel and accommodation on spec only for 12 of them to have the rug pulled. They need in future to try and get them out of the way before the draw for the finals. As for who we draw. 1. Someone consistent enough to win every game including against ourselves leaving us with a straight fight for second. Preferably not England 2. us 3 Not Serbia and preferably none of the home nations. Israel provides the easiest opponent and was a good trip last time. Quite like Bulgaria too 4 Prefer not to draw Romania or Hungary. Would love to go to both but are really tricky pot 4 opponents. Would like Greece even though they can be quite good. Huge stadium probably a 10k plus allocation if we want it. 5 and 6 Countries with the biggest stadiums available.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 22, 2018 10:23:08 GMT
agree, its two teams go thro isnt it? if we dont make top two we will have failed, but sneaking in from back door i probably take then lol There's a very big part of me that wouldn't want to be in these play offs. The timing is just plain cruel. Fans of 16 teams making plans even booking travel and accommodation on spec only for 12 of them to have the rug pulled. They need in future to try and get them out of the way before the draw for the finals. As for who we draw. 1. Someone consistent enough to win every game including against ourselves leaving us with a straight fight for second. Preferably not England 2. us 3 Not Serbia and preferably none of the home nations. Israel provides the easiest opponent and was a good trip last time. Quite like Bulgaria too 4 Prefer not to draw Romania or Hungary. Would love to go to both but are really tricky pot 4 opponents. Would like Greece even though they can be quite good. Huge stadium probably a 10k plus allocation if we want it. 5 and 6 Countries with the biggest stadiums available. in my opionion with the squad coming thro we should be looking at second as a minimumm
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 22, 2018 10:58:09 GMT
For me this would be the best draw in terms of likelihood that we would qualify. Having a strong team in Pot 1 is important (if the other teams drawn are weaker), as someone on here suggested earlier in the thread. We would want them to clean sweep the other games, and put us in the best possible position to go for second place. Bearing that in mind here's what I think would be our best chance.
France - Israel Lithuania Gibraltar San Marino - if in a 6 team group
I really couldn't see us not qualifying from that. We wouldn't even have to win our away games with Israel/Lithuania as long as we beat them at home.
Now the worst case scenario is us drawing a strong team from the top pot, and then also drawing tough teams from the lower pots, creating a scrap where everyone is taking points of each other, similar to the World Cup campaign.
France - Serbia Greece Macedonia
Serbia seem to be our cryptonite. And I think avoiding them increases our chances of qualifying a lot, as the other teams in pot 3 haven't got as much quality. Greece have a solid defense and games against them would be a slog. Macedonia are one of the strongest teams in that pot, and have some tidy players.
All in all I'd much rather a 6 team group where we have the chance of playing two weak teams, which hopefully would mean goals, confidence and points in the bag. Looking at the possibilities I think even an average draw puts us in a great position to qualify, and we'd have to be really unlucky to draw an overly difficult group.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2018 11:16:10 GMT
I'd take that draw right now thanks.
Pots 3 & 4 have some really tricky teams for a young side in transition with an inexperienced manager that MAY be out of his depth. Finishing second is going to depend a lot on a favourable draw unfortunately.
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Post by pendragon on Nov 22, 2018 12:07:39 GMT
Chances are we will face at least one tough team from either pot 3 or 4. If we do, we need to aim to win though. Cannot go into the mindset of "these teams will take points off each other". That was the death knell for our last qualifying campaign. It won't be easy though and our defence needs some work.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 22, 2018 12:37:36 GMT
Poland and Israel and anyone from the other pots
Would be an absolute disgrace if we didn't qualify.
Just need to avoid Serbia and possibly Sweden from pot 3
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Post by cadno on Nov 22, 2018 13:42:13 GMT
Poland, Cymru, Bulgaria, Greece or Romania, Faroe Islands Latvia & I wouldn't mind Hungary, Montenegro, Estonia, Slovenia or Lithuania, from pot 4!!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 22, 2018 14:17:42 GMT
Poland are a side in decline so I see them as the only side we would any chance of topping over the course of the group. Serbia and Sweden would probably finish above us so either of them from pot 3 would be a disaster, the rest should be straightforward enough.
Poland Wales Finland Lithuania (being selfish there I know) Gibraltar Latvia
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2018 14:39:34 GMT
Sweden are in Pot 2 so at least we don't have to worry about them.
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 22, 2018 15:01:00 GMT
Pot 1- Poland (or Belgium, Martinez v Giggs, it would be 7-6. They also just lost 5-2 to the Swiss) Pot 2- Wales Pot 3- Norway (So long as we avoid Slovakia, Turkey and Serbia I think we'll be fine) Pot 4- Lithuania (Avoid Romania and Greece, and apparently Albania, and we'll be fine) Pot 5- Azerbaijan (Avoid Kosovo at all costs.) Pot 6- San Marino
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 22, 2018 15:04:00 GMT
Sweden are in Pot 2 so at least we don't have to worry about them. You're right, don't know how I missed that.
Just Serbia then, I'd fancy us against Turkey you know.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 22, 2018 15:08:04 GMT
I wouldn't. Pot 3 and 4 have plenty of teams I can see a Giggs side losing against. That would be a disaster in a group of 6 let alone one of 5.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 22, 2018 15:36:36 GMT
What happened in Albania won't happen again.
You can quote me on this in a year's time if you'd like.
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Post by mattyd on Nov 22, 2018 15:41:44 GMT
Best Scenario Poland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Lithuania, Gibraltar, San Marino
Worst Scenario France, Wales, Serbia, Greece, Kosovo/Belarus, Latvia Luckily Serbia & Kosovo can't be drawn together
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