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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 29, 2023 15:03:03 GMT
It's not our fault that you don't understand Welshness or nationality in general. Brennan is Welsh, sorry that upsets you Please dont take this the wrong way i would just like to be educated over Welshness / Nationality are you saying that Welsh players along with Scottish & Irish players should be treated as foreigners like all other nationalities when coming through the system. Can you remember when they were classed as foreign players for English clubs in european competitions. If i remember right english clubs did not perform very well and i also think none of the home country national sides were pulling any trees up at that time. Whilst the UK remains a pro-unionist country of nations then why would they be considered foreign? Upon independence I would be fine with Welsh players being considered as foreign players, but I'd imagine it would be mutually beneficial for there to be an agreement about this that would benefit both sides in a post-indy world, as you say it's better for English clubs to have a larger pool of "homegrown" players and it benefits us for our top talent to be playing in the top English leagues |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 29, 2023 15:10:33 GMT
This is all very confusing are you saying that in terms of Nationality with you stating that its a union of nations then Brennan should infact be called British ?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 29, 2023 15:15:41 GMT
This is all very confusing are you saying that in terms of Nationality with you stating that its a union of nations then Brennan should infact be called British ? How is it confusing? Brennan is Welsh, he plays for Wales. You can be born in England and be Welsh. You can be born in Wales and be English. It's very simple You were asking a question about do I think Welsh/Irish/Scottish players should be counted as foreign in the English leagues. I said that under the current political system whereby the majority of people vote for unionist parties - why anyone born to any UK nation be considered foreign in the English league? |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 29, 2023 15:30:18 GMT
i maybe wrong but what would it say on Brennans passport under nationality i think it might say British so i dont think its as black and white as you are trying to make out
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Post by ddirpytnop on Mar 29, 2023 15:35:07 GMT
i maybe wrong but what would it say on Brennans passport under nationality i think it might say British so i dont think its as black and white as you are trying to make out Actually, it will say 'British Citizen', which is a very different thing. All utterly irrelevant however to a discussion about football. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 29, 2023 15:36:25 GMT
i maybe wrong but what would it say on Brennans passport under nationality i think it might say British so i dont think its as black and white as you are trying to make out That's because sovereignty is pooled at UK Government level and so we are all considered subjects of the crown and given British citizenship. "British" isn't a nationality it's statement of citizenship English, Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish aren't recognised in terms of citizenship by the UK Government, despite being distinct nationalities Why you are bringing this up in terms of Brennan, I have no idea?? As I said in my first response. Brennan is Welsh and he plays for Wales |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Mar 29, 2023 15:40:20 GMT
'Coleman never spat his dummy out so directly as Page.' Bollocks - this seems pretty direct to me - 'Coleman slams Wenger 'cheap shot'' www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10055507/coleman-slams-wenger-39cheap-shot39'As if Swansea purposely made Allen sit out longer than he needed to. Medical professionals would’ve made decisions' Never said they did it purposefully. It was just proper amateur hour from the Swansea medical team who bugled his rehab. 'Swansea City's Russell Martin admits 'mistakes' were made over Joe Allen's injury and reveals his anger' 'Martin has stated that Swansea, as a club, must learn from their mistakes after Allen's recent struggles after discovering that the injury was much worse than initially feared. "The injury couldn't have been avoided," said Martin. “The length of his injury, there's been mistakes, definitely. With any of these things you have to seek external expertise and yeah there were a few mistakes along the way. “Joe's desperation to try and get fit for Swansea first and foremost and not worry about the World Cup meant that we missed a few red flags early on. It meant he tried to come back and got re-injured. He tried to come back. So there's loads we can do better as a club. “In the first instance there were mistakes externally which shouldn’t have happened. So collectively, I can’t sit here and lie to you, it wasn't good enough. I've been so angry about it for Joe. I have been really disappointed about it for Joe. I'm pretty sure in a situation like that again, it won't pan out in the same way. There needs to be learning from everyone and hopefully that will be the case. "There's been a big turnover in terms of staff in the medical department, the analysis department... It's been big learning for everyone. There is not one person to blame, we have to take responsibility as a club, which I think everyone has done, and we need to make sure it doesn’t happen again.' www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-citys-russell-martin-admits-25480328It doesn't take much reading between the lines to see how much Swansea messed it up! This isn't a Swansea/Cardiff thing btw - I support both clubs. It was just a massive cockup from the Swans which had a big impact on our World Cup unfortunately. As I say, they should have received a lot more shit from Welsh fans for that. Wenger said something to provoke that response out of Coleman. Yeah, Wenger spat his dummy out in public. Rank amateur. He was no premier league manager, I can tell you. |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 29, 2023 15:57:02 GMT
i maybe wrong but what would it say on Brennans passport under nationality i think it might say British so i dont think its as black and white as you are trying to make out That's because sovereignty is pooled at UK Government level and so we are all considered subjects of the crown and given British citizenship. "British" isn't a nationality it's statement of citizenship English, Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish aren't recognised in terms of citizenship by the UK Government, despite being distinct nationalities Why you are bringing this up in terms of Brennan, I have no idea?? As I said in my first response. Brennan is Welsh and he plays for Wales Thank you i have been educated now,with regards to the union would there be a problem in the population of England asking for an indy vote and if it was a yes vote handing Wales & Scotland their independence by default ? |
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Post by barryscorcher on Mar 29, 2023 16:04:19 GMT
60sred, I'm sure you have good intentions but after reading all your comments on this thread I still have absolutely no idea what point it is you're trying to make
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Post by underwood on Mar 29, 2023 16:06:42 GMT
That's because sovereignty is pooled at UK Government level and so we are all considered subjects of the crown and given British citizenship. "British" isn't a nationality it's statement of citizenship English, Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish aren't recognised in terms of citizenship by the UK Government, despite being distinct nationalities Why you are bringing this up in terms of Brennan, I have no idea?? As I said in my first response. Brennan is Welsh and he plays for Wales Thank you i have been educated now,with regards to the union would there be a problem in the population of England asking for an indy vote and if it was a yes vote handing Wales & Scotland their independence by default ? Absolutely. See how places like Nottingham do when London is sucking the life out of the rest of England. You need to be careful what you wish for, in a future independent England, it’s the regions that will be knackered, more so than Wales or Scotland. |
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Post by 60sred on Mar 29, 2023 16:33:50 GMT
The break up of the union is coming i just say hurry it along. Just one staggering figure for you to get your head around 17.7 billion pounds was handed to the government of Wales from the uk government for there draft budget 22/23 released in December that figure made up 82% of the Wales total budget.
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Post by ddirpytnop on Mar 29, 2023 16:44:52 GMT
The break up of the union is coming i just say hurry it along. Just one staggering figure for you to get your head around 17.7 billion pounds was handed to the government of Wales from the uk government for there draft budget 22/23 released in December that figure made up 82% of the Wales total budget. Er, you do realise that Welsh businesses and residents pay taxes to the treasury, don't you? And that most of the money 'handed' to the Welsh Government (apportioned primarily on the basis of Wales' proportion of the overall population) is simply those taxes being returned? Honestly, some people have simply no concept of how government works. |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 29, 2023 17:03:35 GMT
Anyway, I think Brennan Johnson will be kicking himself watching that last night, a real chance to improve his goals to games ratio missed.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 29, 2023 18:37:45 GMT
The break up of the union is coming i just say hurry it along. Just one staggering figure for you to get your head around 17.7 billion pounds was handed to the government of Wales from the uk government for there draft budget 22/23 released in December that figure made up 82% of the Wales total budget. Er, you do realise that Welsh businesses and residents pay taxes to the treasury, don't you? And that most of the money 'handed' to the Welsh Government (apportioned primarily on the basis of Wales' proportion of the overall population) is simply those taxes being returned? Honestly, some people have simply no concept of how government works. I am always amazed that more people don't move to Wales, no income tax, no National Insurance contributions, no VAT and the English give us all their money 🙂🙂 |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 29, 2023 19:47:46 GMT
That's because sovereignty is pooled at UK Government level and so we are all considered subjects of the crown and given British citizenship. "British" isn't a nationality it's statement of citizenship English, Welsh, Scottish & Northern Irish aren't recognised in terms of citizenship by the UK Government, despite being distinct nationalities Why you are bringing this up in terms of Brennan, I have no idea?? As I said in my first response. Brennan is Welsh and he plays for Wales Thank you i have been educated now,with regards to the union would there be a problem in the population of England asking for an indy vote and if it was a yes vote handing Wales & Scotland their independence by default ? Nope no problem at all, why? |
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Post by talyfan on Mar 29, 2023 20:14:23 GMT
Really would have been useful yesterday. Someone just to sniff out goals in the box alongside Moore.
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Post by morg on Mar 30, 2023 10:52:10 GMT
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Post by dai on Mar 30, 2023 11:28:17 GMT
Regarding Brennan's no show at this international window, this is interesting; www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65124721'Nottingham Forest striker Chris Wood will miss the rest of the season with a thigh injury.
The New Zealander, who joined on loan in January, was injured on 11 March but still went on international duty during the break, although he did not play.'So, how was he 'allowed' to join up with New Zealand, which I'm guessing involved flying across the world, and Brennan couldn't (for whatever reason) to pop down to Cardiff? I know Johnson is the star boy, however this needs questioning, big time. |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 30, 2023 17:20:11 GMT
Regarding Brennan's no show at this international window, this is interesting; www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65124721'Nottingham Forest striker Chris Wood will miss the rest of the season with a thigh injury.
The New Zealander, who joined on loan in January, was injured on 11 March but still went on international duty during the break, although he did not play.'So, how was he 'allowed' to join up with New Zealand, which I'm guessing involved flying across the world, and Brennan couldn't (for whatever reason) to pop down to Cardiff? I know Johnson is the star boy, however this needs questioning, big time. This is f**king ridiculous  |
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Post by underwood on Mar 30, 2023 17:22:36 GMT
I would put my mortgage on him playing this weekend.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 30, 2023 17:29:11 GMT
I think we need to raise this with whoever and forget about the relationship with Nottingham Forest, there's clear and obvious double standards here.
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Post by surge on Mar 30, 2023 19:07:07 GMT
Can we not make a big deal about this? We picked up 4 points. Brennan got a rest - when was the last time he had a proper break? - and we'll all be ready to go again together in June.
It's really good news that he's being recognised as an exciting talent. That should ensure he's challenged further and works harder to get even better.
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Post by underwood on Mar 30, 2023 19:58:18 GMT
I hope he’s somewhere else other than Forest come next season.
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Post by morg on Mar 30, 2023 20:05:36 GMT
I hope he’s somewhere else other than Forest come next season. Careful what you wish for I guess? If he goes to a bigger club, we may see even less of him. I hope they stay up and he stays there for a while longer personally. |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 30, 2023 21:37:25 GMT
Can we not make a big deal about this? We picked up 4 points. Brennan got a rest - when was the last time he had a proper break? - and we'll all be ready to go again together in June. It's really good news that he's being recognised as an exciting talent. That should ensure he's challenged further and works harder to get even better. Accepting that this is okay is absolutely not what we should be doing. Brennan didn't play any football in December I don't think, he's had a break. We don't leave players out because we think they might need a break, the pool is shallow enough as it is without letting our best players put their feet up for the hardest match of the group and our first home game of the group. The whole thing is now without doubt ridiculous now that we're aware of the Chris Wood situation. |
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Post by dai on Mar 30, 2023 21:54:59 GMT
Steve Cooper has had his say, from Phil Blanche's account on twitter:
Steve Cooper says he is not bothered by Brennan Johnson Wales fitness row.
“The player who got injured couldn’t play and if it happened again, we wouldn’t do anything different in terms of what we did. We have not lost any sleep over it apart from trying to get Brennan fit.”
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Post by iot on Mar 30, 2023 21:57:26 GMT
It hasn't happened before, and I was encouraged to hear that Brennan was himself angry/annoyed by Forest's handling of the situation (although no idea how legit that is). It's only happened once, so I think for now we should just give him the benefit of the doubt and make sure we do everything on our side (better comms / being more forceful if needed) to make sure it doesn't happen again.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 30, 2023 21:58:48 GMT
They wouldn't do anything different, that's fine, I just hope that Wales do because from where I'm sitting what Forest did was wrong and what Wales did was naive.
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Post by iot on Mar 30, 2023 22:00:13 GMT
Steve Cooper has had his say, from Phil Blanche's account on twitter: Steve Cooper says he is not bothered by Brennan Johnson Wales fitness row. “The player who got injured couldn’t play and if it happened again, we wouldn’t do anything different in terms of what we did. We have not lost any sleep over it apart from trying to get Brennan fit.” He comes across as a nice guy usually, but his attitude towards Wales has been really shitty in this situation and when he was with Swansea. I know he has his own priorities and I won't blame him for putting those ahead of doing any favours for us, but he seems to be doing the opposite and almost going out of his way to put obstacles in front of us. Really weird behaviour. |
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Post by surge on Mar 30, 2023 22:27:01 GMT
Steve Cooper has had his say, from Phil Blanche's account on twitter: Steve Cooper says he is not bothered by Brennan Johnson Wales fitness row. “The player who got injured couldn’t play and if it happened again, we wouldn’t do anything different in terms of what we did. We have not lost any sleep over it apart from trying to get Brennan fit.” Hmm. I respect that he would have made same choice if it happened again, but quite a strong rebuttal here given the situation. Did it need to be? Basic facts are that there were worries about Brennan missing Newcastle, Croatia and Latvia games. Brennan was fit enough - with Forest already having depleted squad - to play against Newcastle and wasn't fit enough to play the Saturday regardless of whether it was a Forest game or Cymru/Wales game. Brennan loves playing for Wales and is looking forward to joining up in future camps. But seriously, he obviously loves playing for Forest and Cymru. Can we just be adults and look after the 21 year old kid rather than making him the center of a story? |
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