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Post by fiveattheback on May 12, 2023 11:37:30 GMT
He'd have to agree to go on loan, why would he go to Olympiakos? If Forest go down, why would Brennan agree to a loan move to the PL when there's no guarantee Forest would win promotion? Why would a top flight club loan a player they could easily buy? What would be the point of, say, Villa loaning Johnson, playing him for a season only for him to go back to Forest to sell on at a profit? If Forest go down he'll leave permanently, if they stay up then he either stays or goes permanently, he's well beyond loans Brennan has had 1 season in the top flight and you say he is past the loan stage, players go on loan for various reasons Odegaard was a loan at Arsenal , Felix at Chelsea even Ramsey to Rangers so dont try to kid yourself that Brennan is to good to go out on loan. Forest would be looking at around 40m for Brennan and would want the money all up front. Some clubs are not willing to spend that much in one go on an unproven player not knowing how he will fit in plus say an extra 10m in wages over 4 years which is around the average players salary. So a club say pays around 4 million on loan fee and 2.5m on his wages so not a big hit on their FFP if it does not work. Why has James gone to Fulham on loan and they didnt buy him maybe because they thought Man u & Leeds had their fingers burnt over what they paid so 4 or 5 million outlay not a major risk ? Odegaard went on loan to Arsenal because he wasn't getting into the Madrid team, Felix left Atletico because the relationship with Simeone broke down, Ramsey went to Rangers because he wasn't getting into the Juve team. None at all comparable to Johnson who is not only a regular for Forest, but a key man. It's not to do with a player's quality, but their situation. Transfers are very rarely paid up front and Johnson this summer will not be an unproven player. He has shown the ability to adapt at whatever stage he's played at having succeeded in League 1, the Championship and now the Premier League as well as on the international stage. Dan James, again, is a completely different situation to Johnson. Furthermore what do Forest gain from loaning him out? They lose one of their best players without receiving a fee to adequately replace him. And what would, say, Villa gain? If Johnson has a great season on loan there he can go back to Forest and they get nothing from it. A loan makes no sense. |
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Post by 60sred on May 12, 2023 13:24:04 GMT
The Olympiakos thing is to do with our owner who owns both clubs so if Forest were to go down and no suitable offers to the club he could possibly go there and play european football for a season in one of the the three cup competitions yet to be decided and showcase his talents. On a different subject but about the same player a mate of mine today showed me a graphic relating to speed of player in the prem league for this season and over history. Brennann is top at a ridiculous speed of 36.7 kmph or nearly 22.9 mph i knew he was fast but wow this also puts him in the 10 fastest ever in prem history.
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Post by rushy on May 12, 2023 19:35:07 GMT
Next season is a big one for Johnson , the EPL now knows what he's all about and will probably mark him more closely, so he will have to step up on what he's achieved this season and regular game time will be important for him to at least maintain that level.
Will be interesting to see if any of the top 6 clubs come in for him irrespective of where Forest end up, it's whether he's ready for that at this stage, so we shall see.
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Post by hooky on May 13, 2023 13:04:44 GMT
Yates appears to be starting instead of Brennan.
Cooper has interesting plans.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 14, 2023 1:05:19 GMT
Yates appears to be starting instead of Brennan. Cooper has interesting plans. Brennan has been starting a lot of games recently, and was brilliant in their last match against Southampton. Probs just a case of resting him in a tricky away game where they needed to do a lot of running and dig in |
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Post by 60sred on May 14, 2023 10:05:12 GMT
Worrall cam e in for Brennan yesterday to allow Lodi and Aurier to push further forward as shown in our 1st goal, it would have been better if Neco would have been fit as he is better in the attacking half than Aurier
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Post by iot on May 14, 2023 12:05:53 GMT
Worrall cam e in for Brennan yesterday to allow Lodi and Aurier to push further forward as shown in our 1st goal, it would have been better if Neco would have been fit as he is better in the attacking half than Aurier I'm assuming he was partly dropped because, as someone else mentioned, Cooper wanted everyone to dig in and put in a big defensive shift which isn't really what he's about. I think you've had a go at Wales previously for starting the likes of Dan James ahead of him in big games, but looks like you might be doing a similar thing (he didn’t start a few weeks ago away to Liverpool either). Hopefully he can develop that part of his game, I think he has made some progress this season to be fair |
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Post by 60sred on May 14, 2023 13:56:51 GMT
Worrall cam e in for Brennan yesterday to allow Lodi and Aurier to push further forward as shown in our 1st goal, it would have been better if Neco would have been fit as he is better in the attacking half than Aurier I'm assuming he was partly dropped because, as someone else mentioned, Cooper wanted everyone to dig in and put in a big defensive shift which isn't really what he's about. I think you've had a go at Wales previously for starting the likes of Dan James ahead of him in big games, but looks like you might be doing a similar thing (he didn’t start a few weeks ago away to Liverpool either). Hopefully he can develop that part of his game, I think he has made some progress this season to be fair My dig at James was the fact at the time he was not playing as often as Brennan along with certain other players who were getting picked. As for yesterday Brennan has played more than most this season and the he covered a vast amount of ground on Monday so along with a more defensive formation Brennan may have been in the red zone regarding his fitness. i am sure you dont want to have another international saga like last time where he played for Forest and was then unavailable for Wales next time. So possible all parties may have learned something from it also would sooner have Brennan playing against Arsenal in a match which i think we can get something from with our home record rather than yesterday at a ground where our past history says we normally get nothing. |
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Post by rushy on May 14, 2023 14:02:09 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with the thinking that Johnson HAS to be better in his defending , it seems to be the way nowadays that every player must be good in every area of the pitch, especially front players, but not every player has the ability to offer enough in defending, Cooper knows this which is why he prefers a more defensive type of player in some away games.
They obviously can work and do certain parts of what is required in that area of the pitch but so many are just attack minded and have that natural ability going forward, Johnson can improve his all round game however I'd prefer he works on his forward play because that's his main strength and asset.
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Post by iot on May 15, 2023 10:31:55 GMT
I'm assuming he was partly dropped because, as someone else mentioned, Cooper wanted everyone to dig in and put in a big defensive shift which isn't really what he's about. I think you've had a go at Wales previously for starting the likes of Dan James ahead of him in big games, but looks like you might be doing a similar thing (he didn’t start a few weeks ago away to Liverpool either). Hopefully he can develop that part of his game, I think he has made some progress this season to be fair My dig at James was the fact at the time he was not playing as often as Brennan along with certain other players who were getting picked. As for yesterday Brennan has played more than most this season and the he covered a vast amount of ground on Monday so along with a more defensive formation Brennan may have been in the red zone regarding his fitness. i am sure you dont want to have another international saga like last time where he played for Forest and was then unavailable for Wales next time. So possible all parties may have learned something from it also would sooner have Brennan playing against Arsenal in a match which i think we can get something from with our home record rather than yesterday at a ground where our past history says we normally get nothing. With respect, your dig at the selection decision-making was a misunderstanding of the Welsh context as you, naturally, just see us through the lenses of a Forest fan. Directly comparing Johnson and James as players and their respective qualities isn't the right way of looking at it. The key is to understand the system we had developed, which got us to the world cup, and the ingredients that were required. We were playing with two forwards and essentially needed to pick two from Bale, James, Johnson and Moore. We'd toyed with playing a front three, with just two in midfield, but looked very shaky, as we did with a back 4 in Euro 2021. Bale was Bale, so he had to start, and then you had to have someone besides him to do the running for him, which James is much better at than Johnson. James was also our best player in the Euros and the qualifiers for it, and played a key part in our WC qualifiers with a couple of goals and assists. So in that context, it made complete sense that we went into the playoff games and the World Cup itself with James and Bale (and Johnson on the bench). Yeah, I suspect fatigue is part of the reason Brennan was on the bench, but the fact that he was also on the bench against Liverpool just two weeks prior suggests that there's a little bit more to it. When you're up against technically superior sides, like Forest and Wales often are, you need a lot of fight and energy. Johnson's improved slightly in that respect as the season's progressed, but still not brilliant at it which is why I suspect he's been dropped against two of the better sides in the league these last couple of weeks. |
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Post by iot on May 15, 2023 10:38:51 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with the thinking that Johnson HAS to be better in his defending , it seems to be the way nowadays that every player must be good in every area of the pitch, especially front players, but not every player has the ability to offer enough in defending, Cooper knows this which is why he prefers a more defensive type of player in some away games. They obviously can work and do certain parts of what is required in that area of the pitch but so many are just attack minded and have that natural ability going forward, Johnson can improve his all round game however I'd prefer he works on his forward play because that's his main strength and asset. When things 'seem to be the way nowadays', whether that be how keepers are expected to contribute to approach play, or how forwards are expected to take part in the press and defensive gameplan, there's usually a very good reason for it! Football's evolved and tactics have evolved. Try playing the way football was played just a couple of decades ago and you'd get slaughtered. Ferguson knew that, which is why he used to say his main strength was his adaptability and he'd always get in a young, progressive No.2 to take care of the coaching side with modern practices. If a forward doesn't have the ability or desire to contribute towards the pressing strategy, it's a significant weakness in their game that should be improved. Cooper has actually called Johnson out a couple of times on it this season. |
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Post by 60sred on May 15, 2023 13:53:46 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with the thinking that Johnson HAS to be better in his defending , it seems to be the way nowadays that every player must be good in every area of the pitch, especially front players, but not every player has the ability to offer enough in defending, Cooper knows this which is why he prefers a more defensive type of player in some away games. They obviously can work and do certain parts of what is required in that area of the pitch but so many are just attack minded and have that natural ability going forward, Johnson can improve his all round game however I'd prefer he works on his forward play because that's his main strength and asset. When things 'seem to be the way nowadays', whether that be how keepers are expected to contribute to approach play, or how forwards are expected to take part in the press and defensive gameplan, there's usually a very good reason for it! Football's evolved and tactics have evolved. Try playing the way football was played just a couple of decades ago and you'd get slaughtered. Ferguson knew that, which is why he used to say his main strength was his adaptability and he'd always get in a young, progressive No.2 to take care of the coaching side with modern practices. If a forward doesn't have the ability or desire to contribute towards the pressing strategy, it's a significant weakness in their game that should be improved. Cooper has actually called Johnson out a couple of times on it this season. i didnt just see it through the eyes of a forest fan , at the world cup players who were unfit and had no playing time were being picked ahead of Brennan. I guess on your take waste of time Brennan turning up because front 3 will be James Moore & Wilson despite Brennan having better stats over the season. If if so dont try and kid yourself that Page will be taking a personal stance over his selection due to what happened last time If Forest manage to stay up yes i would take a selfish look at it and hope Brennan walks away from international football that is what looking through a Forest fans eye would be like not what my other posts have stated. |
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Post by iot on May 15, 2023 14:25:23 GMT
When things 'seem to be the way nowadays', whether that be how keepers are expected to contribute to approach play, or how forwards are expected to take part in the press and defensive gameplan, there's usually a very good reason for it! Football's evolved and tactics have evolved. Try playing the way football was played just a couple of decades ago and you'd get slaughtered. Ferguson knew that, which is why he used to say his main strength was his adaptability and he'd always get in a young, progressive No.2 to take care of the coaching side with modern practices. If a forward doesn't have the ability or desire to contribute towards the pressing strategy, it's a significant weakness in their game that should be improved. Cooper has actually called Johnson out a couple of times on it this season. i didnt just see it through the eyes of a forest fan , at the world cup players who were unfit and had no playing time were being picked ahead of Brennan. I guess on your take waste of time Brennan turning up because front 3 will be James Moore & Wilson despite Brennan having better stats over the season. If if so dont try and kid yourself that Page will be taking a personal stance over his selection due to what happened last time If Forest manage to stay up yes i would take a selfish look at it and hope Brennan walks away from international football that is what looking through a Forest fans eye would be like not what my other posts have stated. Bale and James started ahead of him in the first game. It was Bale's heroics that got us to the World Cup, but by starting him, we needed someone with legs - which is where James came in - that's the context. Yes we played Bale who had very little playing time, but that was also the case at the playoffs and yet he still won us the games. Moore came on at half time and changed the game for us, which is why he then started the next games. Brennan also went into the WC in poor form. It wasn't a waste of time for Brennan to be there - he was there to compete for a place and, failing that, provide an impact off the bench. He came on in every game but unfortunately failed to make an impact As an English fan I wouldn't expect you to be aware of that context so I have no idea why you're being so defensive about it. |
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Post by rushy on May 15, 2023 18:25:42 GMT
I'm not sure I agree with the thinking that Johnson HAS to be better in his defending , it seems to be the way nowadays that every player must be good in every area of the pitch, especially front players, but not every player has the ability to offer enough in defending, Cooper knows this which is why he prefers a more defensive type of player in some away games. They obviously can work and do certain parts of what is required in that area of the pitch but so many are just attack minded and have that natural ability going forward, Johnson can improve his all round game however I'd prefer he works on his forward play because that's his main strength and asset. When things 'seem to be the way nowadays', whether that be how keepers are expected to contribute to approach play, or how forwards are expected to take part in the press and defensive gameplan, there's usually a very good reason for it! Football's evolved and tactics have evolved. Try playing the way football was played just a couple of decades ago and you'd get slaughtered. Ferguson knew that, which is why he used to say his main strength was his adaptability and he'd always get in a young, progressive No.2 to take care of the coaching side with modern practices. If a forward doesn't have the ability or desire to contribute towards the pressing strategy, it's a significant weakness in their game that should be improved. Cooper has actually called Johnson out a couple of times on it this season. I have no desire to return to the long ball days of Basset and Wilkinson thanks ! However just like the systems of today that particular style of play although horrible proved to be a successful period for teams like Wimbledon and Leeds, and football has always moved on with new set ups etc. but everyone currently copying Pep Guardiola is fine if you have the quality of players capable of playing that way, the risk factor though is proving too much for some players and costing them farcical goals and results. I wonder if Pep could manage a team with not so skilful players in relegation trouble and with a few games left, somehow I doubt it. Modern day defenders have to rely so much on others doing the press and CB's do so much covering for FB's who are regularly exposed by going forward more than ever before, regarding Brennan , yes he can improve his work rate in both areas of the pitch, but it shouldn't detract from his main skillset of attacking and scoring imo. |
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Post by hooky on May 20, 2023 16:05:17 GMT
On the bench again. Copper has not been very good for our two lads at the club  Welsh football is getting more depressing by the minute |
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Post by hooky on May 20, 2023 16:18:52 GMT
Think it may be better for Brennan if they get relegated. Cooper is not getting the best out of him with his football philosophy - the fact he has that pretty limited lump up front says it all in terms of how he sees the game
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Post by rushy on May 20, 2023 18:47:07 GMT
Forest stay up through sheer guts and not much football, Gibbs White is ahead of Johnson because of his relentless work rate and determined attitude which he showed again tonight, and Hennessey got on for the last kick.
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Post by dai on May 20, 2023 18:53:56 GMT
So Cooper plays Johnson relentlesly throughout the season, not giving him a break and playing him injured causing him to miss the our games, yet for some reason drops him now……
I think its very poor man management from Cooper, however I do think Johnson has been found out a bit at this level and is perhaps not quite good enough for PL atm.
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Post by surge on May 20, 2023 19:31:07 GMT
Brennan will be 22 soon and has thus far played a single season in League One, Championship and Premier League. It's been quite the rise for him with 32 starts and 37 played in the top division.
I do think Morgan Gibbs-White is ahead of him at the moment but Gibbs-White is what, 18 months, older than Brennan so a little to be expected and their roles on the pitch are different. It does show area of game Brennan hasn't had to develop much yet in his career to get where he is but will need to work on to become player he can be.
Well done Forest.
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Post by marsvolta on May 20, 2023 19:43:00 GMT
So Cooper plays Johnson relentlesly throughout the season, not giving him a break and playing him injured causing him to miss the our games, yet for some reason drops him now…… I think its very poor man management from Cooper, however I do think Johnson has been found out a bit at this level and is perhaps not quite good enough for PL atm. I do my best not to react to comments like this on here and social media but, Jesus, Brennan not good enough for the Premier League? That’s some take, have you watched any games? Not sure even the Facebook lot would come up with that. |
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Post by 60sred on May 21, 2023 5:33:41 GMT
On the bench again. Copper has not been very good for our two lads at the club Welsh football is getting more depressing by the minute So Cooper has not been good for Welsh football bit of a strange statement he has taken Brennan from a Championship player to a Premier league player. Neco has played more top level football this season than any other season. I guess you will just have to get over it that Forest stayed up and both players will start the next season under Cooper at Forest. |
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Post by 60sred on May 21, 2023 5:41:13 GMT
Think it may be better for Brennan if they get relegated. Cooper is not getting the best out of him with his football philosophy - the fact he has that pretty limited lump up front says it all in terms of how he sees the game I can think of a National side that plays with a big lump up front anf guess what Awonyi in your opinion is a limited lump but guess what he has scored over twice as many goals in the same number of games as a certain lump at Bournemouth . Awonyi has secured Premier league football for 2 more of your players that has got to be something to be pleased about ? |
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Post by morg on May 21, 2023 6:16:49 GMT
Think it may be better for Brennan if they get relegated. Cooper is not getting the best out of him with his football philosophy - the fact he has that pretty limited lump up front says it all in terms of how he sees the game I can think of a National side that plays with a big lump up front anf guess what Awonyi in your opinion is a limited lump but guess what he has scored over twice as many goals in the same number of games as a certain lump at Bournemouth . Awonyi has secured Premier league football for 2 more of your players that has got to be something to be pleased about ? Are you Kevin Keegan? Congrats on your ongoing Premier League status by the way. |
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Post by dai on May 21, 2023 6:42:19 GMT
So Cooper plays Johnson relentlesly throughout the season, not giving him a break and playing him injured causing him to miss the our games, yet for some reason drops him now…… I think its very poor man management from Cooper, however I do think Johnson has been found out a bit at this level and is perhaps not quite good enough for PL atm. I do my best not to react to comments like this on here and social media but, Jesus, Brennan not good enough for the Premier League? That’s some take, have you watched any games? Not sure even the Facebook lot would come up with that. Ha, thought some may be reactionary to that statement. I have watched loads of Forest games actually, and he does produce moments of brilliance, but still has a habit of going missing for long periods in the game - you cannot get away with that at this level. Tbh, he probably is PL level, however why has Cooper dropped him now? In a time when you want your best players on the pitch, you drop potentially your best player? Seems odd. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 21, 2023 9:21:13 GMT
So Cooper plays Johnson relentlesly throughout the season, not giving him a break and playing him injured causing him to miss the our games, yet for some reason drops him now…… I think its very poor man management from Cooper, however I do think Johnson has been found out a bit at this level and is perhaps not quite good enough for PL atm. Nottingham Forest top scorers; 1. Brennan - 10 goals & 3 assists 2. Awomiyi - 10 goals & 1 assist 3. Gibbs-White - 5 goals & 7 assists I tune into MOTD last night and they are discussing whether Gibbs-White or Brennan has been their player of the season this year. I come onto Apostle and this^ is the absolute nonsense I have to read! Beggars belief! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 21, 2023 9:24:30 GMT
On the bench again. Copper has not been very good for our two lads at the club Welsh football is getting more depressing by the minute Another reactionary comment! When you come back to reality you'll realise that a 21 year old Welsh forward being the top scorer for a newly promoted side that end up surviving the drop in his first season at that level is a great thing for Welsh football. Oh and he's played more games this season than every other Forest forward. Depressing! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 21, 2023 9:28:45 GMT
I do my best not to react to comments like this on here and social media but, Jesus, Brennan not good enough for the Premier League? That’s some take, have you watched any games? Not sure even the Facebook lot would come up with that. Ha, thought some may be reactionary to that statement. I have watched loads of Forest games actually, and he does produce moments of brilliance, but still has a habit of going missing for long periods in the game - you cannot get away with that at this level. Tbh, he probably is PL level, however why has Cooper dropped him now? In a time when you want your best players on the pitch, you drop potentially your best player? Seems odd. Long story short, they needed a lump up top to get results against Chelsea (A) & Arsenal (H). They had to rely on set pieces because they knew they wouldn't get enough of the ball against teams like Arsenal (they had 18% possession) to be able to bring players like Brennan into it. So they paired the lump Awoniyi with the work horse Gibbs-White Or maybe it's just cos Brennan isn't PL level. One of those arguments makes a lot more sense. I hope you can figure out which one it is |
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Post by marsvolta on May 21, 2023 9:31:21 GMT
I do my best not to react to comments like this on here and social media but, Jesus, Brennan not good enough for the Premier League? That’s some take, have you watched any games? Not sure even the Facebook lot would come up with that. Ha, thought some may be reactionary to that statement. I have watched loads of Forest games actually, and he does produce moments of brilliance, but still has a habit of going missing for long periods in the game - you cannot get away with that at this level. Tbh, he probably is PL level, however why has Cooper dropped him now? In a time when you want your best players on the pitch, you drop potentially your best player? Seems odd. I guessed that you knew that it was a comment that would create reactions and that’s why I did my best to ignore it, but it was too outrageous for me to resist haha. |
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Post by 60sred on May 21, 2023 9:49:39 GMT
I can think of a National side that plays with a big lump up front anf guess what Awonyi in your opinion is a limited lump but guess what he has scored over twice as many goals in the same number of games as a certain lump at Bournemouth . Awonyi has secured Premier league football for 2 more of your players that has got to be something to be pleased about ? Are you Kevin Keegan? Congrats on your ongoing Premier League status by the way. Thanks , i was thinking more of a Rafa can you remember his infamous press conference where he came out with a piece of paper and reeled of a load of stats ? |
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Post by morg on May 21, 2023 11:00:36 GMT
Are you Kevin Keegan? Congrats on your ongoing Premier League status by the way. Thanks , i was thinking more of a Rafa can you remember his infamous press conference where he came out with a piece of paper and reeled of a load of stats ? 😂 |
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