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Post by iantov on Jun 4, 2023 8:51:10 GMT
I was (pleasantly) surprised to see yesterday that Brennan Johnson was second fastest in the Premier League behind Kyle Walker this season.
Watching Walker gives me the clear impression that he is rapid but not Brennan for some reason. Without those statistics, I would never have guessed he was right up there as a speedster.
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 14, 2023 16:10:24 GMT
Brentford have just had a £30 million bid turned down for Johnson.
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Post by 60sred on Jun 14, 2023 17:02:15 GMT
Brentford have just had a £30 million bid turned down for Johnson. Why would we except 30m when l villa have made a tentative enquiry in the region of 40m . Brennan is going no where this season . Having listened to sky reporting on the new rule changes regarding international clearance for players to sign for clubs and more pressure being put on clubs to play players whose eligibility to play for England national sides this might have a knock on effect of not getting players like Brennan in the future opting to play for Wales. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 14, 2023 17:11:18 GMT
The FAW ought to be lobbying the Home Office to change that ruling to British players
That a bid that high's going in so early shows how highly rated Johnson is
Isn't that the 3rd or 4th time Brentford have bid for Johnson?
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Post by 60sred on Jun 14, 2023 17:41:27 GMT
have not seen todays bid by Brentford but if correct i think its the 3rd formal bid. The new rule is a fudge because the uk government said the FA PREM and EFL had to sort it out or they would intervene. This has only made things worse so now acadamies will be full of South American and African players stopping the development of local players. Every club loves to have one of their own come through the ranks. The Home Office should step in now to say they must go back to the old system of gaining international clearance. This rule change has been brought about by the greedy league i know my club is part of it now but they do not seem to care about lower levels, this change is to suit the likes of Man City Chelsea and others of the big six who have feeder clubs in other countries and it will be seen as a great money making exercise. I think i saw that Man City got in the region of 60m FOR 4 players they sold at the beginning of last season without kicking a ball for the first team how wrong is that ?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2023 0:51:08 GMT
Brentford have just had a £30 million bid turned down for Johnson. Why would we except 30m when l villa have made a tentative enquiry in the region of 40m . Brennan is going no where this season . Having listened to sky reporting on the new rule changes regarding international clearance for players to sign for clubs and more pressure being put on clubs to play players whose eligibility to play for England national sides this might have a knock on effect of not getting players like Brennan in the future opting to play for Wales. Can't see that happening tbh. If anything the amount of players declaring for us has only increased over time |
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Post by 60sred on Jun 15, 2023 5:36:41 GMT
Have the numbers increased due to Wales having tournament success along with England having its best crop of youngsters for say over 20 years plus. My concern is if this rule comes in how its going to alter the number of minutes your top players may get playing in the Premier league along with players from the other home nations. im of an age where having a foreign player was something different and not the norm.
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Post by rushy on Jun 15, 2023 9:05:43 GMT
Don't think a move to Brentford is a step up for Brennan even though they are at their peak right now, another season with Forest for him and hopefully improving again would mean a top six club coming in next year. I see Page has been touting Dan James to EPL clubs now he has returned to relegated Leeds.
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Post by 60sred on Jul 13, 2023 14:50:37 GMT
Strong rumours going around that Brennan could be on his way to Villa for £45m + 10m in add ons . It could possibly hinge on Forest being able to pick up Willian as a free agent from Fulham. Brennan has been in the process of changing his agent and Villa can offer him a bigger contract and european football also the transfer fee would go towards Forest buying Henderson from Man U
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 14, 2023 11:54:59 GMT
Villa would be the ideal move for him imo. European football, a top manager, big club on the up, not much competition for the RW position there. Great news for Wales if this one does come off
Wouldn't mind if he stayed at Forest it has to be said, although I do think he's achieved everything he can there realistically
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Post by iot on Jul 14, 2023 12:10:22 GMT
Villa would be the ideal move for him imo. European football, a top manager, big club on the up, not much competition for the RW position there. Great news for Wales if this one does come off Wouldn't mind if he stayed at Forest it has to be said, although I do think he's achieved everything he can there realistically I think he's better off at Forest, where there's lower expectations on him and more goodwill from the fans as a homegrown talent. It will be completely different at Villa, where he'll need to perform as a £45m signing. If things don't go well, and fans see his low workrate / lack of tracking back which we all know he's guilty of, he'll have the fans on him in no time. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 14, 2023 12:48:06 GMT
Villa would be the ideal move for him imo. European football, a top manager, big club on the up, not much competition for the RW position there. Great news for Wales if this one does come off Wouldn't mind if he stayed at Forest it has to be said, although I do think he's achieved everything he can there realistically I think he's better off at Forest, where there's lower expectations on him and more goodwill from the fans as a homegrown talent. It will be completely different at Villa, where he'll need to perform as a £45m signing. If things don't go well, and fans see his low workrate / lack of tracking back which we all know he's guilty of, he'll have the fans on him in no time. I just think Villa are about to have a great season, and I think he'd really benefit from being a part of that. It's positive risk taking. We also know he has a bit of magic that Villa are missing in the final 3rd. Forest fans love him despite the lower work rate With stats these days Villa know what they are getting from him. I doubt they will be doing anything other than planning exactly how to use him if they do sign him |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 14, 2023 13:12:27 GMT
I think Brennan will perform very well in that Villa team with Emery as manager. Exciting move if it happens
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 14, 2023 14:16:25 GMT
Villa are set to sign Moussa Diaby from Leverkusen for about £50m, I'd be surprise if they also brought in Johnson
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Post by 60sred on Jul 14, 2023 16:17:32 GMT
Bid rejected and some of the German press are saying Barcelona maybe interested in signing Diaby. Maybe Brennan might become their best option ?
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Post by iot on Jul 14, 2023 16:37:29 GMT
I think he's better off at Forest, where there's lower expectations on him and more goodwill from the fans as a homegrown talent. It will be completely different at Villa, where he'll need to perform as a £45m signing. If things don't go well, and fans see his low workrate / lack of tracking back which we all know he's guilty of, he'll have the fans on him in no time. I just think Villa are about to have a great season, and I think he'd really benefit from being a part of that. It's positive risk taking. We also know he has a bit of magic that Villa are missing in the final 3rd. Forest fans love him despite the lower work rate With stats these days Villa know what they are getting from him. I doubt they will be doing anything other than planning exactly how to use him if they do sign him "Forest fans love him despite the lower work rate" That's my point, they tolerate it because he's come through their academy, they haven't had to pay anything to bring him to the club, and it was his goals that got them promoted. But I suspect Villa fans will be far less tolerant after forking out £45m |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 14, 2023 17:17:27 GMT
Both statements are correct , if Brennan goes we will wish him well but i think a new hero will be created by the supporters hope its another home grown academy player. As we all know players come and go from clubs the only constant is the supporters. Yes he will most prob get a warm welcome back but not done enough imo to be classed as anything special to qualify him to be in my top 100 players ive seen in a Forest shirt.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 14, 2023 22:22:31 GMT
I just think Villa are about to have a great season, and I think he'd really benefit from being a part of that. It's positive risk taking. We also know he has a bit of magic that Villa are missing in the final 3rd. Forest fans love him despite the lower work rate With stats these days Villa know what they are getting from him. I doubt they will be doing anything other than planning exactly how to use him if they do sign him "Forest fans love him despite the lower work rate" That's my point, they tolerate it because he's come through their academy, they haven't had to pay anything to bring him to the club, and it was his goals that got them promoted. But I suspect Villa fans will be far less tolerant after forking out £45m It's reductionist to say it's just because he's an academy graduate. You don't get a free pass on everything because you came through the academy if your performances are terrible. They like him more because he's an academy boy for sure, but the way he plays is a big part of that too Would the Villa fans have a shorter patience for him? Of course. Any club apart from Forest would. Is that a reason to never leave Forest? Of course not, as I said at a certain stage he needs to take positive risks |
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Post by iot on Jul 14, 2023 23:02:23 GMT
"Forest fans love him despite the lower work rate" That's my point, they tolerate it because he's come through their academy, they haven't had to pay anything to bring him to the club, and it was his goals that got them promoted. But I suspect Villa fans will be far less tolerant after forking out £45m It's reductionist to say it's just because he's an academy graduate. You don't get a free pass on everything because you came through the academy if your performances are terrible. They like him more because he's an academy boy for sure, but the way he plays is a big part of that too Would the Villa fans have a shorter patience for him? Of course. Any club apart from Forest would. Is that a reason to never leave Forest? Of course not, as I said at a certain stage he needs to take positive risks Never said it's just because he's an academy graduate. We've seen high-figure moves to larger clubs recently, such as in Dan James' case, where he's been lambasted by the club and confidence ruined. Of course I'm not saying that I don't want to see any Welsh footballer making a high profile move ever again - in some cases it will be the making of them, in others it will set them back. I strongly suspect if Johnson goes for £45m, he won't be able to live up to the expectations. I don't think it's the right time for him to move. I think we'll see better progression from him if he stays at Forest for at least another year. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 15, 2023 11:08:30 GMT
It's reductionist to say it's just because he's an academy graduate. You don't get a free pass on everything because you came through the academy if your performances are terrible. They like him more because he's an academy boy for sure, but the way he plays is a big part of that too Would the Villa fans have a shorter patience for him? Of course. Any club apart from Forest would. Is that a reason to never leave Forest? Of course not, as I said at a certain stage he needs to take positive risks Never said it's just because he's an academy graduate. We've seen high-figure moves to larger clubs recently, such as in Dan James' case, where he's been lambasted by the club and confidence ruined. Of course I'm not saying that I don't want to see any Welsh footballer making a high profile move ever again - in some cases it will be the making of them, in others it will set them back. I strongly suspect if Johnson goes for £45m, he won't be able to live up to the expectations. I don't think it's the right time for him to move. I think we'll see better progression from him if he stays at Forest for at least another year. DJ burst on the scene out of nowhere and got his move very quickly after that, after never really showing much promise. In hindsight that move was doomed to fail Brennan on the other hand has been highly rated for a long time, chased by England, and has had consecutive good seasons in League One, the Championship and now the Premier League. That shows he's meeting his trajectory and continually improving over the past 4 seasons. I think it's a completely different context to other high profile moves, this one feels right to me |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 15, 2023 15:07:43 GMT
Nothing going to happen soon Cooper has revealed today Brennan reported back to pre season injured from last international break. He seemed suprised how it had been handled and Brennan going to missing for a couple of weeks.
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Post by evans1282 on Jul 15, 2023 15:13:19 GMT
Nothing going to happen soon Cooper has revealed today Brennan reported back to pre season injured from last international break. He seemed suprised how it had been handled and Brennan going to missing for a couple of weeks. I'd take Brennans comments regarding the injury and how it's been handled with a ton of saltwater medical team highly rated by nearly every manager,Cooper just throwing shade for being called out on being a cunt. |
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Post by 60sred on Jul 15, 2023 15:36:50 GMT
Well i think you may have just described your own manager who came out and had a rant without talking to Forest and your great medical team who did not even want to test Brennan when they could have done so .
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jul 15, 2023 15:49:27 GMT
What exactly is today's story about Brennan, Cooper etc, and where does it emanate from? All I can find is that Forest beat Notts County 1-0 in a 'derby' (friendly) earlier today. Is Cooper a bit touchy because of Villa's interest in Brennan, I wonder?
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Post by evans1282 on Jul 15, 2023 15:50:24 GMT
Well i think you may have just described your own manager who came out and had a rant without talking to Forest and your great medical team who did not even want to test Brennan when they could have done so . Loyalty to your club is so quaint, international.managers are used these days to players reporting to be assessed it's no longer the Fergie rule,and the medical team is highly rated ,it was them that picked up on David Broiks cancer.But as I said, quaint supporting your manager,give it a year and you'll be supporting another, no mark.Wales team and system may not be perfect but I'd take our medical teams knowledge over Coopers and some arse licking forest devotee. |
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Post by surge on Jul 15, 2023 16:28:32 GMT
Well i think you may have just described your own manager who came out and had a rant without talking to Forest and your great medical team who did not even want to test Brennan when they could have done so . Look, two points: 1. I'm 99% sure that you've argued in this thread that i) Brennan shouldn't be overplayed, ii) Forest were right to play game after game when our lot were suggesting it's the the wrong thing circa the '22-'23 Forest injury crisis and iii) Cymru/Wales should have used him more in the World Cup. It's difficult to see how that's a coherent argument when added together even if individually the points make sense. Especially when Forest played him for 90+ minutes in final game of last season with no league points on the line. 2. If you're response, as per the quoted post above, is that Page and Cooper share a limitation as a manager, then I don't think it's the slam dunk you're wanting it to be. Cooper is meant to be streets ahead of where Page is currently. It's really interesting to have a Forest fan's take on things but I do think you're at times a little bit too biased at times. It's right to be wary of over-playing and picking up injuries that aren't needed; Brennan's a good talent but a lot to learn so both managers (club and international) should protect him a bit more and be a bit smarter with it; and we'll all fans of the kid so let's show him a bit more love. |
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 15, 2023 16:38:57 GMT
Brennan seems to be in the bizarre position of being overrated and underrated at the same time.
The ones who overrate him seem to go a bit over the top, and the ones who underrate him seem to have underestimated his talents.
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Post by rushy on Jul 15, 2023 17:58:49 GMT
I don't think Cooper has a problem with the FAW , his beef is probably with the tactless Page shooting his mouth off.
The interest in Johnson is not surprising but I still think another season at Forest would bring him on again, but not convinced Forest or Villa will have a great season coming up.
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 15, 2023 22:08:10 GMT
I don't think Cooper has a problem with the FAW , his beef is probably with the tactless Page shooting his mouth off. The interest in Johnson is not surprising but I still think another season at Forest would bring him on again, but not convinced Forest or Villa will have a great season coming up. Cooper seems to have a veiled dig whenever he talks about Wales (he indirectly said something when talking about Hennessey’s current injury) but, yeah, I think it’s Page he’s digging at rather than Wales in general. |
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Post by iot on Jul 16, 2023 4:00:50 GMT
Never said it's just because he's an academy graduate. We've seen high-figure moves to larger clubs recently, such as in Dan James' case, where he's been lambasted by the club and confidence ruined. Of course I'm not saying that I don't want to see any Welsh footballer making a high profile move ever again - in some cases it will be the making of them, in others it will set them back. I strongly suspect if Johnson goes for £45m, he won't be able to live up to the expectations. I don't think it's the right time for him to move. I think we'll see better progression from him if he stays at Forest for at least another year. DJ burst on the scene out of nowhere and got his move very quickly after that, after never really showing much promise. In hindsight that move was doomed to fail Brennan on the other hand has been highly rated for a long time, chased by England, and has had consecutive good seasons in League One, the Championship and now the Premier League. That shows he's meeting his trajectory and continually improving over the past 4 seasons. I think it's a completely different context to other high profile moves, this one feels right to me Thst's not quite right. James was electrifying in the Championship which earned him that move. And I wasn't really referring to his move to Man U. That was actually quite successful where he did well for large periods, then as an impact sub, before returning a good profit. It was a low risk move for them at 15m which ultimately paid off. It was the Leeds move, where he went for bigger money and struggled to be the talisman they were hoping for, that really affected his confidence imo. On Johnson, yes he's progressed nicely from L1 to Prem, although there was a lot of room for improvement in his debut prem season. He has a couple of traits that I think will affect how much fans endear to him, most notably his low work ethic and lack of tracking back. Villa fans will be far less forgiving after spending so much on him. That could then affect his confidence, performances, and development, as we've seen in other cases. Getting to the point where I'm starting to repeat myself now, so I'll leave it there. Overall, a potential £45m move to Villa doesn't excite me and I'd prefer to see him stick with Forest. I'd actually much prefer if he went to Man City (as has also been rumoured in the past) where he would have a Mahrez type role of playing 20-30 games and can develop under Pep without the pressure of having to be the main man. But those rumours seem to have subsided unfortunately |
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