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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 16, 2023 9:25:07 GMT
DJ burst on the scene out of nowhere and got his move very quickly after that, after never really showing much promise. In hindsight that move was doomed to fail Brennan on the other hand has been highly rated for a long time, chased by England, and has had consecutive good seasons in League One, the Championship and now the Premier League. That shows he's meeting his trajectory and continually improving over the past 4 seasons. I think it's a completely different context to other high profile moves, this one feels right to me Thst's not quite right. James was electrifying in the Championship which earned him that move. And I wasn't really referring to his move to Man U. That was actually quite successful where he did well for large periods, then as an impact sub, before returning a good profit. It was a low risk move for them at 15m which ultimately paid off. It was the Leeds move, where he went for bigger money and struggled to be the talisman they were hoping for, that really affected his confidence imo. On Johnson, yes he's progressed nicely from L1 to Prem, although there was a lot of room for improvement in his debut prem season. He has a couple of traits that I think will affect how much fans endear to him, most notably his low work ethic and lack of tracking back. Villa fans will be far less forgiving after spending so much on him. That could then affect his confidence, performances, and development, as we've seen in other cases. Getting to the point where I'm starting to repeat myself now, so I'll leave it there. Overall, a potential £45m move to Villa doesn't excite me and I'd prefer to see him stick with Forest. I'd actually much prefer if he went to Man City (as has also been rumoured in the past) where he would have a Mahrez type role of playing 20-30 games and can develop under Pep without the pressure of having to be the main man. But those rumours seem to have subsided unfortunately Well this move wouldn't be comparable to the Leeds move, it would only be comparable to the Man United move as a move upwards. And despite the fact I agree with you about the retrospective on DJ's time at United, the fans there were going to town on him on social media for having "Championship quality" that is something Brennan clearly doesn't have Of course there will be some room for improvement in his debut season, he's not the finished article. But the fact one of the European clubs has looked at his performances and is willing to pay £45 million for him shows you they value what he's good at, not what he can't do. I also think you're overplaying some of his "traits". The Forest fans wouldn't accept minimal effort in a season where they are fighting for their lives, and it was reported that his work rate did improve throughout the season too. I think the idea he would just turn up for Villa and be a luxury player is way off. Wouldn't happen |
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Post by iot on Jul 16, 2023 9:57:46 GMT
Thst's not quite right. James was electrifying in the Championship which earned him that move. And I wasn't really referring to his move to Man U. That was actually quite successful where he did well for large periods, then as an impact sub, before returning a good profit. It was a low risk move for them at 15m which ultimately paid off. It was the Leeds move, where he went for bigger money and struggled to be the talisman they were hoping for, that really affected his confidence imo. On Johnson, yes he's progressed nicely from L1 to Prem, although there was a lot of room for improvement in his debut prem season. He has a couple of traits that I think will affect how much fans endear to him, most notably his low work ethic and lack of tracking back. Villa fans will be far less forgiving after spending so much on him. That could then affect his confidence, performances, and development, as we've seen in other cases. Getting to the point where I'm starting to repeat myself now, so I'll leave it there. Overall, a potential £45m move to Villa doesn't excite me and I'd prefer to see him stick with Forest. I'd actually much prefer if he went to Man City (as has also been rumoured in the past) where he would have a Mahrez type role of playing 20-30 games and can develop under Pep without the pressure of having to be the main man. But those rumours seem to have subsided unfortunately Well this move wouldn't be comparable to the Leeds move, it would only be comparable to the Man United move as a move upwards. And despite the fact I agree with you about the retrospective on DJ's time at United, the fans there were going to town on him on social media for having "Championship quality" that is something Brennan clearly doesn't have Of course there will be some room for improvement in his debut season, he's not the finished article. But the fact one of the European clubs has looked at his performances and is willing to pay £45 million for him shows you they value what he's good at, not what he can't do. I also think you're overplaying some of his "traits". The Forest fans wouldn't accept minimal effort in a season where they are fighting for their lives, and it was reported that his work rate did improve throughout the season too. I think the idea he would just turn up for Villa and be a luxury player is way off. Wouldn't happen It's comparable to the Leeds move in respect of the main point I'm making - that large money moves to clubs where you're expected to be the main man comes with its pressures, and that can often set players back. I'd prefer to see Johnson improve his work ethic and all-round game before that sort of move, or go to a demanding coach like Pep where the same pressures wouldn't be in place because he would just be a squad player. No exaggeration, just look at his most recent performances for us to see those weaknesses. His lack of tracking back played a significant part in Connor Roberts getting ripped down our right flank, and directly leading to one or two of the Albanian goals. There were times with Forest where he did show better work ethic, but not consistently and he did come in for some flak (to the point where his dad found himself in a couple of skirmishes with other Forest fans because of the criticism he was getting in the stands). |
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Post by rushy on Jul 16, 2023 13:31:42 GMT
Johnson has pace as his main asset, doesn't appear particularly skilful, can score goals too of course which like the rest of his game can be improved upon, and that's why I think another year at Forest would benefit him, having said that I hope he has the attitude and desire to want to improve his game., because he can IF he wants.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 16, 2023 22:12:50 GMT
Well this move wouldn't be comparable to the Leeds move, it would only be comparable to the Man United move as a move upwards. And despite the fact I agree with you about the retrospective on DJ's time at United, the fans there were going to town on him on social media for having "Championship quality" that is something Brennan clearly doesn't have Of course there will be some room for improvement in his debut season, he's not the finished article. But the fact one of the European clubs has looked at his performances and is willing to pay £45 million for him shows you they value what he's good at, not what he can't do. I also think you're overplaying some of his "traits". The Forest fans wouldn't accept minimal effort in a season where they are fighting for their lives, and it was reported that his work rate did improve throughout the season too. I think the idea he would just turn up for Villa and be a luxury player is way off. Wouldn't happen It's comparable to the Leeds move in respect of the main point I'm making - that large money moves to clubs where you're expected to be the main man comes with its pressures, and that can often set players back. I'd prefer to see Johnson improve his work ethic and all-round game before that sort of move, or go to a demanding coach like Pep where the same pressures wouldn't be in place because he would just be a squad player. No exaggeration, just look at his most recent performances for us to see those weaknesses. His lack of tracking back played a significant part in Connor Roberts getting ripped down our right flank, and directly leading to one or two of the Albanian goals. There were times with Forest where he did show better work ethic, but not consistently and he did come in for some flak (to the point where his dad found himself in a couple of skirmishes with other Forest fans because of the criticism he was getting in the stands). I don't think Brennan was to blame for the Armenia defensive performance. Mepham and Rodon had their worst games in Wales shirts, and if your two CBs put up their worst ever performances you stand little chance defensively. Roberts had a bad game too, but there wasn't much he could do. If Brennan tracked back more we'd have still conceded 4 goals in that game I think Emery is a good manager who does demand a lot from his players, I think he'd be good for Brennan. Of course Pep would, but Brennan would probably have to have at least a year on the bench for him, which is a whole year not playing potentially. That's not a great scenario for us short term even if it ends in better results long term |
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Post by iot on Jul 16, 2023 22:47:26 GMT
It's comparable to the Leeds move in respect of the main point I'm making - that large money moves to clubs where you're expected to be the main man comes with its pressures, and that can often set players back. I'd prefer to see Johnson improve his work ethic and all-round game before that sort of move, or go to a demanding coach like Pep where the same pressures wouldn't be in place because he would just be a squad player. No exaggeration, just look at his most recent performances for us to see those weaknesses. His lack of tracking back played a significant part in Connor Roberts getting ripped down our right flank, and directly leading to one or two of the Albanian goals. There were times with Forest where he did show better work ethic, but not consistently and he did come in for some flak (to the point where his dad found himself in a couple of skirmishes with other Forest fans because of the criticism he was getting in the stands). I don't think Brennan was to blame for the Armenia defensive performance. Mepham and Rodon had their worst games in Wales shirts, and if your two CBs put up their worst ever performances you stand little chance defensively. Roberts had a bad game too, but there wasn't much he could do. If Brennan tracked back more we'd have still conceded 4 goals in that game I think Emery is a good manager who does demand a lot from his players, I think he'd be good for Brennan. Of course Pep would, but Brennan would probably have to have at least a year on the bench for him, which is a whole year not playing potentially. That's not a great scenario for us short term even if it ends in better results long term Can't say I agree with any of that first para. Had a very good view of the first half goals from where I was sitting. One, in particular, stands out where they scored from the cut-back. Nothing to do with the CBs - any CB will tell you they have to be in place to block balls across the 6 yard box. The fault was firstly in midfield with no one tracking the runner, then Roberts for being too standoff-ish, and then with Brennan for offering no support down that flank. It's just a nonsense to say those 4 goals would still have happened if Brennan had worked harder. There were many occasions where Roberts almost had to stand off because he had 2 to watch with Brennan no where in sight. Think you've misunderstood the point on the second para. I know Emery would push him at Villa. But there's a difference between being pushed by Pep for his own development as a squad player with a view of him pushing for a starting spot in a year or two, and being pushed by Emery because you're his main man with an expectation on you producing immediate results. I very much doubt he wouldn't play at all for a year, he'd probably play something similar to Mahrez (who's moving on btw) which was still about 20-30 games |
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Post by dai on Jul 17, 2023 9:26:17 GMT
He is not good enough to play for Man City.
However I reckon a move is very much on the cards judging by how things have panned out over the latter end of the season. His father has also expressed frustration towards Cooper and Forest for how he's been treated so I think there's a bit of unsettlement.
I've also heard Brentford are after him, which could be an even better fit imo.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 17, 2023 12:08:31 GMT
I don't think Brennan was to blame for the Armenia defensive performance. Mepham and Rodon had their worst games in Wales shirts, and if your two CBs put up their worst ever performances you stand little chance defensively. Roberts had a bad game too, but there wasn't much he could do. If Brennan tracked back more we'd have still conceded 4 goals in that game I think Emery is a good manager who does demand a lot from his players, I think he'd be good for Brennan. Of course Pep would, but Brennan would probably have to have at least a year on the bench for him, which is a whole year not playing potentially. That's not a great scenario for us short term even if it ends in better results long term . The fault was firstly in midfield with no one tracking the runner, then Roberts for being too standoff-ish, and then with Brennan for offering no support down that flank. It's just a nonsense to say those 4 goals would still have happened if Brennan had worked harder. There were many occasions where Roberts almost had to stand off because he had 2 to watch with Brennan no where in sight. Think you've misunderstood the point on the second para. I know Emery would push him at Villa. But there's a difference between being pushed by Pep for his own development as a squad player with a view of him pushing for a starting spot in a year or two, and being pushed by Emery because you're his main man with an expectation on you producing immediate results. I very much doubt he wouldn't play at all for a year, he'd probably play something similar to Mahrez (who's moving on btw) which was still about 20-30 games Not if there's no striker anywhere near the 6 yard box, and especially not if there is someone lurking in such a dangerous space like their midfielder was. The defense should have been tight to the most dangerous player, with no other runners near the box they were way out of position It's not though, because they would have still scored all of them if he had been better positioned due to the poor positioning of everyone else behind him. Whilst there were occasions like you said, none of them caused the goals |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 17, 2023 12:16:28 GMT
He is not good enough to play for Man City. However I reckon a move is very much on the cards judging by how things have panned out over the latter end of the season. His father has also expressed frustration towards Cooper and Forest for how he's been treated so I think there's a bit of unsettlement. I've also heard Brentford are after him, which could be an even better fit imo. Less expectation at Brentford, but feels a bit precarious. I think they're one of those clubs who are doing well at the moment, but a managerial change or just a change in form could see them relegated. Villa feel like a big club on the up and I think ultimately we should want our players to be a starter for clubs like that, Brennan is good enough to be imo |
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Post by iot on Jul 17, 2023 12:35:20 GMT
Can't say I agree with any of that first para. Had a very good view of the first half goals from where I was sitting. One, in particular, stands out where they scored from the cut-back. Nothing to do with the CBs - any CB will tell you they have to be in place to block balls across the 6 yard box. The fault was firstly in midfield with no one tracking the runner, then Roberts for being too standoff-ish, and then with Brennan for offering no support down that flank. It's just a nonsense to say those 4 goals would still have happened if Brennan had worked harder. There were many occasions where Roberts almost had to stand off because he had 2 to watch with Brennan no where in sight. Think you've misunderstood the point on the second para. I know Emery would push him at Villa. But there's a difference between being pushed by Pep for his own development as a squad player with a view of him pushing for a starting spot in a year or two, and being pushed by Emery because you're his main man with an expectation on you producing immediate results. I very much doubt he wouldn't play at all for a year, he'd probably play something similar to Mahrez (who's moving on btw) which was still about 20-30 games Not if there's no striker anywhere near the 6 yard box, and especially not if there is someone lurking in such a dangerous space like their midfielder was. The defense should have been tight to the most dangerous player, with no other runners near the box they were way out of position It's not though, because they would have still scored all of them if he had been better positioned due to the poor positioning of everyone else behind him. Whilst there were occasions like you said, none of them caused the goals Incorrect, that's simply not how centre backs are coached. If a wide player has the ball on the byeline 10 yards in from the goaline, the CBs are expected to keep to that line or a couple of yards deeper. It's not their job to push up 10 yards to mark an incoming midfield runner, thereby leaving a completely ragged defensive line. It's our midfielders' job to track those runs. Just watched the highlights back. First goal, we get done on the counter. Brennan's pushed up hoping for the ball to come through, but it's intercepted. He then just incredibly casually jogs back while Albania counter. The player that was behind him in their final third (their no.21 - might have been their left back) runs past him and proceeds 60-70 metres up field with Brennan continuing his light stroll (he's just let him go). Connor Roberts has tucked inside - probably too much, but I think that's how we'd been set up, and to be fair another of their players was running with the ball and arguably kept Roberts pinned infield. That player then plays it out to their no.21 (who Brennan seems to have forgotten about), who's in about 10 yards of space and picks out their midfield runner who smashes it in. Watching it back, I think a strong case can be made for Brennan being most at fault. I would encourage you to watch that first goal back and focus on Brennan's movement - it's incredibly frustrating: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo9KsdV_2_o |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 17, 2023 14:28:43 GMT
Not if there's no striker anywhere near the 6 yard box, and especially not if there is someone lurking in such a dangerous space like their midfielder was. The defense should have been tight to the most dangerous player, with no other runners near the box they were way out of position It's not though, because they would have still scored all of them if he had been better positioned due to the poor positioning of everyone else behind him. Whilst there were occasions like you said, none of them caused the goals Incorrect, that's simply not how centre backs are coached. If a wide player has the ball on the byeline 10 yards in from the goaline, the CBs are expected to keep to that line or a couple of yards deeper. It's not their job to push up 10 yards to mark an incoming midfield runner, thereby leaving a completely ragged defensive line. It's our midfielders' job to track those runs. Just watched the highlights back. First goal, we get done on the counter. Brennan's pushed up hoping for the ball to come through, but it's intercepted. He then just incredibly casually jogs back while Albania counter. The player that was behind him in their final third (their no.21 - might have been their left back) runs past him and proceeds 60-70 metres up field with Brennan continuing his light stroll (he's just let him go). Connor Roberts has tucked inside - probably too much, but I think that's how we'd been set up, and to be fair another of their players was running with the ball and arguably kept Roberts pinned infield. That player then plays it out to their no.21 (who Brennan seems to have forgotten about), who's in about 10 yards of space and picks out their midfield runner who smashes it in. Watching it back, I think a strong case can be made for Brennan being most at fault. I would encourage you to watch that first goal back and focus on Brennan's movement - it's incredibly frustrating: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo9KsdV_2_oIncorrect. I don't disagree Brennan could have worked harder, but realistically where Armenia worked the ball to isn't a dangerous position, it's pretty basic CB play to be able to defend that, but in this case Mepham does completely the wrong thing. Notice how many times we got into a similar position to Armenia throughout the game and we didn't score from it. That's because Armenia's CBs made the right decisions situationally Now watch this video so I can explain what I mean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zrrqrfB5Wc&ab_channel=Sgorio) Firstly pause it at 0:47 seconds. What should happen from here is Mepham and Rodon should hold their position, Connor Roberts should prevent any cross into the 6 yard box, and even if he doesn't they are well positioned to reach the ball before any on-runners (there aren't any). Connor actually does his job in that respect, but Mepham doesn't do his Now pause on 0:49 seconds. See how Mepham has inexplicably dropped off despite no threat around him, Rodon has actually done the right thing, and if Mepham stays in line with him the shot gets blocked 9 times out of 10. When there is no threat into the 6 yard box and the fullback is covering the cross, the CBs are coached to get tight to the danger men in the box or to hold the middle and be able to react, in this case Zelaryan acting as the 2nd striker is the danger man, and dropping off allows him 5 yards of space in the box |
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Post by iot on Jul 17, 2023 15:23:56 GMT
Incorrect, that's simply not how centre backs are coached. If a wide player has the ball on the byeline 10 yards in from the goaline, the CBs are expected to keep to that line or a couple of yards deeper. It's not their job to push up 10 yards to mark an incoming midfield runner, thereby leaving a completely ragged defensive line. It's our midfielders' job to track those runs. Just watched the highlights back. First goal, we get done on the counter. Brennan's pushed up hoping for the ball to come through, but it's intercepted. He then just incredibly casually jogs back while Albania counter. The player that was behind him in their final third (their no.21 - might have been their left back) runs past him and proceeds 60-70 metres up field with Brennan continuing his light stroll (he's just let him go). Connor Roberts has tucked inside - probably too much, but I think that's how we'd been set up, and to be fair another of their players was running with the ball and arguably kept Roberts pinned infield. That player then plays it out to their no.21 (who Brennan seems to have forgotten about), who's in about 10 yards of space and picks out their midfield runner who smashes it in. Watching it back, I think a strong case can be made for Brennan being most at fault. I would encourage you to watch that first goal back and focus on Brennan's movement - it's incredibly frustrating: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo9KsdV_2_oIncorrect. I don't disagree Brennan could have worked harder, but realistically where Armenia worked the ball to isn't a dangerous position, it's pretty basic CB play to be able to defend that, but in this case Mepham does completely the wrong thing. Notice how many times we got into a similar position to Armenia throughout the game and we didn't score from it. That's because Armenia's CBs made the right decisions situationally Now watch this video so I can explain what I mean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zrrqrfB5Wc&ab_channel=Sgorio) Firstly pause it at 0:47 seconds. What should happen from here is Mepham and Rodon should hold their position, Connor Roberts should prevent any cross into the 6 yard box, and even if he doesn't they are well positioned to reach the ball before any on-runners (there aren't any). Connor actually does his job in that respect, but Mepham doesn't do his Now pause on 0:49 seconds. See how Mepham has inexplicably dropped off despite no threat around him, Rodon has actually done the right thing, and if Mepham stays in line with him the shot gets blocked 9 times out of 10. When there is no threat into the 6 yard box and the fullback is covering the cross, the CBs are coached to get tight to the danger men in the box or to hold the middle and be able to react, in this case Zelaryan acting as the 2nd striker is the danger man, and dropping off allows him 5 yards of space in the box Not sure why you want to look at footage which only contains about 4 seconds on the goal, rather than the one I posted which showed it from start to finish. You say 'Where Armenia worked the ball to isn't a dangerous position' - well yes, it is when they're transitioning and when the player is given free reign to move into that area with about 10 yards of space to pick out his man. If Brennan had kept up with the run initially, I doubt he would have even moved into that area. I've never done any coaching, but from everything I've heard and read I'm pretty sure you're just misunderstanding the CB's job in that scenario. In this scenario, with a RB going out to meet a wide player in that position, it's the RCB's role to cover the ball across the 6-yard box. That's the space they're expected to occupy, and that's what you see nine times out of ten in any football match. In a well-drilled team, we'd then have the CMs picking up any runs from deep into the box. It was on the transition, and that's where playing Ramsey in that position (which I think you called for before the game) really leaves us vulnerable. To be fair to Ampadu, he picks up another player, so it should have been Ramsey picking up the scorer. Anyway I digress - I didn't expect to go into frame by frame analysis of goals, but it goes back to the point that Brennan has significant deficiencies in his game which can leave us vulnerable and were evident in our most recent games, which you seemed to dispute. I think the footage speaks for itself. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 17, 2023 15:38:00 GMT
Incorrect. I don't disagree Brennan could have worked harder, but realistically where Armenia worked the ball to isn't a dangerous position, it's pretty basic CB play to be able to defend that, but in this case Mepham does completely the wrong thing. Notice how many times we got into a similar position to Armenia throughout the game and we didn't score from it. That's because Armenia's CBs made the right decisions situationally Now watch this video so I can explain what I mean (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zrrqrfB5Wc&ab_channel=Sgorio) Firstly pause it at 0:47 seconds. What should happen from here is Mepham and Rodon should hold their position, Connor Roberts should prevent any cross into the 6 yard box, and even if he doesn't they are well positioned to reach the ball before any on-runners (there aren't any). Connor actually does his job in that respect, but Mepham doesn't do his Now pause on 0:49 seconds. See how Mepham has inexplicably dropped off despite no threat around him, Rodon has actually done the right thing, and if Mepham stays in line with him the shot gets blocked 9 times out of 10. When there is no threat into the 6 yard box and the fullback is covering the cross, the CBs are coached to get tight to the danger men in the box or to hold the middle and be able to react, in this case Zelaryan acting as the 2nd striker is the danger man, and dropping off allows him 5 yards of space in the box Not sure why you want to look at footage which only contains about 4 seconds on the goal, rather than the one I posted which showed it from start to finish. You say 'Where Armenia worked the ball to isn't a dangerous position' - well yes, it is when they're transitioning and when the player is given free reign to move into that area with about 10 yards of space to pick out his man. If Brennan had kept up with the run initially, I doubt he would have even moved into that area. I've never done any coaching, but from everything I've heard and read I'm pretty sure you're just misunderstanding the CB's job in that scenario. In this scenario, with a RB going out to meet a wide player in that position, it's the RCB's role to cover the ball across the 6-yard box. That's the space they're expected to occupy, and that's what you see nine times out of ten in any football match. In a well-drilled team, we'd then have the CMs picking up any runs from deep into the box. It was on the transition, and that's where playing Ramsey in that position (which I think you called for before the game) really leaves us vulnerable. To be fair to Ampadu, he picks up another player, so it should have been Ramsey picking up the scorer. Anyway I digress - I didn't expect to go into frame by frame analysis of goals, but it goes back to the point that Brennan has significant deficiencies in his game which can leave us vulnerable and were evident in our most recent games, which you seemed to dispute. I think the footage speaks for itself. Because I'm highlighting the specific moments where I believe the error was made. I'm not disputing how hard Brennan worked, he could have worked harder, but I disagree that his lack of defensive contribution is what caused the first goal. Perhaps he could have prevented it, we'll never know. But I disagree with pinning this on a young 22 year old forward by saying he should have perfectly executed his roles/duties in both an attacking sense and defensive sense, whilst allowing two experienced CBs both 25 years old now to not even do the bare minimum in their sole duty which is to defend I'm pinpointing the moment that the goal was caused. As a youth I played CB for a football league club for a bit and have since coached the game. Not that that makes me right and you wrong, football is open to interpretation. But honestly watch similar scenarios in the Premier League. They will only drop back to the 6 yard box when there is a threat, otherwise they will hold the line and stop any deep runners having free pops at goal from 12-15 yards Ramsey should have been tracking back more, and his performance was the most disappointing for me besides Rodon. I did advocate for him being there although I wanted him in there as a 6, with very limited attacking duties. That's not what we got, we got Ramsey as an attacking 8 which left Ampadu exposed. If I was managing the team I'd make it very clear Ramsey is in there as a defensive midfielder to help advance build up play, and if he had performed in that way we wouldn't have lost imo. But Page obviously gave him different instructions and I'd have never advocated for it if I knew Page would set us/him up in that way |
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Post by iot on Jul 17, 2023 18:34:32 GMT
Not sure why you want to look at footage which only contains about 4 seconds on the goal, rather than the one I posted which showed it from start to finish. You say 'Where Armenia worked the ball to isn't a dangerous position' - well yes, it is when they're transitioning and when the player is given free reign to move into that area with about 10 yards of space to pick out his man. If Brennan had kept up with the run initially, I doubt he would have even moved into that area. I've never done any coaching, but from everything I've heard and read I'm pretty sure you're just misunderstanding the CB's job in that scenario. In this scenario, with a RB going out to meet a wide player in that position, it's the RCB's role to cover the ball across the 6-yard box. That's the space they're expected to occupy, and that's what you see nine times out of ten in any football match. In a well-drilled team, we'd then have the CMs picking up any runs from deep into the box. It was on the transition, and that's where playing Ramsey in that position (which I think you called for before the game) really leaves us vulnerable. To be fair to Ampadu, he picks up another player, so it should have been Ramsey picking up the scorer. Anyway I digress - I didn't expect to go into frame by frame analysis of goals, but it goes back to the point that Brennan has significant deficiencies in his game which can leave us vulnerable and were evident in our most recent games, which you seemed to dispute. I think the footage speaks for itself. Because I'm highlighting the specific moments where I believe the error was made. I'm not disputing how hard Brennan worked, he could have worked harder, but I disagree that his lack of defensive contribution is what caused the first goal. Perhaps he could have prevented it, we'll never know. But I disagree with pinning this on a young 22 year old forward by saying he should have perfectly executed his roles/duties in both an attacking sense and defensive sense, whilst allowing two experienced CBs both 25 years old now to not even do the bare minimum in their sole duty which is to defend I'm pinpointing the moment that the goal was caused. As a youth I played CB for a football league club for a bit and have since coached the game. Not that that makes me right and you wrong, football is open to interpretation. But honestly watch similar scenarios in the Premier League. They will only drop back to the 6 yard box when there is a threat, otherwise they will hold the line and stop any deep runners having free pops at goal from 12-15 yards Ramsey should have been tracking back more, and his performance was the most disappointing for me besides Rodon. I did advocate for him being there although I wanted him in there as a 6, with very limited attacking duties. That's not what we got, we got Ramsey as an attacking 8 which left Ampadu exposed. If I was managing the team I'd make it very clear Ramsey is in there as a defensive midfielder to help advance build up play, and if he had performed in that way we wouldn't have lost imo. But Page obviously gave him different instructions and I'd have never advocated for it if I knew Page would set us/him up in that way "Because I'm highlighting the specific moments where I believe the error was made. I'm not disputing how hard Brennan worked, he could have worked harder, but I disagree that his lack of defensive contribution is what caused the first goal. Perhaps he could have prevented it, we'll never know. But I disagree with pinning this on a young 22 year old forward by saying he should have perfectly executed his roles/duties in both an attacking sense and defensive sense, whilst allowing two experienced CBs both 25 years old now to not even do the bare minimum in their sole duty which is to defend" With respect, the reason Brennan's role in the goal is being discussed, and not the CBs, is because this is the Brennan Johnson thread and came from a wider discussion on his deficiencies (namely his low work ethic and lack of tracking back) which could make him unpopular at a club that's splashed out £45m on him, particularly if it contributes to conceding goals as it did here. I maintain that those traits were just as apparent in his most recent performances as they were in his earliest ones, despite talk of progress on that front. I think he would be better-placed addressing those before making a big move that will come with high pressure. "I'm pinpointing the moment that the goal was caused. As a youth I played CB for a football league club for a bit and have since coached the game. Not that that makes me right and you wrong, football is open to interpretation. But honestly watch similar scenarios in the Premier League. They will only drop back to the 6 yard box when there is a threat, otherwise they will hold the line and stop any deep runners having free pops at goal from 12-15 yards" Fair enough, sounds like you're more qualified to comment. All I'll say is I'm surprised to hear that because it seems to contrast with what I've seen, read, and heard. CBs very rarely shoot up to the edge of the box to pick up midfield runners when an opposition wide player is close to the goal line. "Ramsey should have been tracking back more, and his performance was the most disappointing for me besides Rodon. I did advocate for him being there although I wanted him in there as a 6, with very limited attacking duties. That's not what we got, we got Ramsey as an attacking 8 which left Ampadu exposed. If I was managing the team I'd make it very clear Ramsey is in there as a defensive midfielder to help advance build up play, and if he had performed in that way we wouldn't have lost imo. But Page obviously gave him different instructions and I'd have never advocated for it if I knew Page would set us/him up in that way" Not sure you can pin that on Page. Ramsey used to get a bit of flak at Arsenal for defensive indiscipline when playing in a double pivot. He's an all-action midfielder whose instinct is to get involved as much as possible. A midfield two of Ampadu-Ramsey was never going to work as I warned at the time - Ramsey can only play deeper in midfield if he has two energetic midfielders next to him. |
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 1, 2023 2:45:00 GMT
The current transfer rumour suggests if Kane is sold to Bayern Tottenham will sign Johnson for 50 million
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Post by bobbyghoul on Aug 1, 2023 8:48:23 GMT
The current transfer rumour suggests if Kane is sold to Bayern Tottenham will sign Johnson for 50 million Well they are like for like after all... |
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Post by manulike on Aug 1, 2023 11:38:11 GMT
The current transfer rumour suggests if Kane is sold to Bayern Tottenham will sign Johnson for 50 million Well they are like for like after all... I take personal offense from that rumour! #Ry'nNiYmaoHyd |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 12, 2023 12:18:19 GMT
Apparently he's missed most of pre-season, and it showed there as he misses a 1v1 against Ramsdale
Playing as an orthodox no.9 today in Awoniyi's absence
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Post by 60sred on Aug 13, 2023 8:27:01 GMT
Apparently he's missed most of pre-season, and it showed there as he misses a 1v1 against Ramsdale Playing as an orthodox no.9 today in Awoniyi's absence Only played 60 mins pre season in last game against Frankfurt , can't see him starting on Friday against Sheff U after seeing what Elanga did in his time on as a sub. Think Brennan s time is possibly up at Forest and he will mainly be on the bench until transfer window is closed for fear of another injury. If someone offers us 50m i can not see us turning it down as club is needing funds due to FFP. He has done his job for us and would wish him well where ever he may end up at. |
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Post by morg on Aug 13, 2023 12:22:06 GMT
Apparently he's missed most of pre-season, and it showed there as he misses a 1v1 against Ramsdale Playing as an orthodox no.9 today in Awoniyi's absence Only played 60 mins pre season in last game against Frankfurt , can't see him starting on Friday against Sheff U after seeing what Elanga did in his time on as a sub. Think Brennan s time is possibly up at Forest and he will mainly be on the bench until transfer window is closed for fear of another injury. If someone offers us 50m i can not see us turning it down as club is needing funds due to FFP. He has done his job for us and would wish him well where ever he may end up at. Gosh, you've changed your tune somewhat. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Aug 13, 2023 12:43:56 GMT
The BBC commentator said he missed the “best chance of the match” and looked off the pace. Maybe not match fit yet ?
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Post by 60sred on Aug 13, 2023 15:26:56 GMT
Only played 60 mins pre season in last game against Frankfurt , can't see him starting on Friday against Sheff U after seeing what Elanga did in his time on as a sub. Think Brennan s time is possibly up at Forest and he will mainly be on the bench until transfer window is closed for fear of another injury. If someone offers us 50m i can not see us turning it down as club is needing funds due to FFP. He has done his job for us and would wish him well where ever he may end up at. Gosh, you've changed your tune somewhat. i think if you look back at my older posts my stance has not changed . i said if we went down he would not be going any where and was pointing out that Brennan was as good as Gordon and his total value of sale is around 55 million after add ons. Also i stated we have a new stand to build and his sale would go towards that investment so if 50 million is offered we will take it. |
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Post by morg on Aug 13, 2023 16:01:59 GMT
I thought you were of the opinion that he should stay at Forest and develop under Cooper (who loves him) into the player you knew he could become. I think you were even planning to name a stand after him.Also if Forest were relegated, he'd stay with you to get you promoted again. Now you've stayed in the Prem and seen 20 minutes of a Man U cast off, it's Brennan out the door to pay for the stand.
Cymru loves you Brennan butty, don't you worry Bach 😊
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 13, 2023 20:36:09 GMT
Elanga was operating mostly from the left anyway, and definitely benefitted from being up against tired legs
No reason both Brennan & Elanga couldn't start in the same system as Awoniyi in a back 4 too. Brennan certainly still not quite up to match pace but will get there soon enough
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 17, 2023 14:45:00 GMT
Being linked to Chelsea this morning as the Michael Olise deal falls through
Interesting as he could well be the best RW at Chelsea if he were to move. Obviously his minutes are more precarious than if he moved to Brentford for example, but low-key could be a good move
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Post by robin1864 on Aug 17, 2023 14:57:09 GMT
Not sure about Chelsea. I can certainly see the appeal, but this is a team that sent Kevin De Bruyne out on loan for years before discarding him.
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 17, 2023 15:58:10 GMT
Dim diolch
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Post by iot on Aug 17, 2023 16:53:05 GMT
Being linked to Chelsea this morning as the Michael Olise deal falls through Interesting as he could well be the best RW at Chelsea if he were to move. Obviously his minutes are more precarious than if he moved to Brentford for example, but low-key could be a good move That's a bold claim. I don't think it would be a good move at all personally. I don't think it's a good fit for him stylistically or in terms of what he's currently capable of. He thrives against high defensive lines - he's not going to get that often at Chelsea! I think he would be far from first choice were he to move, and could set him back. |
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Post by janglingjack on Aug 17, 2023 17:21:14 GMT
Don't think a move to chelsea is ever a good thing is it,not for someone his age anyway,he'd go backwards thinking he is going forwards.Though with poch there maybe they will become a better club,not oe that just tries to buy up everyone and just loans them out
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Aug 18, 2023 18:29:14 GMT
Up front in tonight's starting line up against Sheffield United.
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Post by dai on Aug 18, 2023 20:19:37 GMT
Not watching the game, however I think he's being studied carefully tonight in light of the attention from Spurs and Chelsea. Sadly, he's not having good reviews on social media.
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