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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2021 23:38:00 GMT
I use the word forward not striker. No one will convince me Harris is a striker - his stats do not back that up.
So you are saying Brennan does not run the channels?
Harris is not a 9 if that is what you think a striker is. At best he is an unproductive 10. He may have filled in at 9 but a 9 needs to be far more productive than he is. Church was a more natural 9 than Harris and we all know how unproductive he was!
There are many variants of a 10 and Johnson can definitely fit one of those. The only thing Harris has over Johnson is physicality and a 6ft frame, but a 10 does not have to have that.
How can you say Brennan is not a forward given his high goalscoring/assist numbers? I think you have a narrow definition of what a striker is.
Against Estonia - home and away - Johnson was a far better choice than Harris to get a goal - as he would run at people / commit people in and around the box.
I really think there is a blurring of the lines in 'forward' positions nowadays. If you argue that in theory Harris can hold up the ball better than Johnson given his greater physicality and a 9 is defined as someone you hump the ball up to and hope it sticks then fine, but the game has moved on. I think Johnson can run the channels far more quickly than Harris. I think you perhaps are arguing you need a physical lump up front at '9' to give a point of difference. However, if that lump is unproductive then they are not they best option. Moore is productive most of the time as we have all discussed. Harris isn't yet and I'll be extremely happy if he ever gets to Moore's level of productivity
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2021 23:40:52 GMT
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Post by iot on Oct 17, 2021 7:50:26 GMT
Johnson started against Belarus, was mostly anonymous and got subbed by Harris, who had a significant impact on the game. Johnson was also very quiet on his first start for us against Mexico, and apart from winning this penalty, didn't do much at all against Finland. So he's hardly made a compelling case in his appearances for us so far. But he'll get plenty more opportunities, and I'm sure he'll come good soon. Sorry - don't completely agree His first 2 starts: 1. He gets a penalty vs Finland away 2. He had a great curling effort vs Belarus I totally agree he was not involved as much as we would have wanted but while that can partly be attributed to him, the team was pretty disjointed too Harris had a great 15 mins vs Belarus and that is it. However, lets not forget that even in that 15 mins he blew a double chance and thankfully was able to find Bale. I think everyone would agree that Johnson looks much more of a threat than Harris. I hope Harris does come good but he is coming up to 23. Johnson is just 20 and after doing extremely well in the first division last year, has carried that form into the Championship this year. His only weakness is perhaps physical - maybe he is a bit slight. Besides that he just looks class Fully agree that Johnson has way more ability and far greater potential to become an integral first team player for us. I can't see Harris ever becoming more than a useful impact sub. I'm just challenging the point you were making on the last few games which I found slightly revisionist and just used as another stick to beat Page with. You were making out that Harris was getting more opportunities than Johnson and that Page was a fool to play Harris ahead of him. I was just pointing out that Johnson has actually had way more minutes and hasn't done much with them, whereas without Harris we would probably be on 2 points fewer right now. So Harris has had a significant impact in a lot less minutes on the pitch. In fact, after the Belarus game the main gripe many of you had was that Harris didn't start against Estonia. So it's just unfair to use it to have a go at Page. There's a lot of people who don't support Page and look for reasons to have a go. Where there's substance to it, that's fair enough, but I think most of the criticisms are unfair |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 17, 2021 9:24:23 GMT
I don't really get why Harris is getting so much stick? Had he not come on in Belarus we would probably have drawn, he also did well when he came on at home to Estonia. He's not an amazing player but he can be effective and has been in the past.
Brennan obviously has more talent, but Harris as Kieffer's replacement makes sense for the time being
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 17, 2021 11:46:06 GMT
I use the word forward not striker. No one will convince me Harris is a striker - his stats do not back that up. So you are saying Brennan does not run the channels? Harris is not a 9 if that is what you think a striker is. At best he is an unproductive 10. He may have filled in at 9 but a 9 needs to be far more productive than he is. Church was a more natural 9 than Harris and we all know how unproductive he was! There are many variants of a 10 and Johnson can definitely fit one of those. The only thing Harris has over Johnson is physicality and a 6ft frame, but a 10 does not have to have that. How can you say Brennan is not a forward given his high goalscoring/assist numbers? I think you have a narrow definition of what a striker is. Against Estonia - home and away - Johnson was a far better choice than Harris to get a goal - as he would run at people / commit people in and around the box. I really think there is a blurring of the lines in 'forward' positions nowadays. If you argue that in theory Harris can hold up the ball better than Johnson given his greater physicality and a 9 is defined as someone you hump the ball up to and hope it sticks then fine, but the game has moved on. I think Johnson can run the channels far more quickly than Harris. I think you perhaps are arguing you need a physical lump up front at '9' to give a point of difference. However, if that lump is unproductive then they are not they best option. Moore is productive most of the time as we have all discussed. Harris isn't yet and I'll be extremely happy if he ever gets to Moore's level of productivity You are looking at a striker as a man who scores goals. Being a striker has FAR more to it than that. Running the channels, timing of runs, physicality, hold up play, positioning in and out of possession, ability to play with back to goal Whilst Brennan can do some of these things, he's not a natural playing as the furthest forward with his back to goal, he doesn't have the timing of his runs that Harris does, for example where Harris saved us vs Belarus. He also has more physicality which is important, as some strikers get lost in games - look at Colwill vs Belarus Again no one is saying Harris is better than Brennan, but he's playing in such a different role that you can't really compare the two, or use the comparison to criticise Page. Harris is our number 2 striker for now, Brennan is probably our 4th choice winger or 3rd choice number 10 Brennan has done fine for us when he has played, but his performances haven't demanded regular starts just yet. Perhaps over the course of the season that will change - I hope so anyway because I rate him very highly |
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Post by hooky on Nov 7, 2021 0:44:10 GMT
Brilliant today once again!
Page use him! His pace and skill frighten defenders! He is clinical in what he does.
I think he is a near certainty for a top half of the Premiership standard player.
Likewise Bodin - stopping being an amateur and pick Campbell - someone who can develop into something!
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 7, 2021 1:18:54 GMT
You wouldn't want to mark him, would you? The lad is ripping teams apart at times this season. I'll always say this, if you can tear it up in League One or the Championship you are good enough to face the likes of Belarus and Estonia, whose players aren't above that standard. I'd like to see him on the pitch at some point against Belarus.
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Post by iot on Nov 7, 2021 7:39:59 GMT
You wouldn't want to mark him, would you? The lad is ripping teams apart at times this season. I'll always say this, if you can tear it up in League One or the Championship you are good enough to face the likes of Belarus and Estonia, whose players aren't above that standard. I'd like to see him on the pitch at some point against Belarus. Before any revisionism seeps in, remember that he did start and played 60-70mins against Belarus, and struggled to influence proceedings, but agree that he should have had more gametime against Estonia |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 7, 2021 9:11:57 GMT
Would like to see Bale up front in Kieffer's absence, and then bring in Johnson on the right. I feel with Johnson & James both in form with Ramsey in behind that would be a good option
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Post by hooky on Nov 7, 2021 15:09:48 GMT
Johnson like Ramsey (but in a different way) and Brooks comes across as a 'natural' footballer. He has that feel for the game.
I want as many natural footballers as we can in the team. They tend to make the right decisions at the right time.
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 11, 2021 16:33:26 GMT
Enjoying himself in Swansea today
Anyone there report on how he’s playing?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 12, 2021 10:03:43 GMT
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Post by saturn9 on Dec 12, 2021 10:37:00 GMT
He was sublime yesterday along with Forest's number 2. Goalkeeping howler from Swansea made it 1-3, and ended any chance of a possible deserved point.
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Post by iot on Dec 12, 2021 11:38:21 GMT
Wow, absolutely shocking goals to concede. Looks like Cabango had an absolute shocker, he was badly at fault for the second and fourth goals. He's had another couple of performances like that this season, whilst he has also put in some really good displays. A few people on here seem to think he should be first choice over the likes of Mepham. This should serve as a reality check for them
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Dec 12, 2021 12:24:10 GMT
He tore us apart yesterday, he did a pretty horrendous Rivaldo-esque dive to try and get Flynn Downes sent off though which he can't be making a habit of.
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Post by robin1864 on Dec 12, 2021 16:59:51 GMT
He tore us apart yesterday, he did a pretty horrendous Rivaldo-esque dive to try and get Flynn Downes sent off though which he can't be making a habit of. When will we learn there are no prizes for playing fair? |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Dec 14, 2021 19:12:05 GMT
He tore us apart yesterday, he did a pretty horrendous Rivaldo-esque dive to try and get Flynn Downes sent off though which he can't be making a habit of. When will we learn there are no prizes for playing fair? He didn't gain anything from it, he just embarrassed himself. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 18, 2021 16:40:58 GMT
Another goal today to win the game for Forest
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 19, 2021 13:00:35 GMT
I think he's really starting to push for a starting role for us. Obviously Bale, Ramsey, James & Wilson are still ahead of him in the forward positions, but next behind them is Brennan for me now
Good performances at Championship level and now goals and assists to boot. Fantastic to see!
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Post by iot on Dec 19, 2021 13:14:00 GMT
Worth bearing in mind for balance, that although he appears to have just had two excellent games, that was preceded by a fairly quiet spell where he didn't do much since the last international break. It was the same earlier in the season - there have been a few spells where he's been quiet. I've watched a couple of games that have passed him by - the Cardiff one comes to mind as I'm sure others on here will be able to attest to.
It's a really positive season for him as his first proper season at this level. He's still just 20, so I'm sure he'll eventually step up as a premier league player and will be a regular starter for us. But I don't think he's close to pulling ahead of the likes of bale, ramsey, james and wilson yet - and hopefully Brooks if he can make a full recovery.
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Post by hooky on Dec 19, 2021 15:10:09 GMT
Worth bearing in mind that he is more productive than any other forward player we have at the momemnt other than perhaps Harry Wilson.
I said it before - Johnson is a natural footballer with an intuitive feel for the game. He makes the right decision more often than not. He also has pace to burn.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 19, 2021 23:35:43 GMT
His pace could be massive for us against so called lesser nations in qualifying. That is one thing we have in a number of areas, pace, and it is a big equaliser, the way we can counter is electric and I think Brennan will be a big part of that in the future, probably off the bench more often than not for now.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 9, 2022 10:25:34 GMT
Forest play Arsenal at 5pm in the cup, I'm not sure if Brennan will be used or if he will be rested, but if he does play it's a fantastic opportunity to showcase himself and his ability on a huge stage. It's the only game going ahead at 5pm so there will be lots of eyes
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Post by dai on Jan 9, 2022 13:25:17 GMT
Seeing as there's no Welsh players involved for Liverpoop, then I'm really looking forward to this.
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Post by dragons on Jan 9, 2022 14:18:38 GMT
Seeing as there's no Welsh players involved for Liverpoop, then I'm really looking forward to this. Charlie Caton on the bench for Shrewsbury. |
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Post by dai on Jan 9, 2022 17:58:44 GMT
Apart from one decent run down the wing, having a very quiet game so far. Arsenal are much better than Forest though.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 9, 2022 18:29:36 GMT
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Post by hooky on Jan 9, 2022 18:52:22 GMT
I am a fan of his but to be honest he has been a bit of a non entity
However he did have a small involved in the goal and showed a subtle bit of composure again which is not that common for young players
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Post by mortillsy on Jan 9, 2022 23:38:16 GMT
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Post by hooky on Jan 10, 2022 8:39:52 GMT
As stated I really like him
He is intelligent, has great technique and pace
I however feel with his talents he could be more involved at times
Nevertheless he is a premiership coach later in waiting and we are lucky to have him.
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