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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 28, 2023 18:08:22 GMT
Yeah this is the point, which aberbeg seems to have missed. I'm not disputing Bulut's analysis, simply expressing frustration that it looks like his development will be stalled further this season, particularly when Bulut was so determined to block a loan move. I think Cardiff have really messed up his development. Well Rob Page hasn’t rushed to include him either considering our midfield cupboard is completely bare. It’s not completely bare in Colwill’s position though is it? He’s competing with Ramsey, Wilson and Brooks not Ampadu, Morrell and JJ Brooks’ return has seen Rubin drop back the U21s where he’s got on with it performed well |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 28, 2023 20:48:32 GMT
That has more to do with the performances of Rinomhota and Sawyers than Colwill as well as the bizarre selection of 1 centre back and two wingers as wing backs. He also managed 4 goals/assists from the cup games Nobody’s doubting his attacking abilities unfortunately football these days has TWO sides to the game and Colwill definitely isn’t very good at the other side. Yes, but it's a little harsh to lay the blame at his door when there were defensive midfielders and defenders (who have far more defensive responsibility) who allowed Blackburn to waltz past them |
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Post by iot on Sept 29, 2023 10:14:13 GMT
I promise I'm not Glen Williams, the Cardiff City correspondent for WalesOnline(!), but we seem to have a very similar view on Colwill: 'Finally, of course, there is Rubin Colwill. Every time he has played this season, for club and country, he has looked at the peak of his powers. He is probably in the form of his life and that can only be a good thing. In cup games, in cameos, for Wales under-21s, he has stood out. The Bluebirds academy product is starting to regain his best form after a torrid year of injuries, but is yet to start a Championship match. Ramsey is clearly ahead of him in the pecking order, but Bulut's insistence on adding Wintle's steel rather than Colwill's flair from the off has perhaps played against him. I would argue that he gets too harsh a treatment. Ever since Mick McCarthy left it's been the same. Apart from Mark Hudson, the managers' appraisal of Colwill tends to focus far more on what he can't do than what he can and it just seems unfair. There isn't enough positive said about him before the inevitable "but" comes in the sentence. Take Bulut's comments post-Blackburn as a case in point. He said: "Rubin, offensively, he makes good things sometimes, but still he is keeping the ball too much. So we are losing time. He is losing time and the defenders can then organise and it's too late when he tries to give the pass or shoot. "Against the ball he has to work much, much better. I spoke with him and we still have to continue to work with him to get him to that level where we want to see him." I take the point that there are aspects of his game on which he needs to work, but his talent and potential are played down far too often for many fans' liking and it's a fair viewpoint. Of course he isn't the finished article, but he is also 21 years old now and needs to start getting a sizeable number of league minutes under his belt, because he is more than capable of being the difference-maker in this division. Then again, the manages and coaches are the ones with all the numbers, the statistics and the percentage points. There are, of course, reasons for his lack of game-time. He is perhaps viewed as a risk and too much of one at that, but one wonders when his chance will really come. If he is third in the pecking order without Ramsey, how does that sit with him? www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/erol-bulut-three-obvious-ways-27809532 |
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Post by cymroircarn on Sept 29, 2023 11:18:39 GMT
Having seen Colwill play a few times i believe Buluts comments are spot on:
Take Bulut's comments post-Blackburn as a case in point. He said: "Rubin, offensively, he makes good things sometimes, but still he is keeping the ball too much. So we are losing time. He is losing time and the defenders can then organise and it's too late when he tries to give the pass or shoot.
"Against the ball he has to work much, much better. I spoke with him and we still have to continue to work with him to get him to that level where we want to see him."
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Post by abercymru on Sept 29, 2023 15:35:04 GMT
I don't think anyone (or many people at least) doubt he has a lot to offer in attack, likewise that defensively he's got stuff to improve on (although it'd be wrong to think he'd reach the same level defensively as attacking).
Is it great for his development to spend most the time on the bench? You wouldn't think so.
But Cardiff may feel he has something to add this season and will be needed at times. It's still only eight games into the season. I'd guess his injuries have hampered his development, but if he is mostly past that now, then the club may feel they are best placed to help him develop in training, rather than be loaned down a league where he may be a star performer. That'd be good for his game time and confidence, but there's nothing to say he'd improve in the area where he is being mostly criticised.
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Post by dai on Sept 29, 2023 17:45:48 GMT
I think he needs to leave Cardiff for his own sanity.
In saying that, I don't know how he feels personally, however the lack of gametime and being 'shamed' by Bulut in public must be pretty shite.
I sort of agree with Bulut's assessment, however there's a time and a place to say those things - it's a conversation to have with the player on the training ground. Poor man management if you ask me.
I'd imagine Colwill's confidence must be incredibly low with the treatment he's had at the club so far.
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Post by abercymru on Sept 29, 2023 21:11:44 GMT
I think he needs to leave Cardiff for his own sanity. In saying that, I don't know how he feels personally, however the lack of gametime and being 'shamed' by Bulut in public. I sort of agree with Bulut's assessment, however there's a time and a place to say those things - it's a conversation to have with the player on the training ground. Poor man management if you ask me. I'd imagine Colwill's confidence must be incredibly low with the treatment he's had at the club so far. I'd guess he doesn't feel the same, as he very recently signed a contract extension. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 30, 2023 6:52:28 GMT
I think he needs to leave Cardiff for his own sanity. In saying that, I don't know how he feels personally, however the lack of gametime and being 'shamed' by Bulut in public must be pretty shite. I sort of agree with Bulut's assessment, however there's a time and a place to say those things - it's a conversation to have with the player on the training ground. Poor man management if you ask me. I'd imagine Colwill's confidence must be incredibly low with the treatment he's had at the club so far. You think Bulet has “shamed” him? Bloody hell Dai the manager was asked a question and answered it Honestly. Talk about a snowflake society…. Cowill has just signed a new contract as well as his younger brother who also came on against Blackburn they both love it at the Club. |
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Post by surge on Sept 30, 2023 9:58:08 GMT
We're not in 2010 and Mesut Ozil isn't the best player in Europe. Most successful teams now attack and defend with XI players so I think it's fair for Bulut to ask Colwill to think about how he can contribute to that.
At the same time I think the reason we hope that he develops into his best self as much as we do is because we've all seen flashes of what that can be.
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Post by dai on Sept 30, 2023 11:19:36 GMT
I think he needs to leave Cardiff for his own sanity. In saying that, I don't know how he feels personally, however the lack of gametime and being 'shamed' by Bulut in public must be pretty shite. I sort of agree with Bulut's assessment, however there's a time and a place to say those things - it's a conversation to have with the player on the training ground. Poor man management if you ask me. I'd imagine Colwill's confidence must be incredibly low with the treatment he's had at the club so far. You think Bulet has “shamed” him? Bloody hell Dai the manager was asked a question and answered it Honestly. Talk about a snowflake society…. Cowill has just signed a new contract as well as his younger brother who also came on against Blackburn they both love it at the Club. I'm as far from being a member of the snowflake society as can be, however I still stand by my statement that there's a time and a place for managers to critique players. |
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2023 15:33:30 GMT
You think Bulet has “shamed” him? Bloody hell Dai the manager was asked a question and answered it Honestly. Talk about a snowflake society…. Cowill has just signed a new contract as well as his younger brother who also came on against Blackburn they both love it at the Club. I'm as far from being a member of the snowflake society as can be, however I still stand by my statement that there's a time and a place for managers to critique players. Dai, the irony I'm afraid is that those people complaining about snowflakes are usually the biggest snowflakes of them all and do nothing but complain. |
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2023 16:37:28 GMT
Home game against relegation favourites Rotherham, with Ramsey injured, and Colwill gets... 0 minutes. And so it continues! Can anyone answer why Bulut refused the L1 loan approaches for him?
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Post by underwood on Sept 30, 2023 17:10:12 GMT
Home game against relegation favourites Rotherham, with Ramsey injured, and Colwill gets... 0 minutes. And so it continues! Can anyone answer why Bulut refused the L1 loan approaches for him? [br Probably because Bulut sees him as a more than useful member of his squad. Colwill played 90 minutes last Wednesday. There is another big game coming up on Tuesday. Cardiff didn’t get the game won until the last minute today, so unlikely he would have been brought on in such circumstances. All factors well worth considering, patently none of which you have, choosing to make knee-jerk comments instead. |
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2023 18:14:46 GMT
Home game against relegation favourites Rotherham, with Ramsey injured, and Colwill gets... 0 minutes. And so it continues! Can anyone answer why Bulut refused the L1 loan approaches for him? [br Probably because Bulut sees him as a more than useful member of his squad. Colwill played 90 minutes last Wednesday. There is another big game coming up on Tuesday. Cardiff didn’t get the game won until the last minute today, so unlikely he would have been brought on in such circumstances. All factors well worth considering, patently none of which you have, choosing to make knee-jerk comments instead. Don't be silly, I'm looking at this from a Welsh perspective, you're looking at it from a Cardiff one. The game was lost around the 60min mark on Wednesday, and at that point Bulut brought off the likes of Etete, knowing he planned on using him for this game. He left Colwill on with the kids, having decided that he wouldn't be used today (unless desperate). Bulut is a very conservative manager, his midfield selection today at home against one of the poorest sides in the division shows that. Ultimately, it worked and Bulut's doing a very good job for Cardiff, but as far as the national team's concerned he hasn't been helpful at all. If Colwill doesn't get meaningful minutes in this one with Ramsey out, it's very difficult to see him having meaningful league minutes at all this season. He actively stopped him from getting his first proper crack at first team football by blocking his loan move, and he clearly doesn't see him as an important squad member. Also, 'knee jerk reaction' is a slightly odd thing to say given I expressed my reservations when Bulut first came in (having heard the type of attributes he values) and after the Summer signings, and after Bulut's comments on Colwill (80% negative ever since pre season). I've been consistent on this throughout |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 30, 2023 19:56:26 GMT
I'm as far from being a member of the snowflake society as can be, however I still stand by my statement that there's a time and a place for managers to critique players. Dai, the irony I'm afraid is that those people complaining about snowflakes are usually the biggest snowflakes of them all and do nothing but complain. How many managers has Colwill played under? 5? So far ALL of them seem to think similar. Btw I’m not complaining about Bulet being honest in answering questions. I think Bulet is doing a great job. It’s upto Colwill to improve so that Bulet can’t leave him out. |
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Post by abercymru on Sept 30, 2023 20:08:00 GMT
[br Probably because Bulut sees him as a more than useful member of his squad. Colwill played 90 minutes last Wednesday. There is another big game coming up on Tuesday. Cardiff didn’t get the game won until the last minute today, so unlikely he would have been brought on in such circumstances. All factors well worth considering, patently none of which you have, choosing to make knee-jerk comments instead. Don't be silly, I'm looking at this from a Welsh perspective, you're looking at it from a Cardiff one. The game was lost around the 60min mark on Wednesday, and at that point Bulut brought off the likes of Etete, knowing he planned on using him for this game. He left Colwill on with the kids, having decided that he wouldn't be used today (unless desperate). Bulut is a very conservative manager, his midfield selection today at home against one of the poorest sides in the division shows that. Ultimately, it worked and Bulut's doing a very good job for Cardiff, but as far as the national team's concerned he hasn't been helpful at all. If Colwill doesn't get meaningful minutes in this one with Ramsey out, it's very difficult to see him having meaningful league minutes at all this season. He actively stopped him from getting his first proper crack at first team football by blocking his loan move, and he clearly doesn't see him as an important squad member. Also, 'knee jerk reaction' is a slightly odd thing to say given I expressed my reservations when Bulut first came in (having heard the type of attributes he values) and after the Summer signings, and after Bulut's comments on Colwill (80% negative ever since pre season). I've been consistent on this throughout The same question, regarding minutes, can be applied to a number of Welsh players, are you commenting about each of them? Or just about Colwill and making presumptions about how he will and won't be used? Colwill has played 90 minutes this week, how many has Moore played, or Cooper, or Rodon, or... The list could go on. He hasn't had a loan move blocked with a view to not being involved at all. I say that because it wouldn't make any sense to do so, and other players have been sent out on loan to get time. |
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2023 22:55:42 GMT
Dai, the irony I'm afraid is that those people complaining about snowflakes are usually the biggest snowflakes of them all and do nothing but complain. How many managers has Colwill played under? 5? So far ALL of them seem to think similar. Btw I’m not complaining about Bulet being honest in answering questions. I think Bulet is doing a great job. It’s upto Colwill to improve so that Bulet can’t leave him out. If he doesn't think Colwill has what it takes to be a valuable squad member - fine, but he could have at least not stood in the way of a loan move where he could have potentially played every week for the first time in his career. Having a bit part role for Cardiff this season can't be good for his development. |
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2023 23:03:18 GMT
Don't be silly, I'm looking at this from a Welsh perspective, you're looking at it from a Cardiff one. The game was lost around the 60min mark on Wednesday, and at that point Bulut brought off the likes of Etete, knowing he planned on using him for this game. He left Colwill on with the kids, having decided that he wouldn't be used today (unless desperate). Bulut is a very conservative manager, his midfield selection today at home against one of the poorest sides in the division shows that. Ultimately, it worked and Bulut's doing a very good job for Cardiff, but as far as the national team's concerned he hasn't been helpful at all. If Colwill doesn't get meaningful minutes in this one with Ramsey out, it's very difficult to see him having meaningful league minutes at all this season. He actively stopped him from getting his first proper crack at first team football by blocking his loan move, and he clearly doesn't see him as an important squad member. Also, 'knee jerk reaction' is a slightly odd thing to say given I expressed my reservations when Bulut first came in (having heard the type of attributes he values) and after the Summer signings, and after Bulut's comments on Colwill (80% negative ever since pre season). I've been consistent on this throughout The same question, regarding minutes, can be applied to a number of Welsh players, are you commenting about each of them? Or just about Colwill and making presumptions about how he will and won't be used? Colwill has played 90 minutes this week, how many has Moore played, or Cooper, or Rodon, or... The list could go on. He hasn't had a loan move blocked with a view to not being involved at all. I say that because it wouldn't make any sense to do so, and other players have been sent out on loan to get time. Well, every situation is different. In the past, I've bemoaned the lack of playing time for all sorts of players. For me, Colwill's the most concerning one because he's at the age where he needs to be playing every week. The others are either mid-twenties plus (and therefore have already reached their 'ceiling') or at a young age where you can't really complain if they haven't broken through yet. Actually thinking about it, I have also commented heavily on Neco's situation for similar reasons. I'm not making presumptions either, I'm commenting on his actual gametime. I couldn't tell you why Bulut blocked the loan move. Obviously the biggest concern would be if it was a very short-term decision, with Bulut deciding he needed him for cup games and as a 4th choice option (rather than splashing out on bringing someone new in) as opposed to with his longer-term development in mind. |
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Post by abercymru on Oct 1, 2023 5:27:01 GMT
The same question, regarding minutes, can be applied to a number of Welsh players, are you commenting about each of them? Or just about Colwill and making presumptions about how he will and won't be used? Colwill has played 90 minutes this week, how many has Moore played, or Cooper, or Rodon, or... The list could go on. He hasn't had a loan move blocked with a view to not being involved at all. I say that because it wouldn't make any sense to do so, and other players have been sent out on loan to get time. Well, every situation is different. In the past, I've bemoaned the lack of playing time for all sorts of players. For me, Colwill's the most concerning one because he's at the age where he needs to be playing every week. The others are either mid-twenties plus (and therefore have already reached their 'ceiling') or at a young age where you can't really complain if they haven't broken through yet. Actually thinking about it, I have also commented heavily on Neco's situation for similar reasons. I'm not making presumptions either, I'm commenting on his actual gametime. I couldn't tell you why Bulut blocked the loan move. Obviously the biggest concern would be if it was a very short-term decision, with Bulut deciding he needed him for cup games and as a 4th choice option (rather than splashing out on bringing someone new in) as opposed to with his longer-term development in mind. Oli Cooper is 18 months older than him, does that fit into the age where he needs to be playing every week? Are you commenting about him too? For all the reading between the lines of Bulut's decisions within the opening few games of the season, Colwill has played a big part in the cup, he's signed a four year contract. So it can't all be as doom and gloom as you make out? Surely he trusts in whatever plan is in place for him? He must be wanted to get that length of extension? |
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Post by iot on Oct 1, 2023 8:29:01 GMT
Well, every situation is different. In the past, I've bemoaned the lack of playing time for all sorts of players. For me, Colwill's the most concerning one because he's at the age where he needs to be playing every week. The others are either mid-twenties plus (and therefore have already reached their 'ceiling') or at a young age where you can't really complain if they haven't broken through yet. Actually thinking about it, I have also commented heavily on Neco's situation for similar reasons. I'm not making presumptions either, I'm commenting on his actual gametime. I couldn't tell you why Bulut blocked the loan move. Obviously the biggest concern would be if it was a very short-term decision, with Bulut deciding he needed him for cup games and as a 4th choice option (rather than splashing out on bringing someone new in) as opposed to with his longer-term development in mind. Oli Cooper is 18 months older than him, does that fit into the age where he needs to be playing every week? Are you commenting about him too? For all the reading between the lines of Bulut's decisions within the opening few games of the season, Colwill has played a big part in the cup, he's signed a four year contract. So it can't all be as doom and gloom as you make out? Surely he trusts in whatever plan is in place for him? He must be wanted to get that length of extension? Well a couple of things. Yes, that is quite a significant difference in age gap as far as those crucial first years of development are concerned. Cooper's already had his loan spell in Newport (which was fantastic for his development incidentally, and came at around the same age that Colwill is now - so you're sort of making the case that Bulut has disrupted Colwill's development by blocking a loan move in favour of a season as a fourth-choice option). Personally, I don't rate Cooper that highly. I don't think he'll ever be anything more than a decent Championship player and I can't see him being a big player for us personally. I think Colwill has the potential to go much higher, which is why I'm particularly interested in his development. I find it weird that you're obsessing over how much I'm concerned about Colwill's lack of opportunities relative to other players. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at - that I'm just having a dig at Cardiff for inter-club rivalry reasons? If that's your assumption, it's wide of the mark - I'm a supporter of Welsh football and support our clubs through that. I'm pretty sure you're just looking at this from a Cardiff perspective. You say Colwill's played a big part in the cup - that was a second / third-string Cardiff side that Bulut didn't take seriously at all (playing midfielders as centre back and wingers as wing-backs) and they're now out of the cup, so if that's what Colwill had to fall back on, it doesn't look good for the remainder of the season, does it? As for the last comment, Bulut may have considered the contract extension as a low-risk option and better than losing him for nothing at the end of the year, while football is littered with examples of players making poor careers decisions - just look at half our squad, so I'm not sure what that proves. |
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Post by abercymru on Oct 1, 2023 9:09:34 GMT
Oli Cooper is 18 months older than him, does that fit into the age where he needs to be playing every week? Are you commenting about him too? For all the reading between the lines of Bulut's decisions within the opening few games of the season, Colwill has played a big part in the cup, he's signed a four year contract. So it can't all be as doom and gloom as you make out? Surely he trusts in whatever plan is in place for him? He must be wanted to get that length of extension? Well a couple of things. Yes, that is quite a significant difference in age gap as far as those crucial first years of development are concerned. Cooper's already had his loan spell in Newport (which was fantastic for his development incidentally, and came at around the same age that Colwill is now - so you're sort of making the case that Bulut has disrupted Colwill's development by blocking a loan move in favour of a season as a fourth-choice option). Personally, I don't rate Cooper that highly. I don't think he'll ever be anything more than a decent Championship player and I can't see him being a big player for us personally. I think Colwill has the potential to go much higher, which is why I'm particularly interested in his development. I find it weird that you're obsessing over how much I'm concerned about Colwill's lack of opportunities relative to other players. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at - that I'm just having a dig at Cardiff for inter-club rivalry reasons? If that's your assumption, it's wide of the mark - I'm a supporter of Welsh football and support our clubs through that. I'm pretty sure you're just looking at this from a Cardiff perspective. You say Colwill's played a big part in the cup - that was a second / third-string Cardiff side that Bulut didn't take seriously at all (playing midfielders as centre back and wingers as wing-backs) and they're now out of the cup, so if that's what Colwill had to fall back on, it doesn't look good for the remainder of the season, does it? As for the last comment, Bulut may have considered the contract extension as a low-risk option and better than losing him for nothing at the end of the year, while football is littered with examples of players making poor careers decisions - just look at half our squad, so I'm not sure what that proves. You're presuming he's going to spend a season as fourth choice option, after about 7 weeks of the season. At 18 months younger he's played about 20 less club games, so it wouldn't seem he's been hampered that much, comparitively. Far from me being obsessive, it's that I find it bizarre that you're so critical, but only in relation to Colwill, rather than looking more widely at what is the case at almost all clubs, which impacts many of our national players. I support Wales and Cardiff. I'm just able to put a balance on it... There's whether the decision is what they feel is best for Cardiff (almost certainly), but also whether it's what is best for Colwill (which I struggle to believe hasn't fed the decision as they aren't mutually exclusive, what's good for Colwill should be for Cardiff too). Added to that, I haven't seen anywhere an indication that Colwill actually wants a loan move. You may be around the training ground to know what is going on in the background, I'm not so it's hard to judge. My presumption is that Cardiff/Bulut see something in Colwill (the same as we all do I think) and therefore value what he can add to Cardiff. I also presume that they feel they can improve on what he can contribute, by being at the club, rather than sending him out on loan somewhere. If he went out on loan somewhere, you're putting his development in another clubs hands, whose focus will be on their club rather than the player. Now again, they aren't mutually exclusive, so it can work, but they don't have the need to develop on his weaknesses as much as Cardiff, as it's a short term solution for them. I'm simply pointing out that he has had game time, he hasn't just rotted away in the 7 or so weeks of the season. He's been good in the cup too, attacking wise particularly. For the last comment, as you say, Bulut may have. You don't know, I don't know. I just see a club (that isn't a top level club with money to chuck around) giving him a four year contract, not just an extra year to avoid losing him for nothing, four years. To me that says Cardiff do value him and see something they can help him work on to develop and become a great player. All that being said, would I like to see him get more minutes? Absolutely. Do I think it'd be a good thing for him? Absolutely. But I also think Cardiff have a vested interest in helping him develop, and I struggle to believe they'd halt a loan with the intention of not working on his development and as he improves to hopefully force his way into the team more. |
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Post by gimli on Oct 1, 2023 9:17:58 GMT
It really doesn't bode well that Bulut won't even bring him off the bench at home against Rotherham. It certainly looks like this season will be a write off for him unless he forces a loan in January. Incredible mismanagement of the club's brightest prospect really. He was getting more regular minutes as a 19 year old than he is now.
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Post by abercymru on Oct 1, 2023 9:25:51 GMT
It really doesn't bode well that Bulut won't even bring him off the bench at home against Rotherham. It certainly looks like this season will be a write off for him unless he forces a loan in January. Incredible mismanagement of the club's brightest prospect really. He was getting more regular minutes as a 19 year old than he is now. Did you see the game yesterday? It's a shame how it panned out as I think that's part of why he didn't come on. It was game crying out for a difference maker like him in the first half. But it's not unusual for a manager to see how the second half starts. Cardiff scored around 55 minutes, at that point I didn't think he'd come on until at least another goal was scored, as you need to defend that lead as well as pushing forward, and that's what he's been highlighted as not being as strong at. The second goal didn't come until the end of the game. If the first goal hadn't come, or the second had come earlier I think he'd have had a better chance of coming on. I was disappointed when the team was announced that he wasn't in the team, felt a bit negative and a missed opportunity. But how the game then went I wasn't surprised he didn't come on. |
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Post by gimli on Oct 1, 2023 9:32:41 GMT
There's always some excuse or other for why he doesn't play, but at some point if you want to develop a player you have to put your faith in him and actually play him.
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Post by abercymru on Oct 1, 2023 9:36:11 GMT
There's always some excuse or other for why he doesn't play, but at some point if you want to develop a player you have to put your faith in him and actually play him. Far from it, I don't understand why he didn't start yesterday. I think he should have, especially haven seen the game and how poor Rotherham were. I just understand why, having not started, and how the game went, he wasn't brought on. |
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Post by iot on Oct 1, 2023 16:57:00 GMT
Well a couple of things. Yes, that is quite a significant difference in age gap as far as those crucial first years of development are concerned. Cooper's already had his loan spell in Newport (which was fantastic for his development incidentally, and came at around the same age that Colwill is now - so you're sort of making the case that Bulut has disrupted Colwill's development by blocking a loan move in favour of a season as a fourth-choice option). Personally, I don't rate Cooper that highly. I don't think he'll ever be anything more than a decent Championship player and I can't see him being a big player for us personally. I think Colwill has the potential to go much higher, which is why I'm particularly interested in his development. I find it weird that you're obsessing over how much I'm concerned about Colwill's lack of opportunities relative to other players. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at - that I'm just having a dig at Cardiff for inter-club rivalry reasons? If that's your assumption, it's wide of the mark - I'm a supporter of Welsh football and support our clubs through that. I'm pretty sure you're just looking at this from a Cardiff perspective. You say Colwill's played a big part in the cup - that was a second / third-string Cardiff side that Bulut didn't take seriously at all (playing midfielders as centre back and wingers as wing-backs) and they're now out of the cup, so if that's what Colwill had to fall back on, it doesn't look good for the remainder of the season, does it? As for the last comment, Bulut may have considered the contract extension as a low-risk option and better than losing him for nothing at the end of the year, while football is littered with examples of players making poor careers decisions - just look at half our squad, so I'm not sure what that proves. You're presuming he's going to spend a season as fourth choice option, after about 7 weeks of the season. At 18 months younger he's played about 20 less club games, so it wouldn't seem he's been hampered that much, comparitively. Far from me being obsessive, it's that I find it bizarre that you're so critical, but only in relation to Colwill, rather than looking more widely at what is the case at almost all clubs, which impacts many of our national players. I support Wales and Cardiff. I'm just able to put a balance on it... There's whether the decision is what they feel is best for Cardiff (almost certainly), but also whether it's what is best for Colwill (which I struggle to believe hasn't fed the decision as they aren't mutually exclusive, what's good for Colwill should be for Cardiff too). Added to that, I haven't seen anywhere an indication that Colwill actually wants a loan move. You may be around the training ground to know what is going on in the background, I'm not so it's hard to judge. My presumption is that Cardiff/Bulut see something in Colwill (the same as we all do I think) and therefore value what he can add to Cardiff. I also presume that they feel they can improve on what he can contribute, by being at the club, rather than sending him out on loan somewhere. If he went out on loan somewhere, you're putting his development in another clubs hands, whose focus will be on their club rather than the player. Now again, they aren't mutually exclusive, so it can work, but they don't have the need to develop on his weaknesses as much as Cardiff, as it's a short term solution for them. I'm simply pointing out that he has had game time, he hasn't just rotted away in the 7 or so weeks of the season. He's been good in the cup too, attacking wise particularly. For the last comment, as you say, Bulut may have. You don't know, I don't know. I just see a club (that isn't a top level club with money to chuck around) giving him a four year contract, not just an extra year to avoid losing him for nothing, four years. To me that says Cardiff do value him and see something they can help him work on to develop and become a great player. All that being said, would I like to see him get more minutes? Absolutely. Do I think it'd be a good thing for him? Absolutely. But I also think Cardiff have a vested interest in helping him develop, and I struggle to believe they'd halt a loan with the intention of not working on his development and as he improves to hopefully force his way into the team more. 'You're presuming he's going to spend a season as fourth choice option, after about 7 weeks of the season. ' None of us have a crystal ball, the best we can do is go off the best evidence available to us. Cardiff are about 15 games into the season (cup games included) and Ramsey's been absent for the last 3 games, so that's a very decent sample to understand where Colwill currently sits. Bulut's first choice is to play Ramsey as the 10, and the second and third choices are to play Robinson as the 10 or to play two 8s (I suspect it will be former once Robinson is fully match fit). So that leaves Colwill as 4th choice. In the chances he's been given, most (Bulut excluded) seem to think he's done very well, so if he can't get a look-in after those types of performances, there's nothing to suggest he'll become anything more than 4th choice throughout the season. 'Far from me being obsessive, it's that I find it bizarre that you're so critical, but only in relation to Colwill' Pretty sure I've answered that already - a) it's not just Colwill - I've commented in plenty of other similar instances, it's just that Colwill's the one that concerns me the most currently (I don't think Cooper will develop much further and there are no other comparable examples). I have no reason to complain about Cardiff more than any other club - the opposite in fact as I want them to do well. I'm so critical because we know a loan move has been blocked, Colwill's development has already been significantly disrupted at the club for a long time now, and many were excited for the season ahead with his fairly strong preseason performances, so it just makes it much more disappointing that it looks like it will be another wasted season. 'I support Wales and Cardiff. I'm just able to put a balance on it...' I don't think you are being balanced, because all of your comments are excusing the way Cardiff are handling Colwill's development. As to your other comments, yes I've speculated somewhat (as have you and everyone else not in the know!) - we're all reading between the lines, but I think most of the assumptions made are pretty likely. Given the choice between playing first team football in League 1 and being restricted to cameo appearances every other game in the Championship, I think we can safely assume that Colwill hasn't actively opted for the latter. I hope you're right that Bulut simply believes Colwill can develop more that way (though I think most people would say that's unlikely), although I suspect the decisions have been much more pragmatic and short-term than that. I think it's more likely that he just felt he needed Colwill as back-up and as an x factor player in very specific circumstances (i.e. where Cardiff's chasing a goal), but his conservative instincts prevent him from starting Colwill or bringing him on when the game's in the balance. |
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Post by abercymru on Oct 7, 2023 15:59:08 GMT
I take it all back. Didn't start or come on today, in a game screaming out for him to be involved. Can't see when he'll play based on him being left on the bench today.
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Post by iot on Oct 7, 2023 17:53:21 GMT
Bulut's doing a fantastic job for Cardiff. He's exactly the person they needed after the shambles seen in the last few years. He knows how to set up his team - they actually look like they know what they're trying to do, which is a pleasant change. Equally, he's obviously a very conservative-minded manager - more Mourinho than Pep! The attributes he values the most are high workrate and pressing, whereas he doesn't place much value in flair and anything that goes against the script. So what Rubin offers goes against all his natural instincts. That, to me, is the most frustrating aspect in all of this. Bulut will have known that, and yet he still prevented Colwill from seeking opportunities on loan. At 21, this is a crucial period in his development and it's being wasted. I just think he's been properly shafted by the club and Bulut in particular.
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Post by abercymru on Oct 7, 2023 17:59:13 GMT
I take it all back. Didn't start or come on today, in a game screaming out for him to be involved. Can't see when he'll play based on him being left on the bench today. Bulut's doing a fantastic job for Cardiff. He's exactly the person they needed after the shambles seen in the last few years. He knows how to set up his team - they actually look like they know what they're trying to do, which is a pleasant change. Equally, he's obviously a very conservative-minded manager - more Mourinho than Pep! The attributes he values the most are high workrate and pressing, whereas he doesn't place much value in flair and anything that goes against the script. So what Rubin offers goes against all his natural instincts. That, to me, is the most frustrating aspect in all of this. Bulut will have known that, and yet he still prevented Colwill from seeking opportunities on loan. At 21, this is a crucial period in his development and it's being wasted. I just think he's been properly shafted by the club and Bulut in particular. I know it's a bit flakey to about face so quickly, but I agree now. I genuinely believed that in a game like today, level, against a poor team, needing some creativity... He'd be called upon to at least come on for a decent period of time. The fact he brought Sawyers on (who a month and a half ago he basically said would be leaving), well, I just can't see what scenario Colwill ever comes on under. It may still be that they're doing specifics in training and he isn't where he needs to be yet. But he was needed in the game today, so I just can't see how he will fit in or get opportunities. So yea, he should've been allowed to go out on loan. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Oct 7, 2023 18:41:07 GMT
He's been given a few opportunities off the bench this season already to be fair and I'm sure he'll get more. Not a bad position to be in as an Under-21 player. Just hasn't really progressed beyond where he was as two and a half years ago. A league one loan is a futile backwards step though
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