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Post by derynglas on Sept 30, 2021 8:46:17 GMT
I suspect this has come up now because the 21 year deal with the WRU to play up to 3 games per year
is coming to an end this year.
WRU has probably approached the FAW to see if they want to extend it.
I saw on twitter that part of the reason the FAW might think its a good idea is what
if the CCS was unavailable at some point at ,say the pitch was being relaid nor something.
Its always good to have a plan B even if ultimately you dont need it.
Im against playing any competitive games at the MS,and im not too keen on having friendlies
there either after the Spain game.
Nevertheless I can see the sense of not burning your bridges,and keeping your options open,
you might need it somewhere down the line.
What if A Cymru premier club drew Liverpool,or Man City,or (more likely) Celtic?
All these things have happened in the past.TNS played Man City at the MS IN 2003.
What if a club finally got into the group stages and were playing some big teams
in the autumn.CCS may be more difficult to hire once the season proper has started.
Sure clubs could do their own deals but it would be better if the FAW already had
an agreement in place and could be involved.
Mooney is obviously a football man and not a marketing man and no doubt understands all
the issues that have been brought up.
Their just being pragmatic IMO.
If you ask me people need to calm down.
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Post by georgetm1 on Sept 30, 2021 8:57:53 GMT
The journalists who reported this have deliberately taken what the guy said out of context and missed out a load of information. Mooney said that if the Cardiff City stadium isn't available then they will go for the Millenium. These journalists have really done a number on everyone.
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Post by gwernybwch on Sept 30, 2021 17:06:58 GMT
The journalists who reported this have deliberately taken what the guy said out of context and missed out a load of information. Mooney said that if the Cardiff City stadium isn't available then they will go for the Millenium. These journalists have really done a number on everyone. Not sure if it is the Sun Journo doing a number on him or Mooney being extremely naïve. We all know that any mention of the MS is going to bristle Welsh football fans. So is any talk that Giggs is 'still under contract'. In relation to the MS, him giving a bit more context in the interview would have been useful. It could have been all about good strategic / contingency planning for the FAW (if it was all about contingency planning surely the next go-to stadium would be the Liberty?), preparation for a major European club final? Or is it him making plans for Nations League games to be played at the MS? |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 30, 2021 19:57:14 GMT
I wouldn't like us to go back to the Millennium unless we can do it justice and sell out.
I'll probably get shot down for this but I really think its a myth that we do better at the CCS. I know the stats support it, but I don't think it's fair to compare performances when one team had HRK up front and the other had Easter.
If we do go back though we need to keep inspiring the fans. Drawing to Estonia won't really do attendances any favours.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 30, 2021 21:59:45 GMT
I wouldn't like us to go back to the Millennium unless we can do it justice and sell out. I'll probably get shot down for this but I really think its a myth that we do better at the CCS. I know the stats support it, but I don't think it's fair to compare performances when one team had HRK up front and the other had Easter. If we do go back though we need to keep inspiring the fans. Drawing to Estonia won't really do attendances any favours. Yeah there definitely *could* be a time and place for it. Momentum/direction needs to be just right, so needs to be orchestrated carefully |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 30, 2021 22:28:59 GMT
I wouldn't like us to go back to the Millennium unless we can do it justice and sell out. I'll probably get shot down for this but I really think its a myth that we do better at the CCS. I know the stats support it, but I don't think it's fair to compare performances when one team had HRK up front and the other had Easter. If we do go back though we need to keep inspiring the fans. Drawing to Estonia won't really do attendances any favours. The atmosphere is loads better and, as you say, the stats support it. When you add these points to the fact that we don’t always sell out the CCS, there is absolutely no reason to risk returning to the millennium. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 1, 2021 7:16:19 GMT
I wouldn't like us to go back to the Millennium unless we can do it justice and sell out. I'll probably get shot down for this but I really think its a myth that we do better at the CCS. I know the stats support it, but I don't think it's fair to compare performances when one team had HRK up front and the other had Easter. If we do go back though we need to keep inspiring the fans. Drawing to Estonia won't really do attendances any favours. I think if we face an elite nation like France on a Saturday we could sell it out. The only weekday fixture that would sell it out, unless we achieved a miracle in doing well in the group, would be England. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 1, 2021 11:29:15 GMT
I wouldn't like us to go back to the Millennium unless we can do it justice and sell out. I'll probably get shot down for this but I really think its a myth that we do better at the CCS. I know the stats support it, but I don't think it's fair to compare performances when one team had HRK up front and the other had Easter. If we do go back though we need to keep inspiring the fans. Drawing to Estonia won't really do attendances any favours. The atmosphere is loads better and, as you say, the stats support it. When you add these points to the fact that we don’t always sell out the CCS, there is absolutely no reason to risk returning to the millennium. The stats don't take into account the team though. Bale, Allen and Williams became monsters after we left the Millennium. It's all hypothetical but I think we would have qualified in 2016 regardless if it was at CCS or Millennium. Without looking back at when the move was made having a Premier League Ashley Williams will do better for the stats than the Stockport County or League One Ashley Williams. |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 1, 2021 12:36:19 GMT
The atmosphere is loads better and, as you say, the stats support it. When you add these points to the fact that we don’t always sell out the CCS, there is absolutely no reason to risk returning to the millennium. The stats don't take into account the team though. Bale, Allen and Williams became monsters after we left the Millennium. It's all hypothetical but I think we would have qualified in 2016 regardless if it was at CCS or Millennium. Without looking back at when the move was made having a Premier League Ashley Williams will do better for the stats than the Stockport County or League One Ashley Williams. There is absolutely no way we would be able to find out if we’d have qualified anyway if we’d have gone to the millennium for the 2016 qualifiers so there’s no point in thinking about it. Surely no one could be in any doubt that the Atmosphere has been better in CCS? Even the disastrous result against Estonia with less than 25000 there had a decent atmos and you couldn’t help thinking that the roof would have come off if we’d have got a late goal. Imagine 25000 rattling around in the millennium stadium against Estonia? It’s easy to remember the Italy game but Don’t forget that we used to play the small teams there too. The alternative would be to have the big teams at the millennium and the small teams at the CCS which means we won’t have a real home ground and this will play into the bigger teams hands. I bet Belgium would rather have played in the millennium than the bouncing CCS in the 2016 qualifiers. What would be the point in risking it? Changing one of the things that happened during our most successful period ever, saying that the players would have been better either way and we might have qualified anyway are so hypothetical it really isn’t worth taking the gamble for. Don’t forget that we didn’t qualify when we played in the Arms Park either with arguably as good a team as 2016. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 1, 2021 21:11:55 GMT
The stats don't take into account the team though. Bale, Allen and Williams became monsters after we left the Millennium. It's all hypothetical but I think we would have qualified in 2016 regardless if it was at CCS or Millennium. Without looking back at when the move was made having a Premier League Ashley Williams will do better for the stats than the Stockport County or League One Ashley Williams. There is absolutely no way we would be able to find out if we’d have qualified anyway if we’d have gone to the millennium for the 2016 qualifiers so there’s no point in thinking about it. Surely no one could be in any doubt that the Atmosphere has been better in CCS? Even the disastrous result against Estonia with less than 25000 there had a decent atmos and you couldn’t help thinking that the roof would have come off if we’d have got a late goal. Imagine 25000 rattling around in the millennium stadium against Estonia? It’s easy to remember the Italy game but Don’t forget that we used to play the small teams there too. The alternative would be to have the big teams at the millennium and the small teams at the CCS which means we won’t have a real home ground and this will play into the bigger teams hands. I bet Belgium would rather have played in the millennium than the bouncing CCS in the 2016 qualifiers. What would be the point in risking it? Changing one of the things that happened during our most successful period ever, saying that the players would have been better either way and we might have qualified anyway are so hypothetical it really isn’t worth taking the gamble for. Don’t forget that we didn’t qualify when we played in the Arms Park either with arguably as good a team as 2016. No doubt the atmosphere is better. The Italy match doesn't stick out in my mind, when I think of the Millennium I do think of Azerbijian, Liechtenstein matches that were pretty much empty. I hated the atmosphere there but I thought all aspects of Welsh football were shocking back then. I could only dream of where we've come. I think if we can do the Millennium justice why not, but I also think if we move to the Millennium and get a few more £ in ticket sales but the performances drop off we'll probably take a bigger hit on lost revenue and we could make more by staying at CCS and being successful. I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium. I think it could just have been the timing of it. Respectfully too I don't agree that if it works we shouldn't try different things. I think we need to be brave and keep pushing ourselves. I know the CCS has been a fortress for us but it's the only place we've played home matches since we became a respectable nation. We will stagnate if we just repeat what works or we're too afraid to try something because it used to work. |
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Post by iot on Oct 1, 2021 21:27:50 GMT
There is absolutely no way we would be able to find out if we’d have qualified anyway if we’d have gone to the millennium for the 2016 qualifiers so there’s no point in thinking about it. Surely no one could be in any doubt that the Atmosphere has been better in CCS? Even the disastrous result against Estonia with less than 25000 there had a decent atmos and you couldn’t help thinking that the roof would have come off if we’d have got a late goal. Imagine 25000 rattling around in the millennium stadium against Estonia? It’s easy to remember the Italy game but Don’t forget that we used to play the small teams there too. The alternative would be to have the big teams at the millennium and the small teams at the CCS which means we won’t have a real home ground and this will play into the bigger teams hands. I bet Belgium would rather have played in the millennium than the bouncing CCS in the 2016 qualifiers. What would be the point in risking it? Changing one of the things that happened during our most successful period ever, saying that the players would have been better either way and we might have qualified anyway are so hypothetical it really isn’t worth taking the gamble for. Don’t forget that we didn’t qualify when we played in the Arms Park either with arguably as good a team as 2016. No doubt the atmosphere is better. The Italy match doesn't stick out in my mind, when I think of the Millennium I do think of Azerbijian, Liechtenstein matches that were pretty much empty. I hated the atmosphere there but I thought all aspects of Welsh football were shocking back then. I could only dream of where we've come. I think if we can do the Millennium justice why not, but I also think if we move to the Millennium and get a few more £ in ticket sales but the performances drop off we'll probably take a bigger hit on lost revenue and we could make more by staying at CCS and being successful. I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium. I think it could just have been the timing of it. Respectfully too I don't agree that if it works we shouldn't try different things. I think we need to be brave and keep pushing ourselves. I know the CCS has been a fortress for us but it's the only place we've played home matches since we became a respectable nation. We will stagnate if we just repeat what works or we're too afraid to try something because it used to work. "I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium." Who's said that? That would a pretty silly statement, but I don't think anyone's said it? The most I've seen is that the CCS gives us an advantage over the millenium due to the better atmosphere and the players' expressed wishes to play there. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 1, 2021 21:36:57 GMT
No doubt the atmosphere is better. The Italy match doesn't stick out in my mind, when I think of the Millennium I do think of Azerbijian, Liechtenstein matches that were pretty much empty. I hated the atmosphere there but I thought all aspects of Welsh football were shocking back then. I could only dream of where we've come. I think if we can do the Millennium justice why not, but I also think if we move to the Millennium and get a few more £ in ticket sales but the performances drop off we'll probably take a bigger hit on lost revenue and we could make more by staying at CCS and being successful. I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium. I think it could just have been the timing of it. Respectfully too I don't agree that if it works we shouldn't try different things. I think we need to be brave and keep pushing ourselves. I know the CCS has been a fortress for us but it's the only place we've played home matches since we became a respectable nation. We will stagnate if we just repeat what works or we're too afraid to try something because it used to work. "I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium." Who's said that? That would a pretty silly statement, but I don't think anyone's said it? The most I've seen is that the CCS gives us an advantage over the millenium due to the better atmosphere and the players' expressed wishes to play there. It's not a comment, just a vibe I get when discussing it with people really. We fought back to beat Belarus in stoppage time in an empty stadium. We won the Nations League group with no fans in stadiums. We qualified from the Euro group with our fans completely outnumbered. Maybe our team is just decent. |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 1, 2021 21:37:54 GMT
There is absolutely no way we would be able to find out if we’d have qualified anyway if we’d have gone to the millennium for the 2016 qualifiers so there’s no point in thinking about it. Surely no one could be in any doubt that the Atmosphere has been better in CCS? Even the disastrous result against Estonia with less than 25000 there had a decent atmos and you couldn’t help thinking that the roof would have come off if we’d have got a late goal. Imagine 25000 rattling around in the millennium stadium against Estonia? It’s easy to remember the Italy game but Don’t forget that we used to play the small teams there too. The alternative would be to have the big teams at the millennium and the small teams at the CCS which means we won’t have a real home ground and this will play into the bigger teams hands. I bet Belgium would rather have played in the millennium than the bouncing CCS in the 2016 qualifiers. What would be the point in risking it? Changing one of the things that happened during our most successful period ever, saying that the players would have been better either way and we might have qualified anyway are so hypothetical it really isn’t worth taking the gamble for. Don’t forget that we didn’t qualify when we played in the Arms Park either with arguably as good a team as 2016. No doubt the atmosphere is better. The Italy match doesn't stick out in my mind, when I think of the Millennium I do think of Azerbijian, Liechtenstein matches that were pretty much empty. I hated the atmosphere there but I thought all aspects of Welsh football were shocking back then. I could only dream of where we've come. I think if we can do the Millennium justice why not, but I also think if we move to the Millennium and get a few more £ in ticket sales but the performances drop off we'll probably take a bigger hit on lost revenue and we could make more by staying at CCS and being successful. I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium. I think it could just have been the timing of it. Respectfully too I don't agree that if it works we shouldn't try different things. I think we need to be brave and keep pushing ourselves. I know the CCS has been a fortress for us but it's the only place we've played home matches since we became a respectable nation. We will stagnate if we just repeat what works or we're too afraid to try something because it used to work. Nobody’s really claiming that the CCS transformed welsh football. We’re just saying that the atmosphere is better. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 1, 2021 21:43:41 GMT
No doubt the atmosphere is better. The Italy match doesn't stick out in my mind, when I think of the Millennium I do think of Azerbijian, Liechtenstein matches that were pretty much empty. I hated the atmosphere there but I thought all aspects of Welsh football were shocking back then. I could only dream of where we've come. I think if we can do the Millennium justice why not, but I also think if we move to the Millennium and get a few more £ in ticket sales but the performances drop off we'll probably take a bigger hit on lost revenue and we could make more by staying at CCS and being successful. I however don't agree with the narrative that the CCS transformed Welsh football when the best players we've had came to mature after we left the Millennium. I think it could just have been the timing of it. Respectfully too I don't agree that if it works we shouldn't try different things. I think we need to be brave and keep pushing ourselves. I know the CCS has been a fortress for us but it's the only place we've played home matches since we became a respectable nation. We will stagnate if we just repeat what works or we're too afraid to try something because it used to work. Nobody’s really claiming that the CCS transformed welsh football. We’re just saying that the atmosphere is better. Ah right OK. Sorry misunderstood a little. |
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Post by caws1958 on Oct 6, 2021 13:51:36 GMT
Go to North Wales Live Sport Facebook page or Daily Post Sport Twitter page and watch me speak live with Noel Mooney about various topics surrounding Welsh football
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 6, 2021 13:52:29 GMT
Cheers, will do
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Post by georgetm1 on Oct 6, 2021 15:46:29 GMT
Go to North Wales Live Sport Facebook page or Daily Post Sport Twitter page and watch me speak live with Noel Mooney about various topics surrounding Welsh football Is there any way of re-watching it? I missed the first 25 minutes. |
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Post by paj on Nov 25, 2021 16:12:12 GMT
Wanted to raise some finance related points/questions to seek thoughts.
Firstly do we know what the financial impact of making the playoffs is? Do we share the gate? Are there any additional revenue streams I.e. tv.
Do people think FAW could do more on the commercial front to maximise the success of the last few years?
Surprised that they still don’t have a branded FAW on-line shop and just a link to the JD website. Also surprised and annoyed that Welsh companies like the Principality and Admiral don’t put any sponsorship towards the football but continue to throw it at welsh rugby.
If I were the new CE I would be asking these questions especially given the money he says is needed for the grassroots game.
Thoughts?
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Post by vvm on Nov 25, 2021 16:32:24 GMT
The games against Belarus and Belgium didn't feel particularly well advertised, which I found surprising. Belgium eventually and ultimately sold out on the day I think but you'd think with better marketing that should have been much sooner.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 26, 2021 12:31:46 GMT
Wanted to raise some finance related points/questions to seek thoughts. Firstly do we know what the financial impact of making the playoffs is? Do we share the gate? Are there any additional revenue streams I.e. tv. Do people think FAW could do more on the commercial front to maximise the success of the last few years? Surprised that they still don’t have a branded FAW on-line shop and just a link to the JD website. Also surprised and annoyed that Welsh companies like the Principality and Admiral don’t put any sponsorship towards the football but continue to throw it at welsh rugby. If I were the new CE I would be asking these questions especially given the money he says is needed for the grassroots game. Thoughts? We could be getting a massive amount from JD to licence the kits. Most of us won't know the ins and outs of the FAW sponsorship deals, I personally don't but I know it is difficult with companies who want their brand represented in certain ways we might not be willing to accommodate. Rugby has Principality and we have BT, BT might be offering more than Principality who aren't willing to be a minor sponsor. I personally think we're doing OK. We could be doing better but so could everyone. The performance centres and Colliers the FAW have bought and renovated though couldn't have been cheap. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 26, 2021 13:51:54 GMT
Do people think FAW could do more on the commercial front to maximise the success of the last few years? Surprised that they still don’t have a branded FAW on-line shop and just a link to the JD website. Also surprised and annoyed that Welsh companies like the Principality and Admiral don’t put any sponsorship towards the football but continue to throw it at welsh rugby. I have often wondered why somebody at the FAW didn't go 'Welsh football fans seen to wear a lot of hats, I wonder whether we could sell our own'? I can probably guess why that hasn't happened....... I would say that as BT / Vauxhall / Nationwide wanted to get the majority of home nations in one sponsorship deal, they would be able to offer more in sponsorship that a small building society. I can't imagine many firms are currently looking to have their brand associated with R. Giggs Esq. |
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Post by iot on Nov 26, 2021 15:17:41 GMT
Do people think FAW could do more on the commercial front to maximise the success of the last few years? Surprised that they still don’t have a branded FAW on-line shop and just a link to the JD website. Also surprised and annoyed that Welsh companies like the Principality and Admiral don’t put any sponsorship towards the football but continue to throw it at welsh rugby. I have often wondered why somebody at the FAW didn't go 'Welsh football fans seen to wear a lot of hats, I wonder whether we could sell our own'? I can probably guess why that hasn't happened....... I would say that as BT / Vauxhall / Nationwide wanted to get the majority of home nations in one sponsorship deal, they would be able to offer more in sponsorship that a small building society. I can't imagine many firms are currently looking to have their brand associated with R. Giggs Esq. To be fair to the FAW, I think that's because they didn't want to step on the toes of SO58 - I think there may have even been a partnership agreement between the two. But yeah, on the broader point, I think they could probably do a fair bit more to exploit the success we've had recently. Whilst I wouldn't want them to go down the WRU route of turning the games into massive events that draw in people who couldn't care less about the game, they could probably have invested more into creating hype around the games in this last campaign. They run good stuff on social media, but that obviously only reaches people who are already engaged really. I didn't see any marketing outside of social media |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 27, 2021 20:05:31 GMT
For those on Twitter NM is quite active on there and well worth a follow. Most weekends he is at at least one pyramid game and last few days tweeting about the play-offs :-)
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 28, 2021 0:37:46 GMT
Respectfully too I don't agree that if it works we shouldn't try different things. I definitely think we will end up playing at least one game at the MS/PS for the Nations League. CCS may need a break to relay/do stuff to the pitch in June, with the season starting end of July to accommodate the World Cup. |
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Post by evans1282 on Nov 28, 2021 15:11:51 GMT
Nothing to do with atmosphere, performance or any other guff I just hate the place for football,shite ignorant stewards,and lining the pockets of the Royalist WRU! Fuck no from me every time.
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Post by dai on Nov 28, 2021 18:34:13 GMT
Nothing to do with atmosphere, performance or any other guff I just hate the place for football,shite ignorant stewards,and lining the pockets of the Royalist WRU! Fuck no from me every time. Well, it's nice for a change to see that we both share one thing in common - a disdain of the WRU. Does anyone know how many red wall members there are? Obviously we will hopefully get priority for the playoff games, however I'm not sure if there was a limit on ticket purchasing for the last games. Think the ticket will go mental on the day they open for sale. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 28, 2021 19:01:07 GMT
Nothing to do with atmosphere, performance or any other guff I just hate the place for football,shite ignorant stewards,and lining the pockets of the Royalist WRU! Fuck no from me every time. Well, it's nice for a change to see that we both share one thing in common - a disdain of the WRU. Does anyone know how many red wall members there are? Obviously we will hopefully get priority for the playoff games, however I'm not sure if there was a limit on ticket purchasing for the last games. Think the ticket will go mental on the day they open for sale. For the last 2 games each member was able to buy 2 tickets. For this one to give as many people an opportunity maybe leave it as 1 ticket per member? |
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Post by cynonvalley on Nov 28, 2021 19:05:41 GMT
Nothing to do with atmosphere, performance or any other guff I just hate the place for football,shite ignorant stewards,and lining the pockets of the Royalist WRU! Fuck no from me every time. Well, it's nice for a change to see that we both share one thing in common - a disdain of the WRU. Does anyone know how many red wall members there are? Obviously we will hopefully get priority for the playoff games, however I'm not sure if there was a limit on ticket purchasing for the last games. Think the ticket will go mental on the day they open for sale. There were 15k Red Wall members in August. |
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Post by Albert on Nov 28, 2021 19:45:46 GMT
Well, it's nice for a change to see that we both share one thing in common - a disdain of the WRU. Does anyone know how many red wall members there are? Obviously we will hopefully get priority for the playoff games, however I'm not sure if there was a limit on ticket purchasing for the last games. Think the ticket will go mental on the day they open for sale. There were 15k Red Wall members in August. Blimey , thought it was higher than that ! Around the 20k mark I thought |
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Post by paj on Nov 28, 2021 19:59:39 GMT
I hope they don’t forget the clubs who purchase tickets via red wall membership. I purchase around 100 a game for Carmarthen Town.
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