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Post by welwyn on Feb 22, 2023 9:53:50 GMT
Can only find stats back to 2010/11, but Ricky Miller scored 40 in 2016/17. Would take some beating for someone else to get past that.
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Post by welshrover on Feb 22, 2023 12:11:44 GMT
Whilst for obvious reasons most of the talk on here is Mullin, you would have to think that "higher placed" clubs would be looking at Langstaff.
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Feb 22, 2023 12:17:47 GMT
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Post by llan123 on Feb 22, 2023 12:28:13 GMT
Its worth noting that Langstaff isn't on pens either, have we checked if there is any welsh in him?  |
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Post by iot on Feb 22, 2023 15:04:10 GMT
Paul Mullin must be on double figures in pens in the league alone this season!
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Post by insertname on Feb 22, 2023 15:16:50 GMT
Whilst for obvious reasons most of the talk on here is Mullin, you would have to think that "higher placed" clubs would be looking at Langstaff. Mullin has at least looked good against higher level opposition. The aforementioned Ricky Miller flopped at Peterborough so it’s far from a given he would prove a good buy if he hits 40 for the season. In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s Peterborough who are in for Langstaff, they’ve got a history of poaching the best (on paper) conference players with mixed success. |
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 25, 2023 16:40:03 GMT
See you in Croatia, Paul
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Post by erasedcitizen on Feb 26, 2023 9:40:44 GMT
Ridiculous again yesterday, his run of form is crazy.
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Post by manulike on Mar 1, 2023 14:46:37 GMT
Mullin and Bradshaw up front.
#WeGotThis #DreamTicket
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Post by lawthom on Mar 2, 2023 13:40:07 GMT
It’s amazing this is now up to 18 pages when he’s shown no proof he’s welsh other than a tweet.
Bradshaw and Broadhead both players of the month for their respective clubs at a far higher level
Still struggling to understand why there is such a push to give a guy approaching 30 who chose to drop 2 divisions to play for by far the strongest team in non league where he was guaranteed to score loads of goals into the national team, the same people who were utterly offended Joniesta going to the World Cup even though up until recently was the top scorer at Swindon
Shouldn’t at least the first part of the criteria be for him to prove he is eligible?
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Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 2, 2023 14:53:50 GMT
Because he plays for Wrecsam.
As far as I see it, Wrecsam fans think he should get a call-up, pretty much everyone else isn't bothered.
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Post by dai on Mar 2, 2023 15:47:59 GMT
Because, let's be realistic, we've had a VERY average choice of strikers, and we haven't been scoring enough goals in the last 3/4 years.
However if we are calling up Mullin, then of course Bradshaw, Aaron Collins and Broadhead should be as well. There is space for all 4 because Bale retired, Colwill and Harris have completely bombed at Cardiff, which leaves only Johnson and Moore as the only real forwards/strikers left in the squad.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 2, 2023 15:52:22 GMT
It’s amazing this is now up to 18 pages when he’s shown no proof he’s welsh other than a tweet. Bradshaw and Broadhead both players of the month for their respective clubs at a far higher level Still struggling to understand why there is such a push to give a guy approaching 30 who chose to drop 2 divisions to play for by far the strongest team in non league where he was guaranteed to score loads of goals into the national team, the same people who were utterly offended Joniesta going to the World Cup even though up until recently was the top scorer at Swindon Shouldn’t at least the first part of the criteria be for him to prove he is eligible? Have you watched him play? I wasn't keen on calling him up at all, and was genuinely surprised by how good he is when I watched him against Coventry & Sheffield United twice For me looking at the level he is playing at is too simple of an analysis. After watching him against Championship opposition it's clear to me that he's dangerous at that level, so I've definitely been converted to the idea of a call up |
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 2, 2023 16:10:01 GMT
I’m not a Wrexham fan but I’ve seen him play live about 5 times and he’s clearly good enough. I was delighted when Wrexham drew Coventry as I knew he’d settle the debate on if he should be called up. He’s gotten unlucky with the emergence of Collins but it’s a simple set of questions:
Can 29 year old Paul Mullin contribute significantly to Wales in the upcoming qualifiers ? Yes
It’s 0-0 v Latvia with 30 mins to go Mullin is in the bench. Do you fancy him to score and get 3 points for us = Yes
Is Paul Mullin one of our top 5 best options to score goals = Yes.
Look at the chips and long range efforts Mullin tries. We need that audacity.
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Post by talyfan on Mar 2, 2023 16:27:22 GMT
Not against it at all. But isn't there a potential issue of he might be eligible but might not be registered to prove eligibility with FAW and FIFA which takes a bit of time to sort? Remember dragonsoccer mentioning something similar with Kieffer Moore. I could be talking absolute bs mind!! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 3, 2023 10:26:02 GMT
You're right, he may be eligible but his paperwork might not be sorted in time for this camp. Might be that he's ready for the next camp, or might be that he's not even eligible
If he is eligible, has to be considered imo
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Post by melynwy on Mar 3, 2023 12:04:30 GMT
The first point is irrelevant. We're talking about the senior team, not the U21s. The second point is arguing against yourself. He CHOSE to drop two divisions fior seemingly personal reasons, not HAD to on account of his ability. So by your own admission he has the quality to play (at least) two divisions above. If he can do a job then he can do a job. We pick the players available for us who can do a job for us. Maybe that could be Mullin. We don't have Haaland and Benzema, so should we just give up? |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 3, 2023 16:27:52 GMT
Yes, because obviously it's a direct choice between picking Mullin and 'giving up', isn't it?
I'm 50/50 on him to be honest, but when we've got multiple strikers playing at a much higher level it's hardly straightforward is it?
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 3, 2023 19:12:32 GMT
I know there's an argument for if Mullin was playing in the Championship would he still get goals, but I genuinely think there's not many of our strikers who could get the amount of goals Mullin gets if they dropped down to the National League.
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Post by melynwy on Mar 3, 2023 19:52:25 GMT
Yes, because obviously it's a direct choice between picking Mullin and 'giving up', isn't it? I'm 50/50 on him to be honest, but when we've got multiple strikers playing at a much higher level it's hardly straightforward is it? I'm not saying he should be our new number 9. I'm saying the arguments against the possibility that he could do a job for us are a bit stupid. If we're at a stage where we need to contemplate calling up a National League striker, then that's the stage we're at. We need to pick the best options available to get a result. One of those options could sometimes be Mullin, and the fact that it's being discussed merely reflects our situation. A situation that we still need to try and make the best of. |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 3, 2023 21:27:36 GMT
I know there's an argument for if Mullin was playing in the Championship would he still get goals, but I genuinely think there's not many of our strikers who could get the amount of goals Mullin gets if they dropped down to the National League. Come on now, we can't pretend that there isn't a HUGE gulf in class between say the Premier League and National League. If there was that little in it, well the entire pyramid would be a waste of time. Obviously it's a moot point anyway as we aren't suddenly going to see Brennan Johnson turning out for Dorking, but come on. |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 3, 2023 22:57:20 GMT
I know there's an argument for if Mullin was playing in the Championship would he still get goals, but I genuinely think there's not many of our strikers who could get the amount of goals Mullin gets if they dropped down to the National League. This is a fair point, when you think about it. I reckon Kieffer could score 25-30 in a season at that level, Brennan could possibly have a Haaland style season down there but after that, Bradshaw, Collins, Harris, Tyer, the latter two wouldn't get near Mullin, Bradshaw and Collins probably could and would but what Mullin is doing can't be ignored now because when he's had the chance to step up he's passed the tests with flying colours. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 4, 2023 0:13:22 GMT
I know there's an argument for if Mullin was playing in the Championship would he still get goals, but I genuinely think there's not many of our strikers who could get the amount of goals Mullin gets if they dropped down to the National League. Come on now, we can't pretend that there isn't a HUGE gulf in class between say the Premier League and National League. If there was that little in it, well the entire pyramid would be a waste of time. Obviously it's a moot point anyway as we aren't suddenly going to see Brennan Johnson turning out for Dorking, but come on. The National League is a hell of a lot better than it was 10-15 years ago. I think people forget that In fact the whole English pyramid has vastly improved. I view it chunked up quite differently these days... *Tier 1 - Top half Premier League* Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs, Liverpool, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford, Chelsea *Tier 2 - Bottom half Prem + top half Champ* Villa, Palace, Forest, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Leeds, Everton, Bournemouth, Saints, Burnley, Sheff Utd, Boro, B'burn, Millwall, Luton, Norwich, Sunderland, Watford, Coventry, West Brom, Preston *Tier 3 - Bottom half Champ + top half L1* Hull, Bristol, Reading, Swansea, Stoke, QPR, B'ham, Rotherham, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Blackpool, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Plymouth, Ipswich, Bolton, Derby, Barnsley, Wycombe, P'boro, Shrewsbury, Pompey, Fleetwood, Exeter *Tier 4 - Bottom half L1 + all of L2 + Notts County & Wrecsam* Tier 1 is equivalent to a new level of elite performance, Tier 2 is essentially the quality of what the Premier League was 15+ years ago (minus 1 or 2 top sides), Tier 3 is what the old Championship level was, and then Tier 4 is more like what League One used to be In the context of Mullin the question is where would you place him in this tier system? For me he easily lands in Tier 3 |
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Post by melynwy on Mar 4, 2023 10:22:17 GMT
I know there's an argument for if Mullin was playing in the Championship would he still get goals, but I genuinely think there's not many of our strikers who could get the amount of goals Mullin gets if they dropped down to the National League. Come on now, we can't pretend that there isn't a HUGE gulf in class between say the Premier League and National League. If there was that little in it, well the entire pyramid would be a waste of time. Obviously it's a moot point anyway as we aren't suddenly going to see Brennan Johnson turning out for Dorking, but come on. This doesn’t make sense to me. There isn’t pyramid system between the National League and the Premier League- it’s a direct progression. The National League is the top of the pyramid sense. It then becomes the Football League and the Premier League, which are not pyramid systems. And even if all teams in the football league and the pyramid system were of a similar quality, you’d still need to divide then into manageable-sized divisions, so I really don’t get your point. EDIT Sorry, I think I may have misunderstood your post, and that you were in fact referring to the pyramid system below the National League? |
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Post by cadno on Mar 4, 2023 11:50:10 GMT
The only way to really know if Mullin can cut it in the championship is if he leaves Wrexham, and the only way to know if he can score goals for Wales is to call him up.
Danny Gabbidon’s mentioned how the most important thing for us now is to implement a system / identity and a style of play that makes us organised and gives us the best opportunity to succeed. A club like atmosphere will be crucial!
Moore, Brennan, Bradshaw, Mullin, Collins, look like our best options up top right now.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 4, 2023 13:29:51 GMT
I know there's an argument for if Mullin was playing in the Championship would he still get goals, but I genuinely think there's not many of our strikers who could get the amount of goals Mullin gets if they dropped down to the National League. Come on now, we can't pretend that there isn't a HUGE gulf in class between say the Premier League and National League. If there was that little in it, well the entire pyramid would be a waste of time. Obviously it's a moot point anyway as we aren't suddenly going to see Brennan Johnson turning out for Dorking, but come on. I don't think the debate is there for Johnson. But can you honestly see Tyler Roberts getting 30 goals in the National League? Can you see Harris? It's not a bad standard of football. Sure they'd get to double figures, but they wouldn't be goal machines. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 4, 2023 13:36:43 GMT
Come on now, we can't pretend that there isn't a HUGE gulf in class between say the Premier League and National League. If there was that little in it, well the entire pyramid would be a waste of time. Obviously it's a moot point anyway as we aren't suddenly going to see Brennan Johnson turning out for Dorking, but come on. This doesn’t make sense to me. There isn’t pyramid system between the National League and the Premier League- it’s a direct progression. The National League is the top of the pyramid sense. It then becomes the Football League and the Premier League, which are not pyramid systems. And even if all teams in the football league and the pyramid system were of a similar quality, you’d still need to divide then into manageable-sized divisions, so I really don’t get your point. EDIT Sorry, I think I may have misunderstood your post, and that you were in fact referring to the pyramid system below the National League? What I'm saying is swap the sub/fringe strikers weve got and would they outscore Mullin in the National League. I know its a league system but look at the National League. One promoted, one playoff. League Two, 3 promoted, 1 playoff. League One, 2 promotion, 1 playoff. Championship, 2 promotion, 1 playoff. Once you get through the National League you can move easier between the leagues. If theres one better team than you in the National League you're gambling on a playoff. The top teams in this league are really good outfits. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 4, 2023 13:45:57 GMT
Come on now, we can't pretend that there isn't a HUGE gulf in class between say the Premier League and National League. If there was that little in it, well the entire pyramid would be a waste of time. Obviously it's a moot point anyway as we aren't suddenly going to see Brennan Johnson turning out for Dorking, but come on. The National League is a hell of a lot better than it was 10-15 years ago. I think people forget that In fact the whole English pyramid has vastly improved. I view it chunked up quite differently these days... *Tier 1 - Top half Premier League* Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs, Liverpool, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford, Chelsea *Tier 2 - Bottom half Prem + top half Champ* Villa, Palace, Forest, Leicester, Wolves, West Ham, Leeds, Everton, Bournemouth, Saints, Burnley, Sheff Utd, Boro, B'burn, Millwall, Luton, Norwich, Sunderland, Watford, Coventry, West Brom, Preston *Tier 3 - Bottom half Champ + top half L1* Hull, Bristol, Reading, Swansea, Stoke, QPR, B'ham, Rotherham, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Blackpool, Wigan, Sheff Weds, Plymouth, Ipswich, Bolton, Derby, Barnsley, Wycombe, P'boro, Shrewsbury, Pompey, Fleetwood, Exeter *Tier 4 - Bottom half L1 + all of L2 + Notts County & Wrecsam* Tier 1 is equivalent to a new level of elite performance, Tier 2 is essentially the quality of what the Premier League was 15+ years ago (minus 1 or 2 top sides), Tier 3 is what the old Championship level was, and then Tier 4 is more like what League One used to be In the context of Mullin the question is where would you place him in this tier system? For me he easily lands in Tier 3 The teams that come up from the National League usually dont hang about in League Two. Its not like Barrow and Harrogates are coming up each year. Theres a mix of massive clubs who are rebuilding from a crisis, ambitious clubs who have rich owners, genuine well run clubs who are punching above their weight. Everyone just seems to think its part timers, if theres 3 promotion spots the hangers on in League 2 would be bottom end National League in 5 years. Wrexham and Notts County are League One level clubs. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 4, 2023 17:13:20 GMT
The only way to really know if Mullin can cut it in the championship is if he leaves Wrexham, and the only way to know if he can score goals for Wales is to call him up. Danny Gabbidon’s mentioned how the most important thing for us now is to implement a system / identity and a style of play that makes us organised and gives us the best opportunity to succeed. A club like atmosphere will be crucial! Moore, Brennan, Bradshaw, Mullin, Collins, look like our best options up top right now. Really well said mate. We'll know very quickly if Mullin isn't up to scratch if we call him up - some people might kick off but realistically there's no harm to it. Our staff will be able to tell if he's of the level in training, so there's probably zero risk of a call up going wrong somehow. The phrase positive risk taking comes to mind |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 4, 2023 17:50:49 GMT
Gôl Mullin!
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