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Post by neverever on Sept 27, 2024 19:55:08 GMT
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Post by insertname on Sept 27, 2024 20:05:31 GMT
Can you remember specifically what he said? First time I’ve heard this. I’ve been a big advocate of giving him a chance but that’s pretty off of him if true. As you say it was Mullin’s choice and whilst I don’t agree with Page not giving him a go you can also understand why he wouldn’t select him. It’s hardly that much of an egregious decision. To be fair, I think it was as much about Page's honesty (or perceived dishonesty) as having a go for not being selected. It was in the build up to the Gibraltar game in Wrexham if I remember correctly where journos were asking Page about Mullin, and he said that they were keeping close tabs on him and that he was on their stand-by list. I can't remember how it then came up with Mullin, but he made a 'it's the first I've heard of this' type of comment, which I think he was implying that Page was bullshitting and perhaps he was expressing frustration around not getting a look in. Just looked it up and came across this: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67273359 To be fair he's fairly gracious in his comments, although does question some of Page's comments, and then I'm pretty sure he made the comment mentioned above after this article came out Thanks, so if I follow that right it’s something of a mountain out of a molehill? I don’t really blame him for questioning that he was in the stand by squad. Maybe he was and it wasn’t communicated to him but if so that is poor on either the FAW or his agent’s part and not his fault. Other than that it seems he’s some stuff to say but nothing outright disrespectful. At least from how I interpreted that…. |
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Post by garynysmon on Sept 27, 2024 21:12:00 GMT
Bryngwran. I was there, certainly one of the most well known pubs on the island by now. |
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Post by neverever on Sept 27, 2024 21:43:45 GMT
Bryngwran. I was there, certainly one of the most well known pubs on the island by now. Thanks & hope you enjoyed it. This question & answer is a very enjoyable watch. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 20, 2024 10:41:32 GMT
Back in the goals yesterday after just 20 seconds.
Due a lengthy stint in the first team as Jack Marriott has broken his Fibula.
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 3, 2024 18:13:09 GMT
see he played today v Harrogate where Wrexham lost 1-0
how is he playing this season as I only catch the EFL highlights show
think he has scored only one goal this season? not sure how many games he has played
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 4, 2024 8:35:39 GMT
see he played today v Harrogate where Wrexham lost 1-0 how is he playing this season as I only catch the EFL highlights show think he has scored only one goal this season? not sure how many games he has played Yeah he's been below par so far in the goalscoring department. It's still unclear whether it's fitness related or if he's just bang out of form. He won't be troubling the squad anytime soon with this kind of form. Not having strikers to put the ball in the net is impacting our ability to win matches. I didn't think we'd miss Marriott as much as we have. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 4, 2024 12:54:50 GMT
It was a slow start to last season then once he was fit after the injury he picked up. Remains to be seen whether he can do that at League One level but he won't be anywhere near the squad unless his form does pick up
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Post by iot on Nov 7, 2024 11:34:30 GMT
Interesting to see that Macauley Langstaff, Mullin's rival for the golden boot in the Conference and League 2 scoring 30-40 goals a season at that level, is also struggling with the transition to a higher level - currently on 1 goal in 16 games at Millwall.
Think this does show that for every Jamie Vardy / Ricky Lambert, there are many more players who are not able to translate their goalscoing at lower levels as they climb up the ladder. I think this does put the whole outcry around Mullin being 'snubbed' while scoring every week in the Conference into perspective.
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Post by insertname on Nov 7, 2024 11:50:27 GMT
Interesting to see that Macauley Langstaff, Mullin's rival for the golden boot in the Conference and League 2 scoring 30-40 goals a season at that level, is also struggling with the transition to a higher level - currently on 1 goal in 16 games at Millwall. Think this does show that for every Jamie Vardy / Ricky Lambert, there are many more players who are not able to translate their goalscoing at lower levels as they climb up the ladder. I think this does put the whole outcry around Mullin being 'snubbed' while scoring every week in the Conference into perspective. He’s made a big jump of it though which maybe was only wise for his bank balance. With regards to his career he would have been sensible trying to climb up the league like Mullin has done. With the amount of goals Mullin has scored up to now he’s certainly not to be written off, especially given that he’s had mitigating injuries. However in terms of international football I think any chance of him playing Wales was done as soon as Bellamy got the job. I just couldn’t see somebody like Bellamy with his much vaunted standards calling up someone like Mullin, with no previous international experience, unless he was performing literal miracles. Even if Mullin scored 20 between now and the end of the season it feels a bit like his age has done for him. He’s what, 31 now? To revisit the use of “profile” I just don’t think his profile fits with what Bellamy is doing. Would have loved to have seen him be given a chance but I think there was a brief window under Page when it made the most sense as Mullin was on form and just about the 30 mark in age…but I think that opportunity has gone now unfortunately. |
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Post by iot on Nov 7, 2024 13:53:57 GMT
Interesting to see that Macauley Langstaff, Mullin's rival for the golden boot in the Conference and League 2 scoring 30-40 goals a season at that level, is also struggling with the transition to a higher level - currently on 1 goal in 16 games at Millwall. Think this does show that for every Jamie Vardy / Ricky Lambert, there are many more players who are not able to translate their goalscoing at lower levels as they climb up the ladder. I think this does put the whole outcry around Mullin being 'snubbed' while scoring every week in the Conference into perspective. He’s made a big jump of it though which maybe was only wise for his bank balance. With regards to his career he would have been sensible trying to climb up the league like Mullin has done. With the amount of goals Mullin has scored up to now he’s certainly not to be written off, especially given that he’s had mitigating injuries. However in terms of international football I think any chance of him playing Wales was done as soon as Bellamy got the job. I just couldn’t see somebody like Bellamy with his much vaunted standards calling up someone like Mullin, with no previous international experience, unless he was performing literal miracles. Even if Mullin scored 20 between now and the end of the season it feels a bit like his age has done for him. He’s what, 31 now? To revisit the use of “profile” I just don’t think his profile fits with what Bellamy is doing. Would have loved to have seen him be given a chance but I think there was a brief window under Page when it made the most sense as Mullin was on form and just about the 30 mark in age…but I think that opportunity has gone now unfortunately. He turned 30 yesterday. For me, it’s some vindication for Page. Sure there are other reasons for his poor goal return this season, but I suspect if he were in League 2 or the conference right now he’d be approaching 10 goals already with how much he’s played, so the higher level is probably the main reason for the drop off. So the main takeaway for me is - the level you play at does actually matter(!), and just because you’re scoring 30+ in League 2 it doesn’t mean you can do that higher up or at international level. We saw that with Doidge and, to a lesser extent, we see it with the likes of Bradshaw and Mark Harris. When Mullin was banging them in last season and the year before, there were loads wanting him to be called up and the prevailing logic seemed to be ‘it doesn’t matter what level you’re playing at when you know where the back of the net is’. That always felt like bullshit to me, and I think we’re seeing that |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 7, 2024 15:21:22 GMT
He’s made a big jump of it though which maybe was only wise for his bank balance. With regards to his career he would have been sensible trying to climb up the league like Mullin has done. With the amount of goals Mullin has scored up to now he’s certainly not to be written off, especially given that he’s had mitigating injuries. However in terms of international football I think any chance of him playing Wales was done as soon as Bellamy got the job. I just couldn’t see somebody like Bellamy with his much vaunted standards calling up someone like Mullin, with no previous international experience, unless he was performing literal miracles. Even if Mullin scored 20 between now and the end of the season it feels a bit like his age has done for him. He’s what, 31 now? To revisit the use of “profile” I just don’t think his profile fits with what Bellamy is doing. Would have loved to have seen him be given a chance but I think there was a brief window under Page when it made the most sense as Mullin was on form and just about the 30 mark in age…but I think that opportunity has gone now unfortunately. He turned 30 yesterday. For me, it’s some vindication for Page. Sure there are other reasons for his poor goal return this season, but I suspect if he were in League 2 or the conference right now he’d be approaching 10 goals already with how much he’s played, so the higher level is probably the main reason for the drop off. So the main takeaway for me is - the level you play at does actually matter(!), and just because you’re scoring 30+ in League 2 it doesn’t mean you can do that higher up or at international level. We saw that with Doidge and, to a lesser extent, we see it with the likes of Bradshaw and Mark Harris. When Mullin was banging them in last season and the year before, there were loads wanting him to be called up and the prevailing logic seemed to be ‘it doesn’t matter what level you’re playing at when you know where the back of the net is’. That always felt like bullshit to me, and I think we’re seeing that It works both ways though. Yes the level matters, but it also doesn't in certain cases where the player is better than the league they are in. Jonny Williams is the prime example of this for me. Never really played consistently above the third tier, yet always showed a classy side to him on international duty. Sometimes attributes and abilities translate well to the international game I've always believed Mullin had certain traits/abilities that translate well, particularly last season and the season before. Whether injuries/age have caught up with him now remains to be seen - what I will say is people said he'd been found out early last season and wrote him off then he ended up returning from injury really well and finished the campaign in brilliant form & looked a level above again He might not be in Bellamy's mould and that's fair enough, but I still maintain that I'd rather a chance fall to Mullin in the box than Cullen / Harris. Also for me I'd include him as more of a specialist sub when chasing a goal, I never expected him to be an international starter and that's a key distinction in this debate As it stands his chance may well have passed and perhaps we'll rely more on false 9s than strikers like Mullin in the years to come |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 7, 2024 16:23:05 GMT
Every time I've watched Mullin he's looked like he's got a higher division's striker trapped in a lower league division body.
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Post by iot on Nov 7, 2024 17:46:53 GMT
He turned 30 yesterday. For me, it’s some vindication for Page. Sure there are other reasons for his poor goal return this season, but I suspect if he were in League 2 or the conference right now he’d be approaching 10 goals already with how much he’s played, so the higher level is probably the main reason for the drop off. So the main takeaway for me is - the level you play at does actually matter(!), and just because you’re scoring 30+ in League 2 it doesn’t mean you can do that higher up or at international level. We saw that with Doidge and, to a lesser extent, we see it with the likes of Bradshaw and Mark Harris. When Mullin was banging them in last season and the year before, there were loads wanting him to be called up and the prevailing logic seemed to be ‘it doesn’t matter what level you’re playing at when you know where the back of the net is’. That always felt like bullshit to me, and I think we’re seeing that It works both ways though. Yes the level matters, but it also doesn't in certain cases where the player is better than the league they are in. Jonny Williams is the prime example of this for me. Never really played consistently above the third tier, yet always showed a classy side to him on international duty. Sometimes attributes and abilities translate well to the international game I've always believed Mullin had certain traits/abilities that translate well, particularly last season and the season before. Whether injuries/age have caught up with him now remains to be seen - what I will say is people said he'd been found out early last season and wrote him off then he ended up returning from injury really well and finished the campaign in brilliant form & looked a level above again He might not be in Bellamy's mould and that's fair enough, but I still maintain that I'd rather a chance fall to Mullin in the box than Cullen / Harris. Also for me I'd include him as more of a specialist sub when chasing a goal, I never expected him to be an international starter and that's a key distinction in this debate As it stands his chance may well have passed and perhaps we'll rely more on false 9s than strikers like Mullin in the years to come You do have some players who are basically equally as effective no matter what level - they won't tear it up in League 2 but they wouldn't look out of place in the prem either. Joniesta was a classic example of that because he had the technical ability and could contribute positively no matter the level, but he didn't quite have any outstanding qualities that enabled him to really excel at any level. I think that's a very different case from a striker, where the move up the leagues has a much bigger impact because of the amount of time you get on the ball and number of chances you get. You may have thought that Mullin had traits / qualities above the level he's been playing at, but that's because he's been given more time and space - which makes the world of difference. I could pull up a highlight reel of Mark Harris to make the exact same argument - look no further than the worldie he scored last month, I also remember him scoring a couple of great goals at Cardiff. I would also argue that what Harris produced last season in League 1 surpasses any season that Mullin has had. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Nov 7, 2024 23:12:08 GMT
If the level you play doesn't matter then we might as well start calling up prolific Cymru Premier players. Its just the fact that Mullin plays for Wrexham rather than say Mansfield or Accrington that he gets so much attention.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 8, 2024 11:25:38 GMT
If the level you play doesn't matter then we might as well start calling up prolific Cymru Premier players No one has said this |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 8, 2024 11:57:33 GMT
Every time I've watched Mullin he's looked like he's got a higher division's striker trapped in a lower league division body. Sounds painful. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 8, 2024 13:17:20 GMT
Every time I've watched Mullin he's looked like he's got a higher division's striker trapped in a lower league division body. Sounds painful. It's slightly painful to watch to be honest. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 8, 2024 13:25:03 GMT
If the level you play doesn't matter then we might as well start calling up prolific Cymru Premier players No one has said this You have: "Can't hurt to invite him along to the extended squad to see if he's able to mix it in with others around Championship level. He's proved he's a minimum of League One level. I'm sure plenty would decry the level he plays at but in reality his ability is all that matters, not the level" |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 8, 2024 22:36:32 GMT
You have: "Can't hurt to invite him along to the extended squad to see if he's able to mix it in with others around Championship level. He's proved he's a minimum of League One level. I'm sure plenty would decry the level he plays at but in reality his ability is all that matters, not the level" This is a quote of me saying how he plays beyond his level, a key piece of context which you've conveniently ignored there. Point me to where I say point blank that level is irrelevant - I'll wait |
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Post by iot on Nov 8, 2024 23:12:25 GMT
You have: "Can't hurt to invite him along to the extended squad to see if he's able to mix it in with others around Championship level. He's proved he's a minimum of League One level. I'm sure plenty would decry the level he plays at but in reality his ability is all that matters, not the level" This is a quote of me saying how he plays beyond his level, a key piece of context which you've conveniently ignored there. Point me to where I say point blank that level is irrelevant - I'll wait Yes but your mistake was to judge his ability based on what he could do at League 2 and below (+ a couple of decent FA Cup games), and then assumed he would be able to produce the same against better opposition. He may yet be able to do that, but I think it’s more likely at this point that we’re starting to see his ‘ceiling’ / limitations. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 8, 2024 23:41:08 GMT
You have: "Can't hurt to invite him along to the extended squad to see if he's able to mix it in with others around Championship level. He's proved he's a minimum of League One level. I'm sure plenty would decry the level he plays at but in reality his ability is all that matters, not the level" This is a quote of me saying how he plays beyond his level, a key piece of context which you've conveniently ignored there. Point me to where I say point blank that level is irrelevant - I'll wait That's the whole post, and you've said word for word that the level he plays at doesn't matter. You've assumed he's a League 1 level player at "minimum" on what was at that point a season in non-league with Wrexham and a very good season with Cambridge. At no point in his career as he proven he actually is a League 1 player, you've assumed he is based on performances against worse players where he's given more time and space |
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Post by insertname on Nov 9, 2024 11:23:39 GMT
This is a quote of me saying how he plays beyond his level, a key piece of context which you've conveniently ignored there. Point me to where I say point blank that level is irrelevant - I'll wait That's the whole post, and you've said word for word that the level he plays at doesn't matter. You've assumed he's a League 1 level player at "minimum" on what was at that point a season in non-league with Wrexham and a very good season with Cambridge. At no point in his career as he proven he actually is a League 1 player, you've assumed he is based on performances against worse players where he's given more time and space You’re ignoring (whether on purpose or not I can’t tell) the cup run Wrexham had where Mullin gave two championship defences a torrid time and offered a glimpse into how different things could have been for him had he elected to play at a higher level. He doesn’t seem the same player at the moment and so it could be argued that at that particular point in time the confidence he gained from playing for a dominant Wrexham side in non-league had him playing at a level way above the stature a player in the conference had any right to. That level of performance obviously turned out to be unsustainable in the long run as form waned and time took it’s toll but it would still be unfair to completely dismiss it as if he’s only ever been a lower league clogger. If Harris was playing like that against Sheff United and Coventry people downplaying Mullin would be raving about it and demanding him in the squad. For a period Mullin was playing well above himself, it’s not really debatable. Maybe Wales could have made use of that but elected not to. |
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Post by surge on Nov 9, 2024 12:51:21 GMT
There was lots of talk about Mullin when he was fit, confident and impressing in a cup run. I'm not sure what his ceiling was at this stage in his career.
He's now reached his 30th birthday (most outfield players have peaked by this age), has had two disrupted summers with injury and is trying to get back into a level of league football he hasn't conquered yet.
I'm not ruling it out but it might just be one of those things where the timing never works out. I also think a lot of the discussion is in fact how Wrexham fans have been so passionate about Wales without seeing one of their own picked for so long, and it's a position we lack depth in too.
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Post by wirralwelsh on Nov 9, 2024 19:04:31 GMT
This season is Mullin's chance to at least prove he is too good for League One to come in to the equation. He couldn't do it when he was 25 (3 goals in 20 matches) and he's not doing it now he's 30 (one goal this season)
At most he's looked adequate at this level. I'd sooner we pick a striker in his early to mid twenties looking adequate in the Championship than a 30 year old looking adequate at league One level. Conference and League Two counts for nothing in international football terms.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 10, 2024 0:05:06 GMT
This is a quote of me saying how he plays beyond his level, a key piece of context which you've conveniently ignored there. Point me to where I say point blank that level is irrelevant - I'll wait That's the whole post, and you've said word for word that the level he plays at doesn't matter. You've assumed he's a League 1 level player at "minimum" on what was at that point a season in non-league with Wrexham and a very good season with Cambridge. At no point in his career as he proven he actually is a League 1 player, you've assumed he is based on performances against worse players where he's given more time and space Actually I said that based on 3 excellent performances against sides at the top end of the Championship at the time |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 10, 2024 0:10:21 GMT
This is a quote of me saying how he plays beyond his level, a key piece of context which you've conveniently ignored there. Point me to where I say point blank that level is irrelevant - I'll wait Yes but your mistake was to judge his ability based on what he could do at League 2 and below (+ a couple of decent FA Cup games), and then assumed he would be able to produce the same against better opposition. He may yet be able to do that, but I think it’s more likely at this point that we’re starting to see his ‘ceiling’ / limitations. It was mostly due to his 3 brilliant performances against a side that made it to the Premier League and another side that got to the playoff final. I maintain at that time Mullin would have been handy to have in the squad as an impact sub, as his ability was far beyond the level he was playing at during this time. Those FA cup performances proved it and we could have done with that against the likes of Estonia/Belarus |
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Post by iot on Nov 10, 2024 9:36:23 GMT
Yes but your mistake was to judge his ability based on what he could do at League 2 and below (+ a couple of decent FA Cup games), and then assumed he would be able to produce the same against better opposition. He may yet be able to do that, but I think it’s more likely at this point that we’re starting to see his ‘ceiling’ / limitations. It was mostly due to his 3 brilliant performances against a side that made it to the Premier League and another side that got to the playoff final. I maintain at that time Mullin would have been handy to have in the squad as an impact sub, as his ability was far beyond the level he was playing at during this time. Those FA cup performances proved it and we could have done with that against the likes of Estonia/Belarus Always a mistake to read too much into one-off performances. Let's not forget that he played a couple of games against higher league opposition since then (Blackburn and Shrewsbury last season from memory) where he was unimpressive. Also, those games against Sheffield in which he did play well came after the WC qualifiers ended, so your timeline doesn't quite work out there. I think what we've seen since shows why he justifiably wasn't included in previous squads tbh. Hopefully the next time we have players banging them in at Conference / League 2 level, people don't lay into the manager for understandably prioritising those playing at a higher level and recognize that the level you play at does, in fact, matter. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 11, 2024 11:01:26 GMT
It was mostly due to his 3 brilliant performances against a side that made it to the Premier League and another side that got to the playoff final. I maintain at that time Mullin would have been handy to have in the squad as an impact sub, as his ability was far beyond the level he was playing at during this time. Those FA cup performances proved it and we could have done with that against the likes of Estonia/Belarus Always a mistake to read too much into one-off performances. Let's not forget that he played a couple of games against higher league opposition since then (Blackburn and Shrewsbury last season from memory) where he was unimpressive. Also, those games against Sheffield in which he did play well came after the WC qualifiers ended, so your timeline doesn't quite work out there. I think what we've seen since shows why he justifiably wasn't included in previous squads tbh. Hopefully the next time we have players banging them in at Conference / League 2 level, people don't lay into the manager for understandably prioritising those playing at a higher level and recognize that the level you play at does, in fact, matter. It wasn't a one off though it was 3 consecutive top performances against good opposition. Not saying he should have been in a squad before then as I'm aware of the timeline (there was no camp to call him up for when he was playing his best), merely just observing that I think that version of Mullin could have been a useful sub for us hypothetically. He may still be, or the injuries may have caught up to him. Let's wait and see |
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 14:21:12 GMT
Yikes, dropped today despite the long term injury to Marriott. Never mind the talk of him being capable of playing at a far higher level, at this rate he’ll be a third choice striker for a League 1 club. Hopefully this is what he needs to kick on!
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