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Post by morg on Apr 7, 2024 10:43:41 GMT
Aren't we having an EFL Training camp again in May? Presumably he and Will would be involved? I don't think we've done an EFL camp since Page has been in charge? Have seen a few references to last year's and Dragon Soccer has this re 2024? News : Thu, 28 Mar 24 Currently the FA Wales are still planning the annual EFL camp in mid May, this ahead of the camp for the matches in June. |
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Post by hooky on Apr 7, 2024 10:59:40 GMT
Funny how much criticism Mullin had for his form early in the season
I'd love to see any of us feel confident and unconcerned if we suffered a punctured lung, let alone exposing ourselves to the physicality and aerobic requirements of full on professional league matches. He has done remarkably well to come back so strong!
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Post by manulike on Apr 9, 2024 20:26:22 GMT
Two more today. Arise Sir Paul. Get him on the Bus. Heck get the man a limousine.
YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 10, 2024 6:39:56 GMT
11 goals in his last 10 games. Mullin is back!
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Post by manulike on Apr 10, 2024 14:57:55 GMT
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Post by winsumluzsum on Apr 10, 2024 15:33:48 GMT
Mullin has comfortably the best goals per 90 minutes tally in the league.
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Post by manulike on Apr 12, 2024 11:33:14 GMT
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Post by manulike on Apr 13, 2024 14:28:04 GMT
OH. YES! Our kid is avin a party ;-)
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Post by dai on Apr 13, 2024 15:10:12 GMT
Sad that Page and a number of Welsh fans don't think that Mullin is good enough for International football. He would have had a field day against Finland, as well as Armenia and Estonia imo.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Apr 13, 2024 15:32:49 GMT
Sad that Page and a number of Welsh fans don't think that Mullin is good enough for International football. He would have had a field day against Finland, as well as Armenia and Estonia imo. I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. |
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Post by manulike on Apr 13, 2024 15:58:17 GMT
Sad that Page and a number of Welsh fans don't think that Mullin is good enough for International football. He would have had a field day against Finland, as well as Armenia and Estonia imo. I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. Our Paul is officially a League 1 player today ;-) |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Apr 13, 2024 16:08:16 GMT
I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. Our Paul is officially a League 1 player today ;-) That's great, really chuffed for Wrexham and their fans. Plus Mullin of course. Moore, Broadhead and Johnson will still be playing at a higher level mind. |
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Post by melynwy on Apr 13, 2024 16:22:43 GMT
Sad that Page and a number of Welsh fans don't think that Mullin is good enough for International football. He would have had a field day against Finland, as well as Armenia and Estonia imo. I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. I don’t think international football requires more athleticism than club football. It’s the same game played by the same players. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 13, 2024 16:25:40 GMT
He's not even the best Welsh-qualified striker in League Two, never mind all leagues. He had a great time tearing apart farmers and postmen last season, but it's a bit more difficult up here. Didn't age well |
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Post by manulike on Apr 13, 2024 16:27:36 GMT
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Post by surge on Apr 13, 2024 17:17:40 GMT
His best season so far?
Don't know much about the Cambridge promotion season other than Mullin's insane goal tally, but presumably they were a better overall side, he was that much younger and not coming off a nasty injury.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Apr 13, 2024 17:51:37 GMT
I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. I don’t think international football requires more athleticism than club football. It’s the same game played by the same players. Seriously? That's your take? I meant that there is a difference in athleticism from Lg1 to the Prem and Championship, and we should be selecting players from the latter two leagues imo. |
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Post by melynwy on Apr 13, 2024 19:06:49 GMT
I don’t think international football requires more athleticism than club football. It’s the same game played by the same players. Seriously? That's your take? I meant that there is a difference in athleticism from Lg1 to the Prem and Championship, and we should be selecting players from the latter two leagues imo. I agree with you. That’s not a difference between club and international football though. It’s the difference between the best and the not so good. International football is not some elite level that’s beyond club football. League 1 (and other similar quality leagues around the world) is full of international players. No, of course they’re not playing for Spain, Germany and France. But Spain, Germany and France aren’t the definition of international football anymore than Real, Barca and Man City are the definition of club football. They are simply the elite. We are not elite. We always have a decent squad of mostly Prem/Championship players and often a handful from lower leagues. But if they can do a job, or have specific attributes that our higher level players are lacking, then I don’t see a problem. Also, it’s important to keep in mind that Mullin chose to drop down a few levels. He wasn’t forced to do so on account of his ability. He’s always been a L1/L2 quality player at least (he’s been a cut above in L2 more than once, including this year). His natural level is almost definitely at least L1 - perhaps he could do a job in the Championship in his prime, who knows, but not with the kind of numbers he’s doing now of course. But if, for example, he’s the one of the best finishers we have available, and we need a finisher, then why overlook him? |
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Post by dai on Apr 13, 2024 20:26:05 GMT
Sad that Page and a number of Welsh fans don't think that Mullin is good enough for International football. He would have had a field day against Finland, as well as Armenia and Estonia imo. I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. ‘International standard’ is a flawed logic in modern football. Any top flight club team is better than the top 32 international sides. Like the above poster said, plenty of international players in Leagues 1 and 2 and their equivalent versions across the World. |
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Post by melynwy on Apr 13, 2024 20:44:24 GMT
I'm not against him being capped in a low level friendly. My suspicion is that he lacks the athleticism for international football. He's in League 2, so there can not be any realistic claims that he's being hard done by. Any top flight club team is better than the top 32 international sides. I probably agree, apart from the very top 7/8 sides in international football. Are Everton a World Cup Round of 16 side? Probably. Same goes will a flawed logic of taking the Champions League as a measure of quality. Again, take the elite clubs out of the equation and look at the clubs that qualify from the lesser nations, and from the qualifying rounds They meet a definition of being "Champions League level" simply because they are there, but plenty of them are far below the lower Premier League clubs in terms of quality. |
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Post by dai on Apr 13, 2024 21:03:51 GMT
Any top flight club team is better than the top 32 international sides. I probably agree, apart from the very top 7/8 sides in international football. Are Everton a World Cup Round of 16 side? Probably. Same goes will a flawed logic of taking the Champions League as a measure of quality. Again, take the elite clubs out of the equation and look at the clubs that qualify from the lesser nations, and from the qualifying rounds They meet a definition of being "Champions League level" simply because they are there, but plenty of them are far below the lower Premier League clubs in terms of quality. Actually I probably should have rephrased that. I think all top half from the top flight leagues are better, apart from maybe the top 10 in international football. We are 30th in the Fifa rankings (I think), could a Championship or League 1 side beat us? I think so. |
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Post by melynwy on Apr 13, 2024 21:12:24 GMT
I probably agree, apart from the very top 7/8 sides in international football. Are Everton a World Cup Round of 16 side? Probably. Same goes will a flawed logic of taking the Champions League as a measure of quality. Again, take the elite clubs out of the equation and look at the clubs that qualify from the lesser nations, and from the qualifying rounds They meet a definition of being "Champions League level" simply because they are there, but plenty of them are far below the lower Premier League clubs in terms of quality. Actually I probably should have rephrased that. I think all top half from the top flight leagues are better, apart from maybe the top 10 in international football. We are 30th in the Fifa rankings (I think), could a Championship or League 1 side beat us? I think so. Very possibly (Championship sides especially). I don't agree with simply "top flight leagues" though - the Championship is higher quality than most top flights. It's around the 10th in the world or something similar according to the rankings, if I remember correctly. Which is kind of my point regarding the Champions League in the post above - you have to be "top flight" to reach the Champions League, but it doesn't mean you're a better side than lower league teams in stronger countries. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Apr 13, 2024 21:15:47 GMT
So we're saying we should pick players who are playing at a lower standard than our current crop, over said Championship and Premier League players?
As I said, I'm actually not against seeing him in a friendly against a lower ranked team.
But there is no reasonable argument for demanding a call up.
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Post by dai on Apr 13, 2024 21:27:27 GMT
So we're saying we should pick players who are playing at a lower standard than our current crop, over said Championship and Premier League players? As I said, I'm actually not against seeing him in a friendly against a lower ranked team. But there is no reasonable argument for demanding a call up. No, we're just saying we shouldn't completely discount well performing players at lower levels. Armenia played some great football against us, and most of their squad play in their top domestic league which I would say is on a par with League 1. |
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Post by iot on Apr 13, 2024 23:08:50 GMT
Think most people are on the same page on this. Personally I'd be inclined to see how he does at a higher level, but his age is a limiting factor and the way the international fixtures fall might mean it's worth calling him up as part of an extended squad for the Summer friendlies - there's no point playing the likes of Moore in those games. The one thing I would say is the whole 'it doesn't matter what level you're playing at if you know where the back of the net is' thing is bollocks. The two goals he scored midweek for example, he was completely unmarked 6 yards out for the first, and the second was absolutely shambolic from the defender and keeper. So there's a good % of the goals he's scored this season that he wouldn't get in League 1 or with us (with the exception of the lowest tier nations). There's also the fact that he benefits from playing off a big centre forward for Wrexham which Parkinson mentioned is really important to get the best out of him. Obviously we don't play that way - we could, and we have the ideal CF for it, but I'm really not a fan of ever having to rely on a Moore-Mullin combo ahead of your Johnson/James/Wilson/Brooks. There's a big question mark around how effective he would be as the sole CF
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Post by bobbyghoul on Apr 14, 2024 6:39:53 GMT
So we're saying we should pick players who are playing at a lower standard than our current crop, over said Championship and Premier League players? As I said, I'm actually not against seeing him in a friendly against a lower ranked team. But there is no reasonable argument for demanding a call up. No, we're just saying we shouldn't completely discount well performing players at lower levels. Armenia played some great football against us, and most of their squad play in their top domestic league which I would say is on a par with League 1. I don't think he's being completely discounted by anyone who matters. Page and the management set up will have looked extensively at Mullin. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 24, 2024 12:48:42 GMT
Think most people are on the same page on this. Personally I'd be inclined to see how he does at a higher level, but his age is a limiting factor and the way the international fixtures fall might mean it's worth calling him up as part of an extended squad for the Summer friendlies - there's no point playing the likes of Moore in those games. The one thing I would say is the whole 'it doesn't matter what level you're playing at if you know where the back of the net is' thing is bollocks. The two goals he scored midweek for example, he was completely unmarked 6 yards out for the first, and the second was absolutely shambolic from the defender and keeper. So there's a good % of the goals he's scored this season that he wouldn't get in League 1 or with us (with the exception of the lowest tier nations). There's also the fact that he benefits from playing off a big centre forward for Wrexham which Parkinson mentioned is really important to get the best out of him. Obviously we don't play that way - we could, and we have the ideal CF for it, but I'm really not a fan of ever having to rely on a Moore-Mullin combo ahead of your Johnson/James/Wilson/Brooks. There's a big question mark around how effective he would be as the sole CF The way I see it is that he doesn't need to be more than a 10 goal striker at Championship level to warrant looking at. I don't look at Mullin and see a player that will ever be a regular starter for us What I see is a bit of a wildcard that has a lot of personality, fight, desire and has that special "something" that could be of use to us over the next 4 years. I fancy him to gobble up a chance more than Bradshaw/Cullen in a high pressure environment. He may be no better than both, but it's his mentality (intangibles) that would make me favour throwing him on in extra time if we needed a goal I also think we shouldn't shy away from the fact he's a top penalty taker - something we could have done with recently! So yeah he's not the 2nd coming of Bale, he's a useful wildcard with unique qualities that could edge us a couple of points here or there |
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Post by iot on Apr 25, 2024 11:35:54 GMT
Think most people are on the same page on this. Personally I'd be inclined to see how he does at a higher level, but his age is a limiting factor and the way the international fixtures fall might mean it's worth calling him up as part of an extended squad for the Summer friendlies - there's no point playing the likes of Moore in those games. The one thing I would say is the whole 'it doesn't matter what level you're playing at if you know where the back of the net is' thing is bollocks. The two goals he scored midweek for example, he was completely unmarked 6 yards out for the first, and the second was absolutely shambolic from the defender and keeper. So there's a good % of the goals he's scored this season that he wouldn't get in League 1 or with us (with the exception of the lowest tier nations). There's also the fact that he benefits from playing off a big centre forward for Wrexham which Parkinson mentioned is really important to get the best out of him. Obviously we don't play that way - we could, and we have the ideal CF for it, but I'm really not a fan of ever having to rely on a Moore-Mullin combo ahead of your Johnson/James/Wilson/Brooks. There's a big question mark around how effective he would be as the sole CF The way I see it is that he doesn't need to be more than a 10 goal striker at Championship level to warrant looking at. I don't look at Mullin and see a player that will ever be a regular starter for us What I see is a bit of a wildcard that has a lot of personality, fight, desire and has that special "something" that could be of use to us over the next 4 years. I fancy him to gobble up a chance more than Bradshaw/Cullen in a high pressure environment. He may be no better than both, but it's his mentality (intangibles) that would make me favour throwing him on in extra time if we needed a goal I also think we shouldn't shy away from the fact he's a top penalty taker - something we could have done with recently! So yeah he's not the 2nd coming of Bale, he's a useful wildcard with unique qualities that could edge us a couple of points here or there Yeah I know you don't see him as John Charles reincarnated, but I'm just much more sceptical about his potential value to us as you know. Both Cullen and Bradshaw are 10 goal strikers at Championship level (or close enough). Bradshaw was much more prolific in League 1, and there's a good chance he'd be as prolific as Mullin's been in League 2. There's no particular reason to believe that Mullin represents an improvement on those players. You've also got the likes of Aaron Collins and Mark Harris who could make a reasonable case that they should be ahead of him in the pecking order Then you've got the issue of his age - if he is (just about) good enough to be included in the squad as a fringe player, for how long is that likely to last with Mullin turning 30 at the beginning of next season. You talk about a 4-year period, but given how mobile he is I think there's a good chance we'll see a dip in his level over that time period. So it's a question of whether we should invest (and it is an investment in terms of time and giving him an opportunity ahead of others) in a player who may or may not be better than our other 3rd choice CF options when he could be on a downward trajectory in a couple of years. I'm also very sceptical about us ever calling on him to make the difference off the bench ahead of half a dozen better forward players, which makes the whole discussion about 'I'd fancy him to gobble up an opportunity in extra time' all fairly academic. But putting my scepticism to one side, I'd be fine with him getting a chance against Gibraltar and as part of the wider squad just to see how he fits in, although I think the likes of Collins would rightly feel aggrieved. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Apr 30, 2024 12:11:40 GMT
iot I understand on paper there may not be much between him and the other contenders for a fringe place in the squad, it's just an eye test thing, I think Mullin has a bit more about him. Some players also peak later as well, so he could have another 3-4 seasons at this level, you never know Anyway I won't over egg the point, seems we agree he may get an opportunity at Gibraltar
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 3, 2024 18:36:53 GMT
Out for the foreseeable after undergoing surgery. Might explain why he wasn't called up for Gibraltar.
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