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Post by dai on Nov 3, 2021 12:21:04 GMT
If he is indeed THAT good, then why has he been playing in League 2 for the entirety of his career?
It's not like he's Kieffer Moore or Sorba who worked their way up, and became successful at a higher level. Granted, there may be time for him, but his career doesn't show the promise of someone working their way up.
Anyway, like has been mentioned, he's unlikely to ever get called up, so not sure why I'm getting my knickers in a twist. I just find it baffling that people are suggesting it when players at a higher level get repeatedly put down.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 3, 2021 12:30:59 GMT
If he is indeed THAT good, then why has he been playing in League 2 for the entirety of his career? It's not like he's Kieffer Moore or Sorba who worked their way up, and became successful at a higher level. Granted, there may be time for him, but his career doesn't show the promise of someone working their way up. Anyway, like has been mentioned, he's unlikely to ever get called up, so not sure why I'm getting my knickers in a twist. I just find it baffling that people are suggesting it when players at a higher level get repeatedly put down. I'm not sure why you're getting your 'knickers in a twist' over it either. Some people have seen him play recently and know he's the 2nd coming of Lee Trundle, there's some who haven't seem him play who are not really leaning on either side of the fence and are happy to see how this story progresses without really making an opinion on how good he is, then there's you. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 3, 2021 12:35:49 GMT
Calling up a non-league player? Seriously? I know we're desperate for a striker, but we have the likes of Jephcott, Doidge, Bradshaw (yes, him again), Vokes, T Lawrence etc playing at a higher level - and they all get brushed off as not being good enough. Yet someone playing non-league is? Hell, I'd even call up Liam Cullen before this guy. Strange...... Sounds like a modern day Koumas, enough skill and talent, but no ambition and work ethic. Would you call Vokes uo over Mullin? Sometimes an unknown quantity is better than one who is known to not be good enough. Lawrence had plenty of opportunities and only made contributions once in a blue moon. Doidge and Bradshaw for whatever reason aren't on our radar. Jephcott I hope will be given a chance soon but why not Mullin too. It's not like Harris, Roberts or Colwill are stepping up. |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 3, 2021 13:11:13 GMT
Kieffer Moore Freddy Eastwood Neil Taylor Sorba Thomas Unrelated to a point, as I know some of these are incomparable, but a few off the top of my head who rose from the English non-league to being called up to our squad. Any more? A real shame Lee Trundle was never deemed to be eligible, he would have been an excellent player to watch for us. An example of a player who blossomed later in his career. Ashley Williams was the biggest |
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Post by insertname on Nov 3, 2021 13:12:48 GMT
I will add that as a barometer, we had Mark Harris on loan here not too long ago and Mullin looked the far superior player of the two. I know Harris is fairly young, but surely he hasn't improved THAT much in that time. I think we'd need a couple of promotions before Mullin is considered mind, it seems unlikely he'd be looked at from the conference or even league 2, but who knows? It’s easy to dismiss this guy based on his level alone, because hey, all strikers score the number of goals he did for Cambridge don’t they 🙄 I would say it’s most definitely not a given that if Harris or Roberts went to play in league two they would score for fun and it sounds like we have some makings of empirical proof there with Harris only scoring three in half a season at Wrexham (in fairness to Harris he seems to be useful as a non-scoring striker for Wales). So I for one would be tempted to try and ease him into the international squad and see what happens. What gives me concern is less the level he is playing at (the goalscorer’s instinct imo is what is important and he has proved he knows where the net is at a pro level) and more that he is 26 and is basically trading off the back of one excellent season at Cambridge. The risk of being a “flash in the pan” is understandably high. But it’s not like we’d be paying a big fee for him + extortionate wages, it’s international football and there is very little cost to us to observe him in training and play him in a friendly. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2021 15:42:00 GMT
True, but Sorba was at the former last season! As I said before, he looks a far better player than Mark Harris did in his time here and Harris is now at Championship level. That's the only real comparison I have. Harris has improved massively since the start of last season, never mind compared to when he was at Wrexham If Mullin was about 20 I'd be more inclined to agree with people that maybe he could become a Championship striker, but he's not. He's 27 this month and one fantastic season aside has never really been prolific in League 1 or League 2. I think a lot of people see the goals and assume it's replicable at a higher level but that's not how it works, Eoin Doyle for instance was lethal in League 1, came to the Championship and was rubbish. This is literally a carbon copy of what people said about Kieffer Moore. I just don't see the use in anyone saying this guy will never do it to a good enough standard for us, just as I don't see the use in saying he definitely can. Speaking in definites on this issue will make fools of people as it did in regards to Kieffer We know he's more than a National League player, we know he's max a prospective League One level goal scorer based on his record. Could he go higher? Of course. Could he fail in doing that? Of course The reason it's interesting is because he was very prolific in League Two and we're struggling to find a goal scoring striker. It's not as if it was your bog standard 20 goal season from him either, he averaged 3 in 4 that season. A class record In regards to those comparing him to Vokes/Bradshaw etc... I've always said context is very important when selecting our squad. Anyone who simply just looks at the level these players are playing at is missing the point. Our squad selection would be bizarre if we just called up all of our Premier League players regardless of context |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 3, 2021 17:33:17 GMT
Slightly off topic but why the hell didn't Trundle apply for Welsh citizenship? He could have been brilliant for us.
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Post by cadno on Nov 3, 2021 17:45:04 GMT
Calling up a non-league player? Seriously? I know we're desperate for a striker, but we have the likes of Jephcott, Doidge, Bradshaw (yes, him again), Vokes, T Lawrence etc playing at a higher level - and they all get brushed off as not being good enough. Yet someone playing non-league is? Hell, I'd even call up Liam Cullen before this guy. Strange...... Sounds like a modern day Koumas, enough skill and talent, but no ambition and work ethic. Couldn't agree more! Add Marley Watkins to that list  |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 3, 2021 17:47:36 GMT
Harris has improved massively since the start of last season, never mind compared to when he was at Wrexham If Mullin was about 20 I'd be more inclined to agree with people that maybe he could become a Championship striker, but he's not. He's 27 this month and one fantastic season aside has never really been prolific in League 1 or League 2. I think a lot of people see the goals and assume it's replicable at a higher level but that's not how it works, Eoin Doyle for instance was lethal in League 1, came to the Championship and was rubbish. This is literally a carbon copy of what people said about Kieffer Moore. I just don't see the use in anyone saying this guy will never do it to a good enough standard for us, just as I don't see the use in saying he definitely can. Speaking in definites on this issue will make fools of people as it did in regards to Kieffer We know he's more than a National League player, we know he's max a prospective League One level goal scorer based on his record. Could he go higher? Of course. Could he fail in doing that? Of course The reason it's interesting is because he was very prolific in League Two and we're struggling to find a goal scoring striker. It's not as if it was your bog standard 20 goal season from him either, he averaged 3 in 4 that season. A class record In regards to those comparing him to Vokes/Bradshaw etc... I've always said context is very important when selecting our squad. Anyone who simply just looks at the level these players are playing at is missing the point. Our squad selection would be bizarre if we just called up all of our Premier League players regardless of context At the point Kieffer Moore was called up he'd made a number of Championship appearances and had proven himself in League 1 at both Barnsley & Rotherham. I don't think it's a valid comparison. There are people here saying Mullin is a Championship level striker, that's not justified by anything he's done in his career. I don't think there's absolutely no chance he could play higher, I just don't think its particularly likely and there are a number of other options who should be considered ahead of him. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 3, 2021 17:54:52 GMT
Calling up a non-league player? Seriously? I know we're desperate for a striker, but we have the likes of Jephcott, Doidge, Bradshaw (yes, him again), Vokes, T Lawrence etc playing at a higher level - and they all get brushed off as not being good enough. Yet someone playing non-league is? Hell, I'd even call up Liam Cullen before this guy. Strange...... Sounds like a modern day Koumas, enough skill and talent, but no ambition and work ethic. Would you call Vokes uo over Mullin? Sometimes an unknown quantity is better than one who is known to not be good enough. Lawrence had plenty of opportunities and only made contributions once in a blue moon. Doidge and Bradshaw for whatever reason aren't on our radar. Jephcott I hope will be given a chance soon but why not Mullin too. It's not like Harris, Roberts or Colwill are stepping up. Vokes has scored just over 100 career goals same as Kieffer Moore but Vokes has played a lot more in the Premier League. He's scored a few important goals for us & could still be handy as a back up to Moore imo. Harris given more opportunities could be good for us I think, offers something different to other strikers we call up! |
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Post by insertname on Nov 3, 2021 19:43:50 GMT
Would you call Vokes uo over Mullin? Sometimes an unknown quantity is better than one who is known to not be good enough. Lawrence had plenty of opportunities and only made contributions once in a blue moon. Doidge and Bradshaw for whatever reason aren't on our radar. Jephcott I hope will be given a chance soon but why not Mullin too. It's not like Harris, Roberts or Colwill are stepping up. Vokes has scored just over 100 career goals same as Kieffer Moore but Vokes has played a lot more in the Premier League. He's scored a few important goals for us & could still be handy as a back up to Moore imo. Harris given more opportunities could be good for us I think, offers something different to other strikers we call up! Vokes is a proven player at prem level but a proven failure at international level. There’s no point calling up a player to have another look at him when even at his best he only produced a decent performance once in the odd blue moon. Imo it would be a bigger shock to call up Vokes than it would to give an untried player like Mullin a go. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Nov 3, 2021 20:05:14 GMT
Slightly off topic but why the hell didn't Trundle apply for Welsh citizenship? He could have been brilliant for us. No such thing as Welsh citizenship unfortunately. We’re unable to naturalise a player like Ukraine did with Marlos etc. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 3, 2021 20:54:30 GMT
This is literally a carbon copy of what people said about Kieffer Moore. I just don't see the use in anyone saying this guy will never do it to a good enough standard for us, just as I don't see the use in saying he definitely can. Speaking in definites on this issue will make fools of people as it did in regards to Kieffer We know he's more than a National League player, we know he's max a prospective League One level goal scorer based on his record. Could he go higher? Of course. Could he fail in doing that? Of course The reason it's interesting is because he was very prolific in League Two and we're struggling to find a goal scoring striker. It's not as if it was your bog standard 20 goal season from him either, he averaged 3 in 4 that season. A class record In regards to those comparing him to Vokes/Bradshaw etc... I've always said context is very important when selecting our squad. Anyone who simply just looks at the level these players are playing at is missing the point. Our squad selection would be bizarre if we just called up all of our Premier League players regardless of context At the point Kieffer Moore was called up he'd made a number of Championship appearances and had proven himself in League 1 at both Barnsley & Rotherham. I don't think it's a valid comparison. There are people here saying Mullin is a Championship level striker, that's not justified by anything he's done in his career. I don't think there's absolutely no chance he could play higher, I just don't think its particularly likely and there are a number of other options who should be considered ahead of him. Of course it's a valid comparison. Nothing about Kieffer's record prior to being called up by us suggested that he was anything more than a solid League One striker (if you simply go by his record). He'd actually failed to make any meaningful impact during his stints at Championship clubs. Lots of people on here used this fact to suggest that it was unlikely Moore would ever be more than a League One striker, and for that reason we should be considering other options ahead of him at a higher level, e.g Vokes & Bradshaw My point at the time with Moore was always that there was more context to his record. He was a battle-hardened senior who was really big and strong, offered something different and could become a focal point for us to be more direct and vary our play from possession out the back - something we were missing at the time So I think there's actually a lot of comparisons to be made here. Mullin's record suggests he's a highly prolific League Two striker, which quite possibly means he's a decent League One striker. But perhaps he also offers something different to what we have? What if he's just a natural goalscorer whose career is finally clicking? What if he continues to develop late in his career like Moore? We're really missing a natural goalscoring striker, so if he's up in League One with Wrecsam in 2 years time continuing to bang goals in then he'll really be in the frame I think this possibility is all anyone is seriously talking about right now |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 3, 2021 20:57:22 GMT
Slightly off topic but why the hell didn't Trundle apply for Welsh citizenship? He could have been brilliant for us. Lee always expressed a desire to play for ROI (lineage) but to the best of my memory they never gave him a call. |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 4, 2021 7:18:23 GMT
Never watched Mullin so can't comment to a full extent
But Moore only really started banging them in when he was 25 on loan for Barnsley in League One before that he wasn't prolific what so ever.
I wouldn't rule anything out for the future, there are a lot of similarities there. One to keep an eye on if he gets up the leagues
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 4, 2021 9:37:32 GMT
Slightly off topic but why the hell didn't Trundle apply for Welsh citizenship? He could have been brilliant for us. Lee always expressed a desire to play for ROI (lineage) but to the best of my memory they never gave him a call. I’m sure someone told back in 06 he was eligible for Northern Ireland but he’d declared no desire and turned down a call up several times to play for republic. I never read that so can’t confirm just remember a Swansea fan telling me once |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 4, 2021 16:05:01 GMT
Lee always expressed a desire to play for ROI (lineage) but to the best of my memory they never gave him a call. I’m sure someone told back in 06 he was eligible for Northern Ireland but he’d declared no desire and turned down a call up several times to play for republic. I never read that so can’t confirm just remember a Swansea fan telling me once I seem to remember him being quoted as saying that he was hoping for a republic call up. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 5, 2021 12:50:42 GMT
Would you call Vokes uo over Mullin? Sometimes an unknown quantity is better than one who is known to not be good enough. Lawrence had plenty of opportunities and only made contributions once in a blue moon. Doidge and Bradshaw for whatever reason aren't on our radar. Jephcott I hope will be given a chance soon but why not Mullin too. It's not like Harris, Roberts or Colwill are stepping up. Vokes has scored just over 100 career goals same as Kieffer Moore but Vokes has played a lot more in the Premier League. He's scored a few important goals for us & could still be handy as a back up to Moore imo. Harris given more opportunities could be good for us I think, offers something different to other strikers we call up! He did score some important goals but not enough in my opinion. His general play too, all he could really do was head it on for their keeper to collect. I always felt with Vokes he was on because we had to name 11 players. Club level could be a good way to measure but Moore does the business at international level. Harris I don't see the hype with. He's a busy player but it amounts to nothing. He has an assist by missing a chance to score.... twice. For a striker that's not good. Happy to be proved wrong on him but I think he'll have a goal ratio similar to Tyler Roberts. |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 5, 2021 16:08:34 GMT
The same people getting upset at such a suggestion because he's "non-league", "too old" etc. probably still see Jazz Richards and Dave Edwards as viable options if we ever got into an injury crisis, and feel no sense of irony.
Mullin has a knack for scoring plenty of goals in many different ways, and we're not exactly blessed with options when it comes to this. Give me form over reputation any day.
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Post by cadno on Nov 5, 2021 19:01:56 GMT
The same people getting upset at such a suggestion because he's "non-league", "too old" etc. probably still see Jazz Richards and Dave Edwards as viable options if we ever got into an injury crisis, and feel no sense of irony. Mullin has a knack for scoring plenty of goals in many different ways, and we're not exactly blessed with options when it comes to this. Give me form over reputation any day. I doubt it, I love DE and Jazz but even I would say they shouldn't be called up now! haha |
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Post by cadno on Nov 5, 2021 19:05:28 GMT
Vokes has scored just over 100 career goals same as Kieffer Moore but Vokes has played a lot more in the Premier League. He's scored a few important goals for us & could still be handy as a back up to Moore imo. Harris given more opportunities could be good for us I think, offers something different to other strikers we call up! He did score some important goals but not enough in my opinion. His general play too, all he could really do was head it on for their keeper to collect. I always felt with Vokes he was on because we had to name 11 players. Club level could be a good way to measure but Moore does the business at international level. Harris I don't see the hype with. He's a busy player but it amounts to nothing. He has an assist by missing a chance to score.... twice. For a striker that's not good. Happy to be proved wrong on him but I think he'll have a goal ratio similar to Tyler Roberts. Fair enough, I agree he was a bit underwheliming in a lot of games for us, but still quite handy and probably the best we had as a big target man before Moore came along. |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 5, 2021 22:05:43 GMT
The same people getting upset at such a suggestion because he's "non-league", "too old" etc. probably still see Jazz Richards and Dave Edwards as viable options if we ever got into an injury crisis, and feel no sense of irony. Mullin has a knack for scoring plenty of goals in many different ways, and we're not exactly blessed with options when it comes to this. Give me form over reputation any day. Are there any who see Jazz and Dave Edwards as viable options? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 24, 2021 9:28:29 GMT
We've got super Paul Mullin.  |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 24, 2021 10:37:25 GMT
9 goals in 13 games for Mullin this season so far and when I say 9 it's 9 goals spread over 9 games, no hat-tricks there, a brace there and a five game spell without a goal, the man is scoring regularly.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 24, 2021 11:10:47 GMT
9 goals in 13 games for Mullin this season so far and when I say 9 it's 9 goals spread over 9 games, no hat-tricks there, a brace there and a five game spell without a goal, the man is scoring regularly. Doing so without the aid of a decent midfield too. Utilised properly he'd blitz his figure from last season. Hopefully we can get some decent bodies in January to help with that. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 24, 2021 11:14:41 GMT
Chedwyn back from injury and scored for PNE last night. Who needs Mullin, when we have a proven Ch'sp goal scorer, although slightly over the hill now.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 24, 2021 19:29:23 GMT
Chedwyn back from injury and scored for PNE last night. Who needs Mullin, when we have a proven Ch'sp goal scorer, although slightly over the hill now. Wrexham. Wrexham need Mullin. |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 24, 2021 19:36:07 GMT
Chedwyn back from injury and scored for PNE last night. Who needs Mullin, when we have a proven Ch'sp goal scorer, although slightly over the hill now. Wrexham. Wrexham need Mullin. Of course they do, I would like nothing better to see Wrexham back in the league. Shame there can't be more young Welsh prospects in their squad. How's Davies developing? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 24, 2021 20:30:01 GMT
Wrexham. Wrexham need Mullin. Of course they do, I would like nothing better to see Wrexham back in the league. Shame there can't be more young Welsh prospects in their squad. How's Davies developing? He's not getting the chance to showcase his ability in this midfield as it is our weakness, but if we sign someone with a bit more presence to play behind him I'm sure he'll shine. I believe he's our most naturally talented player in our squad. |
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Post by kingstonred on Mar 6, 2022 10:09:17 GMT
Called up to the England C squad.
That should put that debate on whether we should call up a non league player to bed…
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