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Post by marsvolta on Jan 14, 2024 15:51:06 GMT
The argument that Mullin isn't Welsh really annoys me. He has the bloodline but not only that, and this I think carries a lot of weight, he works in Wales and is adored by the people of the area he works in. I've always thought that if you live somewhere long enough and that place has an impact on you it can make you feel like you are from that area. If I lived in Andorra, played for a local side that went on a crazy journey and the fans idolised me I'd play for Andorra if there was a technicality that allowed it, knowing full well that the Wales dream is over. Mullin already has dual nationality, I don't know why the media and people have such an issue with it, whether it's League Two Paul Mullin, League One Joe Morrell or Premier League Chris Mepham, especially when the English national side owes so much to the Windrush generation and more recently countries like Nigeria. All this, plus the fact that he’d be far from the first non-Welsh born player to play for us and almost certainly wouldn’t be the last. To be fair, most of the noise probably doesn’t come from Wales fans so should be ignored, just strange that he’s been singled out. |
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Post by iot on Jan 15, 2024 11:38:46 GMT
I think he's doing very well, but there's a few players in the league that have been better, and there's nothing to say that he would be able to replicate those numbers at a higher level. Whisper it quietly, but there have been a good few games this season where he's actually been fairly ineffective. I compared Bradshaw's most recent seasons in League 1 (spanning two seasons and 70 games btw!) with Mullin's latest season in League 2. Unless you think Bradshaw's much worse than he was back then, I think that's a fair comparison to make. Why would I compare Mullin's numbers of 3 or 4 years ago when we're debating the merit of calling him up now with what he's currently producing? You think Mullin should be our 4th choice striker ahead of Cullen. Fair enough. Someone else was saying the other day that they thought Cullen has a key part to play in the future of Welsh football. I disagree with both of you, and think both have very little to offer the national side. 'In Mullin, I see a player who has the right attributes & mentality to be a good impact player for us. If a chance falls his way he takes it. He's shown that in his FA Cup performances against Championship teams (in the case of Sheff Utd that was a PL team to be as well). I think it's a mistake to rule someone out due to age when their peak is later. Kieffer Moore wasn't a spring chicken when we brought him in, and it would have been a mistake to rule him out due to age' I think there's quite a few weaknesses in that argument. Firstly, 3 games against championship sides (where 2 of the 3 goals he scored were penalties) is not sufficient to suggest that he's an improvement on the players currently being selected. On your point about his age, Kieffer was playing in the Championship at the time he was called up. My whole point is, Mullin has made a series of decisions which mean that he won't be able to test himself at that level until he's well into his 30s, and I do think it will be too late at that point. I certainly don't think that what he's producing in League 2 is enough to get him a callup for the playoffs or for the Euros if we make it. Who knows, if he scores a crazy amount of goals in the first half of the season in League 1, maybe it's worth considering calling up a 30yo Mullin to have an impact on our world cup qualifying campaign. I just don't see it. I think it's widely accepted that Mullin has improved with time and peaked late, so I think including his numbers from the season that it's obvious he started peaking is fair, because the only reason he didn't then move up a level is due to the unique circumstance with Wrexham If you think he has little to offer the national side then you might be right, but I see him as someone who could come on and grab a potentially important winning goal in the odd game here and there, which COULD end up being important. So I guess it depends how you define "having little to offer". 2 goals might be little to offer, but if they're 2 winning goals off the bench that help us get promoted in the Nations League or something then it's a good contribution imo Those 3 games against Championship sides I think Mullin was MOTM in 2 of them, and had a very good game in the other. I watched all 3 and it's those games that initially made me consider him internationally because I thought he looked immense, and ran a soon to be PL defence ragged. Yes 2 of his goals were pens, but he won them both as well, he was a bit of a 1 man show "I certainly don't think that what he's producing in League 2 is enough to get him a callup for the playoffs or for the Euros if we make it" I just think it's too soon to make the statements you're making here. As I've said if he continues and reaches 34 goal contributions this season in the league, and Wrexham get promoted, that only furthers his claim to get a call up. You might not think that's enough, but I'd take that as a demonstration he's ready for the next level up by which point can we really say that we know Cullen is better (currently on 4 goals in 25 league games). I don't think so. If we get to that point I'd want to see Mullin given a chance to see if he is at the level, and if he's not then we know for sure Also sometimes it's not necessarily about your league form, it's about your attributes. Players like Joniesta consistently played at a lower level than most players on the pitch at international level, and yet often he would show these players up due to his attributes and the things he's good at. After watching Mullin against Championship players I get the same feeling with him. I could be wrong of course, but that my opinion on him It's easy to say stuff like 'Mullin would be more likely of burying a chance than XYZ player' and 'why not just give him a chance, what's to lose', but what I want to hear from those people is how, logically, do they see him being incorporated into the squad and how they think he will have an impact at international level. So to take the emotion out of it, do people want to see him included in the upcoming playoffs and, bearing in mind we will only play 3 of James, Ramsey, Johnson, Brooks, Wilson, and Moore - in what scenario do people see Mullin having an impact in those games? Who does he come in ahead of? Or are people saying we should wait until the end of the season and potentially call him up to the Euros? I personally would be against that because he won't have contributed towards the qualifiers, would be extremely unlikely of getting on the pitch (so best give the experience to a younger player), and he will still only have shown that he's a good League 2 forward. So if that's not the case, do people see him as a more medium to longer term project? So is it at the beginning of the World Cup qualifiers in March 2025 that people see him coming in? He will be 30 at that point, but will have played three quarters of a season in League 1 (assuming that Wrexham go up), so that to me seems the most reasonable opening. If he's played 30-odd League 1 games at that point and scored 20-odd goals, I wouldn't mind see him getting called up. But if he's only having an ok-ish season in League 1 at that point, I would be against a call-up. Either way, I think that should be the point we seriously contemplate whether he deserves a call up and can have any sort of impact before he starts to decline as a player. The next Nations League Campaign doesn't start until September 2024, by which point Mullin will be almost 31, so too late to start incorporating him imo. It should be the beginning of the WC qualifiers or never. As I've said, I'm highly sceptical that he can have an impact, but let's see how he performs at a higher level. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jan 15, 2024 13:51:41 GMT
As things stand I would agree that Mullin's chances if making the Cymru squad are slim. But it would only take injuries to Moore and Broadhead to change the landscape considerably. That and a good run for Mullin in the cup.
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Post by melynwy on Jan 15, 2024 19:40:46 GMT
I think it's widely accepted that Mullin has improved with time and peaked late, so I think including his numbers from the season that it's obvious he started peaking is fair, because the only reason he didn't then move up a level is due to the unique circumstance with Wrexham If you think he has little to offer the national side then you might be right, but I see him as someone who could come on and grab a potentially important winning goal in the odd game here and there, which COULD end up being important. So I guess it depends how you define "having little to offer". 2 goals might be little to offer, but if they're 2 winning goals off the bench that help us get promoted in the Nations League or something then it's a good contribution imo Those 3 games against Championship sides I think Mullin was MOTM in 2 of them, and had a very good game in the other. I watched all 3 and it's those games that initially made me consider him internationally because I thought he looked immense, and ran a soon to be PL defence ragged. Yes 2 of his goals were pens, but he won them both as well, he was a bit of a 1 man show "I certainly don't think that what he's producing in League 2 is enough to get him a callup for the playoffs or for the Euros if we make it" I just think it's too soon to make the statements you're making here. As I've said if he continues and reaches 34 goal contributions this season in the league, and Wrexham get promoted, that only furthers his claim to get a call up. You might not think that's enough, but I'd take that as a demonstration he's ready for the next level up by which point can we really say that we know Cullen is better (currently on 4 goals in 25 league games). I don't think so. If we get to that point I'd want to see Mullin given a chance to see if he is at the level, and if he's not then we know for sure Also sometimes it's not necessarily about your league form, it's about your attributes. Players like Joniesta consistently played at a lower level than most players on the pitch at international level, and yet often he would show these players up due to his attributes and the things he's good at. After watching Mullin against Championship players I get the same feeling with him. I could be wrong of course, but that my opinion on him It's easy to say stuff like 'Mullin would be more likely of burying a chance than XYZ player' and 'why not just give him a chance, what's to lose', but what I want to hear from those people is how, logically, do they see him being incorporated into the squad and how they think he will have an impact at international level. So to take the emotion out of it, do people want to see him included in the upcoming playoffs and, bearing in mind we will only play 3 of James, Ramsey, Johnson, Brooks, Wilson, and Moore - in what scenario do people see Mullin having an impact in those games? Who does he come in ahead of? Or are people saying we should wait until the end of the season and potentially call him up to the Euros? I personally would be against that because he won't have contributed towards the qualifiers, would be extremely unlikely of getting on the pitch (so best give the experience to a younger player), and he will still only have shown that he's a good League 2 forward. So if that's not the case, do people see him as a more medium to longer term project? So is it at the beginning of the World Cup qualifiers in March 2025 that people see him coming in? He will be 30 at that point, but will have played three quarters of a season in League 1 (assuming that Wrexham go up), so that to me seems the most reasonable opening. If he's played 30-odd League 1 games at that point and scored 20-odd goals, I wouldn't mind see him getting called up. But if he's only having an ok-ish season in League 1 at that point, I would be against a call-up. Either way, I think that should be the point we seriously contemplate whether he deserves a call up and can have any sort of impact before he starts to decline as a player. The next Nations League Campaign doesn't start until September 2024, by which point Mullin will be almost 31, so too late to start incorporating him imo. It should be the beginning of the WC qualifiers or never. As I've said, I'm highly sceptical that he can have an impact, but let's see how he performs at a higher level. A good, reasoned take on it. But I don't think the age is really an issue. If he ends up scoring goal after goal in the Championship at age 35 I'd have no problem calling him up then, even if it was for his first cap. Of course, an eye on the future is always needed, but you you also need the players to the job there an then. If that happens to be Mullin in a few years, that's fine. |
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Post by iot on Jan 15, 2024 23:27:28 GMT
It's easy to say stuff like 'Mullin would be more likely of burying a chance than XYZ player' and 'why not just give him a chance, what's to lose', but what I want to hear from those people is how, logically, do they see him being incorporated into the squad and how they think he will have an impact at international level. So to take the emotion out of it, do people want to see him included in the upcoming playoffs and, bearing in mind we will only play 3 of James, Ramsey, Johnson, Brooks, Wilson, and Moore - in what scenario do people see Mullin having an impact in those games? Who does he come in ahead of? Or are people saying we should wait until the end of the season and potentially call him up to the Euros? I personally would be against that because he won't have contributed towards the qualifiers, would be extremely unlikely of getting on the pitch (so best give the experience to a younger player), and he will still only have shown that he's a good League 2 forward. So if that's not the case, do people see him as a more medium to longer term project? So is it at the beginning of the World Cup qualifiers in March 2025 that people see him coming in? He will be 30 at that point, but will have played three quarters of a season in League 1 (assuming that Wrexham go up), so that to me seems the most reasonable opening. If he's played 30-odd League 1 games at that point and scored 20-odd goals, I wouldn't mind see him getting called up. But if he's only having an ok-ish season in League 1 at that point, I would be against a call-up. Either way, I think that should be the point we seriously contemplate whether he deserves a call up and can have any sort of impact before he starts to decline as a player. The next Nations League Campaign doesn't start until September 2024, by which point Mullin will be almost 31, so too late to start incorporating him imo. It should be the beginning of the WC qualifiers or never. As I've said, I'm highly sceptical that he can have an impact, but let's see how he performs at a higher level. A good, reasoned take on it. But I don't think the age is really an issue. If he ends up scoring goal after goal in the Championship at age 35 I'd have no problem calling him up then, even if it was for his first cap. Of course, an eye on the future is always needed, but you you also need the players to the job there an then. If that happens to be Mullin in a few years, that's fine. I'm not saying age is an issue because we need to think about the future, I'm saying it's an issue because players in his position generally start to deteriorate in their early 30s, particularly if they have a bit of pace and their game relies on movement. As I said, if he's scoring for fun in League 1, it deserves serious consideration. If he's doing it in the Championship, it's a no-brainer even at 35. That said, all of that is highly unlikely, hence my skepticism l. It's much more likely, imo, that he'll have a decent couple of seasons in L1 over the next couple of years, but probably nothing special (I suspect he will have found his level) and then he'll drop off a fair bit at around 33 |
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Post by talyfan on Jan 16, 2024 13:31:02 GMT
Think him playing for Wrexham, a well supported Welsh club and where Welsh media outlets keep a strong eye on. Always going to draw more attention as he's in the front of a lot of Welsh supporters minds.
Think if he played for Sutton or Crewe, don't think we'd see half the fanfare.
Good player, someone we should monitor but feel the boat although not sailed yet is ready to sail off shortly.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jan 17, 2024 8:51:03 GMT
Think him playing for Wrexham, a well supported Welsh club and where Welsh media outlets keep a strong eye on. Always going to draw more attention as he's in the front of a lot of Welsh supporters minds. Think if he played for Sutton or Crewe, don't think we'd see half the fanfare. Good player, someone we should monitor but feel the boat although not sailed yet is ready to sail off shortly. If we have to pick a league 2 striker then I think Wales chances would have already sailed away. Any player under Championship level picked for Wales faces a monumental task of stepping up to International level. I also thinks it would show how far we have fallen as a team. |
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Post by melynwy on Jan 17, 2024 9:28:08 GMT
Think him playing for Wrexham, a well supported Welsh club and where Welsh media outlets keep a strong eye on. Always going to draw more attention as he's in the front of a lot of Welsh supporters minds. Think if he played for Sutton or Crewe, don't think we'd see half the fanfare. Good player, someone we should monitor but feel the boat although not sailed yet is ready to sail off shortly. If we have to pick a league 2 striker then I think Wales chances would have already sailed away. Any player under Championship level picked for Wales faces a monumental task of stepping up to International level. I also thinks it would show how far we have fallen as a team. But if that’s the level we’re at, we should call him up right? The symbolic value of it is meaningless- are you suggesting we should scrap the national team if we can’t have a squad of championship-plus player? No one’s suggesting that Mullin should be called up if he’s not a good option. But if a League 2 player becomes a viable option to do a job, then so be it And “international level” doesn’t exist. Mullin is much better than some international players, and much worse than others. The lower leagues are full of international players. Not at a high level, but they still meet a definition of “international level”, so it’s a meaningless term. International football is not an elite level. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2024 9:31:50 GMT
Think him playing for Wrexham, a well supported Welsh club and where Welsh media outlets keep a strong eye on. Always going to draw more attention as he's in the front of a lot of Welsh supporters minds. Think if he played for Sutton or Crewe, don't think we'd see half the fanfare. Good player, someone we should monitor but feel the boat although not sailed yet is ready to sail off shortly. The thing is I think you could say this about so many players if they played for Welsh clubs. The reality is it's irrelevant why our focus has been drawn to him because the fact is he does play for a Welsh club, and that has made a lot of people aware of his abilities that otherwise we wouldn't have been. If Mullin was doing all of this for Notts County and I watched him play and was equally impressed and was stating his eligibility I would still personally be calling for him to be considered, so to me the fact he plays for Wrexham is irrelevant, it's about his ability |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 17, 2024 9:34:55 GMT
I think it's widely accepted that Mullin has improved with time and peaked late, so I think including his numbers from the season that it's obvious he started peaking is fair, because the only reason he didn't then move up a level is due to the unique circumstance with Wrexham If you think he has little to offer the national side then you might be right, but I see him as someone who could come on and grab a potentially important winning goal in the odd game here and there, which COULD end up being important. So I guess it depends how you define "having little to offer". 2 goals might be little to offer, but if they're 2 winning goals off the bench that help us get promoted in the Nations League or something then it's a good contribution imo Those 3 games against Championship sides I think Mullin was MOTM in 2 of them, and had a very good game in the other. I watched all 3 and it's those games that initially made me consider him internationally because I thought he looked immense, and ran a soon to be PL defence ragged. Yes 2 of his goals were pens, but he won them both as well, he was a bit of a 1 man show "I certainly don't think that what he's producing in League 2 is enough to get him a callup for the playoffs or for the Euros if we make it" I just think it's too soon to make the statements you're making here. As I've said if he continues and reaches 34 goal contributions this season in the league, and Wrexham get promoted, that only furthers his claim to get a call up. You might not think that's enough, but I'd take that as a demonstration he's ready for the next level up by which point can we really say that we know Cullen is better (currently on 4 goals in 25 league games). I don't think so. If we get to that point I'd want to see Mullin given a chance to see if he is at the level, and if he's not then we know for sure Also sometimes it's not necessarily about your league form, it's about your attributes. Players like Joniesta consistently played at a lower level than most players on the pitch at international level, and yet often he would show these players up due to his attributes and the things he's good at. After watching Mullin against Championship players I get the same feeling with him. I could be wrong of course, but that my opinion on him It's easy to say stuff like 'Mullin would be more likely of burying a chance than XYZ player' and 'why not just give him a chance, what's to lose', but what I want to hear from those people is how, logically, do they see him being incorporated into the squad and how they think he will have an impact at international level. So to take the emotion out of it, do people want to see him included in the upcoming playoffs and, bearing in mind we will only play 3 of James, Ramsey, Johnson, Brooks, Wilson, and Moore - in what scenario do people see Mullin having an impact in those games? Who does he come in ahead of? Or are people saying we should wait until the end of the season and potentially call him up to the Euros? I personally would be against that because he won't have contributed towards the qualifiers, would be extremely unlikely of getting on the pitch (so best give the experience to a younger player), and he will still only have shown that he's a good League 2 forward. So if that's not the case, do people see him as a more medium to longer term project? So is it at the beginning of the World Cup qualifiers in March 2025 that people see him coming in? He will be 30 at that point, but will have played three quarters of a season in League 1 (assuming that Wrexham go up), so that to me seems the most reasonable opening. If he's played 30-odd League 1 games at that point and scored 20-odd goals, I wouldn't mind see him getting called up. But if he's only having an ok-ish season in League 1 at that point, I would be against a call-up. Either way, I think that should be the point we seriously contemplate whether he deserves a call up and can have any sort of impact before he starts to decline as a player. The next Nations League Campaign doesn't start until September 2024, by which point Mullin will be almost 31, so too late to start incorporating him imo. It should be the beginning of the WC qualifiers or never. As I've said, I'm highly sceptical that he can have an impact, but let's see how he performs at a higher level. As I've said I'd much prefer him in the squad to Cullen as I think Mullin is the better all round player and more suited to the international game. However if people disagree with that I'd say his most likely route in is if we have a couple of injuries, or the next available friendlies I'd want us to take a look at him |
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Post by iot on Jan 17, 2024 11:44:21 GMT
So you want to bring him in for the playoffs ahead of Cullen? I personally don't think that would achieve anything and would only serve as a distraction. You'd get a bit of a backlash from Swansea fans (remember the Oli Cooper nonsense before the WC) and a lot of press attention on Mullin's inclusion - probably don't need all of that before these games tbh.
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Post by manulike on Jan 17, 2024 14:10:08 GMT
I do hope that Paul isn't an apostle regular ...
#GetHimOnTheBus
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 18, 2024 15:40:50 GMT
So you want to bring him in for the playoffs ahead of Cullen? I personally don't think that would achieve anything and would only serve as a distraction. You'd get a bit of a backlash from Swansea fans (remember the Oli Cooper nonsense before the WC) and a lot of press attention on Mullin's inclusion - probably don't need all of that before these games tbh. But not taking Cooper has proven to be the correct decision, and the backlash from the Swansea fans has been proven to be nonsense as a result. Cooper has only played 90 mins of football since the beginning of December, and only started 4 games all season. You can't base all the decisions on whether you'll receive backlash from emotional fans who act irrationally There was backlash to calling up Kieffer, Morrell & Gunter in the past but they all proved that this backlash was just noise I really don't think a new player coming in would be that much of a distraction, and I think if we need a goal I'd rather have Mullin on the bench than Cullen, simple as. I'm sure some will disagree |
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2024 16:22:23 GMT
So you want to bring him in for the playoffs ahead of Cullen? I personally don't think that would achieve anything and would only serve as a distraction. You'd get a bit of a backlash from Swansea fans (remember the Oli Cooper nonsense before the WC) and a lot of press attention on Mullin's inclusion - probably don't need all of that before these games tbh. But not taking Cooper has proven to be the correct decision, and the backlash from the Swansea fans has been proven to be nonsense as a result. Cooper has only played 90 mins of football since the beginning of December, and only started 4 games all season. You can't base all the decisions on whether you'll receive backlash from emotional fans who act irrationally There was backlash to calling up Kieffer, Morrell & Gunter in the past but they all proved that this backlash was just noise I really don't think a new player coming in would be that much of a distraction, and I think if we need a goal I'd rather have Mullin on the bench than Cullen, simple as. I'm sure some will disagree 'You can't base all the decisions on whether you'll receive backlash from emotional fans who act irrationally' Don't be silly, you know that's not what I'm saying. All I'm suggesting is that we, you know, look at the pros and cons of calling Mullin up for these playoffs (as I assume you now want to do). Among the cons is that it would make some noise in the press and could cause a bit of a distraction - nothing major to be concerned about, but probably an unnecessary distraction. If we look at the pros, I can't see any scenario where Mullin would get any gametime in these games. The decision will be between starting Moore or Johnson as the central forward with two of James, Johnson, Ramsey, Brooks, Wilson supporting. Bradshaw would be next in line as the CF option if something happens to Moore or Johnson or we'd go back to the 532 formation with split forwards. We wouldn't bring Mullin on if we're winning or drawing, and I think it would be ridiculous to bring him on ahead of a James, Brooks or Broadhead even if we're chasing a goal or two. So I can't see any immediate benefit. I can only think that it would be a useful way of embedding him into the squad, but I would be firmly against that because I think there's a massive question mark on whether he has any part to play going forward, and these games are obviously not the time to think further ahead. 'I really don't think a new player coming in would be that much of a distraction' Come on, you're being disingenuous now because you're not that naiive. You know this wouldn't be the case of bringing any old player in, it would be bringing in the star of Welcome to Wrexham and this would be a big development within the Wrexham story with all the media attention that comes with it. 'I think if we need a goal I'd rather have Mullin on the bench than Cullen, simple as.' I think you're tyring to build a bit of a strawman there. Firstly, I actually think Cullen does deserve a shot ahead of Mullin but it's a pointless debate because Cullen's not going to get anywhere near the pitch either. The debate is whether Mullin would start or come off the bench ahead of Moore, Johnson, James, Wilson, Brooks, Broadhead etc. |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 18, 2024 16:54:51 GMT
If we were going to call Mullin up then the best opportunity was the Gibraltar game in Wrexham (heaven knows we needed a boost in the second half when the game fizzled out with the rain driving in our faces)
Saying that, Bradshaw is out for a month and Cullen is in and out of the Swansea side so who knows.
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Post by reyrey on Jan 19, 2024 15:24:51 GMT
But not taking Cooper has proven to be the correct decision, and the backlash from the Swansea fans has been proven to be nonsense as a result. Cooper has only played 90 mins of football since the beginning of December, and only started 4 games all season. You can't base all the decisions on whether you'll receive backlash from emotional fans who act irrationally There was backlash to calling up Kieffer, Morrell & Gunter in the past but they all proved that this backlash was just noise I really don't think a new player coming in would be that much of a distraction, and I think if we need a goal I'd rather have Mullin on the bench than Cullen, simple as. I'm sure some will disagree 'You can't base all the decisions on whether you'll receive backlash from emotional fans who act irrationally' Don't be silly, you know that's not what I'm saying. All I'm suggesting is that we, you know, look at the pros and cons of calling Mullin up for these playoffs (as I assume you now want to do). Among the cons is that it would make some noise in the press and could cause a bit of a distraction - nothing major to be concerned about, but probably an unnecessary distraction. If we look at the pros, I can't see any scenario where Mullin would get any gametime in these games. The decision will be between starting Moore or Johnson as the central forward with two of James, Johnson, Ramsey, Brooks, Wilson supporting. Bradshaw would be next in line as the CF option if something happens to Moore or Johnson or we'd go back to the 532 formation with split forwards. We wouldn't bring Mullin on if we're winning or drawing, and I think it would be ridiculous to bring him on ahead of a James, Brooks or Broadhead even if we're chasing a goal or two. So I can't see any immediate benefit. I can only think that it would be a useful way of embedding him into the squad, but I would be firmly against that because I think there's a massive question mark on whether he has any part to play going forward, and these games are obviously not the time to think further ahead. 'I really don't think a new player coming in would be that much of a distraction' Come on, you're being disingenuous now because you're not that naiive. You know this wouldn't be the case of bringing any old player in, it would be bringing in the star of Welcome to Wrexham and this would be a big development within the Wrexham story with all the media attention that comes with it. 'I think if we need a goal I'd rather have Mullin on the bench than Cullen, simple as.' I think you're tyring to build a bit of a strawman there. Firstly, I actually think Cullen does deserve a shot ahead of Mullin but it's a pointless debate because Cullen's not going to get anywhere near the pitch either. The debate is whether Mullin would start or come off the bench ahead of Moore, Johnson, James, Wilson, Brooks, Broadhead etc. The debate to me is would you want Mullins to come off the bench ahead of Bradshaw if we need a goal. Moore is nailed on for the strikers place in the squad and the others are wingers/ attacking midfielders. Also it’s worth noting that Broadhead scored the equaliser against Croatia when he was playing in League one. In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance. |
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Post by iot on Jan 19, 2024 16:02:33 GMT
'You can't base all the decisions on whether you'll receive backlash from emotional fans who act irrationally' Don't be silly, you know that's not what I'm saying. All I'm suggesting is that we, you know, look at the pros and cons of calling Mullin up for these playoffs (as I assume you now want to do). Among the cons is that it would make some noise in the press and could cause a bit of a distraction - nothing major to be concerned about, but probably an unnecessary distraction. If we look at the pros, I can't see any scenario where Mullin would get any gametime in these games. The decision will be between starting Moore or Johnson as the central forward with two of James, Johnson, Ramsey, Brooks, Wilson supporting. Bradshaw would be next in line as the CF option if something happens to Moore or Johnson or we'd go back to the 532 formation with split forwards. We wouldn't bring Mullin on if we're winning or drawing, and I think it would be ridiculous to bring him on ahead of a James, Brooks or Broadhead even if we're chasing a goal or two. So I can't see any immediate benefit. I can only think that it would be a useful way of embedding him into the squad, but I would be firmly against that because I think there's a massive question mark on whether he has any part to play going forward, and these games are obviously not the time to think further ahead. 'I really don't think a new player coming in would be that much of a distraction' Come on, you're being disingenuous now because you're not that naiive. You know this wouldn't be the case of bringing any old player in, it would be bringing in the star of Welcome to Wrexham and this would be a big development within the Wrexham story with all the media attention that comes with it. 'I think if we need a goal I'd rather have Mullin on the bench than Cullen, simple as.' I think you're tyring to build a bit of a strawman there. Firstly, I actually think Cullen does deserve a shot ahead of Mullin but it's a pointless debate because Cullen's not going to get anywhere near the pitch either. The debate is whether Mullin would start or come off the bench ahead of Moore, Johnson, James, Wilson, Brooks, Broadhead etc. The debate to me is would you want Mullins to come off the bench ahead of Bradshaw if we need a goal. Moore is nailed on for the strikers place in the squad and the others are wingers/ attacking midfielders. Also it’s worth noting that Broadhead scored the equaliser against Croatia when he was playing in League one. In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance. Johnson has played centrally for us quite a few times and performed well there in our most recent game in fact. But we've played well with the 532 split forward formation in recent years with e.g. James and Johnson performing the roles, Broadhead is also more than capable of playing that role. If we start Moore and we're 2-1 down against Poland with 60mins gone would I want Mullin to come on? No, absolutely not. There would be no sense in it. I don't particularly rate Bradshaw either, but he's shown that he can be handy in the Championship. I 100% think it would be better to bring him on ahead of Mullin, although it's worth noting that Bradshaw has never played a minute of competitive football for us either which shows that we'd rightly turn to other options before being desperate enough to turn to a Bradshaw, Mullin or Cullen. 'In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance.' That's poor logic, you could say that about anyone or anything. Mullin should be treated like any other player where he gets the chance when he deserves it ahead of others. He isn't even standing out in League 2 at the moment. I listen to a few Wrexham podcasts and even they (who often call for his inclusion in the Welsh squad btw) have spoken about how he's often been quiet this season and understandably not putting in the same type of performances as he did last season. Cullen took part in numerous squads before getting his first game against Gibraltar and it's been the same for lots of other players. Saying that Mullin should come into this squad and be considered as one of our go-tos if we're chasing a goal is absolutely bonkers imo. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jan 19, 2024 16:17:55 GMT
I would agree that Mullin's current form doesn't warrant inclusion in the Cymru squad. But an upturn in form, and a star turn vs Blackburn in particular, coupled with one or two injuries to his rivals for a place in the squad, could change the calculus. I think it's unlikely he'll be included in the next squad, and even more unlikely to get any game time, but if it happens then I wouldn't be at all surprised if he performs well. I think he has something about him that makes me think he'd do well given the chance.
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Post by reyrey on Jan 19, 2024 16:47:21 GMT
The debate to me is would you want Mullins to come off the bench ahead of Bradshaw if we need a goal. Moore is nailed on for the strikers place in the squad and the others are wingers/ attacking midfielders. Also it’s worth noting that Broadhead scored the equaliser against Croatia when he was playing in League one. In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance. Johnson has played centrally for us quite a few times and performed well there in our most recent game in fact. But we've played well with the 532 split forward formation in recent years with e.g. James and Johnson performing the roles, Broadhead is also more than capable of playing that role. If we start Moore and we're 2-1 down against Poland with 60mins gone would I want Mullin to come on? No, absolutely not. There would be no sense in it. I don't particularly rate Bradshaw either, but he's shown that he can be handy in the Championship. I 100% think it would be better to bring him on ahead of Mullin, although it's worth noting that Bradshaw has never played a minute of competitive football for us either which shows that we'd rightly turn to other options before being desperate enough to turn to a Bradshaw, Mullin or Cullen. 'In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance.' That's poor logic, you could say that about anyone or anything. Mullin should be treated like any other player where he gets the chance when he deserves it ahead of others. He isn't even standing out in League 2 at the moment. I listen to a few Wrexham podcasts and even they (who often call for his inclusion in the Welsh squad btw) have spoken about how he's often been quiet this season and understandably not putting in the same type of performances as he did last season. Cullen took part in numerous squads before getting his first game against Gibraltar and it's been the same for lots of other players. Saying that Mullin should come into this squad and be considered as one of our go-tos if we're chasing a goal is absolutely bonkers imo. I’d agree if we had lots of choice for strikers that can score goals. I would argue I’d rather mullin come on before Bradshaw if we need a goal and it’s worth noting that Bradshaw is another player that Made his Welsh debut while playing league 1. We dont have to agree but he’s scored 10 league goals in 18 games which coming off a serious injury is good going. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 20, 2024 15:14:59 GMT
The debate to me is would you want Mullins to come off the bench ahead of Bradshaw if we need a goal. Moore is nailed on for the strikers place in the squad and the others are wingers/ attacking midfielders. Also it’s worth noting that Broadhead scored the equaliser against Croatia when he was playing in League one. In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance. Johnson has played centrally for us quite a few times and performed well there in our most recent game in fact. But we've played well with the 532 split forward formation in recent years with e.g. James and Johnson performing the roles, Broadhead is also more than capable of playing that role. If we start Moore and we're 2-1 down against Poland with 60mins gone would I want Mullin to come on? No, absolutely not. There would be no sense in it. I don't particularly rate Bradshaw either, but he's shown that he can be handy in the Championship. I 100% think it would be better to bring him on ahead of Mullin, although it's worth noting that Bradshaw has never played a minute of competitive football for us either which shows that we'd rightly turn to other options before being desperate enough to turn to a Bradshaw, Mullin or Cullen. 'In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance.' That's poor logic, you could say that about anyone or anything. Mullin should be treated like any other player where he gets the chance when he deserves it ahead of others. He isn't even standing out in League 2 at the moment. I listen to a few Wrexham podcasts and even they (who often call for his inclusion in the Welsh squad btw) have spoken about how he's often been quiet this season and understandably not putting in the same type of performances as he did last season. Cullen took part in numerous squads before getting his first game against Gibraltar and it's been the same for lots of other players. Saying that Mullin should come into this squad and be considered as one of our go-tos if we're chasing a goal is absolutely bonkers imo. Bradshaw has 3 competitive appearances for us |
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Post by iot on Jan 20, 2024 16:01:54 GMT
Johnson has played centrally for us quite a few times and performed well there in our most recent game in fact. But we've played well with the 532 split forward formation in recent years with e.g. James and Johnson performing the roles, Broadhead is also more than capable of playing that role. If we start Moore and we're 2-1 down against Poland with 60mins gone would I want Mullin to come on? No, absolutely not. There would be no sense in it. I don't particularly rate Bradshaw either, but he's shown that he can be handy in the Championship. I 100% think it would be better to bring him on ahead of Mullin, although it's worth noting that Bradshaw has never played a minute of competitive football for us either which shows that we'd rightly turn to other options before being desperate enough to turn to a Bradshaw, Mullin or Cullen. 'In my opinion we will never know if he doesn’t get a chance.' That's poor logic, you could say that about anyone or anything. Mullin should be treated like any other player where he gets the chance when he deserves it ahead of others. He isn't even standing out in League 2 at the moment. I listen to a few Wrexham podcasts and even they (who often call for his inclusion in the Welsh squad btw) have spoken about how he's often been quiet this season and understandably not putting in the same type of performances as he did last season. Cullen took part in numerous squads before getting his first game against Gibraltar and it's been the same for lots of other players. Saying that Mullin should come into this squad and be considered as one of our go-tos if we're chasing a goal is absolutely bonkers imo. Bradshaw has 3 competitive appearances for us Really? Presumably in the Nations League? Whilst they're technically classed as competitive games, my point is that Page clearly doesn't think he's a viable option for important games, and I would argue he's achieved more in his career than Mullin has. Just watched the first half of the wrexham Newport game btw. In fairness Wrexham have been down to 10 (again) for most of the half, but Mullin's been extremely quiet, like he has been most times I've watched Wrexham this season. Not sure if he's already lost a yard, or if it's the level up, but he isn't getting on the end of nearly as many balls down the channel as he was last season. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 20, 2024 16:12:16 GMT
Bradshaw has 3 competitive appearances for us Really? Presumably in the Nations League? Whilst they're technically classed as competitive games, my point is that Page clearly doesn't think he's a viable option for important games, and I would argue he's achieved more in his career than Mullin has. Just watched the first half of the wrexham Newport game btw. In fairness Wrexham have been down to 10 (again) for most of the half, but Mullin's been extremely quiet, like he has been most times I've watched Wrexham this season. Not sure if he's already lost a yard, or if it's the level up, but he isn't getting on the end of nearly as many balls down the channel as he was last season. He came on against Croatia (A), Armenia (H) and Turkey (A) in the qualifying campaign |
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Post by derynglas on Jan 20, 2024 16:33:47 GMT
Bradshaw came on against Latvia(A) as well.Was in the preliminary squad for Euro 2016 but was injured in the training camp.
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Post by iot on Jan 21, 2024 11:47:43 GMT
Interesting thread here from Wrexham fans which I think backs up my point that Mullin hasn't been ripping up the league this season. Not trying to have an unnecessary dig here, I think Mullin's a really good player at this level, but just feel a lot of people have a false impression of what his level truly is, based on a couple of very good high-profile performances last season. If you look at the hard cold facts, there is no way we should be calling him up at the moment. I would be against it even if he were dominating the league, but that should be the bare minimum at this level.
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Post by reyrey on Jan 21, 2024 17:54:33 GMT
Interesting thread here from Wrexham fans which I think backs up my point that Mullin hasn't been ripping up the league this season. Not trying to have an unnecessary dig here, I think Mullin's a really good player at this level, but just feel a lot of people have a false impression of what his level truly is, based on a couple of very good high-profile performances last season. If you look at the hard cold facts, there is no way we should be calling him up at the moment. I would be against it even if he were dominating the league, but that should be the bare minimum at this level. Sorry but this doesnt back your point up at all. Most are saying hes not having the same service and still runs his bollocks chasing lost causes. The main thing it agrees on is that wrexham needs more pace in its side. i dont think anyone is arguing that he is ripping up the league, just that they would prefer him in the welsh squad over some other players. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 21, 2024 18:19:03 GMT
I think we need to view his overall season at the end of 23/24 to really see if he's had a good season. I don't doubt it if he's had a few games where he's not quite at it. But his stats say he's having a good season in terms of productivity. I want to see where he's at in May to really judge. Obviously if he ends the season with a poor goal return then the argument to not include him grows, but he still is on 10 goals and 3 assists in 19 games so far, so calls of a bad season are premature so far imo
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jan 21, 2024 22:47:07 GMT
He has the skill, workrate and intelligence for international football but not the athleticism.
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Post by iot on Jan 22, 2024 10:12:47 GMT
Interesting thread here from Wrexham fans which I think backs up my point that Mullin hasn't been ripping up the league this season. Not trying to have an unnecessary dig here, I think Mullin's a really good player at this level, but just feel a lot of people have a false impression of what his level truly is, based on a couple of very good high-profile performances last season. If you look at the hard cold facts, there is no way we should be calling him up at the moment. I would be against it even if he were dominating the league, but that should be the bare minimum at this level. Sorry but this doesnt back your point up at all. Most are saying hes not having the same service and still runs his bollocks chasing lost causes. The main thing it agrees on is that wrexham needs more pace in its side. i dont think anyone is arguing that he is ripping up the league, just that they would prefer him in the welsh squad over some other players. The point I'm making is that Wrexham fans are debating why Mullin isn't dominating like he was last season which is revealing in itself - regardless of the specific reasons being debated, it's widely acknowledged that he's struggling slightly. He's not the standout player in the league which significantly weakens his case to be called up into the Welsh squad. For me - he would need to be hitting Ronaldo-type numbers (for League 2 obviously) to show that he's far too good for the league and thus the case for a callup is much stronger, but he's not doing that. As you say, most are pointing to the lack of service which is a fair point although I would say that it's the same players making the same type of balls down the channels as they did last season, it's just that Mullin's against better quality defences and is therefore unable to get on the end of things as much and bully defences like he was able to do last season. People should think about that - he's already become a lot more ineffective stepping up from the National League to League 2, it's another couple of levels up against Finland and then another level up against Poland. Yes, he had a couple of standout performances against Championship opposition in the cup last season, but I would argue his performances week-in, week-out in the league is a better indicator of his level. He was decent against League 1 Shrewsbury a couple of weeks ago, but nothing special. He's been good in League 2 this season, but he hasn't been the Ronaldo of League 2, just a good League 2 striker. I suspect he will find his level in League 1 next season and produce something similar to what Bradshaw was doing when he was scoring one in every two games in League 1 at the age of 22-24. |
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Post by iot on Jan 22, 2024 10:16:59 GMT
I think we need to view his overall season at the end of 23/24 to really see if he's had a good season. I don't doubt it if he's had a few games where he's not quite at it. But his stats say he's having a good season in terms of productivity. I want to see where he's at in May to really judge. Obviously if he ends the season with a poor goal return then the argument to not include him grows, but he still is on 10 goals and 3 assists in 19 games so far, so calls of a bad season are premature so far imo I'm slightly confused, I thought you wanted him to be called up for the playoffs? So you want to wait until the end of the season to see what he's done in League 2 and then think about calling him up for the Euros if we make it? Also, who's said that he's had a bad season? I would disagree with that, I think he's been good for League 2 level, but the whole debate is whether simply being 'good' - maybe the 5th or 6th best striker in League 2 this season - is good enough to merit inclusion in the Welsh squad. I would argue it's definitely not |
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Post by rncfc on Jan 22, 2024 11:11:23 GMT
He's not even the best Welsh-qualified striker in League Two, never mind all leagues.
He had a great time tearing apart farmers and postmen last season, but it's a bit more difficult up here.
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