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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jan 14, 2023 11:03:13 GMT
Are S4C also covering Mr Mullin & Co's encounter against the Blades on 29/01/23 (bearing in mind that they were the only UK channel to show 'live' the Coventry game in the last round)?
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Post by iot on Jan 14, 2023 12:08:04 GMT
I watched Wrexham's last league game, which was just after the Coventry game and live on BT. Has to be said that Mullin, along with the team overall, had a poor game (caveat being terrible weather and conditions). He took his penalty brilliantly like he always does, he seems to be very strong mentally, I'll give him that. He had three other presentable opportunities, and messed them all up. Some very poor touches too.
Again, it's just one game, but so was Coventry. Just don't think he deserves q call up personally
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Post by rushy on Jan 14, 2023 13:57:32 GMT
Are S4C also covering Mr Mullin & Co's encounter against the Blades on 29/01/23 (bearing in mind that they were the only UK channel to show 'live' the Coventry game in the last round)? It's live on BBC. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jan 14, 2023 15:56:26 GMT
I know that, thanks. I was just enquiring whether S4C will also be covering it.
Meanwhile, I see that PM did not play in Wrexham's (not to be regretted) exit from the FA Trophy comp last night, in the 'on penalties' defeat to Altrincham.
Saving himself no doubt for 4 tough upcoming league fixtures, the Sheff Utd FA Cup game, and a possible Wales call-up in March if goals keep going in!
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Post by barneycat1 on Jan 14, 2023 16:00:24 GMT
Why on earth would Wales call up a player plying his trade in the National League?
He is doing well for Wrexham yes, but come on.
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Post by massivefloodlights on Jan 16, 2023 12:09:32 GMT
Mullin is a championship player in waiting.
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 16, 2023 14:47:12 GMT
Why on earth would Wales call up a player plying his trade in the National League? He is doing well for Wrexham yes, but come on. Because he’s far more likely to score goals than the likes of Harris, Roberts and James |
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Post by garynysmon on Jan 16, 2023 16:38:49 GMT
I don't recall anyone advocating Marc Lloyd-Williams and Eifion Williams for Wales squads when they were scoring a gazillion goals in the League of Wales. There's probably good reason for that.
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 16, 2023 18:23:15 GMT
I don't think the League of Wales is of the same standard as the National League or League Two, two divisions that Mullin has scored 76 goals in over the last two and a half seasons.
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Post by insertname on Jan 16, 2023 20:08:51 GMT
Why on earth would Wales call up a player plying his trade in the National League? He is doing well for Wrexham yes, but come on. Because he’s far more likely to score goals than the likes of Harris, Roberts and James Exactly, it’s less that people are saying Mullin is good and more that the strikers who actually get picked are so bad we have to start entertaining ideas about trying to make conference players fit (although it seems beyond doubt to me that Mullin is playing below his level to some degree). At the end of the day one thing we can all agree on is that, following on from the World Cup, there just aren’t enough goals in our players and that has to be rectified somehow. I think most of us can agree that those goals aren’t going to come from the likes of Harris, Roberts and James so we need to try other options and be open minded about it. |
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Post by derynglas on Jan 16, 2023 20:29:51 GMT
Eifion Wiliams played over 300 games in the Football league.
In 2003-4 he played for Hartlepool in League 1 and was actually called up
for the Wales squad by Mark Hughes.But he was injured in a play off defeat to Bristol City
and missed out on the chance of an international cap.
Marc Lloyd Williams played for a couple of football league clubs as well.
Similar to Mullin i suppose they scored goals wherever they went but dont
get the chance when higher level players are picked despite not playing regularly at times.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 16, 2023 21:26:08 GMT
I don't think the League of Wales is of the same standard as the National League or League Two, two divisions that Mullin has scored 76 goals in over the last two and a half seasons. Not even close in terms of standard. |
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 16, 2023 21:26:55 GMT
Eifion Wiliams played over 300 games in the Football league. In 2003-4 he played for Hartlepool in League 1 and was actually called up for the Wales squad by Mark Hughes.But he was injured in a play off defeat to Bristol City and missed out on the chance of an international cap. Marc Lloyd Williams played for a couple of football league clubs as well. Similar to Mullin i suppose they scored goals wherever they went but dont get the chance when higher level players are picked despite not playing regularly at times. On the game LMA Manager 2007 I had those two in my Wrexham squad, along with the capped Chris Llewellyn, as my eventually all Welsh side conquered Europe. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 16, 2023 21:59:52 GMT
Eifion Wiliams played over 300 games in the Football league. In 2003-4 he played for Hartlepool in League 1 and was actually called up for the Wales squad by Mark Hughes.But he was injured in a play off defeat to Bristol City and missed out on the chance of an international cap. Marc Lloyd Williams played for a couple of football league clubs as well. Similar to Mullin i suppose they scored goals wherever they went but dont get the chance when higher level players are picked despite not playing regularly at times. Don’t forget Rhys Griffiths |
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Post by garynysmon on Jan 17, 2023 8:26:11 GMT
I don't think the League of Wales is of the same standard as the National League or League Two, two divisions that Mullin has scored 76 goals in over the last two and a half seasons. Not even close in terms of standard. 20 March 2018 Friendly Wales C 2-3 England C Barry, Wales 19 March 2019 Friendly England C 2-2 Wales C Salford, England 30 March 2022 Friendly Wales C 4-0 England C Caernarfon, Wales These are the results of the matches between the Cymru Premier and National League representative sides over recent years. Does that sound like a massive gulf in favour of the latter? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 17, 2023 9:09:29 GMT
Not even close in terms of standard. 20 March 2018 Friendly Wales C 2-3 England C Barry, Wales 19 March 2019 Friendly England C 2-2 Wales C Salford, England 30 March 2022 Friendly Wales C 4-0 England C Caernarfon, Wales These are the results of the matches between the Cymru Premier and National League representative sides over recent years. Does that sound like a massive gulf in favour of the latter? I'm not sure I'd take those results as face value, as good as the last one is. Only one starter for England C featured in the national league's team of the season (and he has already moved back to the National League), it wasn't exactly the best of the best from that level. Conversely I'd wager a few of the Wales C players featured in the Cymru Premier team of the season. Another thing to bare in mind is that hardly any of the England C players play in the same side. There's a wider spread than the Wales C players. Not a lot of squad chemistry there. I'm not going to deny that there's a good number of players in the Welsh Premier that could make the grade at National League level, it would be absurd to suggest otherwise. The reality is that there's a lot more money in the National League due to attendances, investment and cup prize money, which naturally brings in better quality footballers. While the very top teams in the Cymru Premier may make a fist of staying up at this level, there's absolutely no way on Earth they compete with the likes of Wrexham, Chesterfield and Notts County. Wrexham, in particular, have been cherry picking players from League One and Two as of late. I'm sure this'll be misinterpreted as disrespect, as it does everytime anyone dares to be realistic about the standard of Welsh Premier football, but I mean absolutely none. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jan 17, 2023 9:20:36 GMT
But given that the vast majority of Connah's Quay and Bala's squads aren't Welsh, and TNS only had three players in it (one being the sub keeper), you can hardly describe it as a 'Best Cymru Premier XI either' and no club had more than three players in it. www.faw.cymru/en/news/cymru-c-squad-announced/I'm not going to argue that the English National League doesn't enjoy much bigger attendances and substantially more full time players, being based in much larger populated towns and cities than your average Welsh town. They're very different leagues by nature. But at the end of the day its a clutch of Cymru Premier players taking on a clutch of National League players, our only real barometer of the comparative standard of play. And over three matches we've not been clearly outclassed. |
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Post by foxmulder on Jan 17, 2023 9:31:11 GMT
The thing is, we'll never know unless we try.
Going back to Eifion Williams, during those days, Wales were dreadful. It was the Bobby Gould era. IT WAS DREADFUL!!
Williams scored around 120 goals in two seasons at Barry who were one of five of Wales's only professional clubs. Was he called up? No.
He then played for Wales B and scored the winning goal after coming on as a sub and with his first touch. Was he called up? No.
He then signed for Torquay and scored a hat trick on his debut. Was he called up? No.
Why couldn't he have been called up for a friendly just to have a proper look at him? Even just having him in the squad could've been enough.
It just joins a pattern that's been consistent throughout Welsh football. It's only been since Kieffer Moore that we've properly stopped screaming for a striker and that's ironic considering he came from the low leagues.
I love every player that's put on a Welsh shirt, but for years we've relying on players such as:
Iwan Roberts (15 caps - 0 goals)
Tyler Roberts (19 caps - 0 goals)
Steve Morison (20 caps - 1 goal)
Simon Church (38 caps - 3 goals).
Wow, that's 4 goals out of 92 caps!!
If players like Eifion Williams, Marc Lloyd Williams, Tom Bradshaw, Paul Mullin, Christian Doidge were/are never given a proper chance, then we'll never, never know.
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Post by insertname on Jan 17, 2023 9:44:52 GMT
Yeah that’s the “mic drop” moment for those demanding retention of the status quo at all costs. How many goals has only utilising players from the upper echelons of the league brought us? It’s only been Kieffer’s emergence that has bucked the trend of giving poor strikers far too many caps to prove what we worked out fairly early on
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Post by bale-droed on Jan 17, 2023 10:28:41 GMT
Side note
Dion Donohue has more Ynys Mon caps than Wales C. I love that
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 17, 2023 11:13:14 GMT
Personally, given how crucial every game appears to be for us at the moment, I'd rather Wales steered clear of Mullin at least until June anyway!
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Post by foxmulder on Jan 17, 2023 12:09:25 GMT
I'm not sure anyone is advocating an immediate call up and play Croatia straight away. But this is a case of trying them out when the time is appropriate.
For example, Kieffer's debut was in a friendly.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 18, 2023 7:57:47 GMT
I mean crucial for Wrexham, not Wales.
Was tongue in cheek, I'm not expecting us to actually call him up this early.
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Post by captainhaddock on Jan 18, 2023 9:22:30 GMT
I don't recall anyone advocating Marc Lloyd-Williams and Eifion Williams for Wales squads when they were scoring a gazillion goals in the League of Wales. There's probably good reason for that. Marc Lloyd Williams made the b squad a few times for Wales, Mullin has already been top scorer and player of the season in the league above (League two), was a league one player and was ineresting Championship clubs when he signed for Wrexham, different kettle of fish |
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Post by morg on Jan 18, 2023 9:58:03 GMT
Do you know what, sod it, I'd pick him now. He's a predator. Get him in. What's the worst that could happen? If he came on as sub and missed a chance, could we honestly say 'Harris would have buried that'? Pick him, even if it's just for a chance to see how he trains with the 'elite'.
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 18, 2023 10:01:05 GMT
I can see the Paul Mullin thread being the one everyone posts in when the Bradshaw thread goes quiet, which always happens when he goes on his usual 12 game run without scoring in between short bursts of 2 or 3 goals now and then.
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2023 11:19:17 GMT
The irony is that on the previous page of this very thread I pointed out that it’s you who keeps bringing Bradshaw up and here you are doing it again only a page later. For someone who goes round the forum making light of other people talking about Bradshaw you seem to bring him up more that anyone else! It hurts my eyes to keep seeing it to be honest cus there’s just no need to keep doing it
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 18, 2023 11:48:20 GMT
I don't recall anyone advocating Marc Lloyd-Williams and Eifion Williams for Wales squads when they were scoring a gazillion goals in the League of Wales. There's probably good reason for that. Marc Lloyd Williams made the b squad a few times for Wales, Mullin has already been top scorer and player of the season in the league above (League two), was a league one player and was ineresting Championship clubs when he signed for Wrexham, different kettle of fish Didn't do particularly well in League 1 though We've got a younger player who is doing outstandingly well in League 1 this season, he should be getting a call ahead of Mullin |
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Post by captainhaddock on Jan 18, 2023 12:18:16 GMT
he left before the season started in league 1, the only other time he played there was when the season was cut short because of covid (Tranmere)
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 18, 2023 12:38:35 GMT
I can see the Paul Mullin thread being the one everyone posts in when the Bradshaw thread goes quiet, which always happens when he goes on his usual 12 game run without scoring in between short bursts of 2 or 3 goals now and then. The irony is that on the previous page of this very thread I pointed out that it’s you who keeps bringing Bradshaw up and here you are doing it again only a page later. For someone who goes round the forum making light of other people talking about Bradshaw you seem to bring him up more that anyone else! It hurts my eyes to keep seeing it to be honest cus there’s just no need to keep doing it I promise I won’t mention him again for another six weeks, after which I’d better comment to bump his thread up because that thread goes very quiet when he doesn’t score. |
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