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Post by eppingblue1 on Oct 13, 2023 15:54:31 GMT
Really didn't expect that last night and a bit gutted to be honest. Strange position now. Armenia away likely to be a damp squib, our first away qualifier for 10 years with nothing riding on it. On the other hand, we do the unexpected and beat Croatia and Armenia away becomes the most exciting trip in those 10 years. We need 15 - 16 big performances on Sunday and if that's not enough then we go again in the play offs.
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Post by hooky on Oct 13, 2023 18:41:49 GMT
To be honest - if Scotland were playing against them, even when they have not been at their best in the past, I would not be surprised if they turned a team like Croatia over at home.
They are of a better quality than us but they aren't France or England and with their small population they do not have the depth of the big countries.
So sure they should beat us on average in such a game, but its our stadium and if we play with passion and up to our potential quality wise then it is not impossible. I just hope Page can set them up right and add something positive for a change. We can win but need to believe we can win and Page needs to make some smart decisions when needed
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 14, 2023 0:13:41 GMT
Had we beaten Armenia I don't think we'd have lost to Turkey, I really don't think we'd have lost to Turkey. The Armenia defeat was such a shocking and naive display that it led to Moore getting sent off and by the time we went to Turkey we'd gone completely into our shell, any cobwebs that we'd thought had been blown off from the World Cup were there for all to see. Everything that happened against Armenia had a knock on effect in the Turkey game. The Armenia game was massive, it changed things more dramatically than anything else in the group.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 14, 2023 7:11:51 GMT
Had we beaten Armenia I don't think we'd have lost to Turkey, I really don't think we'd have lost to Turkey. The Armenia defeat was such a shocking and naive display that it led to Moore getting sent off and by the time we went to Turkey we'd gone completely into our shell, any cobwebs that we'd thought had been blown off from the World Cup were there for all to see. Everything that happened against Armenia had a knock on effect in the Turkey game. The Armenia game was massive, it changed things more dramatically than anything else in the group. That Armenia result was our worst since the Gould years, I still can't believe it happened. I still can't believe we kept Page in a job after it either, we must be proper skint. Have to back him for now though, no other option. |
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Post by llyn on Oct 14, 2023 8:49:10 GMT
Had we beaten Armenia I don't think we'd have lost to Turkey, I really don't think we'd have lost to Turkey. The Armenia defeat was such a shocking and naive display that it led to Moore getting sent off and by the time we went to Turkey we'd gone completely into our shell, any cobwebs that we'd thought had been blown off from the World Cup were there for all to see. Everything that happened against Armenia had a knock on effect in the Turkey game. The Armenia game was massive, it changed things more dramatically than anything else in the group. That Armenia result was our worst since the Gould years, I still can't believe it happened. I still can't believe we kept Page in a job after it either, we must be proper skint. Have to back him for now though, no other option. The Armenia result and performance was awful and I admit this is a bit pedantic but for me the Georgia draw in 2016 (I think), with a better Welsh team, a few months after reaching the Euro semi-finals and a result which did cost us a WC play off was worse and possibly more damaging and inexplicable. |
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Post by underwood on Oct 14, 2023 9:43:36 GMT
That Armenia result was our worst since the Gould years, I still can't believe it happened. I still can't believe we kept Page in a job after it either, we must be proper skint. Have to back him for now though, no other option. The Armenia result and performance was awful and I admit this is a bit pedantic but for me the Georgia draw in 2016 (I think), with a better Welsh team, a few months after reaching the Euro semi-finals and a result which did cost us a WC play off was worse and possibly more damaging and inexplicable. [br I absolutely agree. A result which cost us a place at a World Cup that we would have done well at. |
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Post by janglingjack on Oct 14, 2023 10:09:51 GMT
Have to say proud of the england fans that booed henderson last night ,hypocritical cunts like him deserve everything they get,hope they never stop,how come he still get's picked anyway?
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 14, 2023 10:23:37 GMT
Have to say proud of the england fans that booed henderson last night ,hypocritical cunts like him deserve everything they get,hope they never stop,how come he still get's picked anyway? Why? Did he "eats, shoots & leaves"? |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 14, 2023 10:43:25 GMT
Back now to our Euro 2024 qualifier table in Group D...
Us beating Croatia, and Latvia beating Türkiye tomorrow night would make for a wild finish in November!
Latvia winning against the Turks is not inconceivable... they've drawn on their last two visits to Türkiye, and the hosts will hopefully be suffering from over-confidence and a post-Croatia hangover.
20/1 for a Latvia win, apparently. Could be worth a flutter.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 14, 2023 11:27:57 GMT
Have to say proud of the england fans that booed henderson last night ,hypocritical cunts like him deserve everything they get,hope they never stop,how come he still get's picked anyway? Well I hope we never reduce ourselves to booing our own player, irrespective what league they play in or how ‘hypocritical’ they are. They were booing Harry Maguire last time |
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Post by hal on Oct 14, 2023 14:50:27 GMT
Back now to our Euro 2024 qualifier table in Group D... Us beating Croatia, and Latvia beating Türkiye tomorrow night would make for a wild finish in November! Latvia winning against the Turks is not inconceivable... they've drawn on their last two visits to Türkiye, and the hosts will hopefully be suffering from over-confidence and a post-Croatia hangover. 20/1 for a Latvia win, apparently. Could be worth a flutter. I’ll give you 100/1, send me your £10 via PayPal 😂 |
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Post by underwood on Oct 14, 2023 14:59:32 GMT
Have to say proud of the england fans that booed henderson last night ,hypocritical cunts like him deserve everything they get,hope they never stop,how come he still get's picked anyway? Well I hope we never reduce ourselves to booing our own player, irrespective what league they play in or how ‘hypocritical’ they are. They were booing Harry Maguire last time Most of the people who latch onto the England football team are clueless morons. |
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 14, 2023 15:18:42 GMT
In the case of booing Hnederson I have to say I'm with it, not because I believe he shouldn't be getting selected (he shouldn't imo) but because he's a massive money loving hypocrite and I have no respect for people like that. At this point in his career, with all he's earned, he has secured generations of his family's future so having some integrity and standing for what you supposedly believe in should matter far more than another big pay packet.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 14, 2023 16:04:24 GMT
In the case of booing Hnederson I have to say I'm with it, not because I believe he shouldn't be getting selected (he shouldn't imo) but because he's a massive money loving hypocrite and I have no respect for people like that. At this point in his career, with all he's earned, he has secured generations of his family's future so having some integrity and standing for what you supposedly believe in should matter far more than another big pay packet. I’ve got loads of morals and integrity, but they’d all disappear for £700,000 a week. Well, a £700,000 one-off lump payment would make most of them disappear, let alone that amount every week. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 14, 2023 19:07:26 GMT
I imagine that Ukraine winning today is bad news for Italy.
Italy v Croatia in the play offs would be a very tasty affair.
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Post by iot on Oct 14, 2023 19:51:26 GMT
I imagine that Ukraine winning today is bad news for Italy. Italy v Croatia in the play offs would be a very tasty affair. We should be fine, Italy also winning tonight, meaning they're 3 points ahead of Ukraine with a game in hand |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 14, 2023 20:11:31 GMT
That Armenia result was our worst since the Gould years, I still can't believe it happened. I still can't believe we kept Page in a job after it either, we must be proper skint. Have to back him for now though, no other option. The Armenia result and performance was awful and I admit this is a bit pedantic but for me the Georgia draw in 2016 (I think), with a better Welsh team, a few months after reaching the Euro semi-finals and a result which did cost us a WC play off was worse and possibly more damaging and inexplicable. Agree with that, but I'm talking about taking how good our team is out of the equation. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2023 11:09:29 GMT
This Turkey result would have been a disaster even if we had beaten Armenia, so in a sense part of this is out of our hands If we'd beaten Armenia, a draw would be a good result this Sunday. As it is now we have to win. So that Armenia game was pretty damaging. We'd still have had to have won the final 2 I believe, so in a sense DWW isn't all that different from WWW in the last 3. Obviously beating Croatia is hard but so is drawing against them *Edit - Also we've never beaten a top team under Page, so eventually we have to do it if we're going to consider ourselves in and around that bracket of good tier 2 teams |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2023 11:11:41 GMT
I agree with iot that our chances of getting a win against Croatia are very small, especially as a draw would be enough for them. However, one thing in our favour is that there are only 3 days between matches for Croatia, and they have to travel. On top of that there is talk of Modric leaving Madrid, so perhaps, at 38, Father Time is finally catching up with him. We should certainly be fresher. I understand from the text coverage of the Turkey game that Turkey started with a high press. Does Page have the nous to implement a similar strategy? Certainly in James, Wilson, Roberts and Williams we have the players to press high. Press for 30 minutes, look to get our noses in front, then drop deep and look to hit on the counter. Moore and James are our talismen, and can pose a challenge to any side. With them in the side we have a chance. Modric no longer starts for Real, so yeah possibly not quite as influential as he once was A high press is the right move. Their forward line is depleted so less likely to hit us on the break. High press and stop their midfield dictating things, and we have a chance |
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 15, 2023 14:36:39 GMT
In the case of booing Hnederson I have to say I'm with it, not because I believe he shouldn't be getting selected (he shouldn't imo) but because he's a massive money loving hypocrite and I have no respect for people like that. At this point in his career, with all he's earned, he has secured generations of his family's future so having some integrity and standing for what you supposedly believe in should matter far more than another big pay packet. I’ve got loads of morals and integrity, but they’d all disappear for £700,000 a week. Well, a £700,000 one-off lump payment would make most of them disappear, let alone that amount every week. The difference here is that you're starting from the bottom and haven't made yourself vocal in public talking about supporting LGBTQ rights. Henderson is a multi millionaire already and he's said a lot of stuff that he's gone against and on top of that given a feeble apology rather than just be up front about what he's doing. That makes him an idiot in my book, not that he cares but he deserves every ounce of negativity that comes his way. |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 15, 2023 21:16:17 GMT
Turkey deserved to win. Let’s get that straight. No complaints really. Pretty mouthwatering trying to beat Croatia at home Mouthwatering indeed! Is that the Yugoslav monkey off our back? |
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Post by hooky on Oct 15, 2023 21:20:22 GMT
Well just need to beat Serbia
As well as Argentina and Netherlands
and we will be happy!
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Post by hooky on Oct 15, 2023 21:20:45 GMT
oh and Bosnia!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 0:00:08 GMT
Turkey deserved to win. Let’s get that straight. No complaints really. Pretty mouthwatering trying to beat Croatia at home Mouthwatering indeed! Is that the Yugoslav monkey off our back? I think so, I will no longer go into those games with a sense of dread anyway which is a positive shift! We've only lost 2 of our last 8 games against them now |
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Post by highbury06 on Oct 16, 2023 0:15:34 GMT
Mouthwatering indeed! Is that the Yugoslav monkey off our back? I think so, I will no longer go into those games with a sense of dread anyway which is a positive shift! We've only lost 2 of our last 8 games against them now Still, we need to beat Turkey to qualify. Turkey has got 16 in 7. We got 10 in 6. Croatia got 10 in 6 but they will likely defeat both Latvia and Armenia. |
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Post by bale-droed on Oct 16, 2023 1:46:31 GMT
If we lost our last 2 what does that mean playoff wise?
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 16, 2023 2:02:50 GMT
If we lost our last 2 what does that mean playoff wise? We’d still be in the playoffs |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 16, 2023 3:02:56 GMT
No guarantee Croatia beat Latvia or Armenia. They’ve fallen off a cliff! Cymru got a shot at this!!
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Post by vvm on Oct 16, 2023 8:02:17 GMT
I agree with iot that our chances of getting a win against Croatia are very small, especially as a draw would be enough for them. However, one thing in our favour is that there are only 3 days between matches for Croatia, and they have to travel. On top of that there is talk of Modric leaving Madrid, so perhaps, at 38, Father Time is finally catching up with him. We should certainly be fresher. I understand from the text coverage of the Turkey game that Turkey started with a high press. Does Page have the nous to implement a similar strategy? Certainly in James, Wilson, Roberts and Williams we have the players to press high. Press for 30 minutes, look to get our noses in front, then drop deep and look to hit on the counter. Moore and James are our talismen, and can pose a challenge to any side. With them in the side we have a chance. Modric no longer starts for Real, so yeah possibly not quite as influential as he once was A high press is the right move. Their forward line is depleted so less likely to hit us on the break. High press and stop their midfield dictating things, and we have a chance Good points made here, ended up being the perfect plan to beat them. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 8:32:29 GMT
Modric no longer starts for Real, so yeah possibly not quite as influential as he once was A high press is the right move. Their forward line is depleted so less likely to hit us on the break. High press and stop their midfield dictating things, and we have a chance Good points made here, ended up being the perfect plan to beat them. Yeah although we weren't going up that high in the press on most occasions. We were quite happy to drop back a bit into a medium press, let their CBs have it, and compete aggressively for it as soon as it came into our half. Then situationally we would press right up to their keeper and that worked quite effectively in stopping them The countering we showed on the break was excellent though! Really made their backline look tired and old |
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