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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 11:31:07 GMT
In other qualifying news Cristiano now up to 125 goals for Portugal!
Truly amazing really.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2023 16:09:20 GMT
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Post by eppingblue1 on Oct 16, 2023 16:19:28 GMT
I'd be surprised if the Netherlands end up in the play offs. Not so confident Italy wont end up in them though. We've earned a chance of not being in them and we need to take it. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 16:28:04 GMT
Italy's Euro win really looks like a one offer doesn't it.
Other than that they have missed 2 WCs and are struggling to even make a Euros automatically
They don't seem to be producing the abundance of star quality they once did - why is that?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 16:45:26 GMT
If you look at these next two games as a playoff then Armenia (A) & Turkey (H) is far nicer than a lot of the projected playoff paths. So we've got to absolutely go for it
It's nice to have a back up, but we shouldn't need it we should really go for two wins before then
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 16, 2023 16:48:38 GMT
I don't think that my liver could take a Prague and Amsterdam away combo. We will have a better understanding of whether that is likely after Greece v Netherlands tonight. But after tonight the Dutch have a nice run-in and Greece have France to play. More worrying is Italy, who have England and Ukraine to play. If we qualify automatically that will piss on somebody's chips as that will mean that Croatia drop down into the play-offs. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 16:52:18 GMT
Italy's Euro win really looks like a one offer doesn't it. Other than that they have missed 2 WCs and are struggling to even make a Euros automatically They don't seem to be producing the abundance of star quality they once did - why is that? Nah they do have plenty of talent, it's hard to say why they missed out on the 2 WCs either side of being crowned European champions, but it's probably an anomaly. I don't think they are actually struggling to make the Euros either, they have a game in hand on Ukraine, and they should still come through. 2nd place in that group is fair as they're not as good as England atm who have a brilliant team I also think back in the day they were famed for their amazing defenders, but the game has gone away from that old school individualist defending archetype. Nowadays it's about collective pressing and retaining possession - those factors are the new "star defenders". This is why Pep's teams concede the least goals and the least amount of chances So culturally speaking I'm not sure if they've caught up and found a new identity. It obviously all came together for them in 2020 but just as quickly it's all come apart. A couple of star players come through and I'm sure they'll be back competing at the top end of world football |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Oct 16, 2023 17:39:21 GMT
Italy's Euro win really looks like a one offer doesn't it. Other than that they have missed 2 WCs and are struggling to even make a Euros automatically They don't seem to be producing the abundance of star quality they once did - why is that? Nah they do have plenty of talent, it's hard to say why they missed out on the 2 WCs either side of being crowned European champions, but it's probably an anomaly. I don't think they are actually struggling to make the Euros either, they have a game in hand on Ukraine, and they should still come through. 2nd place in that group is fair as they're not as good as England atm who have a brilliant team I also think back in the day they were famed for their amazing defenders, but the game has gone away from that old school individualist defending archetype. Nowadays it's about collective pressing and retaining possession - those factors are the new "star defenders". This is why Pep's teams concede the least goals and the least amount of chances So culturally speaking I'm not sure if they've caught up and found a new identity. It obviously all came together for them in 2020 but just as quickly it's all come apart. A couple of star players come through and I'm sure they'll be back competing at the top end of world football Talking of Pep's style of defending, is it just me or does the £80m he spent on Gvardiol seem like a huge waste of money. Saw nothing from him last night or in their game against Turkey that would make me want to bring him into our back three. |
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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 20:38:45 GMT
Two Swedish fans shot dead in Brussels!!!
Nothing to say yet if they were the targets or just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 21:01:46 GMT
In other qualifying news Cristiano now up to 125 goals for Portugal! Truly amazing really. Now 127! |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2023 21:10:23 GMT
Netherlands beating Greece is good news, they will be hot favourites to qualify second behind France. One certain defeat avoided...
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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 21:16:27 GMT
So, for the people who know a lot more about this, if Croatia do miss out will they get a play off?
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Post by pclaude on Oct 16, 2023 21:18:35 GMT
So, for the people who know a lot more about this, if Croatia do miss out will they get a play off? Yes. Unlike us, their play off is nailed on. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2023 21:20:36 GMT
With the Netherlands winning tonight ours must be pretty nailed on too?
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 16, 2023 21:26:30 GMT
With the Netherlands winning tonight ours must be pretty nailed on too? We are pretty much guaranteed a play-off now, but would need other higher ranked sides such as Italy, Czech Republic etc to automatically qualify for us to have a home game. |
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Post by pclaude on Oct 16, 2023 21:37:42 GMT
With the Netherlands winning tonight ours must be pretty nailed on too? Likely, but Switzerland, Italy, Netherlands, Denmark, might still not qualify. Denmark should be ok. The Swiss group in particular has a lot of o/s matches. |
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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 21:42:31 GMT
Obviously no one gives a shit about the two Swedes shot in Brussels!!!
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 17, 2023 6:49:59 GMT
Obviously no one gives a shit about the two Swedes shot in Brussels!!! Terrible 😞 |
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Post by cymro on Oct 17, 2023 20:43:19 GMT
Denmark scraping past San Marino is a bit crazy.
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Post by manulike on Oct 17, 2023 23:12:58 GMT
It looks like Poland, Norway, Italy and Croatia battling it out in the play-offs ;-)
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 18, 2023 7:33:54 GMT
Denmark scraping past San Marino is a bit crazy. No easy games these days |
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Post by aberbeeg on Oct 18, 2023 8:53:35 GMT
Obviously no one gives a shit about the two Swedes shot in Brussels!!! Terrible 😞 Absolutely shocking. Apparently the guy had been kicked out of Sweden a while ago. Member if ISIS who have since claimed responsibility. World has gone mad sadly. |
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Post by welshrover on Oct 18, 2023 15:29:04 GMT
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Post by mrpicton79 on Oct 19, 2023 11:18:41 GMT
If the three of us are tied on 16, and we better Croatia in the H2H, but they better Turkey, and Turkey better us, then surely it would just go to overall GD, where presumably we'd miss out. No, because we would have 7 points in the head to head, Turkey 6 and Croatia 4. So I guess we only need to win all 3 remaining games... Can we confirm this is how it works if 3 teams all end up on the same points? Seems quite a convoluted way to separate the teams in such instances, you'd think overall goal difference would be the more logical thing to use (not that I'm complaining of course  ). |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Oct 19, 2023 12:23:15 GMT
Sorry to bang on about this but is it basically impossible that we can finish 2nd in the group now? Just seen the odds for us to win the group are a whopping 12/1, while we're only evens to finish in the top two! That's either a huge mistake by the bookies or we've got our calculations wrong.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 19, 2023 12:33:11 GMT
No, because we would have 7 points in the head to head, Turkey 6 and Croatia 4. So I guess we only need to win all 3 remaining games... Can we confirm this is how it works if 3 teams all end up on the same points? Seems quite a convoluted way to separate the teams in such instances, you'd think overall goal difference would be the more logical thing to use (not that I'm complaining of course ). If Turkey Wales and Croatia all end up on 16 pts Regulation A15.01 Pts amongst teams in question Wales 7 (2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss Turkey 6 (2 wins, 2 loss) Croatia 4 (1 win, 1 draw, 2 loss) |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Oct 19, 2023 12:41:30 GMT
Can we confirm this is how it works if 3 teams all end up on the same points? Seems quite a convoluted way to separate the teams in such instances, you'd think overall goal difference would be the more logical thing to use (not that I'm complaining of course ). If Turkey Wales and Croatia all end up on 16 pts Regulation A15.01 Pts amongst teams in question Wales 7 (2 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss Turkey 6 (2 wins, 2 loss) Croatia 4 (1 win, 1 draw, 2 loss) Weird then that the bookies have priced it like we're much more likely to finish 2nd than 1st. It's like they think something other than H2H record will be the deciding factor. |
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Post by cymro on Oct 19, 2023 12:43:50 GMT
Sorry to bang on about this but is it basically impossible that we can finish 2nd in the group now? Just seen the odds for us to win the group are a whopping 12/1, while we're only evens to finish in the top two! That's either a huge mistake by the bookies or we've got our calculations wrong. Wow you're right, just seen you can get 13/1 for Cymru to win the group. I'm having some of that. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Oct 19, 2023 12:51:21 GMT
Sorry to bang on about this but is it basically impossible that we can finish 2nd in the group now? Just seen the odds for us to win the group are a whopping 12/1, while we're only evens to finish in the top two! That's either a huge mistake by the bookies or we've got our calculations wrong. Wow you're right, just seen you can get 13/1 for Cymru to win the group. I'm having some of that. If you're feeling really brave you can arb the lines by also hitting Wales to NOT finish in the top two at near evens, given that it's almost impossible we finish 2nd. Not going to do it myself on the off chance Croatia drop points in their last two games. Still nervous that the books know something we don't though (and they probably do lol). |
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Post by iot on Oct 19, 2023 12:55:59 GMT
Wow you're right, just seen you can get 13/1 for Cymru to win the group. I'm having some of that. If you're feeling really brave you can arb the lines by also hitting Wales to NOT finish in the top two at near evens, given that it's almost impossible we finish 2nd. Not going to do it myself on the off chance Croatia drop points in their last two games. Still nervous that the books know something we don't though (and they probably do lol). So if it's impossible to come second, you could put a £100 on us not finishing in the top two, and a £100 on us winning the group, and the only two possible outcomes would be to get a return of £200 or a return of £1400 - is that what you're saying? |
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