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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2023 23:54:42 GMT
Magnificent The best bit was that professional foul he committed when they were on the break. This teen has an old head on his shoulders. How the hell is he not in Birmingham's first team? Was my favourite part too, very wise player for someone his age. Birmingham ought to start playing him or he'll get snapped up I'm sure! One thing to note is that he's got a high number of appearances in the Championship for his age, and I think that does show in the way he plays. He doesn't come across as "green" in any way |
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Post by morg on Oct 16, 2023 7:17:14 GMT
Superb. Be interesting to see how his career develops at Birmingham under Rooney (and Carl!). Could get forced out as money comes in but must be evident to a few clubs now that there's a player there.
Arrival in Welsh team as "overnight" starter reminds me of Kieffer's effect on Euro 20 qualification. I'm hoping it gives Page the confidence to blood some newcomers. If they take to international football, really does change our outlook and options immensely. Not so long ago that we were bemoaning Joe Allen's retirement.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 8:02:50 GMT
this is the player we've been looking for since allen started dropping off. Im not saying he's going to be the new allen but he clearly fits in midfield alongside amapdu much better than any other player we've looked at.
This is and has been an ongoing transition, we've lost and are now playing without the likes of Bale, Allen and Ramsey and to put a performance in last night like that really shows how well this is being managed. Of course we'll have our dips but the way players have been introduced is massive. Look at ampadu, they had the foresight to take him along to the euros in 16 and now he's an established solid player. Harry Wilson, 50th cap at 26 - this has been ongoing.
The transitional phase which everyone is referring to, is losing our 3 greatest ever players, we built a team around them. We had to change the way we play, now we play as a team rather than the sum of those 3.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 8:28:50 GMT
Remember those days where a lot of people genuinely thought we couldn't win a game without Bale & Ramsey? I think there was a stat where if we were missing 2/3 of Bale, Ramsey & Allen we hadn't won a game in yonks
Then we had that 1-0 away win against Ireland that changed everything, Wilson with the free kick goal. If you said to anyone that day that 5 years on we'd beat Croatia without all 3 of them not many would have believed it!
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 14:33:37 GMT
I think his emergence is very important and the key thing is his physicality. The key thing for me was than other than Ampadu, our midfield was a bit lightweight. He changes that
He is obviously a big lad and not sure if its true but I saw a stat claiming he was 6ft 3 inches! The fantastic thing is he is also athletic, seems to have great stamina (lasted the last two qualifiers for 90 mins, as well as 2 back to back games this last few days, and still looked strong towards the end despite not playing regularly for Birmingham), is decent at keeping the ball and has a longer range of passing than Allen did or any other contenders for that spot (other than Savage perhaps), while he can also score the odd goal - one thing Ampadu still has not achieved despite all his talent I believe.
Then best of all his decision making - to with zero ambiguity commit a clear foul against that breaking Croatian towards the end of the game - wow - wish he was there against the Netherlands when we threw away a point by allowing one of their players to drive straight up the middle.
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 14:38:05 GMT
One last thought
The great thing about players like Jordan excelling for us is that other young dual qualified youngsters and their agents can see how useful having an international profile can be for a player. If Jordan James continues not be selected by Birmingham then playing for Wales well in big games is surely going to market him to a wider audience of clubs. Its got to be win win for the player and the agent. Playing for England may be the jackpot financially if you are going to be selected in their squads for 5 years or so but a token one or two caps is not going to add much value to you over a career
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Post by ddirpytnop on Oct 16, 2023 15:03:17 GMT
One last thought The great thing about players like Jordan excelling for us is that other young dual qualified youngsters and their agents can see how useful having an international profile can be for a player. If Jordan James continues not be selected by Birmingham then playing for Wales well in big games is surely going to market him to a wider audience of clubs. Its got to be win win for the player and the agent. Playing for England may be the jackpot financially if you are going to be selected in their squads for 5 years or so but a token one or two caps is not going to add much value to you over a career I don't know whether or how much JJ agonised over his decision to throw in his lot with Cymru. But one thing's for sure - if he previously had any doubts, he woke up this morning thinking he'd definitely made the right decision. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 16, 2023 15:13:27 GMT
One last thought The great thing about players like Jordan excelling for us is that other young dual qualified youngsters and their agents can see how useful having an international profile can be for a player. If Jordan James continues not be selected by Birmingham then playing for Wales well in big games is surely going to market him to a wider audience of clubs. Its got to be win win for the player and the agent. Playing for England may be the jackpot financially if you are going to be selected in their squads for 5 years or so but a token one or two caps is not going to add much value to you over a career I'm told that his Welsh dad (Tony) is his agent, paid special advisor or similar. You would have thought that any decent agent nowadays would be realising that there are benefits in being a solid international player playing in big matches and tournaments over being a bit-part player for England? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 17:02:55 GMT
I think his emergence is very important and the key thing is his physicality. The key thing for me was than other than Ampadu, our midfield was a bit lightweight. He changes that He is obviously a big lad and not sure if its true but I saw a stat claiming he was 6ft 3 inches! The fantastic thing is he is also athletic, seems to have great stamina (lasted the last two qualifiers for 90 mins, as well as 2 back to back games this last few days, and still looked strong towards the end despite not playing regularly for Birmingham), is decent at keeping the ball and has a longer range of passing than Allen did or any other contenders for that spot (other than Savage perhaps), while he can also score the odd goal - one thing Ampadu still has not achieved despite all his talent I believe. Then best of all his decision making - to with zero ambiguity commit a clear foul against that breaking Croatian towards the end of the game - wow - wish he was there against the Netherlands when we threw away a point by allowing one of their players to drive straight up the middle. It was Matt Smith who had the opportunity to do this and failed to do so, and I think that's a good example of showing why JJ is already offering more at this level than Smith ever will manage. Takes a wise head to make those decisions and JJ has that in abundance |
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Post by surge on Oct 16, 2023 17:19:26 GMT
One last thought The great thing about players like Jordan excelling for us is that other young dual qualified youngsters and their agents can see how useful having an international profile can be for a player. If Jordan James continues not be selected by Birmingham then playing for Wales well in big games is surely going to market him to a wider audience of clubs. Its got to be win win for the player and the agent. Playing for England may be the jackpot financially if you are going to be selected in their squads for 5 years or so but a token one or two caps is not going to add much value to you over a career I don't know whether or how much JJ agonised over his decision to throw in his lot with Cymru. But one thing's for sure - if he previously had any doubts, he woke up this morning thinking he'd definitely made the right decision. Getting to tournaments, getting opportunities otherwise missed out and playing in a good environment are huge factors when sense of nationality isn't as strong. Last night was huge. We came together as a squad, as a fanbase, and James looked good against Modric, Kocovic and co. P.s. not suggesting in any way James is one such players who doesn't have strong sense of nationality. Just that there will be players falling into that group. |
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Oct 16, 2023 19:36:40 GMT
Birmingham could be retiring James' number at the end of this season.😉
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Post by welshrover on Oct 16, 2023 19:45:03 GMT
Hopefully the players being courted by England will look at JJ and see what can be achieved sticking with Wales.
He could well be another Ampadu amassing a large number of caps with us or a Karl Jenkinson / Ryan Shawcross (to name but two) with one England cap.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 17, 2023 8:36:23 GMT
That foul. I'm not sure how much of it was cynicism and how much of it was fatigue. Glad he did it though.
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Post by melynwy on Oct 17, 2023 9:58:55 GMT
That foul. I'm not sure how much of it was cynicism and how much of it was fatigue. Glad he did it though. Neithier. It was professionalism and intelligence. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 17, 2023 10:09:21 GMT
It got a massive cheer from the crowd. Cockle warming stuff :-)
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Post by cymro on Oct 17, 2023 10:30:42 GMT
I was so proud when he made that foul I was screaming for it to happen and when he did I knew we were going to win. Learnt our lessons from that Dutch game  every team does it and sometimes you have to to grind out a win. |
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Post by underwood on Oct 17, 2023 11:16:10 GMT
For a player in his position on the pitch, an old head on young shoulders is absolutely invaluable. He’s such an asset.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 17, 2023 11:48:38 GMT
That foul. I'm not sure how much of it was cynicism and how much of it was fatigue. Glad he did it though. Neithier. It was professionalism and intelligence. Yeah, he was as fresh as a daisy. |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 18, 2023 11:37:59 GMT
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 22, 2023 15:22:35 GMT
Still can't get in that Birmingham City eleven, they play 4-3-3 so I kind of get it but if I was him I'd be looking for a loan move away, a player of this calibre needs to be playing, hopefully he'll get a chance and take it.
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 22, 2023 15:40:43 GMT
Still can't get in that Birmingham City eleven, they play 4-3-3 so I kind of get it but if I was him I'd be looking for a loan move away, a player of this calibre needs to be playing, hopefully he'll get a chance and take it. Leeds should have gone for him when they shopping for Ampadu partners. |
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Post by melynwy on Oct 22, 2023 15:41:27 GMT
Neithier. It was professionalism and intelligence. Yeah, he was as fresh as a daisy. So when a player gets tired they also get unprofessional and stupid? He might well have been tired, but it had nothing to do with the foul. It was a great play. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 22, 2023 16:09:52 GMT
Yeah, he was as fresh as a daisy. So when a player gets tired they also get unprofessional and stupid? He might well have been tired, but it had nothing to do with the foul. It was a great play. Thanks for the clarification Jordan. |
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Post by melynwy on Oct 22, 2023 16:38:15 GMT
So when a player gets tired they also get unprofessional and stupid? He might well have been tired, but it had nothing to do with the foul. It was a great play. Thanks for the clarification Jordan. Ok, I fear I’ve missed something here. Why the aggression? Do you genuinely not feel it was a deliberate (and effective) professional foul designed to break their attack? And if so, why are you being so snide in your attitude in discussing it? I think most of us here feel it was a very well judged decision by him. If you disagree, why not just have a conversation about it? It is a place to discuss football after all. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 22, 2023 16:41:26 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Jordan. Ok, I fear I’ve missed something here. Why the aggression? Do you genuinely not feel it was a deliberate (and effective) professional foul designed to break their attack? And if so, why are you being so snide in your attitude in discussing it? I think most of us here feel it was a very well judged decision by him. If you disagree, why not just have a conversation about it? It is a place to discuss football after all. I'm being sarcastic but not aggressive. I think fatigue, leading to an error, might have played a part in the foul. You're quite certain it was deliberate and professional. Not much to discuss, is there? |
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Post by zserty on Oct 23, 2023 15:47:25 GMT
Ok, I fear I’ve missed something here. Why the aggression? Do you genuinely not feel it was a deliberate (and effective) professional foul designed to break their attack? And if so, why are you being so snide in your attitude in discussing it? I think most of us here feel it was a very well judged decision by him. If you disagree, why not just have a conversation about it? It is a place to discuss football after all. I'm being sarcastic but not aggressive. I think fatigue, leading to an error, might have played a part in the foul. You're quite certain it was deliberate and professional. Not much to discuss, is there? I'd like to think it was a deliberate foul to stop a counter, which is common but something we don't do enough of in my opinion. Can't believe he isnt getting a look in at Birmingham. The boy needs games now. |
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 23, 2023 23:29:14 GMT
Birmingham aren't really set up to accommodate Jordan at the minute which is a shame but injuries, suspensions and games coming thick and fast in the Championship should see him get a chance at some point soon, you'd hope.
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Post by steveh on Oct 25, 2023 22:19:56 GMT
With 3 weeks to the next international break I'm quite happy for him and a few others to be having limited game time, we can't afford injuries to any key players at this point.
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Post by Belle Vue on Oct 26, 2023 4:26:06 GMT
Average
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Post by welshrover on Oct 26, 2023 8:05:01 GMT
Perhaps you could give him some coaching! |
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every team does it and sometimes you have to to grind out a win. 
