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Post by Belle Vue on Oct 26, 2023 8:10:59 GMT
Good idea 🤣
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Post by melynwy on Oct 26, 2023 9:08:16 GMT
Out of interest, what level do you consider 'average'? An average of all professional footballers, an average of Championship players, an average of everyone who ever kicked a ball? Because depending on your criteria, 'average' could be a very good player for Wales. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 26, 2023 15:05:26 GMT
You'd be a better midfielder than him wouldn't you? I reckon you'd make Modric look like a right cart horse too |
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Post by underwood on Oct 28, 2023 11:47:28 GMT
Starts today. Rooney the visionary.
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 28, 2023 13:08:25 GMT
He's kept hi on too despite making changes, promising
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 28, 2023 13:10:39 GMT
Seems to playing as a 10.
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Post by hooky on Nov 4, 2023 18:54:01 GMT
Hope Rooney keeps his job!
Praised Jordan after his Wales performance vs. Croatia and started him in the last 2 matches. Jordan came off after an hour when Birmingham were leading high flying Ipswich 2-0 but they conceded 2 goals following his departure
Even Mepham started today but was hooked at half time. Brooks not used again and Moore not even on the bench
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 11, 2023 13:06:39 GMT
Starts again, this time in a more deeper role.
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Post by hooky on Nov 11, 2023 13:12:46 GMT
Hope they get results and Rooney survives!
Not sure that Rooney is a decent manager but I like how he actually watched the Wales vs Croatia match and referenced it. At least is shows he is following the capabilities of his young players unlike many managers we could reference
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Post by underwood on Nov 11, 2023 13:51:03 GMT
Ordinarily I would want Rooney to fail miserably & Birmingham along with him, but his appointment could turn out to be most timely for us.
Jordan should be 100% match fit now.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Nov 11, 2023 14:12:01 GMT
Took a bit of a knock, subbed soon after, although I think it was tactical.
Don't think rooney will last long, shocking decision by brum to appoint him when they were doing so well.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 22, 2023 19:16:15 GMT
How good has Jordan been? I mean that first half performance yesterday, just Wow! I've been wondering what other Welsh players have made such an immediate impact in their international careers. Ampadu, James and Rodon spring to mind. Well as all of those played in their first games in a Cymru shirt none played against the calibre of opposition that Jordan has faced. And he's now had two such performances within a month.
What impresses me the most is Jordan's versatility. As well as his strength in the tackle, his reading of the game in stepping in and making interceptions, his distribution was excellent, especially his long passes to feet. He also had the awareness to switch play when the opportunity arose. It was his slide rule pass that should have yielded the first of Johnson's stonewall penalties. I also liked the way that when there was space in front of him he drove into it without hesitation.
With young players the temptation is to talk about promise and how they will develop going forwards. There's every chance that he will improve, but quite frankly I don't care whether he does or doesn't. The reality is that right now he is already performing at a superb level for us. Well as Ampadu played against Croatia and Turkey, James was even better (also against Armenia, where Ampadu was poor). I think we have a superb number 6 for years to come and a worthy successor to Joe Allen.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if Premier League clubs or the likes of Dortmund come sniffing in January. Those levels of performance won't have gone unnoticed.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Nov 22, 2023 19:19:26 GMT
He was great against Croatia but I really thought he stepped it up again last night. Exciting to think him and Ampadu will provide our midfield for the next decade or more.
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Post by iot on Nov 22, 2023 20:20:26 GMT
How good has Jordan been? I mean that first half performance yesterday, just Wow! I've been wondering what other Welsh players have made such an immediate impact in their international careers. Ampadu, James and Rodon spring to mind. Well as all of those played in their first games in a Cymru shirt none played against the calibre of opposition that Jordan has faced. And he's now had two such performances within a month. What impresses me the most is Jordan's versatility. As well as his strength in the tackle, his reading of the game in stepping in and making interceptions, his distribution was excellent, especially his long passes to feet. He also had the awareness to switch play when the opportunity arose. It was his slide rule pass that should have yielded the first of Johnson's stonewall penalties. I also liked the way that when there was space in front of him he drove into it without hesitation. With young players the temptation is to talk about promise and how they will develop going forwards. There's every chance that he will improve, but quite frankly I don't care whether he does or doesn't. The reality is that right now he is already performing at a superb level for us. Well as Ampadu played against Croatia and Turkey, James was even better (also against Armenia, where Ampadu was poor). I think we have a superb number 6 for years to come and a worthy successor to Joe Allen. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Premier League clubs or the likes of Dortmund come sniffing in January. Those levels of performance won't have gone unnoticed. Without wishing to put a downer on things, I think the form that players show at club level is a much more accurate indication of their level than international games. I thought he was brilliant last night and against Croatia and been really good overall in his caps to date (although I do take a slightly different view on his performances against the likes of Armenia and Latvia). However, we've seen this plenty of times before. The likes of Neco and Rodon really burst onto the scene, before seeing dips in their international performances before finding their feet again. Woodburn was brilliant in his first couple of games, even though he's never shown anything at club level. Paradoxically, I think there's stronger evidence to suggest that Johnson will be a top player for us in the longer term because of the level of performances put in at club level, which is at a much higher level and over a much larger sample of games. I've seen a few Brummy fans tweeting that they haven't seen those types of performances from James in a Birmingham shirt yet, so I would just caution that we're still looking at a really small sample of games and I'm not as confident as others that he's going to the top, or even capable of sustaining these performances (he may do a Woodburn). |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 22, 2023 21:24:42 GMT
How good has Jordan been? I mean that first half performance yesterday, just Wow! I've been wondering what other Welsh players have made such an immediate impact in their international careers. Ampadu, James and Rodon spring to mind. Well as all of those played in their first games in a Cymru shirt none played against the calibre of opposition that Jordan has faced. And he's now had two such performances within a month. What impresses me the most is Jordan's versatility. As well as his strength in the tackle, his reading of the game in stepping in and making interceptions, his distribution was excellent, especially his long passes to feet. He also had the awareness to switch play when the opportunity arose. It was his slide rule pass that should have yielded the first of Johnson's stonewall penalties. I also liked the way that when there was space in front of him he drove into it without hesitation. With young players the temptation is to talk about promise and how they will develop going forwards. There's every chance that he will improve, but quite frankly I don't care whether he does or doesn't. The reality is that right now he is already performing at a superb level for us. Well as Ampadu played against Croatia and Turkey, James was even better (also against Armenia, where Ampadu was poor). I think we have a superb number 6 for years to come and a worthy successor to Joe Allen. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Premier League clubs or the likes of Dortmund come sniffing in January. Those levels of performance won't have gone unnoticed. Without wishing to put a downer on things, I think the form that players show at club level is a much more accurate indication of their level than international games. I thought he was brilliant last night and against Croatia and been really good overall in his caps to date (although I do take a slightly different view on his performances against the likes of Armenia and Latvia). However, we've seen this plenty of times before. The likes of Neco and Rodon really burst onto the scene, before seeing dips in their international performances before finding their feet again. Woodburn was brilliant in his first couple of games, even though he's never shown anything at club level. Paradoxically, I think there's stronger evidence to suggest that Johnson will be a top player for us in the longer term because of the level of performances put in at club level, which is at a much higher level and over a much larger sample of games. I've seen a few Brummy fans tweeting that they haven't seen those types of performances from James in a Birmingham shirt yet, so I would just caution that we're still looking at a really small sample of games and I'm not as confident as others that he's going to the top, or even capable of sustaining these performances (he may do a Woodburn). You make a number of very good points, but I think there's good reasons to believe you're skepticism is misplaced in James' case. Woodburn of course had to contend with a serious injury. But quite apart from that the impact he made for us showed that he had excellent technique and finishing ability, but you could see limitations in his game, in particular a lack of pace and physicality. I still haven't given up on Woodburn, because you don't lose skill, but fate hasn't been kind on him. The reason for believing James is the real deal is that there are so many good elements to his game: physicality, excellent distribution, awareness and reading of the game. He's no one trick pony. Bowyer was saying very positive things about James's future two years ago. What James's performances at international level have already demonstrated is that he has a very high ceiling. As long as he stays clear of injuries I'm confident that he will deliver for Cymru at least at his current level for years to come. That's more than good enough. The other thing that may be in his favour is that he will get plenty of game time at Birmingham. Woodburn wasn't helped to progress by lots of loan moves, Rodon's move to Spurs didn't help his development, and Ampadu's repeated loan moves to relegation threatened sides probably hasn't helped him. James needs to think carefully about his next move. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 22, 2023 23:12:12 GMT
As far as Johnson is concerned the fact he's gone to a top club for megabucks is clear evidence of his quality. His pace, skill, crossing ability and his finishing are all top drawer already. The two bif deficits in his game are his hold up play (in evidence last night), and his workrate out of possession. I think Spurs will be a good move for him, because if he wants to start regularly then he will have to improve his out of possession workrate.
If he's got the desire to be a top pro then this shouldn't be beyond him. So, do I think Johnson will be a top pro for us and at club level, yes, very probably.
Do I think Jordan James will be a top performer for us for years to come, yes, very probably.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Nov 22, 2023 23:42:50 GMT
I didn't see a lack of workrate from Johnson last night, in or out of possession. And I specifically watched for it based on comments here.
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Post by johnoster on Nov 23, 2023 14:47:14 GMT
I think one of the most important qualities that turns a young talent into a good player, is consistency. James has played really well in some games, been ok in others.
Playing regularly for Birmingham well help him develop, but the Brum fans will see lesser performances from his more often (while he's young).
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 23, 2023 15:44:35 GMT
I didn't see a lack of workrate from Johnson last night, in or out of possession. And I specifically watched for it based on comments here. I think it was an improved performance from him in that regard, but there were still instances where he held back when he could have pressed. Hopefully Spurs will instill healthy new habits. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 23, 2023 15:48:47 GMT
I think one of the most important qualities that turns a young talent into a good player, is consistency. James has played really well in some games, been ok in others. Playing regularly for Birmingham well help him develop, but the Brum fans will see lesser performances from his more often (while he's young). I think he's been better than OK in all games apart from the Armenia games, where he was still one of our better players. I'm sure that it won't be all plain sailing for him, it rarely is, but the fact that he's showing so many strengths to his game already augurs very well. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Nov 24, 2023 1:59:53 GMT
Tbh James has looked dogshit when I've watched him for Birmingham(one wonderstrike aside), but if he can deliver in international football that's what matters for us. Not like Morrell ever offered more
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 24, 2023 10:35:01 GMT
Reading about his Birmingham career it's clear that big things were expected of him as a 17 year old. Lee Bowyer in particular bigger him up. Things seemed to have plateaud for him at Birmingham since then, partly because Eustace didn'tseemto know how best to use him. However, on the back of his showings for us I expect improved form from him at club level.
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 25, 2023 16:44:40 GMT
Goal from Jordan
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 25, 2023 18:49:02 GMT
Some player
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Post by hooky on Nov 25, 2023 20:38:14 GMT
He's got a footballing brain and composure. Did not hit it cleanly first time but to not panic and take it subtly around the keeper was quality.
We have a defensive midfielder who is very physical, has football intelligence, has a great passing range, can drive forward (needs and will do it more frequently going forward), but he can also score the odd goal and has composure.
If he avoids injury he is going to be so important for us
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Post by iantov on Nov 26, 2023 4:38:48 GMT
I was a bit surprised when I saw that he was on the bench but what an impact!
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Post by dai on Dec 1, 2023 21:29:18 GMT
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 2, 2023 12:44:48 GMT
One of the worst things Jordan James could do to his career right now is become the next Nick Powell and be 14th choice in central midfield at Old Trafford. |
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Post by manulike on Dec 8, 2023 19:07:45 GMT
Jordan Starting tonight. Dasilva on the bench for Coventry
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 8, 2023 22:05:57 GMT
Played the full 90 and booked as Birmingham continue to be hell bent on getting relegated under Wayne Rooney.
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