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Post by marsvolta on Mar 19, 2022 11:26:20 GMT
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Post by hooky on Mar 19, 2022 11:44:44 GMT
England maybe getting paranoid about losing young players to the likes of us.
Its pathetic if true given their resources.
With all due respect, none of our Anglos would have been a regular fixture in England's team. Sure a few would have maybe got a couple of caps but that is it. We don't have a Grealish or Rice, but perhaps reflecting on how they could have lost those two explains why they seem more determined to get their hands on any youngster with a bit of potential. They are silly as there are hundreds of decent players and they can only pick 11. So they may end up disrupting a youngster's development
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Post by paj on Mar 19, 2022 11:50:06 GMT
First Tom hill going to Ireland and now James to England. Not been a great week.
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Post by iot on Mar 19, 2022 12:12:12 GMT
The criticism of Bodin is way over the top in my opinion. It's just too easy to pick on one guy and lay all the blame at him when we know little of the facts and motivations of each party. It doesn't sit comfortable at all. I agree with a lot of the stuff said, that there's probably an issue with a lack of fast-tracking and sticking with some players when they're unlikely to be good enough, but some of the reaction has been very hyperbolic.
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 19, 2022 12:41:24 GMT
So is James overhyped shite now then or what?
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 19, 2022 12:41:45 GMT
Why don't we have U20 like Ireland and England? we did in 2017 for a invite to the Toulon Tournament - Rob Page in charge then |
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Post by quetzal on Mar 19, 2022 13:35:25 GMT
Born in Hereford. Wouldn’t be too hard on Bodin. Kev Sheedy and Rob Jones are the ones that destroy me.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 19, 2022 15:03:03 GMT
So is James overhyped shite now then or what? No , we usually reserve that for the players who do end up playing for us. |
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Post by robin1864 on Mar 19, 2022 15:03:58 GMT
So is James overhyped shite now then or what? No , we usually reserve that for the players who do end up playing for us. Just regular shite now he's English then? |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 19, 2022 18:02:20 GMT
The way I look at it, if we’re going to go down the route of dual national players then we’ve got to adopt a ‘you win some,you lose some’ attitude, otherwise we’ll only end up bitter at the ones we’ve lost rather than celebrate the ones we’ve gained.
So far, In recent times, the ones we’ve ‘lost’ haven’t turned out to be too drastic (in fact I can’t think of any that have gone on to play regularly for England or anyone else)
We haven’t had a ‘Grealish’ or a ‘Rice’ situation.
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Post by welwyn on Mar 20, 2022 8:46:56 GMT
I do think people have gone over the top on James purely because he has played a few games in an injury crisis. If he had stayed in the team when the players came back then great but it does appear like he has slowly made his way out of the squad in the last month as players came back. A shame as he was getting really good reviews from bluenoses.
Still think a guy that has played a load of Championship game should be in u21's over Elliott Thorpe though.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2022 12:03:18 GMT
I do think people have gone over the top on James purely because he has played a few games in an injury crisis. If he had stayed in the team when the players came back then great but it does appear like he has slowly made his way out of the squad in the last month as players came back. A shame as he was getting really good reviews from bluenoses. Still think a guy that has played a load of Championship game should be in u21's over Elliott Thorpe though. I didn't realise it was a result of an injury crisis tbf, I thought he had broken through |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 20, 2022 12:26:38 GMT
I do think people have gone over the top on James purely because he has played a few games in an injury crisis. If he had stayed in the team when the players came back then great but it does appear like he has slowly made his way out of the squad in the last month as players came back. A shame as he was getting really good reviews from bluenoses. Still think a guy that has played a load of Championship game should be in u21's over Elliott Thorpe though. I didn't realise it was a result of an injury crisis tbf, I thought he had broken through I thought it was initially but then he kept his place? |
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Post by welwyn on Mar 21, 2022 8:29:04 GMT
He has definitely dropped out over the course of the last month.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 26, 2022 11:03:01 GMT
Came on in the 90th minute as a sub in an experimental squad. If he has chosen this over us then he’s been very badly advised.
Maybe we should have invited him as a spectator on Thursday.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 26, 2022 17:34:13 GMT
Came on in the 90th minute as a sub in an experimental squad. If he has chosen this over us then he’s been very badly advised. Maybe we should have invited him as a spectator on Thursday. He’s made his bed, as they say…. Although I do hope he sees the light. He’s clearly a talent and it’d be remiss of us not to further test his loyalty with a senior call-up for the NL games imo. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2022 21:08:44 GMT
Came on in the 90th minute as a sub in an experimental squad. If he has chosen this over us then he’s been very badly advised. Maybe we should have invited him as a spectator on Thursday. Not exactly a resounding endorsement in his talent from England. "You're not good enough for our U21s either, and you can play a couple of minutes I guess" |
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Post by dai on Mar 28, 2022 13:46:26 GMT
Found out via twitter today that his dad has been retweeting England's posts about JJ joining their u20's squad. Safe to say we've lost this one.
If he's good enough for Eng u20, he should have been in Wales' u20. He may have chosen Eng anyway, but what the hell is Bodin and co playing at.
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Post by iot on Mar 28, 2022 14:10:19 GMT
Found out via twitter today that his dad has been retweeting England's posts about JJ joining their u20's squad. Safe to say we've lost this one. If he's good enough for Eng u20, he should have been in Wales' u20. He may have chosen Eng anyway, but what the hell is Bodin and co playing at. The player himself has been posting a lot about it as well and seems to have been a very proud moment for him, whilst I don't think he made a lot of fuss about his callups to our squad. You certainly get the impression that England is where his heart is, but it's unlikely he'll be good enough for england so he might come back to us when that realisation sinks in. Not a great position for us to be in, but beggars can't be choosers, and when we're talking about young midfield prospects, we certainly fit into the 'beggars' category! |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 28, 2022 14:28:00 GMT
Found out via twitter today that his dad has been retweeting England's posts about JJ joining their u20's squad. Safe to say we've lost this one. If he's good enough for Eng u20, he should have been in Wales' u20. He may have chosen Eng anyway, but what the hell is Bodin and co playing at. The player himself has been posting a lot about it as well and seems to have been a very proud moment for him, whilst I don't think he made a lot of fuss about his callups to our squad. You certainly get the impression that England is where his heart is, but it's unlikely he'll be good enough for england so he might come back to us when that realisation sinks in. Not a great position for us to be in, but beggars can't be choosers, and when we're talking about young midfield prospects, we certainly fit into the 'beggars' category! It’s such a weird one tbh. The England call up came out of the blue. It was only a few weeks back that he was liking posts about calling him up to our senior squad. Throughout his socials he also refered to Cymru as ‘my country’. It’s all very strange. I think he’s lost too. Has liked a post suggesting he’ll be ‘good enough’ for England. Shame. Gives another player an opportunity to step up. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 28, 2022 14:38:09 GMT
The player himself has been posting a lot about it as well and seems to have been a very proud moment for him, whilst I don't think he made a lot of fuss about his callups to our squad. You certainly get the impression that England is where his heart is, but it's unlikely he'll be good enough for england so he might come back to us when that realisation sinks in. Not a great position for us to be in, but beggars can't be choosers, and when we're talking about young midfield prospects, we certainly fit into the 'beggars' category! It’s such a weird one tbh. The England call up came out of the blue. It was only a few weeks back that he was liking posts about calling him up to our senior squad. Throughout his socials he also refered to Cymru as ‘my country’. It’s all very strange. I think he’s lost too. Has liked a post suggesting he’ll be ‘good enough’ for England. Shame. Gives another player an opportunity to step up. It was weird that we called him up to our u18s tbh. Kid's playing Championship football, I'm not saying we should have called him up to the seniors but it isn't outlandish to suggest he'd maybe be expecting to be called up to a level higher than the u18s. For me it was a natural progression to the u21s having played Championship football, weird that he wasn't selected for it |
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Post by dai on Mar 28, 2022 14:55:14 GMT
Actually digging back through his dad's twitter account, there's a few Welsh based tweets, this when the Euro's was on. I've also seen a tweet on his dad's account where he refers to Wales as 'home' when talking about living in Hereford.
What the hell's happened then?
I'm wondering if he's been tapped up by England, and made a decision based on the fact he can't get into a seriously shite Welsh u20's squad. I don't like to blame Bodin and the coaches for this one, as it may be a genuine change of heart, but a country our size can't afford to lose these sort of players. Get rid of them now.
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 28, 2022 15:01:03 GMT
It’s such a weird one tbh. The England call up came out of the blue. It was only a few weeks back that he was liking posts about calling him up to our senior squad. Throughout his socials he also refered to Cymru as ‘my country’. It’s all very strange. I think he’s lost too. Has liked a post suggesting he’ll be ‘good enough’ for England. Shame. Gives another player an opportunity to step up. It was weird that we called him up to our u18s tbh. Kid's playing Championship football, I'm not saying we should have called him up to the seniors but it isn't outlandish to suggest he'd maybe be expecting to be called up to a level higher than the u18s. For me it was a natural progression to the u21s having played Championship football, weird that he wasn't selected for it Agreed. But I guess in the long run if he is/was deemed a flight risk then atleast by getting an u18 cap and then going to England he wouldn’t have used his ‘switch’. If he were to have played for our u21s in these fixtures then deserted then he’d have used his switch as he’d have played in qualifiers. Similar to how Terry Taylor’s tied to us. Similarly, that may be why England called him up to their u20s, rather than their u19s. As u20s, like u18s, aren’t classed as binding in a capping sense. Happy to stand corrected though. Having said that, I agree that Bodin should go. I don’t expect great results at youth level, but the results we’ve had under him e.g. Moldova, coupled with the risks he’s taking with omissions is nothing short of a disgrace. |
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Post by twofootedtackle on Mar 28, 2022 15:08:50 GMT
Another damning indictment of Paul Bodin’s selection policy.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 28, 2022 15:10:53 GMT
Actually digging back through his dad's twitter account, there's a few Welsh based tweets, this when the Euro's was on. I've also seen a tweet on his dad's account where he refers to Wales as 'home' when talking about living in Hereford. What the hell's happened then? I'm wondering if he's been tapped up by England, and made a decision based on the fact he can't get into a seriously shite Welsh u20's squad. I don't like to blame Bodin and the coaches for this one, as it may be a genuine change of heart, but a country our size can't afford to lose these sort of players. Get rid of them now. There was an article somewhere on here with them talking to his dad who seemed pretty set on Wales |
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Post by dai on Mar 28, 2022 15:18:24 GMT
It was weird that we called him up to our u18s tbh. Kid's playing Championship football, I'm not saying we should have called him up to the seniors but it isn't outlandish to suggest he'd maybe be expecting to be called up to a level higher than the u18s. For me it was a natural progression to the u21s having played Championship football, weird that he wasn't selected for it Agreed. But I guess in the long run if he is/was deemed a flight risk then atleast by getting an u18 cap and then going to England he wouldn’t have used his ‘switch’. If he were to have played for our u21s in these fixtures then deserted then he’d have used his switch as he’d have played in qualifiers. Similar to how Terry Taylor’s tied to us. Similarly, that may be why England called him up to their u20s, rather than their u19s. As u20s, like u18s, aren’t classed as binding in a capping sense. Happy to stand corrected though. Having said that, I agree that Bodin should go. I don’t expect great results at youth level, but the results we’ve had under him e.g. Moldova, coupled with the risks he’s taking with omissions is nothing short of a disgrace. Sorry, dull question as I have only just realised the age differences in question here. What's the difference between u20, u18, u16 football and u21, u19 and u17? |
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Post by iot on Mar 28, 2022 15:32:54 GMT
The player himself has been posting a lot about it as well and seems to have been a very proud moment for him, whilst I don't think he made a lot of fuss about his callups to our squad. You certainly get the impression that England is where his heart is, but it's unlikely he'll be good enough for england so he might come back to us when that realisation sinks in. Not a great position for us to be in, but beggars can't be choosers, and when we're talking about young midfield prospects, we certainly fit into the 'beggars' category! It’s such a weird one tbh. The England call up came out of the blue. It was only a few weeks back that he was liking posts about calling him up to our senior squad. Throughout his socials he also refered to Cymru as ‘my country’. It’s all very strange. I think he’s lost too. Has liked a post suggesting he’ll be ‘good enough’ for England. Shame. Gives another player an opportunity to step up. Ah right I didn't know that. I've done a quick bit of digging in the past but couldn't see anything, might not be lost after all then if there is at least some level of affinity there. |
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Mar 28, 2022 15:34:06 GMT
Agreed. But I guess in the long run if he is/was deemed a flight risk then atleast by getting an u18 cap and then going to England he wouldn’t have used his ‘switch’. If he were to have played for our u21s in these fixtures then deserted then he’d have used his switch as he’d have played in qualifiers. Similar to how Terry Taylor’s tied to us. Similarly, that may be why England called him up to their u20s, rather than their u19s. As u20s, like u18s, aren’t classed as binding in a capping sense. Happy to stand corrected though. Having said that, I agree that Bodin should go. I don’t expect great results at youth level, but the results we’ve had under him e.g. Moldova, coupled with the risks he’s taking with omissions is nothing short of a disgrace. Sorry, dull question as I have only just realised the age differences in question here. What's the difference between u20, u18, u16 football and u21, u19 and u17? My understanding is - u17s, u19s and u21s in UEFA qualifiers are binding and would leave that player with only one switch left. Terry Taylor playing for Scotland u17s in a qualifier before defecting back to us (using his switch in the process) U16 and below, u18 and u20s - can play for as many countries as you like as there aren’t qualifiers for these age-groups. E.g, Patrick Bamford playing for Ireland u18s, then England u21s in a qualifier but remaining eligible for Ireland (until his recent England cap). There is an u20 World Cup though so not too sure if players who play in that tournament are bound as the players in the age groups above. Could be wrong though! |
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Post by hooky on Mar 28, 2022 16:58:05 GMT
Actually digging back through his dad's twitter account, there's a few Welsh based tweets, this when the Euro's was on. I've also seen a tweet on his dad's account where he refers to Wales as 'home' when talking about living in Hereford. What the hell's happened then? I'm wondering if he's been tapped up by England, and made a decision based on the fact he can't get into a seriously shite Welsh u20's squad. I don't like to blame Bodin and the coaches for this one, as it may be a genuine change of heart, but a country our size can't afford to lose these sort of players. Get rid of them now. That picture just makes me so pissed off with Bodin I am as passionate a Welsh supporter but my 13 year old son born and raised in Oxford would never put a Welsh shirt on. If I am wrong then sorry but we really need to get shot of Bodin ASAP. I have never seen a coach at U21 level fail to move up players of talent. To make things worse the team has delivered very bad results on his watch. We have lost one Liverpool prospect to Ireland, we have maybe lost James to England and Chem Campbell who is almost 20 appears to be being overlooked! Are we waiting until Harris goes to England too? Our big selling point is we can accelerate your development! Look at the likes of Ampadu Bodin is having a negative not a positive effect on Welsh football from what I see. Please Welsh FA if there is any validity in what I am assuming then please shift things on! We just can't afford this laziness or incompitence. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 28, 2022 17:38:45 GMT
Actually digging back through his dad's twitter account, there's a few Welsh based tweets, this when the Euro's was on. I've also seen a tweet on his dad's account where he refers to Wales as 'home' when talking about living in Hereford. What the hell's happened then? I'm wondering if he's been tapped up by England, and made a decision based on the fact he can't get into a seriously shite Welsh u20's squad. I don't like to blame Bodin and the coaches for this one, as it may be a genuine change of heart, but a country our size can't afford to lose these sort of players. Get rid of them now. This wasn't it though because our U20s don't have a camp this month. It was only U18s, U21s and seniors, so those were the only options. I really think he should have gone with the U21s, but it is also less clear cut. I remember Neco kept getting picked in the U19s whilst getting senior minutes for Liverpool, then he went straight into the seniors Perhaps they wanted to keep James at that age group just to see him, and he's taken it as an insult. Neither country feels he's good enough for their U21s - so really I don't think there's a great deal of difference in how we are evaluating the player, just England had the luxury calling him to the U20s As other posters have suggested it seems like a good opportunity to "try England out" given the circumstances, so with my very optimistic hat on I'd say it's possible it's a "go and experience it" move. Identity can be complex for people with mixed heritage and they can be genuinely proud to play for both Wales and England - perhaps he's one of those and wanted to experience it Time will tell with this one I think, maybe he'll pop up in the next U21 squad? Who knows? Next move will be telling I feel |
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