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Post by Dubai Reds on Sept 21, 2022 4:34:32 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it.
Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different?
James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation.
Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc.
If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher
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Post by welshrover on Sept 21, 2022 6:16:21 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it. Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different? James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation. Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc. If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher Something in the back of my mind tells me that Charlie Savage is triple qualified. Welsh dad obviously, born in England but I feel sure Robbie's wife is Scottish but don't quote me on that. |
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Post by Dubai Reds on Sept 21, 2022 6:33:57 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it. Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different? James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation. Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc. If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher Something in the back of my mind tells me that Charlie Savage is triple qualified. Welsh dad obviously, born in England but I feel sure Robbie's wife is Scottish but don't quote me on that. Be careful saying that too loud, you will really upset some on here who are bad enough with Dual qualified players  |
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Post by evans1282 on Sept 21, 2022 6:34:53 GMT
FFS,dual qualified players have been encouraged to try out their other options since Osian took over,it's probably why we get less of the Rice situations than the ROI,it's not a big deal and if your so upset about it maybe we should stop selecting them? Or is your solution just to gripe about it from a position of ignorance. If you had used your eyes and engaged your brain you would see that upthread that I had no criticism of Ampadu and Brooks, this is purely about the song and dance created by the player and family after being selected for England. Imo he should be brought in after the World Cup because what message does it send out to welsh players in the under 21 who never went elsewhere and wrote goady posts on social media that he comes back and instantly gets called up to the seniors on the eve of the World Cup? He’s leap frogging everyone else in the hearts and minds of the fans and obviously Page too purely by dint of leveraging the fact he plays for the mighty Birmingham City. How depressing is that? Is that really how cheap we are as a nation? If it was a Premiership youngster displaying exceptional ability I could at least understand it more even if I still wouldn’t be happy about the situation. Cheap as a nation? Fuck right off with that crass and ignorant comment,perhaps because my kids if talented at football would be dual qualified I can be a bit less of a dick about it,played for our u18s went to play for England u20, now back with us ,exactly the same as Brooks and Ampadu,only difference his Dad went mad on twitter ffs Unlike you the boys talent is what's important not what academy he went to.Our worst run at u21 level was under Shoulder,Mark Hughes buddy,and we had teams full of Premier league youngsters!Totally ignoring talented that were playing mens football at lower levels.Toshack and Flynn changed this outlook,and we've benefited ever since.The reason we keep more dual qualified players than say the RoI,is that we don't call them "leapfroggers" or chancers,but while playing for us they are equals.Attitudes such as yours if spread could lose us players.And going back to "cheap as a nation" what sort of plastic Welshman even dreams of such language! |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 21, 2022 6:38:28 GMT
Bloody hell, some of you really do get worked up over the smallest things. Some of the outrage seems a little confected. I'm fairly certain the u21s won't give a toss about what Jordan James' father posted on twitter. I'm betting the group will be more pleased than anything about further evidence of a clear pathway to the first team for any promising youngster. By 'some' it is just 2 people who often have nothing but negative things to say about our players. Sad people. Imagine being anything but excited for the lad. |
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Post by dai on Sept 21, 2022 6:55:10 GMT
Bloody hell, some of you really do get worked up over the smallest things. Some of the outrage seems a little confected. I'm fairly certain the u21s won't give a toss about what Jordan James' father posted on twitter. I'm betting the group will be more pleased than anything about further evidence of a clear pathway to the first team for any promising youngster. By 'some' it is just 2 people who often have nothing but negative things to say about our players. Sad people. Imagine being anything but excited for the lad. Ahem, the sloppy seconds comment was a joke. I'm actually delighted he's returned, and if you read the other threads I've suggested he should be moving ahead of Levitt in the pecking order. |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 21, 2022 7:44:48 GMT
I’m pretty sure that the ones critical of his call up would be front of the queue complaining if we refused to select him because he played for England u20s.
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Post by gwernybwch on Sept 21, 2022 8:28:37 GMT
Bloody hell, some of you really do get worked up over the smallest things. Some of the outrage seems a little confected. I'm fairly certain the u21s won't give a toss about what Jordan James' father posted on twitter. I'm betting the group will be more pleased than anything about further evidence of a clear pathway to the first team for any promising youngster. What did his ole man post on twitter? JJ's dad was a sort of 'heart on his sleeve' type of player, so I wouldn't be surprised by an ill-considered outburst on social media. Although I am expecting JJ himself to have a new twitter handle at some point soon. One with "66" removed.... |
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Post by iot on Sept 21, 2022 8:44:38 GMT
Bloody hell, some of you really do get worked up over the smallest things. Some of the outrage seems a little confected. I'm fairly certain the u21s won't give a toss about what Jordan James' father posted on twitter. I'm betting the group will be more pleased than anything about further evidence of a clear pathway to the first team for any promising youngster. What did his ole man post on twitter? JJ's dad was a sort of 'heart on his sleeve' type of player, so I wouldn't be surprised by an ill-considered outburst on social media. Although I am expecting JJ himself to have a new twitter handle at some point soon. One with "66" removed.... Just had a scroll through Twitter. The worst I can see is this tweet. Other than that, it's just a few retweets from the FA and his club congratulating his call up. Really is a storm in a teacup. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 21, 2022 9:19:19 GMT
To be fair to the lad, I haven't looked through his Twitter and don't really care to, but if I was called up to represent another nation than Wales I would jump at the chance. Although my heart will always be Wales you just sometimes have to take opportunities when they come, give it your all and embrace the opportunity. Might be English born players mentality who want to play for Wales.
We'll never have the investment in the country like England does, but we aren't the Wales of old who are debuting 28 year olds who've had no desire to be Welsh until they realise a steady Premier League player won't get in the England squad. We qualify for tournaments, we've got a great record at home, we're in the elite group of the Nations League and holding our own with weakened squads. We are a really good opportunity for any dual nationality player and quite frankly anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot. We don't just have a national team for the sake of it anymore, we are actual contenders.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2022 9:20:47 GMT
I'd like to think all these young lads get their head turned at the thought of training/playing with the england under age sides but when they do they realise shit the Welsh set up is much more friendly and professional,i don't think i'm far off the mark tbh ,well ok maybe not bodin  No I think you are honestly spot on. Speed can be thanked for this, helping us to professionalise our setup. Seems like the friendly atmosphere and the bonds in our teams pays off in this respect If you think about it, England must select different players all the time for their age grades as well, as they can so many players appearing every few months. Our groups definitely have more consistency. Better to be a big fish in a smaller pond in that respect, and JJ's call up proves that |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2022 9:24:13 GMT
Also looking at his dad's twitter he's been retweeting a lot of Wales related stuff re: JJ's call up. He's Welsh himself so it's definitely just a case of proud dad
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Post by dai on Sept 21, 2022 9:32:02 GMT
Like someone mentioned earlier in this thread during his England call up, some of our players, having been born in England will obviously feel an affinity towards the nation.
I wasn't impressed by the pro-England stuff on social media that his family displayed - it was made more confusing by the pro-Welsh stance they had previously. So I thought he'd probably jumped ship. But I think we have to accept that players who are dual qualified probably share an affinity with us and other countries, whether they have English/Irish/Scottish etc parents, grandparents or an upbringing.
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Post by insertname on Sept 21, 2022 10:06:53 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it. Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different? James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation. Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc. If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher This is the forum where people got worked up about Ramsey signing for Rangers and Lawrence tweeting Union jacks. Yet a player who glories playing for England like it’s a career highlight just gets a free pass because he plays for Birmingham city and we’re desperate? I guess I’m fighting a very losing battle here so I shall say no more other than that personally I don’t see how people can be so proud about players signing for Rangers and yet have no issue with the way this player has behaved whilst touting himself between Wales and England (note the emphasis on the word “behaved”- that’s the key part that some seem to be enjoying looking past in their rush to draw comparisons with Brooks and Ampadu). And also, once again just to be absolutely clear, I am not calling for permanent ex-communication but it certainly doesn’t sit right with me that he comes back after the social media stuff and is called up at the first time of asking with a World Cup on the horizon. Very poor from Page imo and it smacks of desperation |
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Post by dai on Sept 21, 2022 10:10:09 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it. Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different? James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation. Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc. If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher I guess I’m fighting a very losing battle here so I shall say no more other than that personally I don’t see how people can be so proud about players signing for Rangers and yet have no issue with the way this player has behaved whilst touting himself between Wales and England (note the emphasis on the word “behaved”- that’s the key part that some seem to be enjoying looking past in their rush to draw comparisons with Brooks and Ampadu). Oofff, that's a good one, seems like a checkmate right there!  |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2022 10:19:49 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it. Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different? James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation. Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc. If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher This is the forum where people got worked up about Ramsey signing for Rangers and Lawrence tweeting Union jacks. Yet a player who glories playing for England like it’s a career highlight just gets a free pass because he plays for Birmingham city and we’re desperate? I guess I’m fighting a very losing battle here so I shall say no more other than that personally I don’t see how people can be so proud about players signing for Rangers and yet have no issue with the way this player has behaved whilst touting himself between Wales and England (note the emphasis on the word “behaved”- that’s the key part that some seem to be enjoying looking past in their rush to draw comparisons with Brooks and Ampadu). And also, once again just to be absolutely clear, I am not calling for permanent ex-communication but it certainly doesn’t sit right with me that he comes back after the social media stuff and is called up at the first time of asking with a World Cup on the horizon. Very poor from Page imo and it smacks of desperation There's a difference between our players signing for a pro-British nationalist club and then parading that about online, versus a player who has an affinity for 2 countries being proud of being selected for both. When you say behaviour, what exactly are you referring to? What has JJ done in terms of behaviour that we should be concerned about? |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 21, 2022 10:26:46 GMT
This is the forum where people got worked up about Ramsey signing for Rangers and Lawrence tweeting Union jacks. Yet a player who glories playing for England like it’s a career highlight just gets a free pass because he plays for Birmingham city and we’re desperate?I guess I’m fighting a very losing battle here so I shall say no more other than that personally I don’t see how people can be so proud about players signing for Rangers and yet have no issue with the way this player has behaved whilst touting himself between Wales and England (note the emphasis on the word “behaved”- that’s the key part that some seem to be enjoying looking past in their rush to draw comparisons with Brooks and Ampadu). Oofff, that's a good one, seems like a checkmate right there! Not really. Not many were suggesting that Ramsey and Lawrence shouldn’t be selected for Wales because they played for Rangers. Most just showed disappointment at the choices (much like they were disappointed at James) |
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Post by Dubai Reds on Sept 21, 2022 10:43:04 GMT
Very strange that some are worked up about it. Are we going to have the same discussion about "Dual" Charlie Savage, or is that different? James probably feels on the fence, probably has half Welsh/English family, and looks out for both results, who knows his background, its all speculation. Its only a positive that duals want to play for us, when they could easily in the next few years of their careers could make the main England squad if they are good enough for U18s, U20s, U21s etc. If they felt proper "English", they would hang around and be striving for at least 1 cap. He's too young to be called "sloppy seconds", that is someone like Ben Thatcher This is the forum where people got worked up about Ramsey signing for Rangers and Lawrence tweeting Union jacks. Yet a player who glories playing for England like it’s a career highlight just gets a free pass because he plays for Birmingham city and we’re desperate? I guess I’m fighting a very losing battle here so I shall say no more other than that personally I don’t see how people can be so proud about players signing for Rangers and yet have no issue with the way this player has behaved whilst touting himself between Wales and England (note the emphasis on the word “behaved”- that’s the key part that some seem to be enjoying looking past in their rush to draw comparisons with Brooks and Ampadu). And also, once again just to be absolutely clear, I am not calling for permanent ex-communication but it certainly doesn’t sit right with me that he comes back after the social media stuff and is called up at the first time of asking with a World Cup on the horizon. Very poor from Page imo and it smacks of desperation I get your point. As far as I can see it's the same people getting wound up about both points, to be honest with you. Jordan James' case has very similar parallels to Brooks, yet Brooks got a free ride despite being Player of the Tournament in Toulon for England, but was welcomed back by all as part of the "Holy Trinity" with Ampadu and Woodburn, but nothing was said about that. I've seen a few "Dual" players have posted pro-England tweets in the past until changing allegiance. Pretty sure Kieffer Moore and Sorba Thomas are ones, and played for England C. I don't know what to say except completely sanitize their social media accounts to Pro-Welsh to please some. I disagree that his call-up is desperation. He was originally called up to the U21s and promoted up due to withdrawals and is playing regularly at a higher level than the others. He is next off the rank for that position in my opinion. |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 21, 2022 11:13:46 GMT
As someone who doesn't have a lot of social media what exactly did this chap say?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 21, 2022 14:58:02 GMT
As someone who doesn't have a lot of social media what exactly did this chap say? Pretty sure all he said was that he was proud to be called up by England, and his father also posted about how proud he was. In the past, and following this recent call up they've also said similar things about his Wales call ups. Long story short, he didn't really say anything that hasn't already been said when called up for us |
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Post by abwales on Sept 21, 2022 20:28:07 GMT
 Welcome back to Wales. We do right morally by encouraging dual qualified youngsters to try out all available options and we do incredibly well to show them what we're about. If I were a dad and my child opted to play for England, despite myself being a very proud Welshman, no doubt I'd still be on social media shouting how proud I am of him/her. I'm sure when he makes his debut for us that'll be the proudest he's ever been! |
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Post by dai on Sept 22, 2022 13:12:19 GMT
Disappointed that Page hasn't selected him for tonight. We've given competitive debuts to plenty of young players who were playing at a much lower level than him, so I find it a bit short sighted to not have him in the match day squad at least.
But then again he's chosen a rookie who hasn't played a senior second yet over an established young championship player. Pages' selection policy is baffling but Im sure someone here will have an explanation/excuse......
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Post by rangers15 on Sept 22, 2022 13:36:40 GMT
Disappointed that Page hasn't selected him for tonight. We've given competitive debuts to plenty of young players who were playing at a much lower level than him, so I find it a bit short sighted to not have him in the match day squad at least. But then again he's chosen a rookie who hasn't played a senior second yet over an established young championship player. Pages' selection policy is baffling but Im sure someone here will have an explanation/excuse...... no excuse or explanation... but its page's choice and JJ wasn't the only player not making the 23 man match day squad. You could say the same of Colwill... Page and the FAW are putting a lot of faith in Harris being the next big thing for Wales. Weren't you criticizing Page for calling up JJ to the senior squad and leapfrogging other players - and now you're calling page out when he hasn't picked JJ in the matchday squad. (apologies in advance if this wasn't you Dai) ** edit** i wasnt Dai who said that - my bad. |
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Post by dai on Sept 22, 2022 13:43:06 GMT
Disappointed that Page hasn't selected him for tonight. We've given competitive debuts to plenty of young players who were playing at a much lower level than him, so I find it a bit short sighted to not have him in the match day squad at least. But then again he's chosen a rookie who hasn't played a senior second yet over an established young championship player. Pages' selection policy is baffling but Im sure someone here will have an explanation/excuse...... no excuse or explanation... but its page's choice and JJ wasn't the only player not making the 23 man match day squad. You could say the same of Colwill... Page and the FAW are putting a lot of faith in Harris being the next big thing for Wales. Weren't you criticizing Page for calling up JJ to the senior squad and leapfrogging other players - and now you're calling page out when he hasn't picked JJ in the matchday squad. (apologies in advance if this wasn't you Dai)No, I just made a joke saying we were his sloppy seconds after he played for England, but as usual, people are sensitive on this forum. If people read back through this thread, you will see that I was advocating calling him up to the senior squad back in March when he broke through into the Birmingham team. He should have been with our u21's at the time anyway, however I have my suspicions that was Bodin's fault. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 22, 2022 15:36:20 GMT
Disappointed that Page hasn't selected him for tonight. We've given competitive debuts to plenty of young players who were playing at a much lower level than him, so I find it a bit short sighted to not have him in the match day squad at least. But then again he's chosen a rookie who hasn't played a senior second yet over an established young championship player. Pages' selection policy is baffling but Im sure someone here will have an explanation/excuse...... I'm baffled that you think Page's selections are baffling. He got us to the World Cup for christ's sake |
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Post by dai on Sept 22, 2022 15:39:33 GMT
Disappointed that Page hasn't selected him for tonight. We've given competitive debuts to plenty of young players who were playing at a much lower level than him, so I find it a bit short sighted to not have him in the match day squad at least. But then again he's chosen a rookie who hasn't played a senior second yet over an established young championship player. Pages' selection policy is baffling but Im sure someone here will have an explanation/excuse...... I'm baffled that you think Page's selections are baffling. He got us to the World Cup for christ's sake Are we not allowed to question anything Page or the FAW do anymore? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 22, 2022 15:41:15 GMT
I'm baffled that you think Page's selections are baffling. He got us to the World Cup for christ's sake Are we not allowed to question anything Page or the FAW do anymore? Am I not allowed to question your opinion of Page or the FAW? |
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Post by dai on Sept 22, 2022 15:44:56 GMT
Are we not allowed to question anything Page or the FAW do anymore? Am I not allowed to question your opinion of Page or the FAW? Baffling reply. |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 22, 2022 16:12:14 GMT
The last 4 or 5 posts are baffling haha.
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Post by redwallnews on Sept 22, 2022 16:28:47 GMT
He will get game time against Poland is probably the thinking.
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