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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 19, 2021 11:56:26 GMT
There is no way Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay and Bolivia should be anywhere near group A and some of them shouldn't be anywhere near group B. This must be something to do with the Biennial World Cup because this goes against a lot of European federations interests, including ours. I don't mind them starting in League B and just seeing where they go from there. If they're not that good they will drop down, so that's fine Bolivia have a formidable home record because they play at altitude, but are really poor away. So I think they will drop down quickly given the games will all happen in Europe. I'd expect they to be a low level C tier team At the moment the best of those teams is definitely Ecuador who are currently 3rd in CONMEBOL qualifying ahead of Colombia, Peru, Chile and Uruguay Peru did okay at the last World Cup if I remember correctly as well and I found their style to be interesting. Ultimately though I can't see any of these sides really pushing for League A with all their games being away games I'd estimate they all end up consistently around League C and B |
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Post by jimbo82 on Dec 20, 2021 9:33:14 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 20, 2021 10:26:24 GMT
A biennial World Cup would ruin my favourite tournament in football. I can't believe there is support for it among the majority of FAs, the fans will all hate the idea too
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Post by saints19 on Dec 20, 2021 17:38:28 GMT
Whole load of reasons I can think of to oppose this, but the main ones are:
- Logistics - if NL is linked to WC/Euros qualification, South American sides will really mess with that side of things, if they win groups and play-off spots are reserved for group winners for instance. Another issue is that it hardly seems fair to just dump the CONMEBOL nations into League A and B as indicated. Who decided that?
- Travelling - much longer distances for fans, more difficult logistically/financially for FAs, especially smaller ones.
- Creation of a global elite in League A - this risks devaluing the World Cup and Euros, and making the NL the bigger tournament, while giving the "big boys" a pretty much automatic right to be at the big tournament - not good IMO.
- Money - obviously, I believe international football is already pandering to the money men too much. Arguably it's been doing so for decades since player eligibility criteria were relaxed.
I can only think of one reason to support this, and that is that the games against South American opposition will add a bit of spice to the competition for fans who rarely get to see their nations play truly international opposition. However, a hypothetical Gibraltar v Bolivia Nations League C game hardly sets neutrals' pulses racing.
If this is the direction they want to go in, why not consider changing World Cup qualifying to make it truly global? I would be open to that and it would put to bed arguments over confederations' relative strengths and the allocation of World Cup qualifying places.
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Post by insertname on Dec 20, 2021 19:49:42 GMT
Whole load of reasons I can think of to oppose this, but the main ones are: - Logistics - if NL is linked to WC/Euros qualification, South American sides will really mess with that side of things, if they win groups and play-off spots are reserved for group winners for instance. Another issue is that it hardly seems fair to just dump the CONMEBOL nations into League A and B as indicated. Who decided that? - Travelling - much longer distances for fans, more difficult logistically/financially for FAs, especially smaller ones. - Creation of a global elite in League A - this risks devaluing the World Cup and Euros, and making the NL the bigger tournament, while giving the "big boys" a pretty much automatic right to be at the big tournament - not good IMO. - Money - obviously, I believe international football is already pandering to the money men too much. Arguably it's been doing so for decades since player eligibility criteria were relaxed. I can only think of one reason to support this, and that is that the games against South American opposition will add a bit of spice to the competition for fans who rarely get to see their nations play truly international opposition. However, a hypothetical Gibraltar v Bolivia Nations League C game hardly sets neutrals' pulses racing. If this is the direction they want to go in, why not consider changing World Cup qualifying to make it truly global? I would be open to that and it would put to bed arguments over confederations' relative strengths and the allocation of World Cup qualifying places. I used to argue on here and the old ds board for global qualifying and most seemed to think it was a crackpot idea. The travelling was considered a big issue. These days though with so many premier league players flying all over the world for internationals it makes even more sense in theory but in practice the time for it has probably passed because it would be the fastest way for football to contribute negatively to the environment |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 27, 2022 21:43:28 GMT
League B pots for NL 2024
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Post by dai on Sept 27, 2022 21:45:32 GMT
Scotland are some jammy f****. Unbelievable. Ignore, mis read the tweet as that being Scotlands group! Twp.
Wales
Finland
Slovenia
Turkey
Please.
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Post by hal on Sept 28, 2022 8:54:40 GMT
League B pots for NL 2024 I’d argue pot 4 is tougher than pot 3!!! |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 28, 2022 9:02:45 GMT
League B pots for NL 2024 I’d argue pot 4 is tougher than pot 3!!! Promoted sides (pot 4) vs clingers on (pot 3) |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Sept 28, 2022 10:36:02 GMT
I think Gibraltar v Bolivia sounds amazing, personally. One of the best things about the NL has been giving some of the 'lesser' countries more interesting matches.
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 28, 2022 13:06:58 GMT
I cant see any negatives from the NL, maybe we have less inter federation matches now but we rarely played them anyway.
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Post by mikejones on Sept 30, 2022 10:34:27 GMT
Do people in Europe actually care about the Nations League?
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 30, 2022 11:37:53 GMT
Do people in Europe actually care about the Nations League? I love it. I'm sure Andorra and Gibraltar love it as it gives them some success in competitive matches. Getting steam rolled in every qualifier can't be easy. Obviously it used to be a strain on us always finishing 4th and only beating the minnows, dreaming of that one match where we scalp a big country. So to lose every match... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 30, 2022 19:58:15 GMT
Do people in Europe actually care about the Nations League? It's a massive upgrade on friendlies. It benefits everyone. The only people who don't like it are the fans of big countries who mistakenly think this means that they play extra fixtures, when in fact they don't. So yeah everyone thinks it's a good development |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 25, 2023 22:27:40 GMT
Not sure the format needs any more games but could be fun:
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Post by iot on Jan 26, 2023 11:38:22 GMT
Don't like it personally. Think the current format works well - you need at least some stability between the leagues otherwise it just get farcical with constant changes that doesn't reflect the difference in quality. It also means it would be far harder for us to stay in League A if we managed to get back there.
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 26, 2023 11:58:27 GMT
Exactly, I love the Nations League, I just hope we take it very seriously like we did in the past because it can really help boost rankings and qualification to major tournaments.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 26, 2023 13:56:22 GMT
I think we should be taking them seriously, but I le the approach of using them to expose certain players too. If say we had a campaign coming up now, I'd want us to be looking at players like Terry Taylor, Regan Poole & Oli Cooper, whilst still trying to get results
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 27, 2023 16:17:56 GMT
Who knew international confederations read Apostle?!
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Post by morg on Dec 6, 2023 6:22:59 GMT
Flippin Eck. What with everything else that's going on with Welsh football, haven't really looked at this but just realised that the B league is no walk in the park this time round. We're seeded so can't draw the likes of England and Austria but could end up in this kind of group
Cymru
Norway/Ukraine
Albania
Turkey
Draw is on February 8th.
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 6, 2023 9:40:01 GMT
Greece away start of September would be a treat lol
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 6, 2023 11:21:53 GMT
Greece away start of September would be a treat lol Greece-Albania double header |
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 6, 2023 11:32:33 GMT
Teams we haven't played recently or at all:
Norway
Slovenia
Kazakhstan
Id be very happy with that. Less so with:
Ukraine or Finland
ROI
Turkey
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Post by dai on Dec 6, 2023 11:57:12 GMT
Its deffo going to be Wales, Ukraine, ROI and Turkey.
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Post by morg on Dec 6, 2023 11:58:06 GMT
Apologies. Should have checked a bit harder for an existing thread. Thanks for consolidating.
We've seen the benefits of the NL already so definitely need to take seriously but does underline how it's difficult to give fringe/youngsters game time with so few friendlies now.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Dec 6, 2023 18:53:16 GMT
Ireland would be top, do love a trip to Dublin.
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Post by manulike on Dec 6, 2023 21:43:41 GMT
Greece away start of September would be a treat lol Kazakhstan, Albania and Norway will make my bank manager very happy ;-) |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 7, 2023 0:10:57 GMT
Apologies. Should have checked a bit harder for an existing thread. Thanks for consolidating. We've seen the benefits of the NL already so definitely need to take seriously but does underline how it's difficult to give fringe/youngsters game time with so few friendlies now. I think it's still important to strike that balance in Nations League games. Giggs achieved this well. Against Finland away he started Levitt, against Bulgaria he gave Neco a debut, Matt Smith got plenty of opportunities, Norrington-Davies got a first start away to Bulgaria, and plenty of the current mainstays built up caps during that campaign The manager has to do it in a smart way whilst still being competitive and trying to win games. I appreciate that drawing a difficult group might limit those opportunities but we still need to do it, so that in future we don't have to rely on players like Connor Roberts who hasn't been playing but we're reluctant to throw in an uncapped player I'd like to see lineups such as; Ward Huggins-Lockyer-Rodon-Dasilva JJ-Ampadu Brooks-Ramsey-Broadhead Moore Ward Mepham-Low-Davies Burns-JJ-Morrell-Dasilva DJ-Brennan Bradshaw Ward Ampadu-Cabango-RND Neco-Savage-JJ-Huggins Wilson-Ramsey Moore All of those would be competitive against a lot of League B teams and would really help with our squad development |
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Post by superunknown on Dec 7, 2023 14:08:31 GMT
Don’t mind wherever else if we get Kazakhstan, been high on my list for a while.
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Post by superunknown on Feb 5, 2024 10:59:48 GMT
Sorry if mentioned but just found this out.
If we finish 2nd in our NL group we’ll go to a playoff next March against a team who finished 3rd in League A, winner is in League A for the next edition.
If we finish 3rd it’s vice versa, we’ll have a playoff against a team from League C who finished 2nd to decide who’s in League B for next time.
Plenty to play for then!
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