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Post by insertname on Jan 24, 2023 11:05:08 GMT
It’s been the same for decades. People will never stop getting carried away. Beat to just laugh and let it pass.
Honestly, we’d have won a World Cup by now of every player who was predicted to have been a world beater had fulfilled that potential. Very very few players actually do which puts the constant hyping into context.
Saying that though, the thing with this Harris guy is that even by youth team standards he does seem to be remarkable. Constant hat tricks from midfield seems highly unusual.
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Post by iot on Jan 24, 2023 12:34:56 GMT
I don't disagree with the first bit, which is why I say he's proven nothing at senior level and there's still a big if around whether he fulfills his potential. The only thing we can say is that he does have huge potential and, in my view, is our best prospect. But again, there's a wide chasm between potential and being a prospect with actually fulfilling that to become the next Ramsey. I've personally only ever described him in those terms and personally haven't seen people saying he's 100% going to be the next big thing. From memory, people only called for him to be in the WC squad for the experience similar to Colwill in 2021 or to make sure he would stick around with us as a dual national. I definitely don't remember people saying we needed to build a team around him and that he was about to break into the Fulham team, but fair enough if that did happen.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 24, 2023 13:05:34 GMT
When Woodburn was called up he scored against Austria and set up the goal in Moldova with brilliant play, essentially winning us 6 points and keeping the campaign alive, not sure he's the best example of why we shouldn't be looking at a player's youth career. It hasn't gone to plan since for whatever reason since then, but surely he's an example of why we should take into consideration a players youth career?
Harry Wilson has over 40 caps at 25 and is a Premier League player so again, not sure what your point is there? I know you don't rate Levitt but again he's 22 and playing regular football at a decent level
Harris has been a proper squad player though? He's been on the bench practically every week in a Fulham side that's doing far better than expected, they've now decided he's ready to be exposed to first team football at a fairly young age. We don't know what level he'll end up playing at yet, but regular EFL football at 17 would be great for him
Even the very best young players don't get much football at 17, Phil Foden for instance didn't start a league game until he was almost 19, add to that that Fulham don't have the luxury of being 3-0 up very often to give these youngsters a few minutes as the top clubs do. I'm sorry but you're being bizarrely negative here
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Post by dai on Jan 24, 2023 14:29:55 GMT
Woodburn was a one hit wonder I'm afraid, had two good games then slipped into obscurity. Yes, Wilson is a PL player but I'm not sold that he's PL quality given his stints so far.
I don't think I'm being 'bizarrely' negative at all. Like I said, there was big talk around him last year. But here we are waiting for him to join what will probably be a L1 or L2 side.
After seeing what repetitive loans have done to a few of our youngsters I'm very sceptical about this route with 'promising' players.
I'm also waiting with interest to see if he'll be returning to the setup after his unusual drop out before the WC.
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Post by insertname on Jan 24, 2023 14:55:19 GMT
Yeah I’m not sure EFL football is automatically the best option at a young age. Foden is a great example of a player who didn’t have to go out on loan and waited for his opportunity, then you have a player like Woodburn who maybe set himself back years by going on various poor loans. Could Ampadu have fulfilled his potential (which was predicted to be stratospheric) by better decision making rather than sequences of loans only to end up at poor Serie A sides? It probably very much depends on the player as to what type of roadmap it’s best for their transition from youth football to adult football to take.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 24, 2023 14:56:32 GMT
But he was clearly good enough at the time which is my point and why you should take youth careers into account. If we only took senior minutes into account then Ampadu would have about 10 caps and h's one of our best players. The Championship is hardly obscurity either. Wilson is a PL player, he showed it at Bournemouth and was unfortunate to be injured early this season which has stopped him from being a regular
He's 17, has been linked with a £30m move to Chelsea and scored regularly in u23 games as a 16 year old midfielder before becoming part of a PL first team squad, of course there was big talk about him. You talk about a 17 year old going on loan as if it's a bad thing when in fact most clubs don't want to loan out players that young as they aren't ready. Fulham clearly think highly of Harris and their recent track record of youngsters speaks for itself
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 8, 2023 18:47:36 GMT
Starts in the cup replay tonight, live on BBC
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 8, 2023 20:48:50 GMT
Off at half time as a double sub which is a surprise
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 8, 2023 21:09:59 GMT
He did ok nothing spectacular but didn’t look out of place
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Post by dai on Feb 8, 2023 23:11:34 GMT
Didnt see the game, but getting subbed at half time will do nothing for a kids' confidence. Unless it was the plan from the start to give him 45 mins.......
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 9, 2023 0:38:05 GMT
The main thing is he played and didn't play badly, a step in the right direction
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Post by dai on Feb 9, 2023 9:17:48 GMT
Interesting to read that he seemed bright at the start of the game, but quickly faded / disappeared. Make of that what you will, but this just confirms my thoughts that he should not be in the squad over senior, experienced players yet.
For example, if there was a choice of Lee Evans or HarriS, I'd pick Evans right now.
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Post by manulike on Feb 9, 2023 9:53:17 GMT
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 9, 2023 11:25:18 GMT
Interesting to read that he seemed bright at the start of the game, but quickly faded / disappeared. Make of that what you will, but this just confirms my thoughts that he should not be in the squad over senior, experienced players yet. For example, if there was a choice of Lee Evans or HarriS, I'd pick Evans right now. Why would the choice be between two different kinds of players? We can have both anyway
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Post by dai on Feb 9, 2023 11:31:23 GMT
They are quite similar players? Deep lying midfielders from what I've read?
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 9, 2023 11:33:29 GMT
Harris isn't a deep lying midfielder
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Post by dai on Feb 9, 2023 12:17:00 GMT
That's where he was on the formation last night. FWIW, Evans has played in a deep lying and in more of a 10 role.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 9, 2023 12:38:06 GMT
Well they got it wrong, he was playing as an attacking midfielder and swapping with Wilson on the right wing. Out of possession he was in a front 2.
He's a goalscorer, he took up some intelligent positions in the box and I was surprised he went off. Fulham's left winger (Solomon) was wasteful and could have picked him out once or twice. I understand Silva's reasoning though
As an aside it baffles me that Tom Cairney only has 2 caps for Scotland, tremendous player
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Post by dragonsoccer on Feb 12, 2023 19:44:40 GMT
Just had an update on Luke Harris
"paternal grandmother born in Cardiff"
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Post by Tom Tom on Feb 12, 2023 20:20:44 GMT
Luke Harris is the next Welsh Wonderkid and I hope he gets a start in the euro 2024 qualifiers Fulham rate him so highly he is going to be a regular in the starting line up very soon
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Post by iot on Feb 12, 2023 20:34:15 GMT
He's our best prospect, but shown next to nothing in senior football yet. He also seems to have gone off the boil slightly in youth football recently. We can't be certain of anything at this stage.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 28, 2023 21:33:30 GMT
On the bench again for Fulham, nice to see he's around the first team still
Only 17, hopefully he can get a good loan move next season or perhaps even some more first team games, especially if Fulham get into Europe
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Post by Tom Tom on Feb 28, 2023 22:01:44 GMT
On the bench again for Fulham, nice to see he's around the first team still Only 17, hopefully he can get a good loan move next season or perhaps even some more first team games, especially if Fulham get into Europe Will Rob Page call up Luke Harris into Wales senior squad just sitting on first team bench and playing for U21s Ideally we all need to see him play at U21 international level first rather than be fast tracked into the senior international squad with little to no experience of first team football
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 28, 2023 22:07:26 GMT
On the bench again for Fulham, nice to see he's around the first team still Only 17, hopefully he can get a good loan move next season or perhaps even some more first team games, especially if Fulham get into Europe Will Rob Page call up Luke Harris into Wales senior squad just sitting on first team bench and playing for U21s Ideally we all need to see him play at U21 international level first rather than be fast tracked into the senior international squad with little to no experience of first team football Why? It didn't do Neco much harm being fast-tracked I'm not sure much can be judged from u21 internationals, Brennan never looked particularly good for the u21s but has shone for the seniors. The coaches will know better than we do the level Harris is at
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 28, 2023 22:15:45 GMT
Will Rob Page call up Luke Harris into Wales senior squad just sitting on first team bench and playing for U21s Ideally we all need to see him play at U21 international level first rather than be fast tracked into the senior international squad with little to no experience of first team football Why? It didn't do Neco much harm being fast-tracked I'm not sure much can be judged from u21 internationals, Brennan never looked particularly good for the u21s but has shone for the seniors. The coaches will know better than we do the level Harris is at Neco stood out in several first team games for Liverpool before he was called up for his first cap. A goal on his first cap and he's never looked back
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Post by Tom Tom on Feb 28, 2023 22:24:32 GMT
Why? It didn't do Neco much harm being fast-tracked I'm not sure much can be judged from u21 internationals, Brennan never looked particularly good for the u21s but has shone for the seniors. The coaches will know better than we do the level Harris is at Neco stood out in several first team games for Liverpool before he was called up for his first cap. A goal on his first cap and he's never looked back Looking through the Harris stats Marco has given Harris ten minutes in total in three premier league games. All of which are right at the very end of games when Fulham have been 2-3 nil ahead. Harris will be 18 in six weeks I’m just surprised that he has not given him more minutes when he is their wonder kid. Garnacho at Man United look at him he is their young wonderkid and plays on a regular basis. I wonder what path Marco has for Harris. You had those 30 million pound Chelsea rumours when the media were saying talks were in an advanced stage for a move in January but it appears that’s what it was just rumour He has gone a little quiet lately for the U21s I personally think similar to Nico he will make a name for himself more with Wales than he will with Fulham
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Post by iot on Mar 1, 2023 12:28:38 GMT
Neco stood out in several first team games for Liverpool before he was called up for his first cap. A goal on his first cap and he's never looked back Looking through the Harris stats Marco has given Harris ten minutes in total in three premier league games. All of which are right at the very end of games when Fulham have been 2-3 nil ahead. Harris will be 18 in six weeks I’m just surprised that he has not given him more minutes when he is their wonder kid. Garnacho at Man United look at him he is their young wonderkid and plays on a regular basis. I wonder what path Marco has for Harris. You had those 30 million pound Chelsea rumours when the media were saying talks were in an advanced stage for a move in January but it appears that’s what it was just rumour He has gone a little quiet lately for the U21s I personally think similar to Nico he will make a name for himself more with Wales than he will with Fulham 'He has gone a little quiet lately for the U21s' - he's scored 3 goals in his last 2 games for them
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Post by iot on Mar 1, 2023 12:29:51 GMT
Will Rob Page call up Luke Harris into Wales senior squad just sitting on first team bench and playing for U21s Ideally we all need to see him play at U21 international level first rather than be fast tracked into the senior international squad with little to no experience of first team football Why? It didn't do Neco much harm being fast-tracked I'm not sure much can be judged from u21 internationals, Brennan never looked particularly good for the u21s but has shone for the seniors. The coaches will know better than we do the level Harris is at Pretty sure that Brennan scored on his u21 debut, and only played once or twice thereafter before moving up to the seniors
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Post by Tom Tom on Mar 1, 2023 13:00:51 GMT
Looking through the Harris stats Marco has given Harris ten minutes in total in three premier league games. All of which are right at the very end of games when Fulham have been 2-3 nil ahead. Harris will be 18 in six weeks I’m just surprised that he has not given him more minutes when he is their wonder kid. Garnacho at Man United look at him he is their young wonderkid and plays on a regular basis. I wonder what path Marco has for Harris. You had those 30 million pound Chelsea rumours when the media were saying talks were in an advanced stage for a move in January but it appears that’s what it was just rumour He has gone a little quiet lately for the U21s I personally think similar to Nico he will make a name for himself more with Wales than he will with Fulham 'He has gone a little quiet lately for the U21s' - he's scored 3 goals in his last 2 games for them Let’s hope and pray the boss selects Harris for the senior squad based on his goals at U21 level. We have heard he will definitely be selected over lads who get regular first team minutes so no problem there for Harris
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 1, 2023 13:50:44 GMT
'He has gone a little quiet lately for the U21s' - he's scored 3 goals in his last 2 games for them Let’s hope and pray the boss selects Harris for the senior squad based on his goals at U21 level. We have heard he will definitely be selected over lads who get regular first team minutes so no problem there for Harris Sorry but are you his brother or something? The only contributions you make are asking about his eligibility qualifications several times and then deleting them and then constantly saying let’s hope he gets called up. Faithy we all want to see Luke Harris called up and I’m sure Page will call him up soon.
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