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Post by nwcherries on Jun 6, 2022 12:39:28 GMT
Congratulations to all of you, what a night! I think you’ll do well in Qatar tbh, Page seems like a real palette cleanser from a character like Giggs and has done a fantastic job. Hopefully Brooksy will be well again by then and be able to play a part too.
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Post by jimbo82 on Jun 6, 2022 12:41:02 GMT
Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but hats off to the ball boys last night. At half time we saw then in the "ball room" and joked that they're talking tactics. Then second half they came back out but were nowhere to be seen. Never seen a referee go looking for a ball to get a goal kick taken before!
Clearly this was something that had been discussed/planned and is exactly the sort of gamesmanship that we experience when playing away. Not sure if I really endorse this sort of thing, but it shows that Wales were trying to do anything and everything to gain any advantage. In the past we've sometimes been quite naive in these areas.
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Post by insertname on Jun 6, 2022 14:06:49 GMT
Don't know if it's already been mentioned, but hats off to the ball boys last night. At half time we saw then in the "ball room" and joked that they're talking tactics. Then second half they came back out but were nowhere to be seen. Never seen a referee go looking for a ball to get a goal kick taken before! Clearly this was something that had been discussed/planned and is exactly the sort of gamesmanship that we experience when playing away. Not sure if I really endorse this sort of thing, but it shows that Wales were trying to do anything and everything to gain any advantage. In the past we've sometimes been quite naive in these areas. I think it was Ian Atkins who employed that tactic back in the day when my team played Northampton in a play off semi-final, he loved a bit of gamesmanship. Had the away dressing room painted pink as well iirc. Yeah I’m a believer in Corinthian spirit, I think if you have to cheat to win then it’s a Pyrrhic victory by definition but saying that in the grand scheme of things the ball boys going missing for 45 minutes is small beer and of course it’s entirely up to the ref to ensure the time-keeping is correct. |
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Post by welwyn on Jun 6, 2022 15:07:13 GMT
On Ramsey's performance, I came away from the stadium yesterday feeling exactly the same way. I thought he had a stinker with his touch all over the place. However watching the game back this morning, he was actually a lot better than I realised. He had a good first 10 mins when Ukraine were dominant, where he must have dispossessed them 3 or 4 times. He then had a terrible middle part to the first half where he lost the ball a few times and put us under pressure. But there were lots of other good moments during the rest of the game. He should have scored, but it was he who got himself into that position for that massive chance. He did brilliantly to set up the other massive chance for bale. There was another time where he did really well to set up Wilson at the end where he won that free kick, there was the brilliant cross he put in in the first half that no one got on the end of, and another brilliant touch in the box and a dangerous ball across the 6 yard box that was cut out. So all in all, he won back possession way more than I remembered and was involved in creating 4 or 5 good to half chances. Disagree with you and insertname on Hennessey's save from that header - it was an incredible save. It doesn't look as good in slow motion, but in real time you could see it was a bullet header from point blank range and hennessey had to react really quickly. It was the type of chance where more often than not the keeper wouldn't have saved it. Everything you just said about Ramsey's performance is both true and the entire reason he doesn't work in a two. He creates those chances because he takes chances and playing in a two, sometimes finds himself taking chances in areas that he frankly shouldn't as there isn't the bodies and time behind him to cover it. Agree on Hennessey's final save completely. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 6, 2022 15:46:26 GMT
On Ramsey's performance, I came away from the stadium yesterday feeling exactly the same way. I thought he had a stinker with his touch all over the place. However watching the game back this morning, he was actually a lot better than I realised. He had a good first 10 mins when Ukraine were dominant, where he must have dispossessed them 3 or 4 times. He then had a terrible middle part to the first half where he lost the ball a few times and put us under pressure. But there were lots of other good moments during the rest of the game. He should have scored, but it was he who got himself into that position for that massive chance. He did brilliantly to set up the other massive chance for bale. There was another time where he did really well to set up Wilson at the end where he won that free kick, there was the brilliant cross he put in in the first half that no one got on the end of, and another brilliant touch in the box and a dangerous ball across the 6 yard box that was cut out. So all in all, he won back possession way more than I remembered and was involved in creating 4 or 5 good to half chances. Disagree with you and insertname on Hennessey's save from that header - it was an incredible save. It doesn't look as good in slow motion, but in real time you could see it was a bullet header from point blank range and hennessey had to react really quickly. It was the type of chance where more often than not the keeper wouldn't have saved it. Everything you just said about Ramsey's performance is both true and the entire reason he doesn't work in a two. He creates those chances because he takes chances and playing in a two, sometimes finds himself taking chances in areas that he frankly shouldn't as there isn't the bodies and time behind him to cover it. Agree on Hennessey's final save completely. This.... Ramsey needs to either be in a midfield 3 or playing as a number 10. |
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Post by morg on Jun 6, 2022 15:50:29 GMT
On Ramsey's performance, I came away from the stadium yesterday feeling exactly the same way. I thought he had a stinker with his touch all over the place. However watching the game back this morning, he was actually a lot better than I realised. He had a good first 10 mins when Ukraine were dominant, where he must have dispossessed them 3 or 4 times. He then had a terrible middle part to the first half where he lost the ball a few times and put us under pressure. But there were lots of other good moments during the rest of the game. He should have scored, but it was he who got himself into that position for that massive chance. He did brilliantly to set up the other massive chance for bale. There was another time where he did really well to set up Wilson at the end where he won that free kick, there was the brilliant cross he put in in the first half that no one got on the end of, and another brilliant touch in the box and a dangerous ball across the 6 yard box that was cut out. So all in all, he won back possession way more than I remembered and was involved in creating 4 or 5 good to half chances. Disagree with you and insertname on Hennessey's save from that header - it was an incredible save. It doesn't look as good in slow motion, but in real time you could see it was a bullet header from point blank range and hennessey had to react really quickly. It was the type of chance where more often than not the keeper wouldn't have saved it. Everything you just said about Ramsey's performance is both true and the entire reason he doesn't work in a two. He creates those chances because he takes chances and playing in a two, sometimes finds himself taking chances in areas that he frankly shouldn't as there isn't the bodies and time behind him to cover it. Agree on Hennessey's final save completely. Yep, watched back today and saw a number of good things. His natural game is to go forward and the extra responsibility of playing in a two was too much. Good thing was that he lasted 96 minutes without too much fuss and if he'd put that chance away, we'd have a different outlook. Could still be a big player for us. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 6, 2022 16:41:08 GMT
Diolch i Rob Page! Made the tweak tonight to move away from the 3-5-2 the Ukranians clearly practised extensively against and it did work. Yes they had chances, but I think they were always going to. 3-4-3 made us dangerous out wide and the tweak worked because we got over the line. Same for the Hennessey call as well. He'll be the first manager to take charge at 2 international tournaments, and the first to do a Euros and a WC. It's making me wonder, after the World Cup does he have much reason to stay? No and he shouldn’t really. International football for a young manager is always a short term affair with contracts lasting to the end of the next tournament cycle, with such a limited range of outcomes that can be defined as “success” (let’s face it we are never going to be contenders to win a tournament) once you’ve qualified for the Euros and the World Cup you’ve done the lot and should probably move on for the sake of your own career before you stay long enough to make yourself public enemy number one. Even as a fan it feels different now. All those years where the World Cup has been the holy grail, now it’s been done it feels like, if it were a video game, Welsh football would have been completed and the credits would be rolling. What I can’t get over is that this feeling of having completed Welsh international football will have been achieved in just an 8 year window. So for someone born in 1998, from the age of 14 (as they would start being able to properly take it all in) they would only have really known success, bar the ROI game. I kind of feel that in many ways that for me it was all about the journey and the agony of glorious defeat rather than the success. The endless mickey taking by English friends with me promising them “this time next campaign, we’ll be top of the group!” but of course we never were. That’s all over now, it’s all been done. In 6 years. Mental. Not to sound churlish but that attitude seems a little defeatist maybe. It's an incredible feeling to finally qualify for a WC, but there's every possibility we could advance from the group when we get there, as we have done at the previous two major tournaments we qualified for. Then who knows in a one-off knockout game. Going on a little run would be a huge W for us, as it would be for most sides at the tournament. It's far from over for Pagey yet. |
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Post by iantov on Jun 6, 2022 16:49:31 GMT
It was really tense and we rode our luck at times, certainly with the penalty appeal but it's about time something went our way.
After so many years of personally witnessing last-minute failures, (apart from Anfield - I'm not that old...! just not quite old enough to travel....!), I'm not embarrassed to admit that I blubbed like a baby at the final whistle last night. Absolutely wonderful feeling to qualify for the World Cup in my lifetime and I really can't wait for it.
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Post by morg on Jun 6, 2022 17:00:09 GMT
It was really tense and we rode our luck at times, certainly with the penalty appeal but it's about time something went our way. After so many years of personally witnessing last-minute failures, (apart from Anfield - I'm not that old...! just not quite old enough to travel....!), I'm not embarrassed to admit that I blubbed like a baby at the final whistle last night. Absolutely wonderful feeling to qualify for the World Cup in my lifetime and I really can't wait for it. Re the penalty appeal. Allen in possession and in the act of clearing, catches Yarmolenko who'd run from behind him. Yarmolenko then makes a meal of it. At no point does Allen look at him. Would have been a harsh one for me. Also, on second viewing.. Think we had the better chances overall. Think they probably had 1 "he's got to score moment" whereas we had at least 2 via Bale and Ramsey |
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Post by rangers15 on Jun 6, 2022 17:04:07 GMT
It was really tense and we rode our luck at times, certainly with the penalty appeal but it's about time something went our way. After so many years of personally witnessing last-minute failures, (apart from Anfield - I'm not that old...! just not quite old enough to travel....!), I'm not embarrassed to admit that I blubbed like a baby at the final whistle last night. Absolutely wonderful feeling to qualify for the World Cup in my lifetime and I really can't wait for it. I too had watery eyes when that whistle blew... it was a different emotion to qualifying for the euros in 2016... that was pure unbridled joy. this time it was different... which i'm struggling to put into words. i just cant wait to actually watch a world cup and see "little old Wales" there. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 6, 2022 17:05:49 GMT
It was really tense and we rode our luck at times, certainly with the penalty appeal but it's about time something went our way. After so many years of personally witnessing last-minute failures, (apart from Anfield - I'm not that old...! just not quite old enough to travel....!), I'm not embarrassed to admit that I blubbed like a baby at the final whistle last night. Absolutely wonderful feeling to qualify for the World Cup in my lifetime and I really can't wait for it. Re the penalty appeal. Allen in possession and in the act of clearing, catches Yarmolenko who'd run from behind him. Yarmolenko then makes a meal of it. At no point does Allen look at him. Would have been a harsh one for me. Also, on second viewing.. Think we had the better chances overall. Think they probably had 1 "he's got to score moment" whereas we had at least 2 via Bale and Ramsey Yeah agree it's not a penalty. Yarmolenko is looking for it and just kicks the ball to his player anyway, Allen isn't impeding any action that wouldn't have happened whether contact is made or not, Yarmolenko then proceeds to make a meal out of it. Not a penalty, right decision but the dodgy ref despite there being some contact |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 6, 2022 17:10:05 GMT
Congratulations to all of you, what a night! I think you’ll do well in Qatar tbh, Page seems like a real palette cleanser from a character like Giggs and has done a fantastic job. Hopefully Brooksy will be well again by then and be able to play a part too. Diolch! Once Brooksy is back in the frame we'll have a real selection headache. Before his illness he was almost a cert for the starting XI, now he's back he'll almost definitely not be in the XI to begin with, or at least will have to work his way back in - which he is good enough to do What I will say is that we're really lucky that when Bale & Ramsey retire, we now have a full set of options to replace them; Brennan, James, Wilson, Brooks, Colwill and probably a few more will be vying for places and that's fantastic news for us |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 6, 2022 17:10:47 GMT
Everything you just said about Ramsey's performance is both true and the entire reason he doesn't work in a two. He creates those chances because he takes chances and playing in a two, sometimes finds himself taking chances in areas that he frankly shouldn't as there isn't the bodies and time behind him to cover it. Agree on Hennessey's final save completely. Yep, watched back today and saw a number of good things. His natural game is to go forward and the extra responsibility of playing in a two was too much. Good thing was that he lasted 96 minutes without too much fuss and if he'd put that chance away, we'd have a different outlook. Could still be a big player for us. I'm really surprised Morrell didn't come on for him at around 60 mins to sure things up a bit, but credit to Rambo for making the 90 |
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Post by iot on Jun 6, 2022 17:14:13 GMT
On Ramsey's performance, I came away from the stadium yesterday feeling exactly the same way. I thought he had a stinker with his touch all over the place. However watching the game back this morning, he was actually a lot better than I realised. He had a good first 10 mins when Ukraine were dominant, where he must have dispossessed them 3 or 4 times. He then had a terrible middle part to the first half where he lost the ball a few times and put us under pressure. But there were lots of other good moments during the rest of the game. He should have scored, but it was he who got himself into that position for that massive chance. He did brilliantly to set up the other massive chance for bale. There was another time where he did really well to set up Wilson at the end where he won that free kick, there was the brilliant cross he put in in the first half that no one got on the end of, and another brilliant touch in the box and a dangerous ball across the 6 yard box that was cut out. So all in all, he won back possession way more than I remembered and was involved in creating 4 or 5 good to half chances. Disagree with you and insertname on Hennessey's save from that header - it was an incredible save. It doesn't look as good in slow motion, but in real time you could see it was a bullet header from point blank range and hennessey had to react really quickly. It was the type of chance where more often than not the keeper wouldn't have saved it. Everything you just said about Ramsey's performance is both true and the entire reason he doesn't work in a two. He creates those chances because he takes chances and playing in a two, sometimes finds himself taking chances in areas that he frankly shouldn't as there isn't the bodies and time behind him to cover it. Agree on Hennessey's final save completely. Sort of agree, although his best season was I think 13/14 where he played as part of a double-pivot in midfield for Arsenal just behind Ozil. That was different though, as having Ozil in there made it a midfield 3, and he did have freedom to push up. He's never been a natural 10 for me. He prefers having the ball in space or making those Lampard-type runs into the box, he's never been an Ozil-type 10. But agree with you and Cadno, he's best in a midfield three in the formation we've been playing up until yesterday, where he has more freedom to roam but can also pick the ball up in deep positions |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 6, 2022 17:23:03 GMT
It was really tense and we rode our luck at times, certainly with the penalty appeal but it's about time something went our way. After so many years of personally witnessing last-minute failures, (apart from Anfield - I'm not that old...! just not quite old enough to travel....!), I'm not embarrassed to admit that I blubbed like a baby at the final whistle last night. Absolutely wonderful feeling to qualify for the World Cup in my lifetime and I really can't wait for it. Honestly did anyone not cry as the final whistle went and those incredible scenes played out? It all got a bit much even for the S4C broadcast team at the end; with Malc, Gwennan, and John Hartson in particular all struggling. I remember blubbing similarly as a kid way back in '93. Funny how tears can transcend emotions at extreme opposite ends of the scale like that. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 6, 2022 17:27:04 GMT
Everything you just said about Ramsey's performance is both true and the entire reason he doesn't work in a two. He creates those chances because he takes chances and playing in a two, sometimes finds himself taking chances in areas that he frankly shouldn't as there isn't the bodies and time behind him to cover it. Agree on Hennessey's final save completely. Sort of agree, although his best season was I think 13/14 where he played as part of a double-pivot in midfield for Arsenal just behind Ozil. That was different though, as having Ozil in there made it a midfield 3, and he did have freedom to push up. He's never been a natural 10 for me. He prefers having the ball in space or making those Lampard-type runs into the box, he's never been an Ozil-type 10. But agree with you and Cadno, he's best in a midfield three in the formation we've been playing up until yesterday, where he has more freedom to roam but can also pick the ball up in deep positions Yeah he's defo better when it's a 3, him Allen & Wilson is a great 3 that works really well. Our performance against Austria was great with the 3 of them in the midfield - Rambo and Wilson as 8s with the freedom to go forward is the one I think the tactical tweak yesterday was understandable, and I dare say him in the same role would have worked better if he was sharper and had kept the ball better. He wasn't ever caught out of positioning when Ukraine had the ball, and he actually did a good job wining the ball back for us. So I don't buy the narrative that he can't play in a 2. Just needs sharpness and to not lose the ball in dangerous areas like he did yesterday, and tbf he normally doesn't do that |
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Post by iot on Jun 6, 2022 17:47:24 GMT
Sort of agree, although his best season was I think 13/14 where he played as part of a double-pivot in midfield for Arsenal just behind Ozil. That was different though, as having Ozil in there made it a midfield 3, and he did have freedom to push up. He's never been a natural 10 for me. He prefers having the ball in space or making those Lampard-type runs into the box, he's never been an Ozil-type 10. But agree with you and Cadno, he's best in a midfield three in the formation we've been playing up until yesterday, where he has more freedom to roam but can also pick the ball up in deep positions Yeah he's defo better when it's a 3, him Allen & Wilson is a great 3 that works really well. Our performance against Austria was great with the 3 of them in the midfield - Rambo and Wilson as 8s with the freedom to go forward is the one I think the tactical tweak yesterday was understandable, and I dare say him in the same role would have worked better if he was sharper and had kept the ball better. He wasn't ever caught out of positioning when Ukraine had the ball, and he actually did a good job wining the ball back for us. So I don't buy the narrative that he can't play in a 2. Just needs sharpness and to not lose the ball in dangerous areas like he did yesterday, and tbf he normally doesn't do that Yeah that's a fair point, he was never caught out positionally despite making those advanced runs into the box |
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Post by insertname on Jun 6, 2022 17:57:18 GMT
No and he shouldn’t really. International football for a young manager is always a short term affair with contracts lasting to the end of the next tournament cycle, with such a limited range of outcomes that can be defined as “success” (let’s face it we are never going to be contenders to win a tournament) once you’ve qualified for the Euros and the World Cup you’ve done the lot and should probably move on for the sake of your own career before you stay long enough to make yourself public enemy number one. Even as a fan it feels different now. All those years where the World Cup has been the holy grail, now it’s been done it feels like, if it were a video game, Welsh football would have been completed and the credits would be rolling. What I can’t get over is that this feeling of having completed Welsh international football will have been achieved in just an 8 year window. So for someone born in 1998, from the age of 14 (as they would start being able to properly take it all in) they would only have really known success, bar the ROI game. I kind of feel that in many ways that for me it was all about the journey and the agony of glorious defeat rather than the success. The endless mickey taking by English friends with me promising them “this time next campaign, we’ll be top of the group!” but of course we never were. That’s all over now, it’s all been done. In 6 years. Mental. Not to sound churlish but that attitude seems a little defeatist maybe. It's an incredible feeling to finally qualify for a WC, but there's every possibility we could advance from the group when we get there, as we have done at the previous two major tournaments we qualified for. Then who knows in a one-off knockout game. Going on a little run would be a huge W for us, as it would be for most sides at the tournament. It's far from over for Pagey yet. I wasn’t suggesting he shouldn’t see the WC out. But what about afterwards? Not much left for him to achieve really apart from winning a tournament, which let’s be fair is not really a realistic ambition for the manager of Wales. The draw for the WC has been relatively kind, Iran looks like the danger game as they are a lot better on paper than some would think but if we can take our home form to the World Cup then we should qualify. But I don’t know what the next challenge for him would be after that. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 6, 2022 19:44:44 GMT
Not to sound churlish but that attitude seems a little defeatist maybe. It's an incredible feeling to finally qualify for a WC, but there's every possibility we could advance from the group when we get there, as we have done at the previous two major tournaments we qualified for. Then who knows in a one-off knockout game. Going on a little run would be a huge W for us, as it would be for most sides at the tournament. It's far from over for Pagey yet. I wasn’t suggesting he shouldn’t see the WC out. But what about afterwards? Not much left for him to achieve really apart from winning a tournament, which let’s be fair is not really a realistic ambition for the manager of Wales. The draw for the WC has been relatively kind, Iran looks like the danger game as they are a lot better on paper than some would think but if we can take our home form to the World Cup then we should qualify. But I don’t know what the next challenge for him would be after that. If we get top seeding in the next Euros draw, he might feel it's worth sticking out another campaign, as we'd likely be heavy favourites to qualify again so it's an easy path to getting more success on your CV. It would be another piece of history too, and he could set a record that others would find hard to beat in future - managing at 3 tournaments back to back. He has also demonstrated that he's still learning as a manager and seems to have improved tactically since the Euros, so maybe he will want to continue to develop for a little longer in a comfortable and successful environment before he goes back to club football |
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Post by cymro on Jun 6, 2022 20:22:32 GMT
The most gruelling match I've watched live. Even down to that 95th minute, it was horrendously nerve wracking but heroic. The elation at the final whistle as our boys collapsed to the ground was insane and watching the staff and squad run on the pitch in ecstacy was the thing of dreams. What more can you say. Special memories that need to be savoured. Plenty of envious eyes on us right now, enjoy it. Little old Wales will be playing at the World Cup!!!
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Post by insertname on Jun 6, 2022 22:40:09 GMT
Re the penalty appeal. Allen in possession and in the act of clearing, catches Yarmolenko who'd run from behind him. Yarmolenko then makes a meal of it. At no point does Allen look at him. Would have been a harsh one for me. Also, on second viewing.. Think we had the better chances overall. Think they probably had 1 "he's got to score moment" whereas we had at least 2 via Bale and Ramsey Yeah agree it's not a penalty. Yarmolenko is looking for it and just kicks the ball to his player anyway, Allen isn't impeding any action that wouldn't have happened whether contact is made or not, Yarmolenko then proceeds to make a meal out of it. Not a penalty, right decision but the dodgy ref despite there being some contact The whole contact in the box bollocks is what makes people think it’s a penalty imo. I wish we could get away from that nonsense, it’s a contact sport but it’s being ruined by making players “untackleable” in the penalty area. Contact in the box should be significant to the point where it actually impedes the player. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 6, 2022 22:44:07 GMT
I wasn’t suggesting he shouldn’t see the WC out. But what about afterwards? Not much left for him to achieve really apart from winning a tournament, which let’s be fair is not really a realistic ambition for the manager of Wales. The draw for the WC has been relatively kind, Iran looks like the danger game as they are a lot better on paper than some would think but if we can take our home form to the World Cup then we should qualify. But I don’t know what the next challenge for him would be after that. If we get top seeding in the next Euros draw, he might feel it's worth sticking out another campaign, as we'd likely be heavy favourites to qualify again so it's an easy path to getting more success on your CV. It would be another piece of history too, and he could set a record that others would find hard to beat in future - managing at 3 tournaments back to back. He has also demonstrated that he's still learning as a manager and seems to have improved tactically since the Euros, so maybe he will want to continue to develop for a little longer in a comfortable and successful environment before he goes back to club football Hmm…I would wonder what more that would do for him considering as top seeds with a 24 team format the Euros qualification shouldn’t really be that much of a challenge from a start of that strength. As we know in managerial terms it’s about getting out while your stock is highest to attract the biggest club job you can get and I’m not sure his stock could get much higher than right now. If we had a nightmare campaign next time round he’ll be back to being yesterday’s chip wrapping. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 6, 2022 23:13:55 GMT
Not to derail the discussion but Dan James really has to get a handle on his discipline moving forwards. I didn't see initially how he got his early yellow card. Re-watching the opening minutes you can see him running right up to the referee and screaming F*CK OFF!! in his face as Allen's getting his yellow. Twp ofnadwy. With a different ref that could have got him a straight red in one of the biggest games of his life.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 6, 2022 23:18:37 GMT
Not to derail the discussion but Dan James really has to get a handle on his discipline moving forwards. I didn't see initially how he got his early yellow card. Re-watching the opening minutes you can see him running right up to the referee and screaming F*CK OFF!! in his face as Allen's getting his yellow. Twp ofnadwy. With a different ref that could have got him a straight red in one of the biggest games of his life. He won the free kick which is obviously great but he made a lot of mistakes in the first half. I’m surprised he started ahead of Johnson for me Johnson should always start ahead of him |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 7, 2022 1:18:23 GMT
Not to derail the discussion but Dan James really has to get a handle on his discipline moving forwards. I didn't see initially how he got his early yellow card. Re-watching the opening minutes you can see him running right up to the referee and screaming F*CK OFF!! in his face as Allen's getting his yellow. Twp ofnadwy. With a different ref that could have got him a straight red in one of the biggest games of his life. He won the free kick which is obviously great but he made a lot of mistakes in the first half. I’m surprised he started ahead of Johnson for me Johnson should always start ahead of him I do like what he offers in terms of his pace and work rate, as has been discussed a lot on here. Obviously it's great having Brennan as an option and he will soon become one of the first names on the teamsheet anyway. |
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Post by morg on Jun 7, 2022 6:33:22 GMT
[quote author=" mrpicton79" source="/post Was going to post similar re Dan James. With another ref he could have had a 2nd yellow later on where he went looking for obstruction and led with his forearm. Harry Wilson is similar. Petulant.. Incidentally, thought the ref had a decent game. Could have booked a couple of more Ukrainians but on the whole, let it flow and didn't book Kieffer Moore ! |
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Post by rangers15 on Jun 7, 2022 13:25:34 GMT
[quote author=" mrpicton79 " source="/post Was going to post similar re Dan James. With another ref he could have had a 2nd yellow later on where he went looking for obstruction and led with his forearm. Harry Wilson is similar. Petulant.. Incidentally, thought the ref had a decent game. Could have booked a couple of more Ukrainians but on the whole, let it flow and didn't book Kieffer Moore ! i actually thought Moore played within himself when jumping for the ball... obviously the possibility (and probability in all fairness) of a card made him actively avoid making contact with defenders in the air. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 7, 2022 14:37:33 GMT
[quote author=" mrpicton79 " source="/post Was going to post similar re Dan James. With another ref he could have had a 2nd yellow later on where he went looking for obstruction and led with his forearm. Harry Wilson is similar. Petulant.. Incidentally, thought the ref had a decent game. Could have booked a couple of more Ukrainians but on the whole, let it flow and didn't book Kieffer Moore ! i actually thought Moore played within himself when jumping for the ball... obviously the possibility (and probability in all fairness) of a card made him actively avoid making contact with defenders in the air. Thank fuck someone on that pitch was in possession of a brain then! Imagine Allen making that challenge in the second minute then James throwing his weight around. It’s like no-one researches the ref. Imo we were on a knife edge of getting a red- if that ref had given the pen it could have even been a second yellow. When you see what gets classed as a pen these days it could quite easily have been given. In the end, the ref rather did us a solid there. Some long overdue payback for “the hand of Jock” at anfield perhaps! |
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Post by toshfan on Jun 7, 2022 14:43:09 GMT
It’s like no-one researches the ref. I concur. I have not always got the impression that we have understood that Continental Referees are stricter in their application of law than ones in the English pyramid. This was a Referee not to be messed with. Loads of supporters around me were complaining but he got all of the big decisions right with arguably 2 exceptions. (1) I am relieved that Daniel James received a caution and not a red card. (2) I thought it was a penalty. Very subjective of course but most of my referee friends agree that it was. PHEW!!! |
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Post by rangers15 on Jun 7, 2022 14:46:11 GMT
put it this way... if we hadnt got a penalty for that i would be spewing.
defo a pen for me... but like has been mentioned... we deserve a bit of luck.
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