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Post by insertname on Jun 7, 2022 16:09:37 GMT
It’s like no-one researches the ref. I concur. I have not always got the impression that we have understood that Continental Referees are stricter in their application of law than ones in the English pyramid. This was a Referee not to be messed with. Loads of supporters around me were complaining but he got all of the big decisions right with arguably 2 exceptions. (1) I am relieved that Daniel James received a caution and not a red card. (2) I thought it was a penalty. Very subjective of course but most of my referee friends agree that it was. PHEW!!! It’s huge in rugby and the way you see players act both in rugby and football and it’s like with all the top science and psychology they use to get an advantage the one thing they can easily do it seems they neglect to! I’m not sure I totally agree on the ref Tosh, having a guy with 5 reds in 9 games reffing you is not good for the game I feel as a ref like that is a potential ticking time bomb…but saying that I actually think we came out on the right side of him just about! Won’t be happy to see his name associated with us in future matches though. Wrt to James- do the rules support a red card for that level of abuse then? My step dad (an England fan) was calling for James to be sent off but I think that was more in hope than any regard for the actual rules! |
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Post by toshfan on Jun 7, 2022 16:40:58 GMT
I’m not sure I totally agree on the ref Tosh, having a guy with 5 reds in 9 games reffing you is not good for the game I feel as a ref like that is a potential ticking time bomb…but saying that I actually think we came out on the right side of him just about! Won’t be happy to see his name associated with us in future matches though. He has a style that is very strict. It is for Teams to have the sense to remember that. He is not alone. There are a number of Continental Referees who do not mess around. Generally, I have no issue with card count if the sanctions can be justified in law. It comes down to tolerance levels within the confines of law 12. Daniel James has done enough - in law - to warrant being sent off for using abusive, insulting and offensive language but the referee has chosen to deal with it as dissent. Both could be justified in law but Daniel James is very fortunate. |
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Post by cymro on Jun 7, 2022 17:25:34 GMT
I guess no ref wants to give a red card in the 2nd minute unless it's completely unavoidable. May have been a different story if it was later on.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2022 18:05:50 GMT
[quote author=" mrpicton79 " source="/post Was going to post similar re Dan James. With another ref he could have had a 2nd yellow later on where he went looking for obstruction and led with his forearm. Harry Wilson is similar. Petulant.. Incidentally, thought the ref had a decent game. Could have booked a couple of more Ukrainians but on the whole, let it flow and didn't book Kieffer Moore ! i actually thought Moore played within himself when jumping for the ball... obviously the possibility (and probability in all fairness) of a card made him actively avoid making contact with defenders in the air. I think he knew the ref was strict and he was on best behaviour, knew he'd barely have to do anything to get booked. I think he played it smart. Not his best game, but can't underestimate his presence alone gets us up the pitch. He still did win a few headers too that found team mates |
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Post by morg on Jun 7, 2022 18:12:30 GMT
i actually thought Moore played within himself when jumping for the ball... obviously the possibility (and probability in all fairness) of a card made him actively avoid making contact with defenders in the air. I think he knew the ref was strict and he was on best behaviour, knew he'd barely have to do anything to get booked. I think he played it smart. Not his best game, but can't underestimate his presence alone gets us up the pitch. He still did win a few headers too that found team mates How come Dan James didn't get the memo then? Way it's going, if he can't self regulate, nearest team mate will have to be tasked with dragging him away immediately. |
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Post by notpropaganda on Jun 8, 2022 7:13:55 GMT
Long time since I logged in here but just wanted to pass on congrats from across the Irish Sea, it's mad to see the difference in fortunes for our two nations since those bad tempered games in 2017 but amazing scenes the other night. Hopefully we can get back to challenging for qualification by the next World Cup cycle.
Best of luck in Qatar, bit of a shite host imo but I know yous won't care nor should you!
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Post by insertname on Jun 8, 2022 8:41:28 GMT
Long time since I logged in here but just wanted to pass on congrats from across the Irish Sea, it's mad to see the difference in fortunes for our two nations since those bad tempered games in 2017 but amazing scenes the other night. Hopefully we can get back to challenging for qualification by the next World Cup cycle. Best of luck in Qatar, bit of a shite host imo but I know yous won't care nor should you! It’s typical Wales to qualify for a winter World Cup in an absolute arsehole of a country. As far as I’m concerned whoever wins this one will have an asterisk next to their name! But yeah, we’ll take it. All the best yerself- seems like you lot might be on the way back. Football is nothing if not cyclical in nature so I daresay we’ll be at home watching you on TV at a finals soon enough |
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Post by cymro on Jun 8, 2022 9:28:36 GMT
Long time since I logged in here but just wanted to pass on congrats from across the Irish Sea, it's mad to see the difference in fortunes for our two nations since those bad tempered games in 2017 but amazing scenes the other night. Hopefully we can get back to challenging for qualification by the next World Cup cycle. Best of luck in Qatar, bit of a shite host imo but I know yous won't care nor should you! Thank you for the kind words. By the way if you're on the YBIG forum, have a word with a few of your Irish lads who are vocally supporting England to smash Wales at the world cup. Jesus wept!! If nothing else it's good to see how much our success in the last 4 years is causing so much envy.  Sure Ireland will be back competing soon. |
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2022 18:05:09 GMT
Been reading a few articles, forums and social media stuff since this game. And I'm very surprised with the constant dialogue that Ukraine 'outplayed' us and we completely 'robbed' them.
I think we rode our luck at times, but I think it's fair to say that we had equally as many goal scoring chances as they had - Ramsey should have scored, Bale possibly should have scored and Johnson hit the post.
Yes, Hennessey made a lot of saves, but half of them were pretty straightforward.
It's just p*ssed me off a bit, because imo, we HAVE made the World Cup on merit, not luck like many are saying.
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Post by melynwy on Jun 9, 2022 18:33:49 GMT
It’s typical Wales to qualify for a winter World Cup in an absolute arsehole of a country. I really hope that I’m missing the joke here, or that’s the maddest thing I’ve read all week! How, in any way, shape or form is that “typical Wales”?! It’s pretty much the least typical Wales thing I’ve ever seen. Qualifying for a tournament was not typical Wales until very recently. But, typically, when we have qualified, they have not been in an “absolute arsehole of a country”. In fact, one wasn’t even in a country at all. And Winter World Cups are not typical at all. In fact, there has never ever been one. Or has the word ‘typical’ come to mean the opposite? |
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Post by cynonvalley on Jun 9, 2022 18:48:15 GMT
I'm not going to Qatar. If it was somewhere else - Australia only got one vote!! - I would be more likely to go
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Post by insertname on Jun 9, 2022 19:03:14 GMT
It’s typical Wales to qualify for a winter World Cup in an absolute arsehole of a country. I really hope that I’m missing the joke here, or that’s the maddest thing I’ve read all week! How, in any way, shape or form is that “typical Wales”?! It’s pretty much the least typical Wales thing I’ve ever seen. Qualifying for a tournament was not typical Wales until very recently. But, typically, when we have qualified, they have not been in an “absolute arsehole of a country”. In fact, one wasn’t even in a country at all. And Winter World Cups are not typical at all. In fact, there has never ever been one. Or has the word ‘typical’ come to mean the opposite? Typical Wales because even in finally qualifying there is a “jokes on us” aspect that we aren’t going to get the summer World Cup experience that everyone has had since time immemorial. A winter World Cup is unique yes- but is that really a good thing? Mixing Christmas shoppers and winter weather with what is usually an outdoors/sunny experience? Also it’s in an arsehole country where there are human rights issues, expense issues and alcohol restrictions to the point where because of one of those reasons, or even all three, plenty will give it a miss. Of all the world cups we could qualify for….we qualified for this one! Ultimately each person will have their own view on it. For me personally, I think it’s a shocking place to hold a World Cup for many reasons and I’m not so fussed about the tournament itself, I’m not even bothered if England win it because we all know it’s only being held there in winter because of rampant malpractice in Fifa circles. For me just qualifying was the entire point. |
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Post by melynwy on Jun 9, 2022 19:26:44 GMT
I really hope that I’m missing the joke here, or that’s the maddest thing I’ve read all week! How, in any way, shape or form is that “typical Wales”?! It’s pretty much the least typical Wales thing I’ve ever seen. Qualifying for a tournament was not typical Wales until very recently. But, typically, when we have qualified, they have not been in an “absolute arsehole of a country”. In fact, one wasn’t even in a country at all. And Winter World Cups are not typical at all. In fact, there has never ever been one. Or has the word ‘typical’ come to mean the opposite? Typical Wales because even in finally qualifying there is a “jokes on us” aspect that we aren’t going to get the summer World Cup experience that everyone has had since time immemorial. A winter World Cup is unique yes- but is that really a good thing? Mixing Christmas shoppers and winter weather with what is usually an outdoors/sunny experience? Also it’s in an arsehole country where there are human rights issues, expense issues and alcohol restrictions to the point where because of one of those reasons, or even all three, plenty will give it a miss. Of all the world cups we could qualify for….we qualified for this one! Ultimately each person will have their own view on it. For me personally, I think it’s a shocking place to hold a World Cup for many reasons and I’m not so fussed about the tournament itself, I’m not even bothered if England win it because we all know it’s only being held there in winter because of rampant malpractice in Fifa circles. For me just qualifying was the entire point. I agree with most of what you say. But there's nothing 'typical Wales' about it! It's as far from typical as you can get. |
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Post by cymro on Jun 9, 2022 19:46:54 GMT
Been reading a few articles, forums and social media stuff since this game. And I'm very surprised with the constant dialogue that Ukraine 'outplayed' us and we completely 'robbed' them. I think we rode our luck at times, but I think it's fair to say that we had equally as many goal scoring chances as they had - Ramsey should have scored, Bale possibly should have scored and Johnson hit the post. Yes, Hennessey made a lot of saves, but half of them were pretty straightforward. It's just p*ssed me off a bit, because imo, we HAVE made the World Cup on merit, not luck like many are saying. Doesn't really matter. A win is a win. Johnson hit the post and Ramsey missed a sitter, so anyone complaining about Ukraine being "robbed" are just green with envy and can't fathom that Wales are in the world cup whilst the likes of Italy, Scotland (and even Ireland  ) are sitting at home. I'll enjoy it! |
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Post by jackanapes on Jun 9, 2022 20:17:02 GMT
Been reading a few articles, forums and social media stuff since this game. And I'm very surprised with the constant dialogue that Ukraine 'outplayed' us and we completely 'robbed' them. I think we rode our luck at times, but I think it's fair to say that we had equally as many goal scoring chances as they had - Ramsey should have scored, Bale possibly should have scored and Johnson hit the post. Yes, Hennessey made a lot of saves, but half of them were pretty straightforward. It's just p*ssed me off a bit, because imo, we HAVE made the World Cup on merit, not luck like many are saying. I completely agree. I think people find it difficult to separate the emotion and panic of watching a game from an objective assessment. The number of bad takes on the penalty alone is ridiculous. As a Swans fan I’ve seen acts of GBH ignored this season with the defender getting none of the ball. You won't convince me that a forward nicking the ball off a defender who is clearing a ball and has clearly not seen the attacker, deserves a penalty. Contact was minimal, he was going away from goal, the ball was played to a teammate, and he initiated the coming together by contesting the ball. The most important part of refereeing is the discretion to apply common sense to a situation. Would that be awarded if Allen was an England player and Yarmolenko was playing for Luxembourg? No. But it just might have been given the other way. |
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Post by rushy on Jun 9, 2022 20:39:33 GMT
I'm not going to Qatar. If it was somewhere else - Australia only got one vote!! - I would be more likely to go Yes indeed, I would have gone to USA if it wasn't for Bodin's penalty miss, but I just don't feel comfortable going to such controversial place, the risk is too great ! |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 9, 2022 21:48:10 GMT
I'm not going to Qatar. If it was somewhere else - Australia only got one vote!! - I would be more likely to go I'd love to go but unlikely as I can't justify the cost plus I have other reservations about going. I would probably be more inclined to go if it was in Europe, North America or Australia. |
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Post by insertname on Jun 9, 2022 22:02:54 GMT
I'm not going to Qatar. If it was somewhere else - Australia only got one vote!! - I would be more likely to go Yes indeed, I would have gone to USA if it wasn't for Bodin's penalty miss, but I just don't feel comfortable going to such controversial place, the risk is too great ! WC 94 really was the one that got away. Russia too would have been fantastic. Now the high of the game is over for me it’s a bit “Qatar…in winter 😒”. But hey, qualifying for a 32 team World Cup, given how tough the schedule is for a team like us is a massive achievement and that can’t be diminished by imperfect aspects of the finals itself. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 10, 2022 8:53:11 GMT
Its a HUGE achievement for a country our size. BLODDY MASSIVE MUN!
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Post by quetzal on Jun 10, 2022 11:19:30 GMT
Watched the game again on that footyfull website. Hennessey had a solid game but none of his saves were worldies. Ben Davies blocking and last ditch tackles were something else. Neco also as had a world class game. Ben Davies 10/10, Hennessey 9 and a half and Neco 9/10
Davies was on a mission.
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Post by rossettred on Jun 10, 2022 12:15:02 GMT
We shouldn’t diminish any aspect of qualification.
Because it came down to a winner takes all vs Ukraine, it’s easy for some people to forget or not have an appreciation of how we got to that place … previous campaigns to ensure the second seeding in the group, then our performances in the group. 4 pts from the Czechs including the vital home win against them, after we lost the opener away in Belgium. Bales injury time winner away in Belarus. The home draw vs Belgium to secure second place and the all important home tie in the play off semi.
Then we have to beat two very good teams in Austria and Ukraine to actually qualify.
Yes we had some (overdue) luck along the way, not least the home draw in the play off final and avoiding Italy/Portugal. And some refs would have given the pen for Allen’s challenge.
But only 13 European teams make the World Cup and if your in the 13, your there on merit
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Post by morg on Jun 10, 2022 12:58:44 GMT
We shouldn’t diminish any aspect of qualification. Because it came down to a winner takes all vs Ukraine, it’s easy for some people to forget or not have an appreciation of how we got to that place … previous campaigns to ensure the second seeding in the group, then our performances in the group. 4 pts from the Czechs including the vital home win against them, after we lost the opener away in Belgium. Bales injury time winner away in Belarus. The home draw vs Belgium to secure second place and the all important home tie in the play off semi. Then we have to beat two very good teams in Austria and Ukraine to actually qualify. Yes we had some (overdue) luck along the way, not least the home draw in the play off final and avoiding Italy/Portugal. And some refs would have given the pen for Allen’s challenge. But only 13 European teams make the World Cup and if your in the 13, your there on merit And all this with the ongoing doubt regarding our managerial position, only 2/3 Premier League regulars in our first XI and with several of our key players e.g.Hennessey/Ward, Rodon, Ramsey and Bale suffering from a chronic lack of game time. Fantastic achievement and every team needs some luck along the way. Would England have made reference to their amount of home games if they'd won the Euros? |
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Post by toshfan on Jun 10, 2022 13:06:01 GMT
Watched the game again on that footyfull website. Hennessey had a solid game but none of his saves were worldies. Ben Davies blocking and last ditch tackles were something else. Neco also as had a world class game. Ben Davies 10/10, Hennessey 9 and a half and Neco 9/10 Davies was on a mission. There was a worldie in the 2nd half. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jun 10, 2022 13:09:27 GMT
Glad that Ukraine beat Ireland the other night - lifts their spirits, hopefully. Heard too that they and their fans got a good reception from the Irish crowd, as they did us from us in Cardiff.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 10, 2022 15:16:53 GMT
Watched the game again on that footyfull website. Hennessey had a solid game but none of his saves were worldies. Ben Davies blocking and last ditch tackles were something else. Neco also as had a world class game. Ben Davies 10/10, Hennessey 9 and a half and Neco 9/10 Davies was on a mission. Best left sided centre-half in world football in a back 3 - aside from possibly Laporte or Alaba |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 10, 2022 16:23:50 GMT
Watched the game again on that footyfull website. Hennessey had a solid game but none of his saves were worldies. Ben Davies blocking and last ditch tackles were something else. Neco also as had a world class game. Ben Davies 10/10, Hennessey 9 and a half and Neco 9/10 Davies was on a mission. There was a worldie in the 2nd half. 83 mins looked brilliant in the stadium and had to be dealt with. Looking at the replay and taking away the nerves. I think it’s good contact by the Ukrainian but the direction was a bit central. You wouldn’t want to give that chance to a Benzema. |
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Post by saints19 on Jun 10, 2022 17:15:02 GMT
Long time since I logged in here but just wanted to pass on congrats from across the Irish Sea, it's mad to see the difference in fortunes for our two nations since those bad tempered games in 2017 but amazing scenes the other night. Hopefully we can get back to challenging for qualification by the next World Cup cycle. Best of luck in Qatar, bit of a shite host imo but I know yous won't care nor should you! Cheers, remember how shit we were in the 2000s, it will help in your current position  |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 13, 2022 22:07:22 GMT
Also a big thank you to Welsh fans for not singing ‘Are you watching Ingerlund’. Even in the historical Quarter Final win against Belgium in 2016 it was being sang. It’s a sign we’ve grown up at last. Against Ukraine I heard one guy who was around 50-55 singing it outside the stadium and nobody joined in. Always thought it was super cringey.
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 20, 2022 22:51:50 GMT
Also a big thank you to Welsh fans for not singing ‘Are you watching Ingerlund’. Even in the historical Quarter Final win against Belgium in 2016 it was being sang. It’s a sign we’ve grown up at last. Against Ukraine I heard one guy who was around 50-55 singing it outside the stadium and nobody joined in. Always thought it was super cringey. Context in 2016 was that we were going through to the semi finals having beaten the worlds number 1 ranked side while England got dumped out in the first knock out round by Iceland, after beating us in the group phase. Context is eveything! |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jun 20, 2022 23:25:40 GMT
Also a big thank you to Welsh fans for not singing ‘Are you watching Ingerlund’. Even in the historical Quarter Final win against Belgium in 2016 it was being sang. It’s a sign we’ve grown up at last. Against Ukraine I heard one guy who was around 50-55 singing it outside the stadium and nobody joined in. Always thought it was super cringey. Context in 2016 was that we were going through to the semi finals having beaten the worlds number 1 ranked side while England got dumped out in the first knock out round by Iceland, after beating us in the group phase. Context is eveything! Also some England fans gave us a huge amount of stick after the game in Lens. Some singing about them in Lille was inevitable. |
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