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Post by quetzal on Apr 17, 2022 21:03:08 GMT
Just had a quick look and odds unavailable for new date but old date ‘The previous odds at Bet365 had Scotland priced at 2.37 with Ukraine available at 2.90 and a draw set at 3.40.’
Tierney is out. That is a blow. I think the emotional factor gives Ukraine an edge. Honestly. Look at the Danes after the Eriksen story! Scotland score first. But I think 2-1 to Ukraine after extra time. How many of Ukraine’s first 11 play outside Ukraine? People are talking about match fitness but surely 3 or 4 play outside anyway.
Austria were slight favorites against Wales. I couldn’t work that out.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 17, 2022 22:48:27 GMT
I'll be very surprised if Scotland don't win. It would be a great achievement if Ukraine got through.
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Post by smudger11 on Apr 17, 2022 23:32:39 GMT
With two of their 1st team defenders out I think the sweaties will struggle. I think the Ukraine will have too much for them. Look at the jocks record against top 20 nations who have played their first team squad. They haven’t won for yrs against top 20 teams.
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Post by redsaint on Apr 18, 2022 6:35:11 GMT
With two of their 1st team defenders out I think the sweaties will struggle. I think the Ukraine will have too much for them. Look at the jocks record against top 20 nations who have played their first team squad. They haven’t won for yrs against top 20 teams. Who is out for the jocks? I see Tierny mentioned. |
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Post by smudger11 on Apr 18, 2022 8:39:34 GMT
Likely Patterson will struggle to make it
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Post by cymro on Apr 18, 2022 10:13:45 GMT
Tough to call but I smell an upset on the cards. Scots bottled it in 2 big home games at the Euros 10 months ago. No shame in losing but they were soundly beaten against 2 teams we've had good results against in recent times. The whole world will be watching Ukraine's first competitive match since the invasion, they'll have little to fear of Hampden.
Scotland are definitely a team on the up but they still have some growing pains to get through first I think. This is going to test their mental reserve big time.
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Post by bale-droed on Apr 18, 2022 10:45:15 GMT
Scotland 4 Ukraine 0
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 18, 2022 12:26:17 GMT
Just had a quick look and odds unavailable for new date but old date ‘The previous odds at Bet365 had Scotland priced at 2.37 with Ukraine available at 2.90 and a draw set at 3.40.’ Tierney is out. That is a blow. I think the emotional factor gives Ukraine an edge. Honestly. Look at the Danes after the Eriksen story! Scotland score first. But I think 2-1 to Ukraine after extra time. How many of Ukraine’s first 11 play outside Ukraine? People are talking about match fitness but surely 3 or 4 play outside anyway. Austria were slight favorites against Wales. I couldn’t work that out. It could go either way. Could be Denmark Vs Wales or Denmark Vs Finland. |
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Post by conwy10 on Apr 18, 2022 12:28:50 GMT
Is a huge match for both, even with emotion and motivation they are still limited by their ability, Scotland will be up for it too. Scotland 1-1 Ukraine. Ukraine take it in extra time.
Hopefully then Wales Vs an emotionally and physically drained Ukraine who left everything on the pitch in Scotland.
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Post by saturn9 on Apr 18, 2022 12:55:25 GMT
Penalties. Scots win.
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Post by adecolley on May 8, 2022 8:30:12 GMT
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Post by quetzal on May 16, 2022 15:11:35 GMT
2 weeks and a bit to go for this game. Predictions coming in now from betting/tipping websites. First four I came across were 3-0 Scotland, another two that said Scots by 1 goal and another a 1-1 draw. Scotland clear favorites and rightly so. They got a good home record. What I will say though after the Eurovision public vote, lets hope FIFA are not playing silly buggers and getting a sympathetic referee towards Ukraine.
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Post by allezlesrouges on May 16, 2022 17:35:01 GMT
Prefer a Ukraine win - I don't think the whole situation helps Ukraine in any way at all, and I think they have a worse team than Scotland on paper too
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Post by saturn9 on May 16, 2022 18:38:17 GMT
Can't see the Ukraine putting up to much resistance against the Scots. Jocks will be missing KT and Patterson, which could prove decisive against us😉
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Post by jbt95 on May 16, 2022 18:52:53 GMT
Let's hope it goes to 120mins whatever happens.
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Post by CrackityJones on May 16, 2022 19:27:03 GMT
Kicks off an hour after our game against Poland finishes. Gonna have to find a good sports bar to watch it in Wrocław.
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Post by CymruFach on May 16, 2022 19:27:48 GMT
If Eurovision is anything to go by, if anyone beats Ukraine they will be as popular as whoever shot bambi!
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Post by cogancoronation31 on May 16, 2022 20:04:40 GMT
It was actually Bambi's mum who got shot, not Bambi (sorry to have to digress with some Disney trivia on this thread!)
As for Scots v Ukraine, I think Ukraine will win it on pens after extra time.
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Post by quetzal on May 16, 2022 20:35:37 GMT
Keep an eye on Gilmour. Ankle injury.
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Post by derynglas on May 16, 2022 22:40:28 GMT
Ukraine won 2-1 in Monchengladbach last week.
Playing Empoli tomorrow and Rijeka in Croatia on Wednesday.
Would be a massive achievment for them to get through and play us
which would be a great occasion and theyd have quite a few fans there no doubt.
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Post by caeboy on May 17, 2022 16:49:34 GMT
If Eurovision is anything to go by, if anyone beats Ukraine they will be as popular as whoever shot bambi! yeah, expect the English / UK press to be a big part of the attack if Wales or Scotland beat Ukraine, despite the UK giving Ukraine ‘nil poi’ in Eurovision I believe! |
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Post by CymruFach on May 17, 2022 20:25:42 GMT
100k Rangers fans going to Seville for the cup final.
If Scotland win through, expect Cardiff to be overrun!
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Post by CrackityJones on May 17, 2022 20:50:22 GMT
Aye it’ll be over run but not by Rangers fans. They’ll be too busy watching England replays on YouTube
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Post by quetzal on May 18, 2022 0:08:35 GMT
Ukraine won 2-1 in Monchengladbach last week. Playing Empoli tomorrow and Rijeka in Croatia on Wednesday. Would be a massive achievment for them to get through and play us which would be a great occasion and theyd have quite a few fans there no doubt. 3-1 win today against Empoli. Beat Mönchengladbach the other day. There’s a few people saying Scotland by 3 or 4. Not sure about that tbh. |
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Post by jackanapes on May 18, 2022 7:17:49 GMT
Ukraine won 2-1 in Monchengladbach last week. Playing Empoli tomorrow and Rijeka in Croatia on Wednesday. Would be a massive achievment for them to get through and play us which would be a great occasion and theyd have quite a few fans there no doubt. 3-1 win today against Empoli. Beat Mönchengladbach the other day. There’s a few people saying Scotland by 3 or 4. Not sure about that tbh. It’s impossible to read much into these games. They’re glorified testimonials with the club players already on the beach. The big benefit for Ukraine is developing strong on-field cohesion and understanding. They’re a decent side but have been toothless in most games I’ve seen. Now they have a point to prove and they have got players capable of producing great moments. However, on balance I’d still rather play Ukraine than have Cardiff overrun by paralytic Scots. The reality is that this result is down to how we perform. We have what it takes - we just need to produce it. We have to take luck and the ref out of the equation. |
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Post by insertname on May 18, 2022 11:44:12 GMT
3-1 win today against Empoli. Beat Mönchengladbach the other day. There’s a few people saying Scotland by 3 or 4. Not sure about that tbh. It’s impossible to read much into these games. They’re glorified testimonials with the club players already on the beach. The big benefit for Ukraine is developing strong on-field cohesion and understanding. They’re a decent side but have been toothless in most games I’ve seen. Now they have a point to prove and they have got players capable of producing great moments. However, on balance I’d still rather play Ukraine than have Cardiff overrun by paralytic Scots. The reality is that this result is down to how we perform. We have what it takes - we just need to produce it. We have to take luck and the ref out of the equation. Is it being too curmudgeonly to question the sporting integrity of these friendlies though? 3 or 4 games in quick succession followed by their play off is surely going to give Ukraine a material advantage in terms of cohesion and knowing their role in the system they will employ. I guess the counter point is that I’m not aware of how fit their players playing these friendlies are- if they are all domestically based they will probably not be match fit which neuters the advantage of having much more lead in time than the Scots will get. We’ll have to see how it goes but it’s a concern that if Ukraine get through they could be a well oiled machine by the time they play us especially as we will undoubtedly be playing a mostly shadow XI vs Poland in our only “warm up” game. |
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Post by quetzal on May 18, 2022 13:41:14 GMT
It’s impossible to read much into these games. They’re glorified testimonials with the club players already on the beach. The big benefit for Ukraine is developing strong on-field cohesion and understanding. They’re a decent side but have been toothless in most games I’ve seen. Now they have a point to prove and they have got players capable of producing great moments. However, on balance I’d still rather play Ukraine than have Cardiff overrun by paralytic Scots. The reality is that this result is down to how we perform. We have what it takes - we just need to produce it. We have to take luck and the ref out of the equation. Is it being too curmudgeonly to question the sporting integrity of these friendlies though? 3 or 4 games in quick succession followed by their play off is surely going to give Ukraine a material advantage in terms of cohesion and knowing their role in the system they will employ. I guess the counter point is that I’m not aware of how fit their players playing these friendlies are- if they are all domestically based they will probably not be match fit which neuters the advantage of having much more lead in time than the Scots will get. We’ll have to see how it goes but it’s a concern that if Ukraine get through they could be a well oiled machine by the time they play us especially as we will undoubtedly be playing a mostly shadow XI vs Poland in our only “warm up” game. Match fitness and all that. How many foreign based players in the first 11? And then if they do beat the Scots then that’s it surely. They’ll be up to scratch. |
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Post by insertname on May 18, 2022 15:48:51 GMT
Is it being too curmudgeonly to question the sporting integrity of these friendlies though? 3 or 4 games in quick succession followed by their play off is surely going to give Ukraine a material advantage in terms of cohesion and knowing their role in the system they will employ. I guess the counter point is that I’m not aware of how fit their players playing these friendlies are- if they are all domestically based they will probably not be match fit which neuters the advantage of having much more lead in time than the Scots will get. We’ll have to see how it goes but it’s a concern that if Ukraine get through they could be a well oiled machine by the time they play us especially as we will undoubtedly be playing a mostly shadow XI vs Poland in our only “warm up” game. Match fitness and all that. How many foreign based players in the first 11? And then if they do beat the Scots then that’s it surely. They’ll be up to scratch. The thing with the international windows is that everyone is usually in the same boat: both either playing their 1st of 2 or 2nd of 2 so the adaptation to the international window and rustiness of combinations should be the same. Ukraine will have been working on this stuff over a number of weeks And games. As you say, they’ll be up to scratch should they beat Scotland whereas we will still be getting into gear especially given the team we are likely to field against Poland. |
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Post by welshowl on May 18, 2022 21:44:38 GMT
Glad there's more talk of Ukraine actually having a chance vs Scotland. Worst possible outcome is an easy victory for the Scots, resting key players before the 90 minutes of the semi final are up. I am glad to be in Cymru's position - a few of our players couldn't have played a few days after the Austria semi final.
I wonder how Page will be training Cymru ahead of the final, not being sure who we'll face. Going with the odds, and mostly preparing in anticipation of us facing Scotland? How close will he keep his cards to his chest in our line up in Poland?
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Post by welwyn on May 20, 2022 14:16:29 GMT
Think any talk of this training camp being a planning advantage is probably more true for the game v Scotland than the one v us. Surely they have to prioritise the game in front of them.
Not to mention that you have 3 players in the PL not in this camp plus several in Portugal, Spain & Italy.
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