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Post by conwy10 on Sept 6, 2022 21:09:46 GMT
With the National Team completely outdoing our expectations the last few years I was surprised to see its 9 years to the day since our U21's lost 1-0 to San Marino U21's. That has to be the worst in my opinion. Even though its not a Senior match it destroyed my belief that things can get better in a few years as the next crop of players can't hang with San Marino. Glad I was wrong on that.
Anyone have any other contenders for the worst?
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Post by insertname on Sept 6, 2022 21:22:52 GMT
With the National Team completely outdoing our expectations the last few years I was surprised to see its 9 years to the day since our U21's lost 1-0 to San Marino U21's. That has to be the worst in my opinion. Even though its not a Senior match it destroyed my belief that things can get better in a few years as the next crop of players can't hang with San Marino. Glad I was wrong on that. Anyone have any other contenders for the worst? Did we lose to San Marino only 9 years ago?! I initially thought you were referring to the under 21s in Jimmy Shoulders day, when Kevin Gall played for them. Didn’t they lose or draw 0-0 with San Marino under him? It wasn’t too long after Jimmy Shoulder’s they beat Sweden 4-0 and went on a hell of a run so these things can change pretty quickly. We went from losing to Serbia 6-1 to qualifying for the Euros quite quickly under Coleman too. |
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Post by underwood on Sept 7, 2022 6:56:51 GMT
It’s a long time ago now, but drawing 2-2 with a then part-time Iceland back in 1981 & failing to qualify for the World Cup as a result, was an absolute shocker.
If anything could go wrong that night it did, including the Vetch Field’s floodlights failing.
We would have been wearing Spirit of 82 buckets hats these days if things had gone to script, but Mike England loaded the team with forwards as he thought goal difference might have come into play, leaving our midfield completely outnumbered.
It put paid to a few careers such as Terry Yorath & Leighton James, Mike England’s job & Swansea as an International venue.
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Post by morg on Sept 7, 2022 7:21:11 GMT
Orient 2 Wales 1
Always will be rock bottom for me (hopefully!)
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 7, 2022 8:04:51 GMT
Losing 7-1 to a rampant Netherlands in Eindhoven back in 1996 still gives me the shivers!
We'd had a nice time too in Amsterdam, before travelling by train to PSV's stadium, where the party was well and truly spoilt thanks to the de Boers, Berkgamp, Seedorf & co!
That said, losing 5-1 at home to Slovakia in 2006 wasn't much fun either.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 7, 2022 8:19:44 GMT
Orient 2 Wales 1 Always will be rock bottom for me (hopefully!) this was bad |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 7, 2022 8:24:53 GMT
Surely not a 'proper' match, though - not even an 'international' friendly?
Q: Why did we stoop to playing Orient anyway?
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Post by sleepy on Sept 7, 2022 8:34:47 GMT
Wales 0 Finland 2 in 2009. Gutted as didn't see it coming, but was a turgid performance and 100 year old Jari Litmanen bossed it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2022 8:49:37 GMT
Remember phoning a mate up to ask him if he is watching this just to check it was real when we were 5-0 down to romania at half time,
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 7, 2022 9:03:00 GMT
There has been some horrific times. Losing 6-1 away to Serbia was shit but for me losing 3-0 to them at home was the worst. I think Ivanovic scored the second or third and the way they celebrated was as if they’d scored against Andorra. The celebration was so calm as if it was expected. We were bottom of the group and I was confused and livid thinking Bale the worlds most expensive player is playing for us, we’ve got Bellamy, Ramsey, Allen none of this makes any fucking sense.
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Post by texan on Sept 7, 2022 9:13:10 GMT
Losing the opening Euro 96 Qual match v Moldova 3-2 in 1994 stung having underestimated them and been outplayed and outfought by a hungrier and more determined opposition, but with a weakened side on the field (no Hughes, Rush, Saunders, Giggs) it was tough to take but was put down as one of those things. But if that match was a sneaky dig in the ribs, the next match:
Cymru 0 - 5 Georgia
...was a full-on knockout blow!
It will for me always be our worst result if only for what it symbolised. Taking place on 16/11/94, just one day shy of the 1st anniversary of that fateful game v Romania with (bar Giggs) a full strength side and we got absolutely pumped, it was 5-0 going on 10-0 with us chasing shadows all game.
That match foreshadowed what was to come, the worst 7 years in Welsh football history and I remember feeling as though someone had chucked a bucket of ice-cold water over me watching that game. Combined with the Moldova result it really hammered home the reality of where we actually stood on the football map of the time, the game was moving on and leaving us behind unable to compete with an ageing squad and (bar a couple of youngsters) nothing really coming through. No plan, no future, no hope.
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Post by morg on Sept 7, 2022 9:44:42 GMT
Surely not a 'proper' match, though - not even an 'international' friendly? Q: Why did we stoop to playing Orient anyway? Preparation for WC qualifier v San Marino apparently. We had virtually a first choice eleven out Giggs, Savage, Coleman, Hughes, Saunders et al and there was a 5000 crowd. Next match was a 6 nil win v Cwmbran with Gould coming on as a sub and scoring. Pretty much sums up his era. |
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Post by llan123 on Sept 7, 2022 10:04:19 GMT
Losing 5-1 to Slovakia at home in the Millennium Stadium. Think it may have been one of the last competitive games there? Felt like the end of an era that one.
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 7, 2022 10:24:47 GMT
Orient 2 Wales 1 Always will be rock bottom for me (hopefully!) I’ve always thought that the importance of this result has been over played as the years have gone on. It was seen as nothing more than a training match at the time and barely caused a ripple when it happened. It wasn’t like one of those FA Cup shocks or whatever that cause headlines everywhere. Even the Wales fans, who hated Gould at the time, didn’t put this very high on the list of things they wanted Gould gone for. |
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Post by underwood on Sept 7, 2022 10:47:08 GMT
Losing the opening Euro 96 Qual match v Moldova 3-2 in 1994 stung having underestimated them and been outplayed and outfought by a hungrier and more determined opposition, but with a weakened side on the field (no Hughes, Rush, Saunders, Giggs) it was tough to take but was put down as one of those things. But if that match was a sneaky dig in the ribs, the next match: Cymru 0 - 5 Georgia ...was a full-on knockout blow! It will for me always be our worst result if only for what it symbolised. Taking place on 16/11/94, just one day shy of the 1st anniversary of that fateful game v Romania with (bar Giggs) a full strength side and we got absolutely pumped, it was 5-0 going on 10-0 with us chasing shadows all game. That match foreshadowed what was to come, the worst 7 years in Welsh football history and I remember feeling as though someone had chucked a bucket of ice-cold water over me watching that game. Combined with the Moldova result it really hammered home the reality of where we actually stood on the football map of the time, the game was moving on and leaving us behind unable to compete with an ageing squad and (bar a couple of youngsters) nothing really coming through. No plan, no future, no hope. It gives me shivers just reading that. That was indeed the worst period, it’s a minor miracle we’ve bounced back. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 7, 2022 11:32:23 GMT
Losing 5-1 to Slovakia at home in the Millennium Stadium. Think it may have been one of the last competitive games there? Felt like the end of an era that one. That sticks in the mind alongside the 6-1 in Serbia The Nations Cup has always stuck in my mind as bleak, even the victory over Northern Ireland in front of about 12 people |
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Post by morg on Sept 7, 2022 11:52:12 GMT
Orient 2 Wales 1 Always will be rock bottom for me (hopefully!) I’ve always thought that the importance of this result has been over played as the years have gone on. It was seen as nothing more than a training match at the time and barely caused a ripple when it happened. It wasn’t like one of those FA Cup shocks or whatever that cause headlines everywhere. Even the Wales fans, who hated Gould at the time, didn’t put this very high on the list of things they wanted Gould gone for. Orient had finished 88th in the football pyramid and this was far from their first team. Think it didn't cause too much of a ripple as it was indicative of the Sh@t show we were becoming. |
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Post by jimbo82 on Sept 7, 2022 12:07:23 GMT
There have been quite a few over the years, but I think one of the worst was Wales 2-2 Northern Ireland at the Millennium Stadium. Taken out of context it doesn't sound that bad, but this was coming on the back of us just missing out on Euro 2004. There was hope that we'd got so close to finally qualifying that maybe the 2006 World Cup might be when we finally make it. Also Northern Ireland weren't the force they have been recently, they were miles down the rankings (although they did famously beat England at Windsor Park a year later).
Giggs was suspended for 2 matches after elbowing a Russian player in Moscow, but it seemed Wales had played a blinder by arranging 2 of our "easiest" games for the first 2 fixtures. Win those and we would be facing England at the top of the group. Of course it never goes to plan, and we drew 1-1 with Azerbaijan in Baku in the first game. Disappointing, but a win over NI would give us 4 points out of 6 and we'd still be in the mix...
However, 8 minutes into the Northern Ireland match Robbie Savage was sent off apparently for falling over after a foul. The Irish player was also sent off and it set the tone for a horrible match, which suddenly got even worse when NI took the lead a few minutes later. I remember feeling a bit sick inside, but telling myself we were better than them and we can still beat them. On 21 minutes David Healy scored their 2nd goal, then got sent off for an over exuberant celebration. I remember feeling absolutely sick to my stomach, thinking that we were going to lose, and all the optimism and hope for a successful campaign was going to be over before it had begun.
Hartson got a goal back before half time to give us something to cling to, and then with 15 minutes to go Earnie got an equaliser to make it 2-2. But we couldn't get a winner against the 9 men of Northern Ireland, and I knew we weren't going to the World Cup. I also knew that a lot of the squad weren't going to get another chance (Speed, Giggs, Hartson, etc) and I couldn't see how we would ever get anywhere near a tournament. Truly depressing stuff. Mark Hughes hung around as manager for the following 2 games against England and Poland (2 defeats) and the dream was officially dead.
Amazing really that it only took 10 years to rebuild and qualify for 2016!
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Post by vvm on Sept 7, 2022 13:01:21 GMT
thesetpieces.com/latest-posts/leyton-orient-2-wales-1/Little article I found on the Orient 2-1 loss. Was before my time a bit but don't think it can be read into too much, just a random training game that ultimately sounds like it did more harm than good in terms of morale. Went on to beat San Marino a few days after so you could argue it served a purpose but doubt it really made any difference.
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Post by bluephill on Sept 7, 2022 13:40:03 GMT
Cyprus 3–1 Wales was pretty grim.
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Post by insertname on Sept 7, 2022 14:29:27 GMT
Losing the opening Euro 96 Qual match v Moldova 3-2 in 1994 stung having underestimated them and been outplayed and outfought by a hungrier and more determined opposition, but with a weakened side on the field (no Hughes, Rush, Saunders, Giggs) it was tough to take but was put down as one of those things. But if that match was a sneaky dig in the ribs, the next match: Cymru 0 - 5 Georgia ...was a full-on knockout blow! It will for me always be our worst result if only for what it symbolised. Taking place on 16/11/94, just one day shy of the 1st anniversary of that fateful game v Romania with (bar Giggs) a full strength side and we got absolutely pumped, it was 5-0 going on 10-0 with us chasing shadows all game. That match foreshadowed what was to come, the worst 7 years in Welsh football history and I remember feeling as though someone had chucked a bucket of ice-cold water over me watching that game. Combined with the Moldova result it really hammered home the reality of where we actually stood on the football map of the time, the game was moving on and leaving us behind unable to compete with an ageing squad and (bar a couple of youngsters) nothing really coming through. No plan, no future, no hope. Yeah 5-0 against Georgia for me. I had just got into football and my induction into wWelsh football was my dad putting the game against Romania on the TV (he normally had no time for football) and after recognising a fair few of the Wales players I got quite into wanting to see the Wales team succeed especially off the back of the glorious failure of Bodin’s penalty. So after losing to Norway and Sweden and then Moldova I bunked off school to watch Wales v Georgia on cable down my Nan’s. What a mistake that was! My recollection is of a load of past it legends going through the motions and being given an absolute lesson by a country I had never even heard of in what looked like a local park. If it wasn’t clear before it was patently obvious then that the glorious failure against Romania was actually a halcyon time! To think it would be a decade until we got close again and a further 12 years until the first finals in my lifetime. I probably would have sacked it off after that Georgia game if I’d known that back then! |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 7, 2022 14:38:36 GMT
Losing 5-1 to Slovakia at home in the Millennium Stadium. Think it may have been one of the last competitive games there? Felt like the end of an era that one. That was October 2006, we played there for another 3 years. The last regular game there was Russia in September 2009… only two games in 13 years since (England 2011 and Spain 2018). |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2022 15:04:36 GMT
I'm a younger fan so I've been very lucky with what I've watched, particularly in person
First campaign I remember was the Euro 2004 one, which was good. Russia home game was my first taste of real disappointment
Since then I've seen us qualify for 3 tournaments and been in the stadium for 2 of those qualifications. Was there for the Belgium home win as well
Worst one I've seen in person was the 1-0 loss to Bulgaria in the CCS - all I remember was Morison missing a 1v1 being the most exciting part of that game
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Post by insertname on Sept 7, 2022 15:29:46 GMT
There have been quite a few over the years, but I think one of the worst was Wales 2-2 Northern Ireland at the Millennium Stadium. Taken out of context it doesn't sound that bad, but this was coming on the back of us just missing out on Euro 2004. There was hope that we'd got so close to finally qualifying that maybe the 2006 World Cup might be when we finally make it. Also Northern Ireland weren't the force they have been recently, they were miles down the rankings (although they did famously beat England at Windsor Park a year later). Giggs was suspended for 2 matches after elbowing a Russian player in Moscow, but it seemed Wales had played a blinder by arranging 2 of our "easiest" games for the first 2 fixtures. Win those and we would be facing England at the top of the group. Of course it never goes to plan, and we drew 1-1 with Azerbaijan in Baku in the first game. Disappointing, but a win over NI would give us 4 points out of 6 and we'd still be in the mix... However, 8 minutes into the Northern Ireland match Robbie Savage was sent off apparently for falling over after a foul. The Irish player was also sent off and it set the tone for a horrible match, which suddenly got even worse when NI took the lead a few minutes later. I remember feeling a bit sick inside, but telling myself we were better than them and we can still beat them. On 21 minutes David Healy scored their 2nd goal, then got sent off for an over exuberant celebration. I remember feeling absolutely sick to my stomach, thinking that we were going to lose, and all the optimism and hope for a successful campaign was going to be over before it had begun. Hartson got a goal back before half time to give us something to cling to, and then with 15 minutes to go Earnie got an equaliser to make it 2-2. But we couldn't get a winner against the 9 men of Northern Ireland, and I knew we weren't going to the World Cup. I also knew that a lot of the squad weren't going to get another chance (Speed, Giggs, Hartson, etc) and I couldn't see how we would ever get anywhere near a tournament. Truly depressing stuff. Mark Hughes hung around as manager for the following 2 games against England and Poland (2 defeats) and the dream was officially dead. Amazing really that it only took 10 years to rebuild and qualify for 2016! That Poland result hit me pretty hard for the reasons you state. I recall having something of a fit afterwards to the extent that my partner had a row with me afterwards and told me to grow up because I was just absolutely devastated at being out of another campaign early on and the reality that the Hughes play off side was going to be broken up off the back of it. It all just felt so ridiculously unjust. We had battered Poland, Earnshaw had about 100 chances and eventually took one and it looked like we would be back in the hunt for the holy grail of a World Cup spot. Then in the last 20 minutes iirc Poland hit us with two world class goals from outside the box. Easy as that. Footballing rope-a-dope. Campaign over, manager gone and key figures in the squad retired by choice or retired by the incoming manager. Not the worst result but probably the hardest one to take. |
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Post by babylonsinger on Sept 7, 2022 15:44:39 GMT
Plenty of competition for this over the years sadly. Two that stand out for me that haven't been mentioned from what I can see:
Barely beating San Marino 2-1 in 2007
Awful 0-0 draw with Armenia in 2001 in front of what felt like a deserted Mil Stad
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Post by paj on Sept 7, 2022 17:12:08 GMT
Orient 2 Wales 1 Always will be rock bottom for me (hopefully!) I’ve always thought that the importance of this result has been over played as the years have gone on. It was seen as nothing more than a training match at the time and barely caused a ripple when it happened. It wasn’t like one of those FA Cup shocks or whatever that cause headlines everywhere. Even the Wales fans, who hated Gould at the time, didn’t put this very high on the list of things they wanted Gould gone for. I was there as living in London at the time and have to agree with this. We just shrugged which speaks volumes. Was a lovely sunny day I seem to remember. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 7, 2022 17:16:32 GMT
Of course, if we're looking at the worst Wales RESULT (rather than performance)... the Anfield defeat by the Scots in 1977 STILL rankles!
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Post by dlwilliams on Sept 7, 2022 17:22:00 GMT
The two that always come to mind for me, in the 17 years I've been going to games, are losing 2-0 to Finland and 5-1 to Slovakia.
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 8, 2022 11:11:25 GMT
That 5-1 against Slovakia has to be worst. Another campaign over before it began with not a lot of hope for the future at that point.
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Post by dai on Sept 8, 2022 12:32:50 GMT
In my living memory, some of these are probably a bit controversial.
4-0 defeat to Denmark in the 2020 Euro's. I know a lot will always defend this result, but for me this was an embarrassing scoreline. Denmark are a very good side, but to lose 4-0 to them on the World / Euro stage was just dreadful. And then England went on to beat them fairly comfortably. Just reinforced how bad of a result it was.
5-1 defeat at home by Slovakia (even though we returned the favour away, which in itself was a bizarre result).
4-0 defeat away to Italy during the 2004 Euro's qualifying campaign. I know we'd lost to a very good team, but I expected better during this era - especially after beating them 2-1 at home.
0-3 loss to Serbia home. Like someone else mentioned above, Bale was on his way to become one of the best in the World and we had a decent squad, yet Serbia brushed us aside as if we were bottom seeds.
6-1 loss to Serbia away. Just terrible.
Losing 2-1 away to Macedonia was pretty bad, and I remember Bellamy ranting about it after the game.
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