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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 12:24:00 GMT
Ampadu off for Allen worst sub ever. He was getting stuck in, more than can be said for the rest of the team. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 12:24:41 GMT
All those people that were happy with the Bale, Ramsey, Wilson midfield please stand up now. Omg what an utter embarrassment. Absolutely shocking and Page stands by that decision. We were absolutely dog Shite in the first 60 mins of the first game and even worse today.
Page has been exposed for his limited managerial experience and stood by several players that were undercooked. Wilson, bale,Ramsey,Hennessy.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Nov 25, 2022 12:24:59 GMT
Really, really poor all over the pitch. James not starting unforgiveable after his performances in qualifying. What was up with us though, we were dire. Bitterly disappointing.
We're clearly a decent European side but it takes more to compete on this stage.
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 12:25:37 GMT
Two games and we’ve been unable to complete simple passes or deliver accurate crosses. Ramsey isn’t the player he was but he tries things - the real difficulty is we can’t carry three or four players who are off the pace and contribute little. We basically kept Bale on for the whole game in the hope we’d get a free kick. We really need a functioning midfield which means fit players. Quality is nothing if you can’t cover the ground. Iran were sharp, passed accurately, and were usually first to second balls and lose passes. We had two chances of note and Iran had a hatful. We were well beaten. I’m not worried about this tournament, but unless Page makes some tough choices the next set of qualifiers could be horrendous. Trying things was the problem- just shit balls to no-one or just plain giving the ball away leading to chances for Iran. We needed a measure of control and precision and accuracy but on the rare occasion we managed to string a passage of play together you had the likes of Ramsey going too soon for the Hollywood ball meaning we could build no sort of rhythm whatsoever |
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Post by jackanapes on Nov 25, 2022 12:26:47 GMT
Can't remember any game where we have looked balanced where both Rambo and Wilson start. I don't think both can fit in our system / without two of Allen, Ampadu or Morrell playing behind them. I think we need that stability. Given Allen’s lack of fitness I think it has to be Morell and Ampadu with Ramsey (Colwill in time) as the creativity. Given Bale is finished I’d opt for Moore as lone striker and both James and Johnson out wide. We’d have to play a back four but we need to change things. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 12:26:52 GMT
Don't really agree to be fair. The first he got the clearance away, no Wales plater supported by putting pressure on the scorer. 2nd goal it looks bad on him because he was one of only 3 who tries to stop the goal. No Iran player was near him so he could've controlled it. Or just did what Ramsey did all game and booted the ball long. Just clearing it to Iran play 5 yards away continually and you run the risk of one of them eventually shooting it in from 20 + yards, the one that hit the post earlier was the warning. There's so much that goes into it. We're under pressure a man down, I'd say anything you can get on it is fine. Did he get a shout to say he had time? We've seen all game Iran supporting the second man, there's no way we'd get a lad with time and space after it gets cleared. |
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Post by CymruFach on Nov 25, 2022 12:27:21 GMT
Poor performance Every first touch in final third poor. Joe Allen to blame for both goals unfortunately. Don't really agree to be fair. The first he got the clearance away, no Wales plater supported by putting pressure on the scorer. 2nd goal it looks bad on him because he was one of only 3 who tries to stop the goal. He gave the ball away for both goals. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2022 12:29:30 GMT
page probably hoping bale and ramsey get crocked so he doesn't have to make the decisions he isn't strong enough to make ,kneejerk comment because of the disappointment maybe but he page to much of a mate and not strong enough for the future running of the team,oh well just a game huh  |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 12:29:55 GMT
All those people that were happy with the Bale, Ramsey, Wilson midfield please stand up now. Omg what an utter embarrassment. Absolutely shocking and Page stands by that decision. We were absolutely dog Shite in the first 60 mins of the first game and even worse today. Page has been exposed for his limited managerial experience and stood by several players that were undercooked. Wilson, bale,Ramsey,Hennessy. Hennessey did OK I think. Yeah the one mad moment but the defenders were nowhere near the Iranian attackers on those through balls. Tried to get us out of jail and it backfired on him. I think questions need to be asked about Page though. Does he have what's necessary to lead the country. Could he go into the changing room and tell Ramsey he's on the bench? Is he fearful of upsetting the 'top' players? |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 12:31:44 GMT
Don't really agree to be fair. The first he got the clearance away, no Wales plater supported by putting pressure on the scorer. 2nd goal it looks bad on him because he was one of only 3 who tries to stop the goal. He gave the ball away for both goals. Heat of the moment from me maybe but I'm not blaming Allen for them. See what it's like later in the highlights. But I think our problems lie way beyond Allen. |
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Post by wft on Nov 25, 2022 12:31:48 GMT
Shameful, idiot, dozy, daft football....if you cant play one touch football you don't belong in an international squad.
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Post by impeachabull on Nov 25, 2022 12:31:58 GMT
Find the constant blaming of tactics a bit vacuous usually and this is a snap reaction, but just really poor from Page in both games.
Gave up the midfield against the US and Iran. Wilson and Ramsey are number 10s and Ampadu while defensively adept can't control a game.
Having done that, we then attemptes to play it through midfield in both games. We must have given the ball away in the midfield third tens of times, at least.
Only think the first half was more even because Davies and Mepham were able to step up and at least give us numbers in midfield, once they were pinned back the writing was on the wall.
Then the answer to that was to give up the cente more and bring two wingers on. Then a red card and another central option (who was having an awful game) goes.
Admittedly though the central midfield was always our weakness and Page isn't at fault for that weakness.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 25, 2022 12:32:10 GMT
Very disappointing result, but we didn't really deserve anything out of the game, did we?
Seems a number of players are not at their best at the moment, Ramsey, Roberts and our Gareth to name three. Rodon much better than Monday, and good to see Joe Allen back for the short time he was on, he'll be better next week for the minutes today.
Just a shame we haven't done ourselves justice in this competition so far. Backs against the wall now, but still a slim chance.
This has been coming though, because since the Ukraine game we've struggled.
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 12:32:16 GMT
Page said he learnt from his mistakes against USA. Yet he starts exactly the same midfield that got over ran by the US midfield. No energy no legs in the middle of the park in midday sun. Funny enough our midfield today got completely over ran by a very limited Iran midfield. We were running on empty yet again even before half time.
Bale = non existent Ramsey = non existent. Wilson = non existent please can someone tell me what Rob Page was expecting differently?
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 12:34:15 GMT
Rob Page has been completely exposed at this level. He looks like the manager that Port Vale sacked. Shambolic performance!!
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 25, 2022 12:41:59 GMT
We're clearly a decent European side but it takes more to compete on this stage. We wouldn't compete in Europe based on the last few performances, Italy and Czechia would clean up against both sides we've played so far. Iran are nothing special, but our lads were so off pace they made them and USA look like Brazil and Germany. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 12:43:24 GMT
Hennesey - mad moment but made a few saves. I wish he'd collect more into his box like every keeper does against us.
Roberts, Rodon and Neco - massive fan of them all but they've been awful this tournament.
Mepham - all I've seen is him shoving people with their back to goal on the floor giving away freekicks.
Davies - the one defender who I wouldn't consider to be lucky playing for Wales.
Ampadu - Only Welsh player to show up.
Bale, Ramsey, Wilson - all lazy, offered nothing in 2 matches. All passengers and seem to enjoy not having to do the dirty work.
Moore - does what he can. Quality player but always feed off scraps.
James - no end product.hes lightening quick can take it passed anyone but I think the first thing on his mind is how he can run into a player for a free kick.
Johnson - completely lightweight. Won't try and win a header, likes to put the fullback off to bring the ball down.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 12:46:21 GMT
Page said he learnt from his mistakes against USA. Yet he starts exactly the same midfield that got over ran by the US midfield. No energy no legs in the middle of the park in midday sun. Funny enough our midfield today got completely over ran by a very limited Iran midfield. We were running on empty yet again even before half time. Bale = non existent Ramsey = non existent. Wilson = non existent please can someone tell me what Rob Page was expecting differently? I think about 30 of us in the USA match forum knew it wouldn't work. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Nov 25, 2022 12:48:51 GMT
Don't really agree to be fair. The first he got the clearance away, no Wales plater supported by putting pressure on the scorer. 2nd goal it looks bad on him because he was one of only 3 who tries to stop the goal. He gave the ball away for both goals. Harsh, a clearance when you can't see what's behind you isn't really giving it away. Regardless we were desperately poor all game and 100% deserved to lose, no point singling out Allen. |
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Post by hc16040 on Nov 25, 2022 12:49:08 GMT
Was just embaressing all round, no desire and too many has beens
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 12:49:08 GMT
Unfortunately we look like a VERY limited team at this level, but it’s been made even worse by a VERY limited manager. Unfinished The guy that got sacked by Port Vale just rocked up at the World Cup.
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 12:53:42 GMT
Hennesey - mad moment but made a few saves. I wish he'd collect more into his box like every keeper does against us. Roberts, Rodon and Neco - massive fan of them all but they've been awful this tournament. Mepham - all I've seen is him shoving people with their back to goal on the floor giving away freekicks. Davies - the one defender who I wouldn't consider to be lucky playing for Wales. Ampadu - Only Welsh player to show up. Bale, Ramsey, Wilson - all lazy, offered nothing in 2 matches. All passengers and seem to enjoy not having to do the dirty work. Moore - does what he can. Quality player but always feed off scraps. James - no end product.hes lightening quick can take it passed anyone but I think the first thing on his mind is how he can run into a player for a free kick. Johnson - completely lightweight. Won't try and win a header, likes to put the fullback off to bring the ball down. James and Johnson are the future but both of them didn’t look up to much against Iran. That’s the worst thing to come out of that game for me. We lost the game fair enough but there weren’t even many shoots of improvement to grasp at there. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 12:56:24 GMT
We were one of the worst teams at Euro 2020, and we’ve been one of the worst teams at this World Cup. Says it all. Page got found out again. Embarrassing, shambolic To be fair though dai at least we qualified. Got further than Italy did in fact. The Euros is a different beast because qualifying is far easier. We got results against Belgium, the Czechs, Austria, Ukraine. Being there is no fluke, we’ve just ended up carrying our best players at the end. One thing is for sure though if Page had dropped Bale and Ramsey for the tournament there would have been a massive out cry on here. Happy to qualify you sound like the players. Ffs we were an absolute shambles. People talking about England scoring “soft goals” against Iran …. How many soft goals can we score? We have been absolutely abysmal from start to finish. Bale Ramsey and Wilson have been non existent and both games have passed them by. Rob page has been utterly exposed for the VERY limited coach ( not manger) that he is. The whole “ happy to be here” attitude has stank the place out tbh. |
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Post by llyn on Nov 25, 2022 12:57:19 GMT
For this game blaming Page is a a cop out. This is basically the team everyone had been calling for and we deservedly lost. It's not the manager's fault if seasoned professionals can't pass our hold onto the ball.
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Post by dai on Nov 25, 2022 12:59:51 GMT
For this game blaming Page is a a cop out. This is basically the team everyone had been calling for and we deservedly lost. It's not the manager's fault if seasoned professionals can't pass our hold onto the ball. I certainly wasn’t calling for this team. I said in the USa thread that we cannot start with Wilson, Ramsey and Bale who are ALL not match fit, yet Page did just that. Awful. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 13:01:25 GMT
Hennesey - mad moment but made a few saves. I wish he'd collect more into his box like every keeper does against us. Roberts, Rodon and Neco - massive fan of them all but they've been awful this tournament. Mepham - all I've seen is him shoving people with their back to goal on the floor giving away freekicks. Davies - the one defender who I wouldn't consider to be lucky playing for Wales. Ampadu - Only Welsh player to show up. Bale, Ramsey, Wilson - all lazy, offered nothing in 2 matches. All passengers and seem to enjoy not having to do the dirty work. Moore - does what he can. Quality player but always feed off scraps. James - no end product.hes lightening quick can take it passed anyone but I think the first thing on his mind is how he can run into a player for a free kick. Johnson - completely lightweight. Won't try and win a header, likes to put the fullback off to bring the ball down. James and Johnson are the future but both of them didn’t look up to much against Iran. That’s the worst thing to come out of that game for me. We lost the game fair enough but there weren’t even many shoots of improvement to grasp at there. Exactly my thinking. It seems like with Wales the only way to give players a chance is to start them for a few games. Why can't one come of the bench and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Put in that challenge, go in for a header, take that player on. Personally I think James will be the player who blows hot and cold at best. Johnson seems like he's a 16 year old lad, doesn't put himself about. Gets fouled a lot and gets back up, but doesn't have that aggression. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Nov 25, 2022 13:01:39 GMT
Unfortunately we look like a VERY limited team at this level, but it’s been made even worse by a VERY limited manager. Unfinished The guy that got sacked by Port Vale just rocked up at the World Cup. What could he have done realistically? We just don't have the depth to make mass changes. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 13:09:19 GMT
To be fair though dai at least we qualified. Got further than Italy did in fact. The Euros is a different beast because qualifying is far easier. We got results against Belgium, the Czechs, Austria, Ukraine. Being there is no fluke, we’ve just ended up carrying our best players at the end. One thing is for sure though if Page had dropped Bale and Ramsey for the tournament there would have been a massive out cry on here. Happy to qualify you sound like the players. Ffs we were an absolute shambles. People talking about England scoring “soft goals” against Iran …. How many soft goals can we score? We have been absolutely abysmal from start to finish. Bale Ramsey and Wilson have been non existent and both games have passed them by. Rob page has been utterly exposed for the VERY limited coach ( not manger) that he is. The whole “ happy to be here” attitude has stank the place out tbh. That’s not exactly the point I’m trying to make- if it was down to me I would have been ruthless with the selection, none of this taking people’s mates shit. It would have been a serious exercise in getting the job done with the best players possible. Imo picking players not on merit lends itself to a “happy to be here” mindset from the start. But it’s still daft not to put it in context which is that qualifying for a World Cup is an achievement in itself because historically we couldn’t do it even when our players were at their peak. As disappointing as it is to have a really bad game today it’s still to be celebrated that we achieved something that eluded Welsh football for 58 years, during which we qualified twice for the Euros (which indicates how much weaker the expansion to 24 teams has made it). Don’t throw the bloody baby out with the bath water. As for Iran they had a whole different approach today and one wonders how they might have fared had England faced Taremi and Asmoun for 70 minutes. Not saying they still wouldn’t have beaten them but they managed to concede two against Iran as it was and the pair of them would have given England’s dodgy backline the run around if they played as well as they did today. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 13:14:53 GMT
James and Johnson are the future but both of them didn’t look up to much against Iran. That’s the worst thing to come out of that game for me. We lost the game fair enough but there weren’t even many shoots of improvement to grasp at there. Exactly my thinking. It seems like with Wales the only way to give players a chance is to start them for a few games. Why can't one come of the bench and take the game by the scruff of the neck. Put in that challenge, go in for a header, take that player on. Personally I think James will be the player who blows hot and cold at best. Johnson seems like he's a 16 year old lad, doesn't put himself about. Gets fouled a lot and gets back up, but doesn't have that aggression. Well there has been criticism of Johnson’s work ethic so you are going to be proved right there I think. On the subject of aggression I would say one thing that really hurt us today was that Kieffer is usually so good at winning fouls and getting us up the pitch. The ref really seemed to only have eyes for our players at times, he gave Kieffer nothing for stuff you will see given 9/10 in any other game. Iran were able to really get into us and disrupt what little chance we had to build a platform in their half. That’s maybe not why we lost the game, let’s be honest, but it’s frustrating to have seen 5 days of stop start games because of soft free kicks and our players are the ones that get hung out to dry. |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 25, 2022 13:15:54 GMT
That's what happens if you play rusty players that lack sharpness and I include Wayne in that.
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