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Post by zakbaby on Nov 25, 2022 13:16:45 GMT
Screaming out for 4-4-2
Roberts had a nightmare.
Bale might as well have been in the stand,Ramsey same.
Page got to show some balls now.
Team v England
Ward
Neco Rodon Mepham Davies
Johnson Morrell Ampadu James
Moore Bale
Go long ball as we can't pass for shit.
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 13:19:16 GMT
Happy to qualify you sound like the players. Ffs we were an absolute shambles. People talking about England scoring “soft goals” against Iran …. How many soft goals can we score? We have been absolutely abysmal from start to finish. Bale Ramsey and Wilson have been non existent and both games have passed them by. Rob page has been utterly exposed for the VERY limited coach ( not manger) that he is. The whole “ happy to be here” attitude has stank the place out tbh. That’s not exactly the point I’m trying to make- if it was down to me I would have been ruthless with the selection, none of this taking people’s mates shit. It would have been a serious exercise in getting the job done with the best players possible. Imo picking players not on merit lends itself to a “happy to be here” mindset from the start. But it’s still daft not to put it in context which is that qualifying for a World Cup is an achievement in itself because historically we couldn’t do it even when our players were at their peak. As disappointing as it is to have a really bad game today it’s still to be celebrated that we achieved something that eluded Welsh football for 58 years, during which we qualified twice for the Euros (which indicates how much weaker the expansion to 24 teams has made it). Don’t throw the bloody baby out with the bath water. As for Iran they had a whole different approach today and one wonders how they might have fared had England faced Taremi and Asmoun for 70 minutes. Not saying they still wouldn’t have beaten them but they managed to concede two against Iran as it was and the pair of them would have given England’s dodgy backline the run around if they played as well as they did today. You sound like Rob Page. I can’t except any of what you’ve just said purely based on the fact that the EXACT same problems that we had in the first game. We had in the second game. Lessons simply were NOT learnt. The same problems were there all through the second game. Iran compeley outplayed us as did The USA. We haven’t been able to pass the ball more than 3 passes. Yet most of the first half we persevere by “trying” to play out from the back ( allowing Iran several chances on goals).their second choice keeper who they were very apprehensive to expose was never really troubled (why? ) our tactics were shocking. Our midfield non existent. But we’re happy to be there yea? |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 13:21:38 GMT
Happy to qualify you sound like the players. Ffs we were an absolute shambles. People talking about England scoring “soft goals” against Iran …. How many soft goals can we score? We have been absolutely abysmal from start to finish. Bale Ramsey and Wilson have been non existent and both games have passed them by. Rob page has been utterly exposed for the VERY limited coach ( not manger) that he is. The whole “ happy to be here” attitude has stank the place out tbh. That’s not exactly the point I’m trying to make- if it was down to me I would have been ruthless with the selection, none of this taking people’s mates shit. It would have been a serious exercise in getting the job done with the best players possible. Imo picking players not on merit lends itself to a “happy to be here” mindset from the start. But it’s still daft not to put it in context which is that qualifying for a World Cup is an achievement in itself because historically we couldn’t do it even when our players were at their peak. As disappointing as it is to have a really bad game today it’s still to be celebrated that we achieved something that eluded Welsh football for 58 years, during which we qualified twice for the Euros (which indicates how much weaker the expansion to 24 teams has made it). Don’t throw the bloody baby out with the bath water. As for Iran they had a whole different approach today and one wonders how they might have fared had England faced Taremi and Asmoun for 70 minutes. Not saying they still wouldn’t have beaten them but they managed to concede two against Iran as it was and the pair of them would have given England’s dodgy backline the run around if they played as well as they did today. The part that messed us up was Iran losing 6-2 to England. If England won 1-0 I think we'd all be OK with the result. But they got pulled apart by a team we have to play in a few days. I always said from the start no expectations, whatever happens I'll be happy, but pary of the expectations were our players would at least give it their all. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 13:21:51 GMT
Screaming out for 4-4-2 Roberts had a nightmare. Bale might as well have been in the stand,Ramsey same. Page got to show some balls now. Team v England Ward Neco Rodon Mepham Davies Johnson Morrell Ampadu James Moore Bale Go long ball as we can't pass for shit. I think it’s worth considering how well James and Moore played up front together, I can’t remember the game. I want to say Austria but that might be wrong and it was a nations league game…but Moore’s hold up play and surprisingly deft touch brought James into the game on the counter attack really well. Just that typically James couldn’t finish (so it probably was the Austria game!) That might be the future and would certainly be my approach against a team like England who will look to play in our half and leave space in behind. |
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Post by llan123 on Nov 25, 2022 14:00:48 GMT
It was a very different Iran team to the one that England thumped. I suspect they wanted to keep it right first half against England and keep it tight before opening up second half. Obviously the early English onslaught bamboozled them and the plan unravelled.
They had to go for it more against us, they weren't actually that good going forwards to be honest. Most teams in this World Cup would have put that game to bed earlier. They were so much better technically than us, was like chalk and cheese. Bale was not in the game, his match sharpness is well off and like someone said, we kept him on in case we got a free kick. Ramsey was diabolical, gave the ball away so many times and was trying all these deft flicks all game that came to nothing. Allen not good enough when he came on. Can't blame him as hes been injured but id rather he didnt play at all, than miles off the pace.
I thought Moore was brilliant, we have a really gem there I believe that can be the catalyst to qualification for Germany 2024. He and our attacking wide players can link up well, its not all done for but we badly need a decent central midfield or we wont stand a chance.
Ramsey, Bale, Allen and Hennessey aren't going to retire but are they holding us back if they are being included on name alone? You can only think with lack of football they will deteriorate furthe. Its all good banter when people share stats that Bale and Ramsey only play for Wales and not their clubs but its actually fucking us over now.
As for Page, we need to keep him on unless there's someone better. I'd love to see Carl Robinson given a go personally. Can't think of anyone else who would take over.
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Post by cadno on Nov 25, 2022 14:05:24 GMT
That’s more like the Iran we expected to see. Looks like they wrote the England game off to begin with and aimed for this game - they deserved to win that today fair play.
We haven’t got a hope in hell against England!!
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 25, 2022 14:06:34 GMT
Hennesey - mad moment but made a few saves. I wish he'd collect more into his box like every keeper does against us. Roberts, Rodon and Neco - massive fan of them all but they've been awful this tournament. Mepham - all I've seen is him shoving people with their back to goal on the floor giving away freekicks. Davies - the one defender who I wouldn't consider to be lucky playing for Wales. Ampadu - Only Welsh player to show up. Bale, Ramsey, Wilson - all lazy, offered nothing in 2 matches. All passengers and seem to enjoy not having to do the dirty work. Moore - does what he can. Quality player but always feed off scraps. James - no end product.hes lightening quick can take it passed anyone but I think the first thing on his mind is how he can run into a player for a free kick. Johnson - completely lightweight. Won't try and win a header, likes to put the fullback off to bring the ball down. James and Johnson are the future but both of them didn’t look up to much against Iran. That’s the worst thing to come out of that game for me. We lost the game fair enough but there weren’t even many shoots of improvement to grasp at there. James ain't the future, he's 25 years old and very much the present. Unless he finds something else in his game, he will only get worse getting older when his pace dips, much like a Redmond/Townsend/Walcott type player. We should be fully investing in Johnson and Colwill at this point, and wholesale changes needed for the England game because it no longer matters. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 14:09:05 GMT
That’s not exactly the point I’m trying to make- if it was down to me I would have been ruthless with the selection, none of this taking people’s mates shit. It would have been a serious exercise in getting the job done with the best players possible. Imo picking players not on merit lends itself to a “happy to be here” mindset from the start. But it’s still daft not to put it in context which is that qualifying for a World Cup is an achievement in itself because historically we couldn’t do it even when our players were at their peak. As disappointing as it is to have a really bad game today it’s still to be celebrated that we achieved something that eluded Welsh football for 58 years, during which we qualified twice for the Euros (which indicates how much weaker the expansion to 24 teams has made it). Don’t throw the bloody baby out with the bath water. As for Iran they had a whole different approach today and one wonders how they might have fared had England faced Taremi and Asmoun for 70 minutes. Not saying they still wouldn’t have beaten them but they managed to concede two against Iran as it was and the pair of them would have given England’s dodgy backline the run around if they played as well as they did today. The part that messed us up was Iran losing 6-2 to England. If England won 1-0 I think we'd all be OK with the result. But they got pulled apart by a team we have to play in a few days. I always said from the start no expectations, whatever happens I'll be happy, but pary of the expectations were our players would at least give it their all. There lies the problem….” I’ll be happy”. Happy with the drivel that we’ve witnessed in the first 2 games? Happy with being outclassed by the team England could and should have scored TEN against ? We’ve not even looked liked scoring a single goal ( excluding the idiotic challenge made by the yank centre half) we don’t score “ soft goals” we barely score a single goal most matches. Our tactics have been pathetic our selection have been pathetic and Rob page looks like a rabbit in headlights. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 14:13:05 GMT
James and Johnson are the future but both of them didn’t look up to much against Iran. That’s the worst thing to come out of that game for me. We lost the game fair enough but there weren’t even many shoots of improvement to grasp at there. James ain't the future, he's 25 years old and very much the present. Unless he finds something else in his game, he will only get worse getting older when his pace dips, much like a Redmond/Townsend/Walcott type player. We should be fully investing in Johnson and Colwill at this point, and wholesale changes needed for the England game because it no longer matters. Those players were still playing premier league football regularly when they were past their best. James has still got his pace and he’s gone from Man United to Leeds to Fulham and still isn’t a guaranteed starter. If he has a career like those players you mentioned it would still probably be good for us. We’ll need all the top tier players we can get soon. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 25, 2022 14:24:17 GMT
The part that messed us up was Iran losing 6-2 to England. If England won 1-0 I think we'd all be OK with the result. But they got pulled apart by a team we have to play in a few days. I always said from the start no expectations, whatever happens I'll be happy, but pary of the expectations were our players would at least give it their all. There lies the problem….” I’ll be happy”. Happy with the drivel that we’ve witnessed in the first 2 games? Happy with being outclassed by the team England could and should have scored TEN against ? We’ve not even looked liked scoring a single goal ( excluding the idiotic challenge made by the yank centre half) we don’t score “ soft goals” we barely score a single goal most matches. Our tactics have been pathetic our selection have been pathetic and Rob page looks like a rabbit in headlights. As has been said elsewhere Iran played a different game against England. Look how they stood off Saka and watched him dribble into the area before rolling a soft shot past their keeper. They didn’t stand off our players that’s for sure, quite the opposite. They got stuck into us with niggling fouls knocking us out of our stride and that the ref let go. For our part our players couldn’t pass water and it was hard to get control of the game on that basis alone nevermind any exposure in the midfield to their counter attack. I actually thought Page got the balance right with Ramsey and Allen in the second half although it should have been Ramsey who came off, and it looked like we might start exerting a measure of control but we just kept giving the ball away time after time trying to play ambitious passes that we hadn’t earned the right to play based on the evidence of the previous 70 minutes. We needed to keep it simple with short passes and some patience trying to work an opening, not launch passes down the channels straight out of play. We’ve normally had some success with that approach which leads me to think that on some level the players were not just “happy to be here” because they wouldn’t have been making so many stupid mistakes if they weren’t feeling some sort of pressure to perform. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 14:32:29 GMT
There lies the problem….” I’ll be happy”. Happy with the drivel that we’ve witnessed in the first 2 games? Happy with being outclassed by the team England could and should have scored TEN against ? We’ve not even looked liked scoring a single goal ( excluding the idiotic challenge made by the yank centre half) we don’t score “ soft goals” we barely score a single goal most matches. Our tactics have been pathetic our selection have been pathetic and Rob page looks like a rabbit in headlights. As has been said elsewhere Iran played a different game against England. Look how they stood off Saka and watched him dribble into the area before rolling a soft shot past their keeper. They didn’t stand off our players that’s for sure, quite the opposite. They got stuck into us with niggling fouls knocking us out of our stride and that the ref let go. For our part our players couldn’t pass water and it was hard to get control of the game on that basis alone nevermind any exposure in the midfield to their counter attack. I actually thought Page got the balance right with Ramsey and Allen in the second half although it should have been Ramsey who came off, and it looked like we might start exerting a measure of control but we just kept giving the ball away time after time trying to play ambitious passes that we hadn’t earned the right to play based on the evidence of the previous 70 minutes. We needed to keep it simple with short passes and some patience trying to work an opening, not launch passes down the channels straight out of play. We’ve normally had some success with that approach which leads me to think that on some level the players were not just “happy to be here” because they wouldn’t have been making so many stupid mistakes if they weren’t feeling some sort of pressure to perform. You called it 2 or 3 days ago Iran would play a different game ( they had to) yet our tactics barely changed. For the life of me I can’t understand the tactics of Rob page. He’s been brutally exposed ( again) at the top level. The team he picked and the squad he picked have also been brutally exposed and we now look like finishing rock bottom of a very average ( bar England) group. |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 25, 2022 14:40:12 GMT
James ain't the future, he's 25 years old and very much the present. Unless he finds something else in his game, he will only get worse getting older when his pace dips, much like a Redmond/Townsend/Walcott type player. We should be fully investing in Johnson and Colwill at this point, and wholesale changes needed for the England game because it no longer matters. Those players were still playing premier league football regularly when they were past their best. James has still got his pace and he’s gone from Man United to Leeds to Fulham and still isn’t a guaranteed starter. If he has a career like those players you mentioned it would still probably be good for us. We’ll need all the top tier players we can get soon. We've got several "top tier" players, for all the good that's done us this tournament. Very few of them start for their clubs, and besides Neco, Ben, Brennan and Ampadu the rest are all seen as a bit crap, or makeweights at best. Premier League "supremacy" has given way to lads who play regular games in the Bundesliga, MLS and Persian Gulf Pro League. We need players who get regular matches and can get the basics right, like stringing together two passes. I've long-advocated for calling up Chris Maxwell & Lee Evans on that basis, and perhaps now we've qualified and seen the emperor's new clothes, it's feasible to give them a call to assist in the post-Bale era rebuild. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 14:43:40 GMT
The part that messed us up was Iran losing 6-2 to England. If England won 1-0 I think we'd all be OK with the result. But they got pulled apart by a team we have to play in a few days. I always said from the start no expectations, whatever happens I'll be happy, but pary of the expectations were our players would at least give it their all. There lies the problem….” I’ll be happy”. Happy with the drivel that we’ve witnessed in the first 2 games? Happy with being outclassed by the team England could and should have scored TEN against ? We’ve not even looked liked scoring a single goal ( excluding the idiotic challenge made by the yank centre half) we don’t score “ soft goals” we barely score a single goal most matches. Our tactics have been pathetic our selection have been pathetic and Rob page looks like a rabbit in headlights. No I'll be happy as its the first time in my life and let's face it a country of our size is way down the global pecking order. I won't expect our tiny country to go toe to toe with countries with resources way beyond what we've got. No offence mate but if you expect us to do well purely because we'd like us to do well is a bit asking to be disappointed don't you think? We literally have no right to be here. The Welsh football system is abysmal. We get our players as they have done well moving to English academies or Welsh clubs who play in England. We've not got a pool of players, we can't pick form players from the Premier league, it's the squad with a few championship hopefuls. Even Iran had players at Porto, Feynoord, Leverkusen I believe. I've loved our fairytale story but I'm also under no illusions we're punching above our weight at times. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 14:44:51 GMT
As has been said elsewhere Iran played a different game against England. Look how they stood off Saka and watched him dribble into the area before rolling a soft shot past their keeper. They didn’t stand off our players that’s for sure, quite the opposite. They got stuck into us with niggling fouls knocking us out of our stride and that the ref let go. For our part our players couldn’t pass water and it was hard to get control of the game on that basis alone nevermind any exposure in the midfield to their counter attack. I actually thought Page got the balance right with Ramsey and Allen in the second half although it should have been Ramsey who came off, and it looked like we might start exerting a measure of control but we just kept giving the ball away time after time trying to play ambitious passes that we hadn’t earned the right to play based on the evidence of the previous 70 minutes. We needed to keep it simple with short passes and some patience trying to work an opening, not launch passes down the channels straight out of play. We’ve normally had some success with that approach which leads me to think that on some level the players were not just “happy to be here” because they wouldn’t have been making so many stupid mistakes if they weren’t feeling some sort of pressure to perform. You called it 2 or 3 days ago Iran would play a different game ( they had to) yet our tactics barely changed. For the life of me I can’t understand the tactics of Rob page. He’s been brutally exposed ( again) at the top level. The team he picked and the squad he picked have also been brutally exposed and we now look like finishing rock bottom of a very average ( bar England) group. Can you find a post on here that agrees with Page's tactics? |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 25, 2022 14:46:12 GMT
There lies the problem….” I’ll be happy”. Happy with the drivel that we’ve witnessed in the first 2 games? Happy with being outclassed by the team England could and should have scored TEN against ? We’ve not even looked liked scoring a single goal ( excluding the idiotic challenge made by the yank centre half) we don’t score “ soft goals” we barely score a single goal most matches. Our tactics have been pathetic our selection have been pathetic and Rob page looks like a rabbit in headlights. No I'll be happy as its the first time in my life and let's face it a country of our size is way down the global pecking order. I won't expect our tiny country to go toe to toe with countries with resources way beyond what we've got. No offence mate but if you expect us to do well purely because we'd like us to do well is a bit asking to be disappointed don't you think? We literally have no right to be here. The Welsh football system is abysmal. We get our players as they have done well moving to English academies or Welsh clubs who play in England. We've not got a pool of players, we can't pick form players from the Premier league, it's the squad with a few championship hopefuls. Even Iran had players at Porto, Feynoord, Leverkusen I believe. I've loved our fairytale story but I'm also under no illusions we're punching above our weight at times. I’m glad your happy mate. I feel like we’ve missed the boat purely and simply because of poor management and tactics. But each to their own |
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Post by cadno on Nov 25, 2022 14:52:31 GMT
Can’t say I’m surprised with how this World Cup has gone for us, a step too far!
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Post by ddirpytnop on Nov 25, 2022 15:03:56 GMT
Whilst disappointed with both the performance and the result I don't understand where all the bitterness and anger is coming from. What happened to 'together stronger'? Seems some people didn't get the memo.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 25, 2022 15:31:10 GMT
No I'll be happy as its the first time in my life and let's face it a country of our size is way down the global pecking order. I won't expect our tiny country to go toe to toe with countries with resources way beyond what we've got. No offence mate but if you expect us to do well purely because we'd like us to do well is a bit asking to be disappointed don't you think? We literally have no right to be here. The Welsh football system is abysmal. We get our players as they have done well moving to English academies or Welsh clubs who play in England. We've not got a pool of players, we can't pick form players from the Premier league, it's the squad with a few championship hopefuls. Even Iran had players at Porto, Feynoord, Leverkusen I believe. I've loved our fairytale story but I'm also under no illusions we're punching above our weight at times. I’m glad your happy mate. I feel like we’ve missed the boat purely and simply because of poor management and tactics. But each to their own I agree too. The last chance with the 2 superstars to come from Wales, but I genuinely think with these tournaments we have to just go for the ride. We aren't a big nation. |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 25, 2022 15:47:00 GMT
Can’t say I’m surprised with how this World Cup has gone for us, a step too far! The warning signs have been apparent for the past couple of years now, but grinding out 1-0 wins with negative football has papered over the cracks for some. We've turned up to a world cup and tried to repeat that, and our hard Brexit tactics have been exposed massively by teams willing to actually play football. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 25, 2022 22:07:11 GMT
For me the achievement was always qualification, and for that this group has achieved it's aim. That's something that isn't lost on me. Today hurt though!
For me today was Bale & Ramsey's last dance as guaranteed starters. They absolutely earned the right to start today, they have been integral to this historic generation. However, their ability to control the outcome of a game has disappeared now & it really does feel like an end of an era. I do want to emphasise that this group of players achieved everything they could and more, but the sun sets on everyone in the end
Obviously we're not out yet. It's a tall order but it's straight forward. Beat England & hope Iran/USA draw. Very very unlikely in my view but we have to try despite how low we all feel tonight. Time to be bold and go for it with a back 4 I think
Iran by far the better team today and in some ways that makes it easier to take. Their game plan was perfect, they were slick in attack, and they were everything we were against Austria - a performance that feels far away now
I could say a lot more but it's not needed really. Disappointment, but let's not be too glum after all we're at a World Cup, which is something I will always be fond towards this group for achieving for us
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Post by njdragon on Nov 26, 2022 11:13:03 GMT
A lot of negativity but there’s only 2 players in the whole of wales now that didn’t play and could have turned that game and have done it in the past.
Jonny Williams
Tom Lawrence
Personally we shouldn’t have dropped James after he had one bad performance and we should have had ward in goals.
I don’t know what else could have been done.
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Post by hooky on Nov 26, 2022 11:21:55 GMT
Williams would not have turned the game. Again there is a reason he is in the third division. How can an average player who does not assist affect a game when their team is set up all over the place with little structure in midfield?
Unfortunately -
70% of that team gave performances that were well below par and we carried 3 players, while our keeper who was decent decided to go kung fu fighting in injury time!
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Post by njdragon on Nov 26, 2022 11:54:42 GMT
Williams would not have turned the game. Again there is a reason he is in the third division. How can an average player who does not assist affect a game when their team is set up all over the place with little structure in midfield? Unfortunately - 70% of that team gave performances that were well below par and we carried 3 players, while our keeper who was decent decided to go kung fu fighting in injury time! Have you seen him as an impact sub he runs and creates chance plus he’s a goal threat. Probably plays same level as Iran |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 26, 2022 12:18:39 GMT
Williams would not have turned the game. Again there is a reason he is in the third division. How can an average player who does not assist affect a game when their team is set up all over the place with little structure in midfield? Unfortunately - 70% of that team gave performances that were well below par and we carried 3 players, while our keeper who was decent decided to go kung fu fighting in injury time! I would happily play Jonny Williams in CM. Wins freekicks and is much better on the ball than most. He might be playing a lower level but some of these kids we've given a go in that position look terrified to be there. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 12:21:15 GMT
The fact people are grasping on to jonny williams as our saviour is laughable really isn't it,and i'm not really talking about the iran game,i actually like him as a sub because he has made impacts in the past,just makes me a bit sad and can't help thinking really is that all we have fucking got.
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Post by njdragon on Nov 26, 2022 12:45:05 GMT
The fact people are grasping on to jonny williams as our saviour is laughable really isn't it,and i'm not really talking about the iran game,i actually like him as a sub because he has made impacts in the past,just makes me a bit sad and can't help thinking really is that all we have fucking got. That’s the issue you all laughed at Williams inclusion. But name one player in the whole of wales that could have turned that game? Yes it is all we have. There’s no miracle we’re a small country we can’t magic better players |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 26, 2022 12:45:54 GMT
Williams would not have turned the game. Again there is a reason he is in the third division. How can an average player who does not assist affect a game when their team is set up all over the place with little structure in midfield? Unfortunately - 70% of that team gave performances that were well below par and we carried 3 players, while our keeper who was decent decided to go kung fu fighting in injury time! I would happily play Jonny Williams in CM. Wins freekicks and is much better on the ball than most. He might be playing a lower level but some of these kids we've given a go in that position look terrified to be there. No doubt in hindsight he would have changed that game. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 26, 2022 13:59:33 GMT
The fact people are grasping on to jonny williams as our saviour is laughable really isn't it,and i'm not really talking about the iran game,i actually like him as a sub because he has made impacts in the past,just makes me a bit sad and can't help thinking really is that all we have fucking got. That’s the issue you all laughed at Williams inclusion. But name one player in the whole of wales that could have turned that game? Yes it is all we have. There’s no miracle we’re a small country we can’t magic better players Agreed but that’s why we need a tactically astute manager. Unfortunately when we get to this level our manager gets exposed. The same happened in the last Euros when he was completely out thought against the Danes and the same has happened in the first two matches of this tournament. He looks out of his depth and his tactics and selections have been flawed |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 26, 2022 14:19:03 GMT
We could've brought Marradona in his prime off the bench yesterday and he wouldn't have made any difference. Saw that with James and Johnson both ineffective off the bench as collectively as a team we were poor. Big ask for anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2022 14:25:04 GMT
If players can't pass the ball accurately when pressed a bit and under some pressure then whats the difference who the manager is,it's always been a problem hasn't it but we have gotten away with it this long but teams know press us high and we are basically fucked.
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