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Post by scarfer on Dec 5, 2022 14:36:04 GMT
I'd take Jonny over Vaulks all day every day. Yup that's fair enough, we all have different opinions. I see a few older players from the world cup have already announced their retirement. Khazri is a name that springs to mind. think we might get news on some of our oldies soon? |
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 5, 2022 14:52:34 GMT
Yeah, though the longer it goes in without anyone announcing their retirement the more likely it is that everyone is going to be available for the Euro qualifiers.
What I’d like to see is a sort of semi-retirement, where players don’t travel just to be the 25 or 26th member of the squad but are available if we have few injuries in a certain position
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Post by insertname on Dec 5, 2022 15:27:31 GMT
He’s in the first team squad to play some friendlies in Spain. Man United fans online talk about their young players all the time, guess it’s part of their club identity to focus on players coming through. Never see them mention Savage at all, which seems at odds with the reviews he was getting for his friendly appearances in the summer. Charlie needs to break away from Man Utd and ask for a loan or transfer come 1st of Jan. He needs to be playing games where results matter not just reserve/friendly matches. i am most surprised that Robbie has not spoken to him about this. i think most footballers when approaching 20 would have hoped to have had a season of competitive matches behind them , i would have a guess he has played less than 10, if he is going to be one for the future it needs to start now. At most other clubs this would hold true. Man United are a good club for a youngster to bide their time as their tradition means they will play youngsters if they are good enough. Saying that Savage is 19, United have been playing Garnacho and Elanga of late and sent that Hannibal lad out on loan…meanwhile Savage hasn’t got a look in other than a few friendly appearances during summer. Not a particularly suspicious portent |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 6, 2022 0:33:34 GMT
I was impressed by Savage on United's pre-season tour. Very surprised that he didn't get a loan, looked ready for one. Needs one tbh, as it's not a good look to get to 20 without any consistent senior minutes. Even a stint in League Two from January onwards would be a good idea
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Post by rushy on Dec 6, 2022 18:00:24 GMT
Watching and listening to "Ash" on the beeb I can see how much of a leader he was for us and how much we miss that leadership now, I hope he gets involved in the future as he definitely has manager qualities for me.
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 6, 2022 21:51:07 GMT
I was impressed by Savage on United's pre-season tour. Very surprised that he didn't get a loan, looked ready for one. Needs one tbh, as it's not a good look to get to 20 without any consistent senior minutes. Even a stint in League Two from January onwards would be a good idea I think preseason is more the balls in the court of the ones who show up with the best fitness. There's been some random selections in the club friendlies in the World Cup break. |
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Post by talyfan on Dec 7, 2022 9:15:22 GMT
Thinking about the team going forward and on my reflection I don't foresee wholesale changes. Myself included suggesting different names but don't think we will or now to think of it should.
Hennessey
Ward
Davies*
Neco
Roberts
Rodon
Mepham
Davies
Lockyer
Cabango
RND
Allen
Ramsey
Ampadu
Morrell
Colwill*
Levitt*
Johnson
Wilson
James
Bale
Moore
Harris*
(* Denotes that could be included could be dropped but more than likely included unless young promising players come out of the wilderness)
I feel are virtually nailed on for the next round of fixtures barring any injuries and we probably shouldn't touch.
That leaves out from the World Cup selection
Jonny (who I'd still include personally but can see why)
Gunter (RND is his replacement)
Sorba
Smith
So realistically thats 3 players but even then do we need to exceed 23 for the next round of fixtures?
So there's maybe six changes maximum. But the standard has to be better than the starting players or their potential exceeds the ceiling of those ahead of him.
Goalkeepers - stays the same at the moment virtually nobody coming through. Maybe a young goalkeeper for Davies but that's unlikely.
Defence - Don't foresee any changes for this that backline will not get altered unless a promising player emerges playing regularly in a top division. Scope of a left footed wingback potentially but again nobody immediately coming through other than maybe Owen Beck but we're not desperate either.
Central Midfield - Probably the only area of the park where might see some changes. Only see Jordan James being included in replacement of Matt Smith or if the squad is less than 26 maybe Levitt/Colwill.
Strikers/Wide Players - Looking at it it's really hard to see where the attacking players likes of Ollie Cooper, Ryan Hedges etc. would get in the squad with players ahead of them in the premier league. Mark Harris is the benchmark realistically the only one they can displace.
Think the most important thing now is for Page to commit to style, principles of play with the best players we've got at our disposal. Which I think is tougher than we think
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Post by paj on Dec 7, 2022 12:41:51 GMT
Can’t disagree with much of the above except to say that L Harries; J James and O Cooper will be brought into the squad if fit/available. We must not forget Brooks or Matondo either.
While that makes a large squad on paper we all know that we will lose a few to injury along the way.
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Post by kb4b50 on Dec 7, 2022 18:14:15 GMT
Would we still include Hennesey, Ramsey and Bale if the are not playing regularly for their respective clubs next year. Great servants and fantastic players, but we have to move on at some point. Time to introduce some of the youngsters in my opinion.
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Post by insertname on Dec 7, 2022 20:46:34 GMT
Was interested to see how Savage did against Cadiz in a friendly. Came on at half time and not much said apart from that United’s current batch of youth aren’t that great. The only comment about Savage was: “Savage has a lovely passing and shooting technique but not a modern footballer at all. Can't deal with the tempo, not press resistent and slow (generally)”. Clearly needs a loan at this point to start getting some games lower down the pyramid. Sink or swim.
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Post by talyfan on Jan 4, 2023 16:51:13 GMT
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Post by redwallnews on Jan 4, 2023 17:21:19 GMT
Tony Strudwick also gone.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jan 4, 2023 17:21:39 GMT
Looks like Symons wasn’t expecting that. Page said they would be staying on but obviously someone’s decided to give him the boot. Can’t say I’m unhappy myself
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Post by garynysmon on Jan 4, 2023 18:10:01 GMT
I wonder if they have someone in mind? To be fair something had to change.
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Post by hooky on Jan 4, 2023 18:12:06 GMT
There was also a reference that these changes were part of a cost cutting exercise. That sounds a bit concerning! How much of the world cup windfall did the players and training staff take?
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Post by dai on Jan 4, 2023 18:57:21 GMT
Good grief, I said after our exit that we needed someone fresh instead of Strudwick or jobs for the boys Symons. Didn't expect both to go.
'The departures are the latest from the Football Association of Wales with more than 20 key staff leaving in recent months.'
This is worrying though. What the hell is going on? We should be doing well financially after three tournaments and increases in ticket sales and price.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 4, 2023 19:14:38 GMT
Maybe when they bought in Giggs and his staff it was slightly inflated wages and we've not deemed it worth the money? I can't see Page being able to negotiate the salaries Giggs could have for his staff but could be wrong. Interesting who we'd go for as a number 2.
I can see why we sacked the fitness coach after watching us lumber around Qatar. If he was giving the green light for some of them to play we could be better off with a PE teacher on £30,000 a year. I'm guessing Page would have been gone if it wasn't for the new contract.
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Post by jimexotic on Jan 4, 2023 19:37:32 GMT
I'm glad Symons has gone, I'd love Bellamy to come in and really shake things up but it's never going to happen
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Post by captainhaddock on Jan 4, 2023 19:56:24 GMT
paying gigss as well as page during covid can't of helped the finances
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Post by quetzal on Jan 4, 2023 20:03:18 GMT
Good grief, I said after our exit that we needed someone fresh instead of Strudwick or jobs for the boys Symons. Didn't expect both to go. 'The departures are the latest from the Football Association of Wales with more than 20 key staff leaving in recent months.' This is worrying though. What the hell is going on? We should be doing well financially after three tournaments and increases in ticket sales and price. Not really worrying. A lot of them might be Jonathan Ford people. Noel Mooney will have his own ideas. |
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Post by hooky on Jan 4, 2023 20:20:31 GMT
Taking a positive spin - maybe this is Noel Mooney being ruthless to get the best value for Welsh football.
Yes we are stuck with Page for at least 2 years - so we need to ensure we get a strong #2 in there to compensate for his tactical weaknesses and to be there if Page gets pushed from the stage.
Who decided to employ Symons (and the other ex central defender) anyway? Was that Page's call or the WFA's?
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Post by surge on Jan 4, 2023 20:20:35 GMT
Not going to pretend I know enough of what Symons does or how well he does it although he does appear popular in Wales and Fulham offices. Suggestions of cost cutting is slightly worrying, but there really did need a freshen up of tactical ideas after World Cup.
We went from being seen as really good set-up tactically under Osian Roberts and Albert Stuivenberg to less than this in most recent tournament. Alan Knill was rated highly when Sheffield United were flying up the leagues and despite Wilder/Knill found things a bit more difficult at Middlesbrough he probably deserves more time.
Money and size of role is always going to be issue though. Ryan Giggs, for all his faults, was a draw to bring in high profile of staff which Page probably doesn't have. It's the latest really, really important role to try and get right.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 4, 2023 22:39:10 GMT
Osian back in as number 2, and lure him in by promising him the number 1 position when Page finishes
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Post by captainhaddock on Jan 4, 2023 23:44:26 GMT
cant see it being cost cutting as FAW has 14 million in the bank, people slating Symons should remember this was his third stint as assistant so he must of been doing something right as he has been involved during our most successful times
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Post by iot on Jan 5, 2023 1:06:36 GMT
14m in the bank, where have you seen that? Think I read that, unless you qualify from the group stages, any income generated from qualifying for major tournaments is generally cancelled out by the costs associated with it. Think I read it about the last couple of euros, but might be true for this WC too
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Post by aberbeeg on Jan 5, 2023 9:38:32 GMT
Maybe slightly unfair but I’ve always associated Symons with failure tbh. sacked at Fulham,sacked at that Greek club, now sacked from FAW. I’m glad he’s had the boot based on the shambles at the WC.
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Post by captainhaddock on Jan 5, 2023 22:57:14 GMT
14m in the bank, where have you seen that? Think I read that, unless you qualify from the group stages, any income generated from qualifying for major tournaments is generally cancelled out by the costs associated with it. Think I read it about the last couple of euros, but might be true for this WC too its on the FAW website in the accounts update, not sure why they hold such large reserves it gives some good info on finances, 4 million is being invested into grass roots football by june this year |
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Post by rushy on Jan 6, 2023 19:21:33 GMT
Can't wait to see what the WC exploits brought in financially.
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Post by hooky on Jan 15, 2023 0:40:16 GMT
Looks a bit small physically, but to be fair, Ollie Cooper seems to have fantastic technique. His touch which got their player sent off (could have broken his leg!) was sublime and that volleyed goal was top class. He seems to have football intelligence. His development this season has certainly been encouraging - hope he continues the upwards curve
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Post by surge on Feb 23, 2023 10:08:47 GMT
DS posted this in Paul Mullin thread regarding our next fixtures being 25th and 28th of March:
"Players as per normal are told roughly during the 1st week of March for matches played in that month. Would expect the squad to be announced during the week Monday 13th March as the squad would due to meet up on 19/3/2023"
Any hint of news on assistant manager? Coleman Had a Dream podcast discuss this from 16:45 (spotify version at least) into their latest pod.
(obvious caveats that it's more important to get decision right than getting announcement out, that Croatia away unlikely to be significant in outcome of group and assistant manager probably doesn't become active until 19/03/23 anyway).
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